At least one Democrat gets it on health bill costs

From the Senate Republicans’ Web site:

SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-MT): “Just for a second — health care reform, whether you use a ten-year number or when you start in 2010 or start in 2014, wherever you start at, so it is still either $1 trillion or it’s $2.5 Trillion, depending on where you start…” (Sen. Baucus, Floor Remarks, 12/2/09)

This is, of course, what opponents of the various Democratic bills have been pointing out all along: Starting the new taxes a few years before the benefits begin is the only way these bills get a cost estimate of “just” $1 trillion.

Via the Weekly Standard, here’s a chart that illustrates what Baucus was talking about:

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29 comments Add your comment

David Axelfraud

December 2nd, 2009
4:08 pm

Linda

December 2nd, 2009
4:32 pm

Kyle, the health care bill requires the states to enroll anyone who earns less than 133% of the poverty level in their Medicaid programs. The national average poverty level is currently $22,000 per yr for a family of 4, which means any family that size that makes less than $29,000 would need to be enrolled. The fed govt. pays for the 1st 3 yrs., but in ‘16, the 4th yr., the average state would be required to pay 10% of the extra cost.
There’s only 39 states who won’t be affected. The states that will be the most affected are: Texas with $2.8 B, Penn. with $1.5B. CA with $1.4 B & FL with $909 M. It will cost GA $500 M.
Do the figures above include or exclude the costs of the states? (Do they include the $300 M Sen. Landrieu was paid for her vote & the other Senators whose votes are for sale?)
What will be the REAL cost of the health care bill?

Jess

December 2nd, 2009
4:39 pm

Even Clark Howard, who tries very hard to be optimistic, said today that the unfunded liabilities which this country is adding make him feel for the first time in his life that we could be in real trouble.

Peter

December 2nd, 2009
4:39 pm

Yes David more real in site from your mind !

Linda

December 2nd, 2009
4:45 pm

Peter, there’s someone cutting down 500 acres of trees (deforesting) on I-285. If you don’t believe me, go check it out for yourself. Just go to 285 & take a left or a right, doesn’t matter which way, & you can’t miss it, but if you do miss it, you will see it the next time you come around. Just keep looking.

David Axelfraud

December 2nd, 2009
4:50 pm

Peter, what is in site?

David Axelfraud

December 2nd, 2009
4:52 pm

Peter failed third grade Engwish. “What, me fail Engwish, that’s umpossible!” -Ralph Wiggum aka Peter

David Axelfraud

December 2nd, 2009
5:00 pm

George Orwell said the quickest way to end a war is to lose it. But Obama’s half-hearted embrace of a half-baked nonstrategy — briefly feinting toward the Taliban (or al-Qaeda, or a “syndicate of terror”) while lunging for the exit ramp — makes a protracted loss probable.

-George Will on President Acorn and his idiotic timetable.

Jefferson

December 2nd, 2009
5:02 pm

You can raise taxes on people who have money, but you can’t tax those who have none.

Jess

December 2nd, 2009
5:20 pm

And let’s not forget, these numbers assume $500 billion reduction in Medicare cost. I have heard very few people who think this is doable.

David Axelfraud

December 2nd, 2009
5:32 pm

Cringing Over Climategate

A major scandal was exposed. So why won’t Obama acknowledge it?

“Science and scientific process must inform and guide decisions of my administration on a wide range of issues, including … mitigation of climate change,” President Barack Obama declared in a not-so-subtle dig at his predecessor soon after assuming office. “The public must be able to trust the science and scientific process. Public officials should not suppress or alter scientific technological findings.”

http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/01/climategate-scandal-science-obama-opinions-columnists-shikha-dalmia.html

Linda

December 2nd, 2009
5:41 pm

What’s going to happen to any of these programs when the Dems learn that rich people don’t pay taxes? That’s why rich/wealthy people are rich/wealthy. They pay the best accountants, rather than the IRS. They build hospital wings & fund universities rather than pay taxes & liberals still loathe them. They don’t receive “salaries.”

Jefferson

December 2nd, 2009
5:59 pm

When they close the loopholes and tax their wealth (maybe even mine) there is some funding. When they take the profits from the insurance companies, there’s some funding. You gotta go fishing where there are fish, if you are going to catch some. Sounds like there are winners and losers, just like life. Why the regime change, somebody must have been doing a crummy job.

Skip

December 2nd, 2009
6:00 pm

We can’t afford health care but we can afford wars of choice. What have we become? And don’t waste my time with the ‘We fight them there so we don’t have to fight here” If anyone really wants to come here they just walk on in.

Linda

December 2nd, 2009
6:18 pm

Jefferson, Dems throw out fish. Reps teach how to fish.

Linda

December 2nd, 2009
6:19 pm

Skip, Have you ever noticed that the economic stimulus bill & the wars cost the same amt of money?

GW

December 2nd, 2009
6:21 pm

I like them colors on that map reminds me of me freedoms..

Linda

December 2nd, 2009
6:21 pm

Skip, & the same as out debt to China?

Linda

December 2nd, 2009
6:23 pm

GW, Kiss your freedoms goodbye.

GW

December 2nd, 2009
6:38 pm

Linda your existence is the best argument against evolution to date…

GW

December 2nd, 2009
6:39 pm

Where’s Duke-Fraud, must be out molesting the neighbor’s collie again…

David Axelfraud

December 2nd, 2009
6:41 pm

Kyle, can you get rid of GW’s moronic comment about molesting dogs?

David Axelfraud

December 2nd, 2009
6:42 pm

GW aka Churchill’s mom, thought you were in Bookman heaven?

David Axelfraud

December 2nd, 2009
6:43 pm

GW aka Churchill’s mom, hypocritical of you to say that I throw out childish insults when yours takes the cake for immaturity. Peta hates you.

Linda

December 2nd, 2009
8:02 pm

GW, I see that you have read that liberal self-help book that teaches if you can’t dispute the facts, attack the messenger. What “them colors on that map reminds” you “of me freedoms?” Why is my existence (& freedom of speech) making you so paranoid? What are you afraid of? GW, I did not evolve. I was created by God & so were you. May God bless you.

Peter

December 2nd, 2009
10:31 pm

Hey Linda have you been paying attention….lots of the stimulus money is getting paid back.

And they are making money as they collect the debt.

NEW YORK – Bank of America Corp. said Wednesday it plans to repay its $45 billion in government bailout funds in the next few days, a move that will help the troubled bank recruit a new CEO.

As of Oct. 31, nearly 50 financial companies returned a total of $72.3 billion in bailout money. Other big banks, including Goldman Sachs Group Inc., JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Morgan Stanley, repaid their bailout funds after they were given permission to do so by the government in June.

Treasury also made $6.79 billion in dividends from the TARP money and $2.90 billion selling warrants.

TaxPayer

December 2nd, 2009
10:59 pm

Something I’ve yet to figure out is why, during the Republican’s years of domination of Congress and the White House, the GOP couldn’t figure out how to do anything of value for the taxpayer and yet, now that they are the party of losers, they claim to know it all. Now, were you trying to actually make a point, Kyle. Or, it this just more of the same. I’m leaning toward the latter.

Operation Arclight

December 3rd, 2009
11:15 am

Hey Peter, you need to pay closer attention. You listed TARP recipients not stimulus. We aren’t going to get back any of the money thrown away on Porkulus. Did you hear that CITI loaned 8 billion of bailout money to Dubai? You must be pretty happy about that?

Peter

December 3rd, 2009
2:34 pm

Hey Operation Arclight..Hello Please read again !

NEW YORK – Bank of America Corp. said Wednesday it plans to repay its $45 billion in government bailout funds in the next few days, a move that will help the troubled bank recruit a new CEO.

As of Oct. 31, nearly 50 financial companies returned a total of $72.3 billion in bailout money. Other big banks, including Goldman Sachs Group Inc., JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Morgan Stanley, repaid their bailout funds after they were given permission to do so by the government in June.