The politics of ‘trust us’ is wearing thin

Andrew

November 27th, 2009
7:38 pm

Testimony of Richard C. Levin
President, Yale University
Committee on the Environment and Public Works
April 3, 2008

“The Panel concluded that, in the absence of corrective measures, global temperatures are likely to rise between 1 and 6 degrees centigrade by the
end of this century, with the best estimates ranging between 2 and 4 degrees.”

Actually Richard, your a bit high but very close, but I think it will be about 1.95 degrees (2.6 * 0.75);

The human contribution to global warming:

—

valadj=[0.,0.,0.,0.,0.,-0.1,-0.25,-0.3,0.,-0.1,0.3,0.8,1.2,1.7,2.5,2.6,2.6,2.6,2.6,2.6]*0.75 ; fudge factor

yearlyadj=interpol(valadj,yrloc,x)

densall=densall+yearlyadj

—
That code is from the IDL program:

FOI2009/FOIA/documents/harris/tree/briffa_sep98_e.pro

Those numbers where typed in by a human to adjust the results of the data.
They are not from the data.

Those number may be the cause of human induced global warming.

Peter

November 27th, 2009
8:14 pm

I agree Kyle the last time we trusted, we got a WAR, bailout the Rich, and now listen to you about pollution is OK.

Mike O'Brien

November 27th, 2009
8:57 pm

“Trust us” is wearing thin–fair enough, so how about quoting the emails that you have characterized as demonstrating a plot among scientists? Why should we trust your interpretation?

JohnnyReb

November 27th, 2009
9:30 pm

Kyle, thanks for having the fortitude to state what your employer will not. The global warming scam is a huge story, but so politically charged those weak in the knees are not yet touching it. To do so would point out another failure of the Obama administration – he is ignoring the story and proceeding as if it does not exist. Sadly, if a pop idol is drunk in public, the people, AJC, and major media can’t quit talking about it. But when a socialist scheme to take America’s wealth is exposed (and have no doubt that is exactly what the global warming scheme is), too many pay it little attention and the AJC finds it politically correct to ignore.

erik simpson

November 27th, 2009
10:58 pm

http://www.eastangliaemails.com/search.php

Read ‘em and think…

Ken Cruce

November 28th, 2009
12:07 am

I don’t pretend to understand the science of climate change. But, I am interested in the politics of how climate science is applied to influence governmental policy. Further, the mass media spin on the release of emails and code from East Anglia could serve as a case study on what not to do to convince the public that a problem looms.

From the outset, it did not make sense to me that the distribution of these files was the result of a hack. The emails and code samples pointed to the likelihood that it was an internal whistleblower who had released the files. So, there was no theft of files, no hack, but rather someone on the inside at East Anglia University who believed strongly that the world should know more about what the academics were talking about.

Then, clicking on some links, I saw another explanation which seems even more likely. Steve Milloy, publisher of JunkScience.com, says it has become fairly obvious this archive was not “hacked” or “stolen” but rather is a file assembled by CRU staff in preparation for complying with a freedom of information request. Whether it was carelessly left in a publicly accessible portion of the CRU computer system or was “leaked” by staff believing the FOIA request was improperly rejected may never be known but is not really that important.

Milloy says:

– There was no “security breach” at CRU that “stole” these files
– The files appear genuine and to have been prepared by CRU staff, not edited by malicious hackers
– The information was accidentally or deliberately released by CRU staff
– Selection criteria appears to be compliance with an or several FOIA request(s)

Most of the blogger comment on this issue has focused on the emails. I believe there is more potential to prove a scandal in the documents containing the code used by the proponents of global warming. For example, here’s something I noticed in a random view of one of the climate analysis programs:

yrloc=[1400,findgen(19)*5.+190 4]

valadj=[0.,0.,0.,0.,0.,-0.1,-0 .25,-0.3,0.,-0.1,0.3,0.8,1.2,1 .7,2.5,2.6,2.6,2.6,2.6,2.6]*0. 75 ; fudge factor

Look at that ! The programmer actually calls it a “fudge factor”.

Bondservant1958

November 28th, 2009
3:01 am

For most of this week I like most minded people have been completely absorbed by the revelations coming from the e-mails from the Climate Research Unit at The University of East Anglia. Given the lack of reporting from the “trusted” alphabet soup of news organizations, ABC,CBS,CNN,BBC we have ourselves read the e-mails and inspected the notes in the code. My understanding is that the CRU headed by Dr Jones supplied the data in their possession to the United Nations IPCC to support the UN goal of implementing Cap and Trade legislation on the whole world in order to combat a man made contribution to the destruction of the world. A “if we do not act quickly there is no hope scenario” much like the financial bailouts No Time to Think Trust Us This is TOO BIG TO FAIL! Trust is what the e-mails from the CRU speak to and manifest. How can I trust the data used to create the theory that Global Warming was man made and not influenced more by an object 93 million miles away that constitutes 99% of the mass of the solar system and in which we live, in its “atmospheric influence”, recognizing that it only takes 8 min for the warm to reach us. All we ever asked for was Show Us the Math!, well we have seen the math and we have seen collusion, and we have seen stifling of criticism or inspection, and we have seen the trick of adding real temps where your code fails so that anyone else that has records from 1961 on cannot refute your algorithm, and we have seen willful and criminal misuse of US taxpayers money (Roger’s missed trip and all the stuff you did not buy that US hardworking and suffering taxpayers paid for through the NOAA), and we have seen the deliberate destruction of evidence in the face of Freedom of Information Act requests. I am more concerned about what we have not seen. I have not seen or heard a peep from Al Gore. I still see the President of the United States prepared to agree to putting a greater burden on the US taxpayer in the now unfounded belief that somehow man was responsible for this last period of warming that certainly ended more than 10YEARS AGO! Hide the decline my great-mother! I as a law abiding tax paying citizen of the United States Demand a Federal Investigation of this matter Climategate!

John A. Jauregui

November 28th, 2009
3:21 am

Stop bitching, take responsibility and take action. Stop all donations to the political party(s) responsible for this fraud. Stop donations to all environmental groups which funded this Global Warming propaganda campaign with our money, especially The Environmental Defense Fund. Write your state and federal representatives demanding wall to wall investigations of government sponsored funding and coordination of this and related propaganda campaigns and demand indictments of those responsible. Write your state and federal Attorneys General demanding Al Gore and others conducting Global Warming/Climate Change racketeering and mail fraud operations be brought to justice, indicted, tried, convicted and jailed. That’s what I have done in response to this outrageous violation of the public trust. Think of the consequences if you do nothing!

Pedro

November 28th, 2009
4:16 am

- NASA’s Latest Discovery: SUN HEATS THE EARTH (American Thincker, June 05, 2009) – Robert Calahan at NASA’s Goddard Space Center could be in big trouble — for telling the truth. Here is a headline for an article in the Daily Tech: “NASA Study Acknowledges Solar Cycle, Not Man, Responsible for Past Warming”… World’s Largest Science Group Rejecting Man-Made Climate Fears…
- Pentagon/NASA: Global Warming/Global Cooling… THE PENTAGON WARNS CLIMATE CHANGE WILL BRING GLOBAL CATASTROPHE… Now the Pentagon tells Bush (Guardian.co.uk., 22 February 2004): climate change will destroy us… Britain will be ‘Siberian’ in less than 20 years… Al Gore Sued By Over 30,000 Scientists For Global Warming Fraud:
http://cristiannegureanu.blogspot.com/2009/11/al-gore-sued-by-over-30000-scientists.html

Joel Edge

November 28th, 2009
6:29 am

To bad something like this didn’t happen during the secondhand smoke debate. The science behind that was rigged to get the correct answer. The panic and stupidity of the general public never ceases to amaze.

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November 28th, 2009
6:49 am

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Churchill's MOM

November 28th, 2009
6:50 am

I am tired of the same stuff every day. Let’s write about women trying to fix the broken system.. The NYT has Jenny Sanford in today’s paper, now this is what I call good reading.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/28/us/politics/28jenny.html?hp

DUKE FRAUD

November 28th, 2009
6:59 am

Obama has scored a major victory by getting China and Russia to vote for a resolution against Iran. The Bush boy failed but Obana was sucrssful.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/27/AR2009112700892.html

Ga Values

November 28th, 2009
8:18 am

Let’s talk locally on Cap & Trade. How are our 2 Socialist/RINO Senators going to vote. The current Cap & Trade is full of ETHANOL Subsidies, Saxby’s Son is a LOBBYIST for the ETHANOL industry. Saxby has voted for his for his son’s ETHANOL interest against the interest of Georgia. Ask the Chicken Industry what Saxby’s higher grain prices has done to them. Now the really bad news, Senator Johnny Isakson has a history of being led around by Saxby. They voted for TARP, to override Bush’s VETO of Saxby’s farm bill, and most other matters.

REAL CONSERVATIVES need to write these 2 RINOs with a request that they vote for GEORGIA not ETHANOL.

Joel Edge

November 28th, 2009
8:58 am

Good article, Kyle. Apparently there is declining coverage on this. It’s certainly got the last few commenters fired up. I’m waiting on the groundswell from the eco-nuts about favoring more nuke plants. You know, reduce greenhouse gases, save the planet, do it for the children..etc.

jconservative

November 28th, 2009
9:24 am

“…it doesn’t matter whether big government is intentionally deceptive or just incompetent. The result is the same: We just can’t trust it.”

I believe history proves that no matter how well intentioned government is, it is always incompetent. Looking at recent history, Iraq, Katrina, Afghanistan, TARP and even that saintly institution Medicare,
is all the proof anyone should need that government is incompetent.

But people keep hanging on to government & looking to find new roles for government to play in our lives. Step back, take a cold hard look at both the Republican & Democratic agendas, and you will find new reasons for more government intervention in the lives of citizens. And I emphasize “government intervention”.

TGT

November 28th, 2009
9:27 am

On March 9, Obama lifted the ban on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. He also noted that he was furthermore issuing “a Presidential Memorandum directing the head of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy to develop a strategy for restoring scientific integrity to government decision-making to ensure that in this new administration, we base our public policies on the soundest science; that we appoint scientific advisors based on their credentials and experience, not their politics or ideology.” The implication, of course, as Charles Krauthhammer pointed out, is that “while Obama is guided solely by science, Bush was driven by dogma, ideology and politics.”

I suppose we’ll now see how dedicated Obama and his administration are to “sound science,” or at least what they view as “sound science.” Surely they won’t allow themselves to be driven by “dogma, ideology, and politics” on matters that are so important to our economy.

Good column here: Science doesn’t say anything, Scientists do.

Kevin

November 28th, 2009
9:55 am

Those of you who don’t think there is a larger power/financial grab going on– all wrapped around the global warming concept– are completely naive.

Road Scholar

November 28th, 2009
10:01 am

“The politics of “trust us” is wearing thin.”

After the Shrub administration, it’s about time you notice! But what if we don’t address polution, which is the basis of the global warming claims. Asthma claims are up for children. And why? Polution! More people are getting lung cancer; many have never smoked or handled hazardous materials. And why? Polution! Just look at our rivers and streams. The past floods this year has left a visual record of our society; look at the bushes and trees along our rivers. Trash hanging at the high water mark. Why? Polution!

And what happens if we do nothing? More polution! More sickness. And perhaps more global warming. What if the naysayers are wrong? How much is enough to not tilt the nature’s balance? How much is enough that the ill effects can be reversed?

Even if we drill for oil in the US or other friendly nations, we can not produce enough oil to satify a major portion of our needs. So we ‘ll continue to send our money and troops to countries that do not like us and want to destroy us. When is enough? When they own us or take us over? When will we limit the polution?

Change is hard. We need to limit our exposure . So, great consevative ones, how do we do it? Stick our head in the ground? Beat your chest and drive your energy inefficient vehicles? What happens when the world population increases? when these growing countries implement a “US” driven way of life?

PS THWG!

Oh, by the way, the GDOT spends $15 M a year to pick up litter from the PIGS that inhabit this state. You should be pissed that we have to spend this much. You rail about the how government wastes funds. well folks this is one your backs. And how do you propose to stop, or at least limit, polution?

Repukes and DummyCrats are ALL Scum

November 28th, 2009
10:27 am

U R going ta git another “Trust Me” moment on Tuesday when the Dark Sheep in Chief addresses the Nation about expanding the war of aggression in Afghanistan, and asking us to agree to a big tax increase to pay for it. At 1 million dollars per soldier per year, we cannot afford any troops in Afghanistan. Pull them all out, but keep watch with from above, and on the ground with the human int agents we have surely developed over the last 8 years of bungling incompetence. When the rats come out of hiding, kill them from above, and continue to watch for any replacements. Do you remember the “Domino” theory that gave us the disaster know as the Viet Nam War? Well, the foolish acts of the neocon scum have created a real “domino fall” from Iraq to India and China. The whole area has become politically and militarily unstable due to our actions, and we need to get out and let the locals settle things down. On India’s Northern border, Maoist gorillas have already taken control of a large section of the area, with India planning to send 30,000 troops to reclaim the area. Oh yeah, China supports the rebels, and claims that same area as part of Tibet, and therefore now part of China. What we started in Iraq could very well result in a massive war including nuclear exchanges. Expanding the war in Afghanistan just provides cover for other nations to act across the region. Soon, civil war could rage in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, and India, fed from outside by China and America supplying arms and money to all sides.

Kyle needs a Wedgie

November 28th, 2009
10:27 am

Me too! I much prefer the slogan of “Stay the Course” offered by the three headed draft dodging ensemble of Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld, who used lies and fear to convince the American peeps that a secular Iraq was the bogeyman…

Jess

November 28th, 2009
11:10 am

Road Scholar,

Your point is well taken. Not to many conservatives would be upset with bills aimed at curbing pollution. What irks them is wrapping this problem in the cloak of global warming. The pollution causing the problems you describe on the most part are not co2 related. Cap-and trade is totally co2 related.

If this whole debate were about measures to reduce pollution there would be a lot of support. As long as it’s about global warming it will gain little traction from skeptics.

DebbieDoRight

November 28th, 2009
12:13 pm

Global warming??? What stinking Global Warming? Move along folks, nothing to see here…….

Over 100 icebergs drifting to N.Zealand: official

SYDNEY (AFP) – More than 100, and possibly hundreds, of Antarctic icebergs are floating towards New Zealand in a rare event which has prompted a shipping warning, officials said on Monday.

An Australian Antarctic Division glaciologist said the ice chunks, spotted by satellite photography, had passed the Auckland Islands and were heading towards the main South Island, about 450 kilometres (280 miles) northeast.

Scientist Neal Young said more than 100 icebergs — some measuring more than 200 metres (650 feet) across — were seen in just one cluster, indicating there could be hundreds more.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091123/ts_afp/australianzealandantarcticaclimateiceberg

Walter Cronkite

November 28th, 2009
12:37 pm

The Trust is allowed by a majority kool-aid drinking press corps with exception of a few. The Obama Admin could say the grass is blue and the sky is green and the press would take them at their word (and snub their noses at those “crazy” FOX News guys for disagreeing).

Change we can believe in? Yes We Can?

November 28th, 2009
1:07 pm

Obama has relied on “unprecedented” in more than 90 instances, using the word at least 129 times in everything from major addresses to small speeches, statements, memorandums and proclamations.

Unprecedented loss of popularity in 1 year
Unprecedented lies
Unprecedented smoke and mirrors
Unprecedented Secret Service issues and headaches
Unprecedented corruption
Unprecedented spending
Unprecedented unemployment rate
Unprecedented use of the phrase “shout out” by a politician
Unprecedented cronies
Unprecedented Czars
Unprecedented turkey

Repukes and DummyCrats are ALL Scum

November 28th, 2009
2:55 pm

Trust the Wall Street-K Street Axis of Evil??? I think not. Read this: The US public will be “outraged” by Citibank’s $8 billion loan to Dubai just six weeks after the bank was bailed out, US House of Representatives domestic policy subcommittee chair-man has said. Dennis Kucinich commented on the Dubai loan and other US banking investments as a congressional panel released a report that strongly questioned Citibank’s actions. The report, shown to 7DAYS, cites the Dubai loan as the largest of the “questionable transactions” by banks after the US government bailed them out. It notes that the loan to Dubai’s public sector came on December 14, just six weeks after the US government gave Citibank a $25 billion bail-out.”

Hard Right Hook

November 28th, 2009
3:03 pm

Now we can safely conclude that Al Gore and his $100 million dollar net worth are truly the result of a duplicitous scam.

Is anyone as shocked as I am?

Sunshine and Thunder

November 28th, 2009
5:22 pm

Is anyone here truly surprised by this? The lack of objective reporting by the MSM on this topic has been scandalous. Liberal editorial boards, broadcast news organizations and inner city newspapers have taken the postition that those who would deny global warming are no better than Holocost deniers. Welcome to the repeat of the Salem witch trials and the eugenics mania. I’m glad this will go down in history right beside those two frauds.

NeverTrustARepublican

November 28th, 2009
5:50 pm

‘(A)pparent attempts to manipulate climate data to fit their narrative of an ever warming planet’. How Foxian, Kyle. ‘Some say’ (Fox says), ‘apparent’ (to Kyle and his band of ‘Chemistry for Non-Science Majors’ alums). See username.

‘Yet this episode obliterates the public credibility once enjoyed by these scientists.’ Really Kyle? So to this point you and your band of ‘Chemistry for Non-Science Majors’ alums (trademark pending) found their work credible or is this more Fox speak (’ the public, and by public we mean, well, us, blah, blah, blah).? How disingenuous.

‘(H)opes of drafting a climate-change treaty that would regulate trillions of dollars worth of global commerce…..The only responsible option is to postpone the Copenhagen agenda while this new information is digested’ Ah, now he shows his cards. Create a controversy in an issue that you’re sure the public doesn’t understand and delay, delay, delay. Typical shortsighted Republican.

Again, find something about which you are qualified to comment We’ll wait.

Linda

November 28th, 2009
5:53 pm

I’m amazed at how gullible we are.
People who buy organic foods, brown eggs & free-range chickens & who think they can loose weight without calorie reduction are the same people who buy into hoaxes such as global warming.
I hope that Americans will learn from this experience. We need to wise up & never stop asking what, who, where & why.

NeverTrustARepublican

November 28th, 2009
5:57 pm

Um, Linda, is it your understanding that buying free-range and organic is for weight loss?

John Q. Public

November 28th, 2009
6:00 pm

Climategate

Let’s see:

a) subverting the peer review process
b) stacking the UN IPCC
c) obstruction of the Freedom on Information Act
d) breach of university and state ethics codes

… and we haven’t even talked about the data yet.

Climate Science – the new Ponzi scheme!

p.s. – Is this what Science is all about?
p.p.s. – Who needs Wall Street when you have Science?

Angela

November 28th, 2009
6:08 pm

Andrew – the first commentator to this editorial – Brilliant! You definitively proved that these scientists created global warming by cooking the books.

Linda

November 28th, 2009
6:23 pm

Never Trust, No, I don’t. I think buying free-range & organic & trying to loose weight without calorie reduction are further examples of how Americans are gullible.

NeverTrustARepublican

November 28th, 2009
6:37 pm

Linda, why is buying food with less additives an example of gullibility?

Lose. One loses weight.

Linda

November 28th, 2009
7:37 pm

Never Trust, when is buying food with bugs & e-coli healthy?
There’s nothing wrong with buying organic foods. Organic foods generally cost more than conventional foods. Americans are free to choose, as of now.
Most people who buy organic foods incorrectly think they are better for the environment, don’t use pesticides, are healthier, have more nutrients, are sustainable & are gaining in popularity & incorrectly think that pesticides in conventional foods are dangerous.
My point is that we buy into ideology without question.

NeverTrustARepublican

November 28th, 2009
7:47 pm

Well, by definition organic foods aren’t produced with the use of pesticides and contrary to what you thing the ingestion of pesticides is unhealthy. Their overuse is also detrimental to streams and groundwater. In fact agricultural runoff laden with pesticides, fertilizer, fungicides, etc. is one of the major sources of surface water contamination. And, who says organic foods have more nutrients?

Linda

November 28th, 2009
8:09 pm

Never Trust, you prove my point. Organic foods DO use pesticides. Pesticides used by conventional farming are healthy & those used by either are environmentally friendly.
Some people who buy organic foods incorrectly think they have more nutrients.
Know what you’re buying & for what reason. Don’t just trust advertising, what you hear & perceive to be correct. Do your own research.

NeverTrustARepublican

November 28th, 2009
8:19 pm

Linda, again, by definition, organic produce is grown without, that’s without the use of pesticides. Kind of the point. Pesticides are environmentally friendly? Are you seriously contending that pesticide ingestion is healthy and pose no environmental threat? Do the research? I’m a Hydrogeologist and I’ve been in the environmental assessment and remediation arena for 15 years. I live and breath the research. Ask an environmental toxicologist. Hell, ask you personal physician.

‘Some people who buy organic foods incorrectly think they have more nutrients.’ Some people apparently think a lot of silly things.

NeverTrustARepublican

November 28th, 2009
8:28 pm

Linda, by the way, pesticides don’t protect against e-coli. E-coli is a bacterium that gets in the food chain from the application of fertilizers. Bugs reduce farm yield which is the justification for pesticides and the reason true organic produce is more expensive.

Linda

November 28th, 2009
8:41 pm

Never Trust, organic foods in the grocery store are not by definition those grown without the use of pesticides. Many pesticides used by both organic & conventional farming are environmentally safe. We’ve come a long way.
I have a Bachelor of Science Degree from one of the largest universities in the southeastern US with a concentration in nutrition & have worked for over 35 years as a certified specialist in my field.
My original point, again, is that many Americans are gullible. If you, a hydrogeologist, have been paying top dollar for organic foods, thinking they were better in any way to conventionally-grown foods, have been suckered. You are the one who is in need of research.

Linda

November 28th, 2009
8:50 pm

Never Trust, Organic foods make up about 1% of our diet but account for 8% of the confirmed e-coli cases.

Michael H. Smith

November 28th, 2009
8:51 pm

Never trust a Democrat either:

Particularly, Al Gore!

NeverTrustARepublican

November 28th, 2009
8:57 pm

So don’t buy what’s in the grocery store (now who’s being duped by advertising-a symptom of an unregulated industry is that they can label thing any way they choose). I’m not sure what large SE university told you that pesticides are environmentally safe but I’d request a tuition refund. Perhaps 35 years later they’ve given up that Big Ag Co. funding; I’d suggest grad school.

Not Going To Use My Usual Name

November 28th, 2009
9:04 pm

I’ll care a lot more about the hacked e-mails when the oil companies release all their e-mails related to the same topic. Hmmm… It’s ugly, I’ll give you that–but I’d bet my eye teeth that the other side is twelve times uglier.

The polar ice caps are melting, folks. The largest single block of ice in the Arctic had been around an estimated 3,000 years. In 2000, it began to crack. Within two years, it had split entirely, and it continues to break into pieces.

Want to debate? Fine, fiddle while the ice melts. Truth is, the scientists working in THIS field overwhelmingly understand that the evidence points to some serious future problems. For instance, the spruce bark beetle is breeding faster in the warmer weather. “Oh, a bug breeds faster–I’m so scared,” you sneer. Sneer away, but from 1993 to 2003, the bugs decimated 3.4 million acres of Alaskan forest.

Yes, scientists are frustrated and a few of them were out of line. But here’s the thing. Whether or not you believe humans are responsible for this, it *is* happening, and humans are going to bear the brunt of it. Why would we be so stupid as to ignore it, to even exacerbate the problem?

But I’m singing to the deaf here. Y’all probably believe that the Earth is 4,000 years old, too, and was created in six days–even though the order of that creation differs in Genesis 1 from Genesis 2. You’ll find a way to explain that little discrepancy away, just as you’ll find a way to ignore what’s happening in the Arctic.

Shame, shame, shame. Y’all keep on listening to the bleating of Hannity and Limbaugh and Boortz and the other climate-change skeptical conservatives. They’ll keep making money promoting ostrich-like behavior. “If it doesn’t affect ME, and if it doesn’t affect me right NOW, then it doesn’t exist–la la la la la. And you’d better not affect ME by trying to fix it.”

Michael H. Smith

November 28th, 2009
9:29 pm

The Earth’s magnetic field is reserving. The moon is leaving Earth’s orbit and the rotation of the Earth is slowing down. On top of that the earth changes its’ tilt over time; and if all that were not enough there is still that pesky old yellowish blazing ball called the Sun which has a strange yet staggering effect on global climate change.

Don’t fret, all of these things too are surely human induced. Just give old Al gore a little more time – and a whole lot of our money – to form a few scientific peer review groups to cook-up some “inconvenient” figures.

The Earth has gone through periods of intense global warming and global cooling long before HUMANS existed on this Earth – Like were was Al Gore and these scientific peer review groups then?

Linda

November 28th, 2009
9:32 pm

Never Trust, I never said not to buy what’s in the grocery store. Buy it. Buy it today. It’s your choice & your money. My whole point from the very beginning is just for Americans to understand what they are buying & buying into, from the grocery store to political issues. We, as a nation, are gullible.
I’m very proud of the education I received from one of the largest universities in the SE US. Organic foods were not an issue prior to my graduation. My endeavor to keep abreast of the ongoing scientific research findings regarding foolish decisions & buying habits was naturally instilled in me & my job to root them out.
If you’ve been duped into buying organic foods among other foolish things, such as believing in global warming, for the wrong reasons, don’t take it out on me.
I’m signing off for tonight but will check with you tomorrow.

NeverTrustARepublican

November 28th, 2009
9:36 pm

Linda, apparently reading comprehension wasn’t part of your curriculum. Re-read then re-post….or don’t. I agree with one thing, we are gullible and poorly educated. You’ve done a whale of a job proving your point on that.

Linda

November 28th, 2009
9:50 pm

Not Going, I hear your pain. My heart goes out to you. Would you please do something for me? Would you please do your own research? Would you please use scientists who do not have a vested (political or monetary) interest in global warming? Are you aware that scientists have been boring into the ice caps in Antarctica & Greenland for decades for over 3000 miles? Are you aware there’s a consistent ratio of CO2, dust, temperatures, etc. for hundreds of thousands of yrs.? I look forward to hearing from you tomorrow. We are all in this together.

Linda

November 28th, 2009
9:56 pm

Never Trust, You’ve proved my point again. Evidently you’ve read that self-help book for liberals which states that if you can’t argue with the facts, attack the messenger. May God bless you. Good night.

NeverTrustARepublican

November 28th, 2009
9:58 pm

Linda, what scientist do you have in mind? I’m assuming you have handy a list of totally apolitical researchers, not those funded by industries with a vested interest in the status quo?

NeverTrustARepublican

November 28th, 2009
10:01 pm

Actually Linda I read the book Everything an Aging Republican Nutritionist Knows about Science. Its a pamphlet with lots of cartoons. And what point did I prove?

Let them eat cake

November 28th, 2009
10:01 pm

The solution is obvious, tax cuts for the rich and a pre-emptive war of choice……

Michael H. Smith

November 28th, 2009
10:16 pm

Y’all probably believe that the Earth is 4,000 years old, too, and was created in six days–even though the order of that creation differs in Genesis 1 from Genesis 2.

For all those who don’t know any better lest heresy be allowed to gain a foothold: Genesis 1:1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. “No length of time” was given for the creation period of heaven and earth, which ALL took place in “a timeless” verse one.

Something awesomely evil transpires after heaven and earth were created, as follows in verse 2) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Which is followed by the rest of the creation story, verse 3 onward, as so many know it.

In fact only after God said let there be light in verse 3) did he “create time” or begin keeping time, as in verse 5) And the evening and the morning were the first day.

I do hope Al Gore is better at understanding science than Theology but somehow I doubt it.

NeverTrustARepublican

November 28th, 2009
10:26 pm

Thanks Michael. You just cemented your irrelevance.

Michael H. Smith

November 28th, 2009
10:38 pm

No, I simply, though relevantly, pointed your inaptness on subjects you choose to prove yourself clueless in misleading others, Never Trust a Brucie-crat.

NeverTrustARepublican

November 28th, 2009
10:46 pm

I’d like to respond to that Michael; please re-posted it in English.

Michael H. Smith

November 28th, 2009
10:49 pm

and a pre-emptive war of choice

Or, is that a “Van Jones Truther”?

Crimes against humanity that left about 3,000 dead on 9/11 was a radical Islamic TERRORIST preemptive war that chose us.

Rmoen

November 29th, 2009
12:25 am

The released emails that many now call ‘Climategate’ underscore the need for the United States to convene our own objective, transparent Climate Truth Commission. The Climate Research Unit’s emails show small-minded, embattled thinking that reeks of zealotry, not science. It appears the researchers weren’t beyond drawing conclusions that were relatively or totally unsupported. Two of the authors, Phil Jones and Kevin Trenberth, were the lead authors of one of the most important chapters in the United Nations Fourth Assessment Report. This is no small matter since the EPA, in its recent move to boost regulation of greenhouse gases, based its conclusions on the UN reports.

For twenty years I believed in man-made global warming theory, but the evidence has changed. During that period we’ve had ten years of warming then ten years of little or no warming. I blame my confusion on the United Nations for getting ahead of their facts. When they claimed CO2 drives global warming, I think they were more concerned about politics and funding than science. One only needs to look at their track record: UN forecasts do not fit what actually happened.

- Robert Moen, http://www.energyplanUSA.com

Sunshine and Thunder

November 29th, 2009
1:49 am

Well isn’t that the damndest thing? This “newspaper” finds the space to print a partisan senate report about the failure to capture Bin Laden and how it was Bush’s fault that we didn’t and how that has caused all of the problems since 2001. But at the same time there is no room to report on the climate-gate scandal. Just go figure.

What's wrong here

November 29th, 2009
9:00 am

Republican National Committee identifies ten (10) key public policy positions for the 2010 election cycle, which the Republican National Committee expects its public officials and candidates to support:

(1) We support smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama’s “stimulus” bill;

(2) We support market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run healthcare;

(3) We support market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;

(4) We support workers’ right to secret ballot by opposing card check;

(5) We support legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;

(6) We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;

(7) We support containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat;

(8) We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;

(9) We support protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing, denial of health care and government funding of abortion; and

(10) We support the right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership; and be further

Tug McGroin

November 29th, 2009
9:42 am

(11) We support hate in the name of religious hypocrisy…..

Repukes and DummyCrats are ALL Scum

November 29th, 2009
9:49 am

Regardless of the political infighting, name calling, back stabbing, and outright cheating, the jury is still out on global warming and man’s activities as a causal effect. We know the glaciers are melting, we know the ice sheets are melting, we know the carbon dioxide levels are rising. Correlating the two statistically is one thing, but a correlation does not provide proof. Imposing massive and intrusive government rules that give small minded EPA types power over U and Me is not called for at this point. I picture all EPA types as the clown in Ghost Busters who shut down the containment grid, and in my interactions with the agency, I have found that to be pretty accurate. If U want to a small taste of the future under EPA control of carbon emissions, just try to take a decent shower with an EPA mandated shower head. I curse EPA and all their ilk every time I take a shower in a hotel. At home, I have an old style high flow shower head that the EPA scum cannot touch.

Jess

November 29th, 2009
10:01 am

Seems the only coverage of this subject in the AJC is this article by Kyle. Maybe I missed it but this is real news, and should be reported somewhere besides FOX news.

Peter

November 29th, 2009
10:05 am

Looks like Bush’s Failure to get Bin Laden, was not only calculated, but allowed them to Make up a War, and rip off the American people while bilking the Treasury.

Yes Kyle, the Trust factor has worn it’s self out, and trusting anything that came from the Bush Administration, is like believing in a Fairy God Mother !

Peter

November 29th, 2009
10:06 am

(12) Support the Bilking of America.

Peter

November 29th, 2009
10:20 am

Hey Jess, FOX news is reporting stuff so Big Business can get away with more pollution, and call it OK.

I find it amazing that the Right don’t care about their children and future generations, only money and greed.

Jess

November 29th, 2009
10:53 am

Peter,

I’m confused. Are you saying that the findings Kyle mentioned didn’t happen, or that since they do not fit the global warming scenario they shouldn’t be reported. Sounds like you prefer news sources who report all the news we think you should hear.

Peter

November 29th, 2009
11:01 am

Jess I am saying Fox is biased, make stuff up, or cut stuff out to make their claim better. The Right wing news is just baloney.

Chris Broe

November 29th, 2009
11:04 am

“Trust Us” wearing thin? We weren’t fooled by Bush, so no trust was violated, Kyle. Cheney asked us to trust the Saudis. Trust the Shia. Trust the Sunni. Trust the Kurds. It’s not about trust us. The left never trusted our enemies, even when Cheney bribed them into being allies. They’ll be our enemies again soon enough. The Right trusts in the god-we-trust on our greenback dollars. Well the left dont give a damn about a god on a greenback dollar……(grit teeth here)

Tora Bora revisited: Notice how Rummy weighed in about how the intel wasn’t 100% and how he feared a backlash. Backlash? WTF? Bush ordered him to attack, (PBS). Rummy stood like a stone wall, claiming that unless Bush wrested command from the CIA, he wouldn’t budge. Cheney was in the middle of all this, hiding in a bunker somewhere playing Napoleon. Or was it Hitler? Dammit, I always get my megalomaniacs mixed up. But Lets protect the Vice President at all costs.

It looks like the whole story is finally going to come out. I predicted that Cheney would have to flee to Dubais after the American People found out what he did for the Saudis: Employ them in Iraq. Ditto Rummy. Bush is forgiven because he gave the order to attack. It’s not his fault that his mother didn’t raise him to be a more resolute non-weenie boy. That devil Cheney wrested the role of Commander in Chief from him, and split our executive branch into two parts. That’s what we voted for in 2000, right?

Here’s cheney’s justification: If we had captured OBL, the American people wouldn’t have supported any war in Iraq, and the troops would have had to come home. The Saudis wouldn’t stand for that.

Cheney turned America into a living, breathing pile of Islamist Collateral Damage. We are now a Saudi Zombie regime. Dancing to their greedy schemes. The shame is too much to bear. It were treason, it were. (insert pirate reference here)

What should we do with traitors? I cant think of anything, nothing comes to mind, I dont know, drawing a blank here……

And what was/is the mission of US troops in Iraq? What did we win, now that Glenn Beck has declared victory over there. Is the Iraq war over? Is it? Or is there a large sleeper cell waiting for the right moment (exit strategy, Watson) to destroy whatever puppet regime we’ve set up. Gee, they’ve only been ambushing each other’s regimes over there for ten thousand years. I don’t see why the status quo should continue, do you? We’ve mutated their allegience-DNA, haven’t we? They’re no longer Kurds or Shia or Sunni. They’re all Iraqis now!

Trust me.

Jess

November 29th, 2009
11:06 am

Peter,

Ah, now I see. you would prefer the liberal media to hide news you do not wish to hear, or that they decide you should not hear. At least your position is clear now.

Peter

November 29th, 2009
11:18 am

Jess, the liberal media is not hiding stuff……..FOX is.

Judas Priest

November 29th, 2009
11:19 am

(13) We support shoving our brand of morality down your throat with the use of military force in the name of our Christian God….

Peter

November 29th, 2009
11:29 am

(14) support the Bin Laden Terrorist Protection Program.

Jess

November 29th, 2009
11:29 am

Peter,

So not covering certain news events is not hiding stuff, but covering these events is hiding stuff. I’m sure in some twisted way that must mske sense to you.

Peter

November 29th, 2009
11:36 am

Jess…..Please make some sense here. Thank you,

Peter

November 29th, 2009
11:45 am

Hey Jess…..here is an example………..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPsV6ZhL15c

Fox omitted Palin’s pure stupidity, during the election.

Peter

November 29th, 2009
12:19 pm

For the second time in just over a week, Fox News is coming under fire for misusing old news footage. The latest flap is leading some people to charge that the cable news network is intentionally misleading its audience, while Fox claims a “production error.”

Wednesday’s incident occurred when Fox News host Gregg Jarrett mentioned that a Sarah Palin appearance and book signing in Grand Rapids, Michigan had a massive turnout. As footage rolled of a smiling and waving Palin amidst a throng of fans, Jarrett noted that the former Republican vice-presidential candidate is “continuing to draw huge crowds while she’s promoting her brand-new book,” adding that the images being shown were “some of the pictures just coming in to us…. The lines earlier had formed this morning.”

However, the video used in the segment was from a 2008 McCain/Palin campaign rally. In response to the minor uproar that arose after clips of Jarrett’s report hit the Internet, Fox senior vice-president of news Michael Clemente issued an initial statement saying, “This was a production error in which the copy editor changed a script and didn’t alert the control room to update the video.”

On Thursday afternoon, Fox News issued an on-air apology delivered by host Jane Skinner:

Yesterday we told you about Sarah Palin kicking off her book tour and then we spoke to Sean Hannity about an interview that he did with former Governor Palin. When introducing the segment we showed you footage of people lining up in Michigan for a book signing that evening. In the tease before the segment, the tease to commercial, we told you how those people were already lining up to meet Palin. The problem is we didn’t show you the video we were actually referencing. Instead we mistakenly aired what’s called “file tape” of Sarah Palin. We didn’t mean to mislead anybody in that tease. It was a mistake, and for that we apologize.

The current mishap comes on the heels of a controversy sparked last week when footage from a conservative rally held over the summer was played on “Hannity” during a segment on a more recent rally. During the clip, host Sean Hannity marveled over the large turnout for a Washington, DC protest. The Daily Show later pointed out that there seemed to be some inconsistencies with the video shown on Hannity’s show, namely that the atmospheric conditions seemed to vary from shot to shot. Hannity later apologized on the air for what he called “an inadvertent mistake.”

Barely a week into Palin’s blitz to promote “Going Rogue,” media coverage is becoming its own story. Fox News rival MSNBC caught heat last week for using altered images of Sarah Palin on the air, for which they later apologized. On Wednesday, Yahoo! News reported Newsweek’s defense of their latest controversial cover, which Palin herself blasted as “sexist.”

Jess

November 29th, 2009
12:21 pm

Peter,

What doesn’t make sense is to hide ones head in the sand when anything is reported which doesn’t fit their prefered view of the world. Your statement that FOX only reports this stuff so that big business can continue to pollute, shows that you prefer to be kept in the dark about any evidence which might refute global warming.

And just to be clear, the idea that anyone who doesn’t believe the world is about to burst into flames is pro pollution is absurd. I live in the mountains, and have always supported measures which reduce harmful pollution because I have seen the results of these in the past. At times I have donated to, and supported environmental causes. I also worked in a Research lab for several years, and although I am not a scientist, I learned to recognize good research. The stuff we have been sold on warming is not good research.

Chris Broe

November 29th, 2009
12:26 pm

Fox breaking news: Sarah Palin is writing another book about the evils of entitlements like free government cheese. It’s working title is “Going Roguefort”.

There’s already buzz about a second Pulitzer Prize.

Peter

November 29th, 2009
12:38 pm

Jeff,

I guess you don’t believe man made pollution has any effect on the environment, except be just pollution, and could never ever cause problems like Global warming ?

Would you suggest the mass cutting of the Rain forests have zero to do with the warming of the environment ?

Would you suggest pollution from cars, trucks, energy plants, and factories, has zero to do with the environment, and could never ever cause Global warming ?

.

Pogo

November 29th, 2009
12:45 pm

Peter, the same argument could be made about the left not caring about their children considering the trillions in debt the leftist Democrats are piling up on them. If the spending does not stop, these children will be living with an enormous mass of debt on their shoulders their entire lives and they will have absolutely no freedom at all.

Jess

November 29th, 2009
12:56 pm

Peter,

I think some of these things do affect the environment. What affect they have I don’t know, but I do not believe the climate scientists do either. And just to clarify, this debate has not been about rain forests. It is about CO2 and introducing economy killing legislation [cap-and-trade], which is not designed to reduce CO2 but to punish companies through taxes and fees for their emissions. We have a government which not only has accepted faulty science in their quest to control these companies, but who has rewarded the agencies and individuals who are complicit handsomely.

Peter

November 29th, 2009
1:03 pm

Pogo, are you suggesting the War debt that America has, is OK then ?

Do you know the extent of that debt ? Was that war debt really put into the Bush deficit ?

Did you know allot of the current spending is part of the bailouts started by Bush, when America and the Banking system, almost went totally under as was reported ?

Peter

November 29th, 2009
1:05 pm

Jess…….. I would suggest the CO2 issue has to do with the fact there are less trees, and over all vegetation, thus nature has less ability to clean it’s self.

I would also suggest there is a need to cut the CO2 being produced.

Jess

November 29th, 2009
1:10 pm

Peter,

Trees produce CO2.

Not Going To Use My Usual Name

November 29th, 2009
1:19 pm

1) Order of creation in Genesis 1: Vegetation, animals, male, then female. Order of creation in Genesis 2: Adam, vegetation, animals, Eve. You can try to explain this away, but both of the narratives (and if you read in the Hebrew, they are quite clearly two separate accounts by two disparate authors) claim to be *orders of creation*. And they differ in order. Do with that what you will.

2) The only scientists who are agitating against climate change are bankrolled by big business or big religion. If you can point me toward some scientists who have no ties to business or fundamentalism but who are also global warming skeptics, I’ll gladly read what they have to say… but I’ve looked and haven’t found any credible scientists *in the field*. There are some isolated scientists who aren’t actually climatologists (I think there’s a prominent mathematician who disputes climate change science. Well, I’m a communications Ph.D.-in-training… so does that give me the authority to weigh in on matters in the history department? Maybe… but if my findings disagree with all the major historians’ findings… who are you going to believe? Not me–at least I hope not. Statistics, however, show that if I agree with you, you’re likely to believe me over the true experts).

3) For the record, I’m a deeply committed Christian. I’m just also not bound by the Republican Party or any brainwashed fundamentalists to tell me what Jesus would do. I can translate Greek fairly well, with aids, and I studied Hebrew (although Hebrew’s pretty tough for me–lack of vowels will do that to a reader)… and my understanding of the creation stories is that they aren’t so much literal versions of what we’re supposed to believe as they are important information about our relationships to the world, to God, and to each other.

4) I believe there’s a distinct correlation between fundamentalism (particularly young Earth creationism) and climate change skepticism. I don’t have hard data on that, though. I’d actually like to see some.

Jess

November 29th, 2009
1:40 pm

Not going to use my name…

The flip side of your argument is that the only scientists arguing for global warming are funded by the government. As this article shows, the desire to come up with conclusions which support the views of your benefactors can lead to sloppy, and perhaps fraudulant science.

Now I would not try to change your mind. I would simply say there is enough doubt about the whole issue to resist programs which we know will cripple our economy, and which do not even claim to reduce pollution. To the government this issue is about much more than saving the planet.

Peter

November 29th, 2009
2:38 pm

Jess, as a tree decomposes it does produce CO2……. but come on now, your statement is really silly when it come to trees.

You should then cut all your trees down, and tar your yard then !

I guess then your yard will be cooler ?

Linda

November 29th, 2009
4:17 pm

Peter, The global warming debate has absolutely nothing to do with pollution. Where have you been?

itpdude

November 29th, 2009
4:49 pm

Are you nuts? YOU are going to say “the politics of ‘trust us’ is wearing thin?”

It was YOUR party that engaged in that crap to get us involved in Iraq. “Trust us”, was something YOUR GOP said when asked for evidence of WMD’s.

The GOP has lost me forever and your story above, with its patent hypocrisy, is a wonderful illustration of why.

TGT

November 29th, 2009
4:52 pm

Not Going…Usual Name: It is a common error to see Genesis chapter one and Genesis chapter two as contradictory accounts of creation. However, Gen. 1 & 2 are not contradictory accounts but rather complimentary accounts. Gen. 1:1 to Gen.2:4a is a chronological account of the days of creation. Genesis 2:4b begins a second account which is simply a more detailed coverage of certain aspects of Gen. Chapter 1. This second account is not meant to be a chronological description of the days of creation. It is rather a focusing in on the relationship of Adam to the garden and the creation of Eve. This lays the groundwork for Gen. 3 which records the fall of man.

Also: As far as your statement, “The only scientists who are agitating against climate change are bankrolled by big business or big religion.” goes, consider: Richard Lindzen, Freeman Dyson, Reid Bryson, Timothy Ball, John Cristy, William Gray, etc., etc., etc. Also consider the over 650 international scientists who have not bought into the AGW myth.

Michael H. Smith: There most certainly is a length of time given in Gen. 1. The Hebrew word for day used in Genesis chapter 1 is “yom.” A number and the phrase “evening and morning” are used for each of the six Days of Creation. In Scripture outside Genesis 1, yom is used with a number 410 times. Each time it means an ordinary day. In Scripture outside Genesis 1, yom is used with the word “evening” or “morning” 23 times. “Evening” and “morning” appear in association, but without yom, 38 times. All 61 times the text refers to an ordinary day. Why would Genesis 1 be the exception for the use of yom?

Linda

November 29th, 2009
5:11 pm

Not Going, I don’t think you have to be a scientist, let alone a climatologist, to form an objective opinion about global warming. I have a Bachelor of Science degree, but high school Earth Science & common sense is all you need. Fifth-graders know that CO2 increases agricultural productivity & reforestation.
The question no one is discussing is WHY the alarmists/scientists are cooking their data. Always follow the money.

Michael H. Smith

November 29th, 2009
5:12 pm

Thankfully I don’t explain away anything concerning scriptures. I simply accept what is written in the creation account which many do not understand and blame their misunderstanding, lack of knowledge, study, or whatever reason: Like a so-called brainwashing of others to assert their credibility to a false account.

Not to belabor the point, though in my previous loosely gleaned over order of creation I did not expose the fall of Lucifer the anointed Cherub cast down to earth which many Scholars/Theologians attribute to the awesome events of Genesis 1:2 or the fact that Adam and Eve were not the only two humans God created. This creation of other people is made mention of later in the book of Genesis Chapter 5:2 (which again was preceded by the creation of heaven and earth for which no length of time was assigned as time itself at that point and until verse 3 was irrelevant in the sphere of eternity) thus explaining how humanity came into being as we know it. Adam and Eve were not alone in populating the Earth.

Within Theology there are many views as any Bible scholar will tell you, even more views (false ones) than these are the purvey of infidels (non-believers) concerning the scriptures. Which led Paul to warn, as well as to instruct: Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, “rightly dividing the word of truth”. (2 Timothy 2:15)

Science and Theology as it appears will continue in the age old debate, even as today with Hawking asking the big question, How did life begin? Are we alone?

Nevertheless, climate change – back to the point of actual discussion – has been around long before man in both extremes of hot and cold without any human influence whatsoever. No doubt this global climate cycle will continue regardless of human activities or any aggravating contributions made by man, to or within, this naturally occurring process.

Meantime, I’m by far more in accord with Robert Moen on this subject matter. Energy independence is the prize our eyes should be focusing on. Not only for the global environmental benefits but for our own security, economy and rush to secure a more peaceful prosperous existence upon this earth for the whole of humanity’s sake. And… we don’t need phony numbers produced by peer review, Al Gore, Liberal Socialism or Caps and Trades a.k.a. Caps and TAXES to accomplish the task.

Peter

November 29th, 2009
5:22 pm

Linda you are totally wrong on that one. CO2 is pollution from vehicles, factories, and energy plants.

Where have you been ?

I see TGT trying to explain creation, by God, explained and written by man…..Man made Religion at it’s best.

Hey itpdude …… You have explained the Republican’s to a T.

All should be amused at their saying they ” Protected America ” after 911…….Today we found out they actually let Bin Laden go free, when they could have caught him.

But hey if Bin Laden was dead, there would not be Dick Cheney’s lies…… Bin laden and Saddam were working together, which many Right wingers still believe today ……..also “Faulty Intelligence”, and “Mission Accomplished”….which we today know was the Bilking of America !

David Axelfraud

November 29th, 2009
5:26 pm

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David Axelfraud

November 29th, 2009
5:28 pm

Big big trouble for Al Gore and other global warming scam artists.

Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation

Our hopelessly compromised scientific establishment cannot be allowed to get away with the Climategate whitewash, says Christopher Booker.

A week after my colleague James Delingpole, on his Telegraph blog, coined the term “Climategate” to describe the scandal revealed by the leaked emails from the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit, Google was showing that the word now appears across the internet more than nine million times. But in all these acres of electronic coverage, one hugely relevant point about these thousands of documents has largely been missed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html

Linda

November 29th, 2009
5:39 pm

Peter, CO2 is not a pollutant. Smoke is a pollutant. CO2 is not smoke.
CO2 is a non-toxic, good, pure, clean, natural, scarce, harmless, colorless, odorless gas. It is essential for life on earth.
Pollutants are already regulated under the Clean Air Act.
Global warming & Cap & Trade tax has nothing to do with pollutants. They are focusing only on greenhouse gases, primarily CO2.
You’ve been harping about trees for 3 weeks. If the government reduces CO2, which they can’t, your trees will die & so will you.

hryder

November 29th, 2009
5:40 pm

Yes, Al Gore is an unrepentant liar and people who believe him are the same gullible folks who elected the current, incompetent, and out of touch with basic economic and statistical realities associated with normal life, The Big O.

Peter

November 29th, 2009
5:49 pm

Gee Linda, sounds like we need More CO2 not less, maybe less Oxygen, and More CO2.

Yes before Man made CO2 the trees were having a tough time of it……It is wonderful that man is polluting so much to help the trees.

Linda

November 29th, 2009
6:00 pm

Peter, I hate to tell you this but your home is full of carbon dioxide right now. Go to Home Depot & ask for a carbon dioxide detector. It’s slightly different from the carbon monoxide detector. Make sure you get the right one.
Did you take science in fifth grade?
Do you breathe?

Peter

November 29th, 2009
6:02 pm

Linda…….. I guess NASA is lying to us……..

The main human activities that contribute to global warming are the burning of fossil fuels (coal, oil, and natural gas) and the clearing of land. Most of the burning occurs in automobiles, in factories, and in electric power plants that provide energy for houses and office buildings. The burning of fossil fuels creates carbon dioxide, whose chemical formula is CO2. CO2 is a greenhouse gas that slows the escape of heat into space. Trees and other plants remove CO2 from the air during photosynthesis, the process they use to produce food. The clearing of land contributes to the buildup of CO2 by reducing the rate at which the gas is removed from the atmosphere or by the decomposition of dead vegetation.

http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/global_warming_worldbook.html

And of course CO2 is natural to the world………. Trees and plants need it to survive.

Peter

November 29th, 2009
6:05 pm

Hey Linda,

My house may have some CO2, but it is ALSO loaded with house plants…..making wonderful healthy Oxygen. I would bet you have lots of plants in your house as well !

Sunshine and Thunder

November 29th, 2009
6:12 pm

Global warming is a scam and people had already started figuring that out. That’s why the fanatics began calling it “climate change”. Now we have the smoking gun of what was almost a victory by the far left to destroy capitalism in the name of ecology. I’m hearing cap and trade was dead long before these soi-disant scientists blew themselves up.

Now we’re hearing that the emails are meaningless and that the science is correct regardless. Yeah, right. How many other scientific milestones were rigged games?

Not Going To Use My Usual Name

November 29th, 2009
6:16 pm

Sunshine and Thunder–how many other scientific milestones were rigged games?

Probably that Einstein fella… and CERTAINLY Darwin… and frankly, I suspect Copernicus and Galileo.

After all, anybody with a pair of eyes can see the sun revolves around the Earth. Anything else patently contradicts what I see every day. The sun gets up in the east and sets in the west, proving without a doubt that it’s revolving around Earth. Hallelujah, God made humanity the center of the universe!

Similarly, I haven’t personally experienced ANYTHING remotely like what these scientists are claiming. Global warming… climate change… whatever they want to call it, it hit the low 40s last night outside my home. Doesn’t sound like “warming” to me! Idiots!

Not Going To Use My Usual Name

November 29th, 2009
6:19 pm

Linda, did anyone ever explain to you *why* the rainforests being cut down offers such a problem? It’s because the trees serve an extremely important purpose. Now I ask you… what’s that purpose?

Not Going To Use My Usual Name

November 29th, 2009
6:22 pm

David Axelfraud, Christopher Booker (who doesn’t believe in evolution, by the way) has been pretty thoroughly discredited by any number of sources. This is the same guy who tells us that the danger from secondhand smoke is a myth: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1556118/Christopher-Bookers-notebook.html. I don’t think I’m going to use him as an authority on anything scientific.

Linda

November 29th, 2009
6:23 pm

Peter, Have you not been paying attention? Again? The pro-global warming scientists cooked the books. They’ve been lying. The truth is out. Read a couple of the 1079 emails & 72 documents. It’s all fraud.
Why do we need copying machines when we have people like you? When you copy & paste, do you read & comprehend the material? What you copied & pasted proves what I told you an hour ago.
How much CO2 is in your house? Did you get it tested? Too bad about the demise of your plants, & you, too.

Sunshine and Thunder

November 29th, 2009
6:23 pm

Not Going To Use My Usual Name :

You wrote:

“Doesn’t sound like “warming” to me! Idiots”

The rest of your screed was just about that intelligent. Are you speaking in tongues? Or is English your second language? If you want to say something we all wish you’d say it. Please.

Sunshine and Thunder

November 29th, 2009
6:25 pm

Not Going To Use My Usual Name

Did anyone ever explain to you WHY the rain forests are being cut down? Ever hear of ethanol? Another eco vomit from the green team.

Linda

November 29th, 2009
6:29 pm

Sunshine, The cap & trade tax bill has already passed the House. The pres is attending the Kyoto Protocol summit. The media is not reporting the scandal. There’s still too many useful idiots. We can not relax.

Linda

November 29th, 2009
6:52 pm

Not, Your question seems so elementary that I must be missing something. Animals & humans inhale O2 & exhale CO2. Plants absorb CO2 & release O2. CO2 is necessary for the carbon cycle, ecology, photosynthesis & cellular respiration. CO2 increases agricultural productivity & reforestation. CO2 levels are lower over “green” areas of the world, such as much of the US. Deforestation causes temperatures to increase, droughts, erosion & loss of resources of food & medicine.

Peter

November 29th, 2009
7:15 pm

Linda after Bush’s “Faultily Intelligence”, I doubt seriously anything the Right says, and would actually side with saving the planet and our race, and not with the money mongering polluters of the world !

Peter

November 29th, 2009
7:20 pm

Linda, with Sarah Palin as a Leading Republican, classifying “Idiots”, other than Republican’s is “Faulty Intelligence” !

Sunshine and Thunder

November 29th, 2009
7:24 pm

Please give us an example of Bush’s faulty intelligence. If you can do it intelligently, that is. (I doubt it).

Sunshine and Thunder

November 29th, 2009
7:25 pm

Peter:

I’m going out to eat and I would greatly appreciate a few examples of Bush’s faulty intelligence when I get back.

Linda

November 29th, 2009
7:40 pm

Peter, are you saying the whistle blower was from the right? Do you know something the rest of the world does not? To my knowledge, the person who spilled the beans has not yet been identified, has not come forward. It appears that this was an inside job, someone who worked for this climate center, a lefty, who knew right from wrong, who had a conscience, who was willing to give up his/her career & possibly freedom to expose the most massive, devious, systematic shafting of the beleaguered world-wide taxpayers, such as yourself, assuming you pay taxes.
Cap & trade has nothing to do with saving the planet, your race or pollution.
Bottom line, you learn nothing from blogs or the internet. I recommend your visiting the library & checking out a book called “Science for Dummies,” or better yet, watch “Are You Smarter Than a Fifth-Grader?”

David Axelfraud

November 29th, 2009
7:44 pm

Not Going To Use My Usual Name, evolution is also a scam. If you or any other buffoon believes in pure evolution then by all means, go out and kill whomever you want to kill. You know, since evolution, in pure scientific terms, is the absence of morality. I always find it funny that you kook aid drinkers always try to change the subject when you get caught in your lies.

David Axelfraud

November 29th, 2009
7:45 pm

Not Going To Use My Usual Name, one more thing, there is no concrete evidence that second hand smoke causes cancer. Go ahead and try to find a medical study on the subject. It doesn’t exist because there is nothing to back up the claim. Then again, I am sure that you believe 911 was an inside job.

Linda

November 29th, 2009
7:46 pm

Peter, Obama is one the most intelligent & highest educated presidents we’ve ever had. Have you ever heard of the Nutty Professor? Unfortunately, Obama is continuing to prove the the American people why it’s more important to have a leader who has common sense, like Palin. You do know what common sense is, don’t you?

David Axelfraud

November 29th, 2009
7:49 pm

Not Going To Use My Usual Name, I highly doubt you believe in evolution because I am 100% positive that you believe in some kind of moral absolute.

1: If you believe that the death penalty is wrong then you can’t believe in evolution because evolution is all about survival of the fittest.

2: If you believe in evolution then why do you care if global warming kills anyone? Again, survival of the fittest.

3: If you believe in evolution then there is NOTHING you can do to stop the evolutionary cycle of the Earth. You are doomed.

Go ahead, make up excuses comrade, you just opened Pandora’s box on this one.

David Axelfraud

November 29th, 2009
7:50 pm

Linda, Obama is really not that smart. He’s been handed everything by the media who loves him because he’s black. Since he’s been in office he’s managed to tank the economy, piss off the world and mismanage his entire cabinet again and again and again. Not the sign of an intelligent person.

Linda

November 29th, 2009
7:52 pm

David, This blog has missed you & I’m glad you’re back.

David Axelfraud

November 29th, 2009
7:53 pm

Peter @ 7:20, you are a confusing person. First, you rant and rave about people calling you and others names yet here you are calling other people names. Second, if you are going to call someone an idiot you may want to write a coherent sentence.

Linda

November 29th, 2009
8:04 pm

David, I’m not convinced the media’s motives are race-related. I think it’s more of the far-left (9 o’clock) liberal, radical agenda, socialism.

David Axelfraud

November 29th, 2009
8:06 pm

Linda, three days ago Helen Thomas, liberal icon “journalist”, said that she is thankful for a black president. Her words.

Linda

November 29th, 2009
8:23 pm

David, Thomas has already criticized Obama for his naiveity. The media is thankful for any radical lefties in power, regardless of color, not to imply that the application of lipstick is a factor.

David Axelfraud

November 29th, 2009
8:25 pm

Linda, yeah but she voted for him.

Linda

November 29th, 2009
8:26 pm

David, Americans voted for him.

David Axelfraud

November 29th, 2009
8:28 pm

Linda, not sure what that has to do with Helen Thomas.

Linda

November 29th, 2009
8:39 pm

David, the media & the American people voted for O because of his rhetoric, not because he was black, but despite the fact he was black. He would never have been elected without the white vote. Whites didn’t vote for him because he was black. They voted for him because they thought he was the lesser of the two evils, a situation we frequently get ourselves into during elections, & because he wasn’t Bush.
Thomas was just grandstanding.

Not Going To Use My Usual Name

November 29th, 2009
8:42 pm

Dear Sunshine and Thunder, meet sarcasm. Now maybe if you back and read my post again, you’ll understand it. Rain forest trees have been cut down because industrialized nations wanted the hardwood. Ethanol is a debacle, yes. What was your question?

Linda, *yes*, you have correctly identified deforestation as a large problem, because it results in *increased* CO2. Increased CO2 is in fact a problem. What was your question?

Axelfraud, if you really want to discuss theology with me… I believe in open, process theology–a theology in which God is able to be surprised and even to grow (you know, like people who are made in God’s image except, for some fundamentalists, not THAT part). This is why we have passages like God changing God’s mind. Evolution fits right in with that. It’s all about adaptability and growth. You can paint it as cruel and ruthless, just like I can paint an atonement God as cruel and ruthless… but as a species, we benefit from morality.

By the way, why would you think that someone who accepts the scientific consensus on evolution doesn’t have any vested interest in humanity? How very silly. It’s the fundamentalists who believe the world is going to end who give up on Earth… like Rev. John MacArthur, who once called the Earth a “disposable planet.”

You also seem to be a little confused on criteria for intelligence. Obviously there are multiple kinds, from so-called common sense to logic/IQ to mastery of a subject. It’s rather foolish to call Obama stupid unless you’re detailing how you define intelligence. After all, even before his presidency, I daresay he was far more accomplished than you or I are.

Linda

November 29th, 2009
8:51 pm

Not, I’m still not understanding your question. What was my question?

Linda

November 29th, 2009
8:56 pm

Not, no one has called Obama stupid. He’s one of the most intelligent & educated presidents we’ve ever had. The problem is that he’s turned out to be a radical & is spending our country into oblivion.

Linda

November 29th, 2009
9:10 pm

Not, you asked me a question which I answered & you seem to give me a passing grade.For the same courtesy, may I ask you a question? What is the percentage of CO2 levels right now? If they are high, what percentage of CO2 levels are safe, according to all the pro-global warming scientists? What are our objectives as a country, & even more importantly, as a globe?

David Axelfraud

November 29th, 2009
9:46 pm

Not Going To Use My Usual Name, you totally missed my point. Also, you didn’t answer any of my questions.

Oh, and comrade, read before you throw out assumptions. I did not call Obama stupid. I simply stated that he is not intelligent. Doesn’t mean he’s stupid, just average.

David Axelfraud

November 29th, 2009
9:50 pm

Not Going To Use My Usual Name, when did I state that I wanted to argue theology? Answer: I didn’t. I just asked some questions about you and evolution. You claimed that Booker is not a good resource and I called you out on it. Just because someone doesn’t believe what you believe does not disqualify that person. What it does mean is that you are too close minded and opinionated in your own beliefs which makes you…………….intolerant of other views. Funny how people like you always point the finger at other people when in fact you are what you say you are not.

David Axelfraud

November 29th, 2009
9:51 pm

Linda, exactly, no one said Obama was stupid. Usual name is on this blog to stir up trouble and self-promote his/her own self-righteousness all while undermining the intelligence of other conservative bloggers.

Bottom line: No one called Obama stupid. Usual name obviously can’t decipher a few words.

David Axelfraud

November 29th, 2009
9:53 pm

Linda @ 8:39, I disagree. There is substantial evidence of white people voting for the president out of what Thomas Sowell calls “white guilt.” Meaning, a lot of white people feel guilty for slavery. A practice in which no living “white American” has anything to do with. If Obama had been white he would have lost by 20-25 million votes.

David Axelfraud

November 29th, 2009
9:57 pm

Usual name writes: After all, even before his presidency, I daresay he was far more accomplished than you or I are.

No, not at all sir/ma’am. You have no idea what I have achieved in life and therefore your rhetoric about me is just that. Rhetoric. President Obama was a community organizer who lived off of his wife’s bloated salary from the U of Chicago. She made over $200,000 while he spent most of his early “career” trying to earn the trust of black people who felt he was not black enough. He was given affirmative action at Harvard.

David Axelfraud

November 29th, 2009
10:02 pm

Not Going To Use My Usual Name, curious. After re-reading your rhetoric on evolution, I have come to the conclusion that you are a confused person. First, you stated in your first post to me that Booker is not credible because he doesn’t believe in evolution. Second, you go off on some other rant about how God and evolution go hand in hand. You can’t have it both ways sir/ma’am. Evolution in it’s truest form is survival of the fittest. IE Darwinism. Nothing more nothing less. You can try to spin it any way you want but in it’s truest form, evolution is about chance and survival.

You didn’t answer any of my questions and I can therefore deem you as “not credible” in any way. Evolution has no moral values. Moral values come from a higher being. Animals have no morals. They kill at will and do whatever they wish. No remorse and no feelings.

Now, feel free to misread my statements.

Linda

November 29th, 2009
10:18 pm

David, Are you saying that white people voted for O because of guilt for slavery? If white people feel guilty for slavery, why are they still trying to enslave the blacks? Isn’t that what is really happening in American today? Isn’t that the number one goal of the liberals?

Peter

November 29th, 2009
10:41 pm

Linda, for someone who keeps talking about a 5 grade Science lesson, please read about trees…..they use the natural CO2 from the environment, and make oxygen…..as does other plants and foliage.

The man made CO2 through pollution is the problem…..and we are making it like crazy…….plus we keep cutting down the trees, making cities, black tar parking lots, and subdivisions, without regard to the local environment.

If a car running down the street is not considered polluting, or emitting CO2……..then you are amiss.

Clapton is God

November 29th, 2009
10:41 pm

God, what is it good for, absolutely nothing, say it again……

Peter

November 29th, 2009
10:44 pm

Linda the number one goal of anyone is to be happy……..All people in life would be included in that one.

Peter

November 29th, 2009
10:50 pm

David, animals brains don’t work like ours, they live and attempt to survive.

Would a crocodile eating a child, be without morals or just hungry ?

Also being Black had some to do with his victory, but Palin had more to do with it then him being black. McCain was old, and she was under qualified……Africa is Not a Country !

Sunshine and Thunder

November 29th, 2009
10:57 pm

Peter

Still waiting for the faulty Bush intelligence. Just a couple. Or maybe even one would be nice.

Sunshine and Thunder

November 29th, 2009
10:59 pm

Palin was underqualified??? The only candidate in the race with any political executive experience. I have never – to this day received an answer on these boards to the following question: what in Obama’s background qualified him to be president?

Peter

November 29th, 2009
11:00 pm

WMDs was labeled just that…….Cost plus contracts should be considered another, and how about “Mission Accomplished”…..

How was America helped by any of these ?

Peter

November 29th, 2009
11:03 pm

Palin was under qualified??? YES YES YES !!!!

Palin thought Africa was a country…….she didn’t know squat about the world…….

Please go back and see how badly even FOX News lambasted her for her lack of knowledge and understanding of the way we work in the world.

Mrs. Norris

November 29th, 2009
11:10 pm

Regardless of whether climate change is man-made or even happening at all, common sense tells you that tons of carbon-monoxide in the air cannot be good. Not to mention that as long as we are so reliant on oil, the middle east has us by the ….. It’s past time we look for alternative fuels and ways to use less gasoline.

Al Gore

November 29th, 2009
11:21 pm

Oh this is just tooooo funny!!!! “Global Warming” is the “Bernie Madoff” of the environmental movement……

I can’t believe all these idiots fell for it, ha ha ha ha ha ha …….

Meanwhile, I’m sittin in my 50,0000 sq ft Tennessee mansion with my supersized carbon footprint…

I make gazillions of dollars off of these idiot drones…..and they give me a Nobel Peace Prize…..what IDIOTS!!!!!!

Jesus luvs Cannabis

November 29th, 2009
11:30 pm

Time to end the war on drugs, it says in the bible-”Jesus toked the holy oil which contained cannabis at the last supper and thru-out his trip on earth, that’s why he saw so many visions”

Sunshine and Thunder

November 30th, 2009
12:12 am

Peter, you wrote:

“WMDs was labeled just that…….Cost plus contracts should be considered another, and how about “Mission Accomplished”…..

How was America helped by any of these ?”

WMD’s were found in Iraq. What would you do? You (and the rest of your mindless peers) claim that Bush used fraudulent intelligence. You have no proof that he knew it was fraudulent. Of course if he HADN’T acted on it and then something happened you and your Monday morning quarterback crew would have skewered him. What a bunch of second guessing idiots.

The cost plus contracts for Haliburton were negotiated under the Clinton administration Einstein.

Mission Accomplished. This one is a real doozy. None of you left nuts have any clue how the military works. The “mission” Bush was talking about was the mission to accomplish the fall of Baghdad. The forces DID IT!!.. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!! GET IT? Bush was trying to pat the armed forces on the back. I know that is a concept that you weridos can’t understand.

Sunshine and Thunder

November 30th, 2009
12:15 am

Palin committed a few gaffs on TV. She also lost her teleprompter at the onset of her speech at the Republican convention – her introduction – and she ad libbed like a Jay Leno. Brilliant.

But I ask again: what in Obama’s background qualifies him to be president? At least Palin was a former chief executive and CIC of the Alaska Nat. Guard.

Horrible Horace

November 30th, 2009
7:43 am

ObaMao is unqualified to hold a mens room attendant job, all though he would probably do ok at it. Wiping and re-wiping, placating and bowing to one and all.

Secondly…this global climate change is pure BS. The UN delegates are bigger thieves, child molesters, crooks than our jerkoff in Congress and thats saying something.

Chris Broe

November 30th, 2009
9:12 am

Sounds like someone’s been breathing into a brown paper bag. (Plenty of CO2 there replacing the Oxygen)

Peter

November 30th, 2009
9:27 am

Boy is a bunch of baloney…….”The cost plus contracts for Haliburton were negotiated under the Clinton administration Einstein.”

The War wasn’t started by Clinton.

Right off the desk of Cheney……… Mission Accomplished….the bilking of America !

How much has the WAR cost today with interest ?

Yes Palin saw the coast of Russia, and said she understood the world, but hey Africa is a country according to her ! Brilliant !

Please get real !

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
9:39 am

Peter, yeah but most evolutionist believe that we are nothing but evolved animals. Re-read what I wrote and touch on some of those points of evolution. Again, evolution is a theory, a hypothesis. Not set in stone.

Palin brought in more votes for Mccain. Even he acknowledged that fact. If she was a burden then why does she draw massive crowds and sell out tours?

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
9:41 am

Peter, Obama said that he’d been to all 57 states. So in your terms of experience, he has none.

Bottom line: Obama is the biggest mistake since Jimmy Carter. Sarah Palin is all smiles right now.

F-105 Thunderchief

November 30th, 2009
10:04 am

Congratulations on the victory of your l’Universite du Georgia Bulldogs.

Now, I repeat my viewpoint on the whole “climate change debate.” Who cares? The U.S. needs to be developing and bringing to market all forms of renewable energy technologies, as if our lives depended on it. Why? Our lives depend on it. Doing this brings economic security by putting this clearly necessary industrial sector in our hands. It stops the flow of trillions of dollars to the Middle East and greatly reduces our need to interact with those there who plot 24-7 to harm us.

So, economic and national security = good. Climate change debate = stupid distraction from the business at hand.

Chris Broe

November 30th, 2009
10:41 am

What is the cold science of global warming?

Planets are a byproduct of star formation. Earth orbits inside our sun’s atmosphere. We all literally evolved inside of a star, if you consider the atmosphere of a star as part of the star.

We’ll never decode the chaos inside of stars, so we’ll never know why the mean global temperature of our own atmophere describes a wave function. (NASA). It heats up. It cools down. Then it repeats. Then it rinses. (Mayan calendar, Vidal Sassoon, and Glenn Breck)

SO there’s no need to get yourself in a lather over global warming.

Peter

November 30th, 2009
11:06 am

Ok….I agree……”Again, evolution is a theory, a hypothesis”……….The same goes for God !

I guess if King Bush had been a good Honest President who didn’t make UP a WAR, and bankrupt America for his personal pleasures, then Obama would have never been elected

Then of course if Palin wasn’t on the ballot, more folks would have voted for McCain….Or if the Republican’s actually had a better candidate, then Obama might have not been elected.

Pollution is the reason the CO2 clammier is happening…all man made pollution. Common Sense.

Jess

November 30th, 2009
11:12 am

Peter,

….How much has the war cost to date?…

Iraq war costs to date are $687 billion. Far less than the stimulus package or any proposed health legislation.

Peter

November 30th, 2009
11:17 am

Long-term health care costs

A recent study indicated that the long term health care costs for wounded Iraq war veterans could range from $350 billion to $700 billion.

Peter

November 30th, 2009
11:18 am

The Iraq War Will Cost Us $3 Trillion, and Much More

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846_pf.html

Linda

November 30th, 2009
11:28 am

Peter@10:41 PM, You asked me to read about trees. Read what I wrote about trees @ 6:52 PM.
A car emits N2, CO2 & H2O, all benign. The offensive emissions are handled by the catalytic converters
@10:50 Palin ran a city, the Alaska Oil & Gas Conservation Commission, a state & her own business. Obama never ran anything before he was elected.

Linda

November 30th, 2009
11:34 am

Mrs. Norris@11:10 PM, the issue with global warming has absolutely nothing to do with regulating carbon MONOXIDE, a pollutant. It targets carbon DIOXIDE, a harmless, non-toxic, good, pure, clean, natural, scarce, colorless, odorless gas that is essential for our survival on earth

Peter

November 30th, 2009
11:40 am

Come on Linda…….folks kill themselves with cars in their garage….that is benign.HA HA HA !

Yes Plain ran a town into the ground, and got more pork per person than in any other place in the country………Please she even quit……

Horrible Horace

November 30th, 2009
12:19 pm

Peter

November 30th, 2009
9:27 am

No…Africa is a craphole that should be left to solve its own problems.

Linda

November 30th, 2009
12:22 pm

Peter, It’s still possible to die in a car with the motor running in the garage, if the car is old, has no catalytic converter & uses leaded fuel. There was a girl who started her diesel Rabbit, ran a hose from the tailpipe to the interior & passed out drunk. The next morning, she woke up with a hang-over, smelling like diesel exhaust.
If you go into a sealed room, you will eventually die. No car is necessary.
I’m no longer debating you to be helpful. I am using you. Your statement about Palin serves my purpose well.

Jess

November 30th, 2009
12:25 pm

Peter,

The Iraq war costs are $687 billion. These are numbers from the current administration. I regard the link you posted with the same credibility as our climate scientists. $687 billion is the cost, period.

Peter

November 30th, 2009
12:40 pm

LInda and Jess funny folks no substance !

dewstarpath

November 30th, 2009
12:42 pm

- It’s almost incomprehensible how stupid some of
these posts are.

Linda – Carbon Dioxide is not benign to human beings.
That’s why we exhale it. If you inhale too much of it, you
die of acidosis. Look up the Lake Nyos tragedy in
Cameroon (1988).

Horrible Horace – Voting is an adult activity. Don’t worry
about who’s in office, the UN, or anything political – until
you grow up.

dewstarpath

November 30th, 2009
12:44 pm

- Linda – Also, tetraethyl lead-based fuels were
largely discontinued in the 1970’s, due to concerns
about smog pollution.

dewstarpath

November 30th, 2009
12:47 pm

- F-105 – Excellent point about energy tech.
It clearly is the next wave. We can keep pace
or get left behind. It’s that simple.

Linda

November 30th, 2009
12:47 pm

According to costofwar.com, the Afghanistan War for 8 yrs. & the Iraq War for 7 yrs., 15 yrs. total have cost $937,542,400,000+. The costs of those wars as of 2/09 was about the same amount as the cost of the Economic Stimulus bill, $787,000,000,000, the most expensive bill ever passed in the history of our country, passed less than 3 wks. after the inauguration, in a matter of a few hrs., unread, when unemployment was 7.6%, with the promise that it would not exceed 8%, which is now 10.2%, unless you count the real number of people who are unemployed, which is about 17.5%, a bill that was never designed to stimulate the economy, hasn’t stimulated the economy & which has made the economy worse. It was a Dem celebration & its funds went to blue states & blue districts in red states.
Another amazing coincidence is that the cost of wars as of 2/09, the cost of the economic stimulus bill & the national debt to China are about the same.

dewstarpath

November 30th, 2009
12:48 pm

CORRECTION: The Lake Nyos tragedy was in 1986.

Peter

November 30th, 2009
1:17 pm

Hey Linda,

Your made up War costs……… similar to the actual made up Iraq war……… or US invasion of Iraq…… may be some what correct if the US actually had the money to pay for it…….but we are paying for it like a credit card, and you have not taken into account the wounded, and health care issues following the war.

Seems King Bush has been the only president in US history to start a war, and NOT raise taxes to pay for it…..

Yes he has been so irresponsible, he has given this debt to the next generation for his own and a few’s benefit.

Typical !

Chris Broe

November 30th, 2009
1:19 pm

Methane is a naturally occuring gas in our atmosphere, and in our blogosphere. It is 20 times more effective at trapping heat than Co2.

Is it a coincidence that a source of methane in our atmosphere is termites?

Churchill's MOM

November 30th, 2009
1:24 pm

I have been over to the political insider blog and there are actually people over there as stupid as DUKEFRAUD.

Linda

November 30th, 2009
1:26 pm

Dewstarpath, The 3 main emissions of a car engine, N2, CO2 & H2O are mostly benign. The other 3, CO, VOCs & NOx are toxic. The main purpose of a catalytic converter is the oxidation of CO to CO2.
Even too much oxygen will cause death.
When I mentioned lead in gas, I was trying to prove a point that it is more difficult today to die in a garage with a car running. It’s still possible but takes longer. My post @ 12:22 points out that the need for a car is unnecessary if the garage is sealed. My husband has a ‘69 car & was able to buy leaded gas from airports as long as he wanted to.
The point with all this is that CO2 is not a pollutant. It’s a harmless, non-toxic, good, pure, clean, natural, scarce, colorless, odorless gas & essential to our survival.

Peter

November 30th, 2009
1:33 pm

Linda……. just suck up the auto emissions from your car directly via a hose…..tell us how it works out for you.

There should be little to zero damage to you, according to your opinion….that will be great science !

Linda

November 30th, 2009
1:39 pm

Peter, thank you for the compliment, but I did not found the National Priorities Project & their costofwar.com website is not mine.
If I told you it was rainy & cloudy outside today, you would say I made that up, too.
If I told you that there is a body of Congress up there in Washington, DC that must vote on going to war, you would never, ever believe that.
Do you, by chance, watch MSNBC? Do you have a remote control?

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
1:42 pm

Peter, if God is made up then explain how nothing in the Bible has ever been proved wrong. Also, if God is made up then explain how the smallest details in the human body can’t be explained by evolution.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
1:44 pm

Peter, also, one thing that I am 100% confident of is where I am going to spend eternity.

No amount of evolution theory can explain the afterlife. The leading evolutionist, Christopher Hitchens, screwed up and said that he believes that we all came from aliens.

NOW THAT TAKES GREAT FAITH!!!! LOLOLOL

Truth Serum

November 30th, 2009
1:45 pm

First the email leaks from the Draconian AGW so-called scientists, and now this:

“SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years. The UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation. The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.”

Oh SUUUURRRRE. Just like everything else is mindless liberal land, probably some FACTS didn’t sit right and they had to be inconveniently deleted. Now THAT is what I call an inconvenient truth. These moonbats and other various left wing nuts are in a hurry to push through their fascist, capitalist-hating junk science into some sort of global team legislation. Naturally, anything that attacks capitalism is rooted in liberal left wing nut ideology.

The truth and facts always prevail in time. Just think, the Algorebots and moonbats nearly got away with the lies & distortions of the junk science known as man made global warming. Stupid sheep.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
1:47 pm

Peter, excuse me, Richard Dawkins is the leading evolutionist.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
1:49 pm

Peter, let me also ask you this. Do you ever question the people you follow? Meaning, Al Gore and Darwin. I question Christianity just like everyone else should. Nothing wrong with asking questions. It’s blind loyalty without facts that get people in trouble.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
1:58 pm

Hey Kyle, you should really check out this column on the Politico. It’s reallllllllllly interestin’.

7 stories Barack Obama doesn’t want told

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29993.html

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
2:00 pm

Peter @ 1:33, you’ve got a lot of nerve ranting on other people when here you are laughing and joking about Linda killing herself. Lot of nerve.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
2:01 pm

Churchill’s MOM, I’d weigh my Duke MBA against your UGA degree in pottery making any day. Dumb A$$.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
2:02 pm

Churchill’s MOM, sorry to hear about your “partner” leaving you for yet another bull dyke. I guess your Thanksgiving was full of late drunken tirades, huh?

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
2:06 pm

Churchill’s MOM, also, I think it’s funny and ironic that someone from UGA is calling someone from Duke, stupid. That’s like a garbage man or in your case garbage transexual, calling Steve Jobs an idiot.

LOL, you’re too funny Churchill’s MOM!

Linda

November 30th, 2009
2:12 pm

Peter, I just reported you. Suggesting that I try to commit suicide &/or harm myself is crossing the line. That was evil.

Ron Mexico

November 30th, 2009
2:12 pm

Linda – After reading all of these posts, you seem to be the only one who understands what comes out of the tailpipe of a car. That said, trees also release VOC’s, which combine with NOx to produce smog. So trees create pollution. We can make science say whatever we want it to say. There is nothing wrong with science, but remember that scientists are the lenses though which the world views it. Sometimes those lenses are out of focus.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
2:25 pm

Climate-cult con is hard to ‘bear’

When did global warming turn into a forced religion?

My daughter came home from school re cently with a spring in her step and a song on her lips. With no foreshadowing — or time to call an exorcist — out came this chilling refrain:

” . . . You can hear the warning — GLOBAL WARMING . . . ”

By the time her father and I removed our jaws from the floor, we had learned that:

A) All the kids had been coerced into singing this catchy ditty, which we called “The Warming Song,” at a concert for parents.

B) Further song lyrics scolded selfish adults (that would be us) for polluting our planet and causing a warming scourge that would, in no short order, kill all the polar bears and threaten the birds and bees.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/net_result_sure_beats_nut_revolt_qafIP4m2M9TAty2eLxyz5M

Chris Broe

November 30th, 2009
2:40 pm

The children still sing about another catastrophe that nobody took seriously: “Ring around the rosie…pockets full of posey…ashes, ashes, we all fall down!”

That my friends, was a little tiny outbreak of a insignificant viral infection.

It’s name was the Black Plague.

When the Right starts using Mother Goose sing-a-longs to make a scientific objection to this serious topic, then it’s time to start name calling.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
2:48 pm

Chris Broe,

Black plague happened in the 1340s.

Ring around the rosie originated in 1790.

Hardly a warning song.

NeverTrustARepublican

November 30th, 2009
2:53 pm

Linda,

You are proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Armed with a high school understanding of the earth sciences and a Palinesque common sense (crimeny, what a thing to wish for) you put forth the most absurd defense for ignoring climate change and our part in it I believe I;ve ever heard. The basics: yes, carbon dioxide is a natural gas and when in balance is not a threat. When it is released in amounts greater than can be handled through sinks (as opposed to sources, not the lovely designer one in your upstairs bathroom)it acts, as do others both natural and synthetic, in a greenhouse effect, trapping heat that would normally escape the atmosphere (word to look up: albedo). Hence, a warming trend. The problem becomes critical when we reach an atmospheric carbon concentration of over 350 ppm (that’s parts per million); right now we’re somewhere around 380 ppm. I don’t know if I can dumb that down any more. I’m sorry if that doesn’t fit with your politics or your religion or some sort of co-mingling of the two, but mostly I’m sorry that we have so many folks like you running their yap about things about which they know so little and even more that will listen to them and nod in agreement. We have a climate change problem but, more critically, we have a ’stupid yet loud’ problem.

Linda

November 30th, 2009
2:55 pm

Kyle, When I read the 1:33 post, I immediately hit the Report this Comment button for the first time. Thank you for your immediate response. I was not requesting the comment be removed. I agree with your decision to leave it up for public scrutiny.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
3:14 pm

NeverTrustARepublican, I have an MBA from Duke University. My father is a chemical engineer for a very large company based out of Atlanta. My wife is a general surgeon at the University of Chicago.

Care to argue with someone like me?

Oh and by the way, Palin is fantastic.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
3:19 pm

NeverTrustARepublican, if global warming is real, as you so modestly pronounced, then why “scientist” and politicians constantly change the name from global warming, to climate change to man-made global warming?

1: Scientists can’t decide what causes it and how to stop it.

2: Al Gore is a hypocritical moron who flunked out of divinity school at Vandy.

3: We have not had a major hurricane in 3 years.

4: The past two summers have been the coldest in over 30 years.

5: Climategate proves just how incredibly stupid and naive people like you really are.

NeverTrustARepublican

November 30th, 2009
3:22 pm

Wow, a business degree; how WILL I ever handle a science discussion with the likes of YOU! Maybe your dad or wife would be willing to help you out.

And, oh by the way, your last comment may be the dumbest one you’ve made yet, and that’s saying something. Your wife and my wife are both fantastic; Mrs. Palin is Anita Bryant, a bobblehead doll.

Pluto

November 30th, 2009
3:31 pm

Deutoronomy:”Go forth Christians and fill the World with hate and division”

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
3:33 pm

NeverTrustARepublican, which comment is dumb? I find it interesting that you didn’t answer one single question.

By the way, what scientific field do you work in? I would have gone into medicine but it didn’t pay well and doctors are spending more time in court than they are healing the sick.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
3:34 pm

Pluto, are you Peter perhaps? Maybe Churchill’s mom.

NeverTrustARepublican

November 30th, 2009
3:42 pm

Fraud,

So its the name that buds you? How deep. Okay, let’s call it Bob. Global warming caused the thically and/or mentally challenged among us to question why that would be so bad (you see it here, better ag, beah front property inland, ad nauseum) and isn’t as despriptive of what’s going on as climate change (another mouth breather complaint is the old caution of another ice age-’coolin’, warmin’, them dern scientist can’y make up their minds’ (your #3) when in reality one (warming) can trigger the other (massive cooling). Look up North Atlantic current as a project.

Al Gore’s a moron….good argument. They teach that at Duke?

Climategate proves that its all politics to people ill-equipped to understand the science.

NeverTrustARepublican

November 30th, 2009
3:45 pm

I’m a Geologist, Fraud. More specifically a Hydrogeologist. More specifically, an Environmental Hydrogeologist.

I would’ve played centerfield for the Yankees ‘cept it pays poorly and I like my summers free.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
3:46 pm

NeverTrustARepublican, buds me? Never heard that term before. Did they teach that at F U?

You wrote: Climategate proves that its all politics to people ill-equipped to understand the science.

No, that means that the global warming cult, which you obviously follow, has been uncovered as a fraud, like you.

Again, what is your scientific background?

Pluto

November 30th, 2009
3:54 pm

Corinthians:”He who dealt it smelt it, sayeth the Lord”

NeverTrustARepublican

November 30th, 2009
3:56 pm

Bugs, Fraud. My typing, like your grasp of this issue, is poor.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
4:00 pm

NeverTrustARepublican, how could I have a poor understanding of this subject when I am the one pointing out facts etc…? All you are doing is throwing out insults.

Bottom line: You don’t work in the scientific community and you never went to college.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
4:03 pm

NeverTrustARepublican, what is also funny is the fact that you are “acting” like an expert.

Christianity is the Devils Music

November 30th, 2009
4:06 pm

76% of violent criminals are Christian, they have been on the wrong side of history (slavery, women’s suffrage, science (World is flat, Sun revolves around Earth)) every time- they even dare call God’s children illegal, if it wasn’t so sad I’d laugh…..

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
4:07 pm

Christianity is the Devils Music, were you beaten as a kid?

JF McNamara

November 30th, 2009
4:10 pm

I’d trust a scientist over an opinion columnist or industry advocate with a vested interest anytime.

Who knows what the true impact of our carbon emmissions will be, but what we are doing to the environment is wrong. I don’t want to gamble the future of my kids because someone doubts a computer model they likely don’t understand.

O.J. got off because people didn’t understand/believe DNA. Cigarette companies gave people cancer because people were convinced didn’t believe they cause cancer by tobacco companies. Now were supposed to think global warning is just made up by evil scientist too. Give me a break.

NeverTrustARepublican

November 30th, 2009
4:12 pm

Fraud, what facts, that Al Gore is a moron? Who’s tossing insults? Wait, you mean fact about cold winters and hurricanes? I see, well who could argue with such a complete and overwheming data set as that?

I’m not an expert. What I am is a scientist in a related field with the background to read and understand journal articles written by those who are. Perhaps you should take the advice I gave to Kyle; write about something you know. Perhaps then you can be relevant to a discussion.

Chris Broe

November 30th, 2009
4:21 pm

Gentlemen. GENTLEMEN! We wont solve the question of man-made global warming today on this little blog. The idea is that Kyle set up this fertile topic so that we may all add our own personal greenhouse gas to it by blogging like the methane-puking termitic trolls we truly are.

I exclude myself, of course. I meant only to include repudlickan pudwits.

(I meant Republican Pundits)

.

not

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
4:21 pm

NeverTrustARepublican, again, avoid my questions and change the subject. Nice.

God's Pro-Choice

November 30th, 2009
4:25 pm

Moses 31:17:”Now, therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by ling with him:

Oops even Jesus make mistakes

November 30th, 2009
4:26 pm

“lying” as in sleeping or porking

NeverTrustARepublican

November 30th, 2009
4:30 pm

Fraud, what question have I avoided? My scientific background? Answered at 3:45.

dewstarpath

November 30th, 2009
4:44 pm

NTAR, Thanks for mentioning sinks (even though
based on the comments, it will fall on deaf ears).

The oceans are the largest sinks of CO2, which
pose a problem for metropolitan areas that are in
land-locked interiors. Without sufficient carbon
sequestration, either man-made (chemical scrubbing
or pumping it into the ground) or natural (trees and
ocean sinking), these areas will most likely continue
to have problems, because the sequestration
process will only affect future CO2 levels, and not
current levels.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
4:44 pm

NeverTrustARepublican, whatever you say pal.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
4:45 pm

dewstarpath and NeverTrustARepublican, I am guessing that you both believe in evolution. If so then why do either of you care? It’s not like anyone can fix what’s already set in motion.

Churchill's MOM

November 30th, 2009
4:52 pm

DUKEFRAUD.. have you forgot the fool you made of yourself on Wooten’s blog when a real Duke Graduate asked you hall & street names. Face it you are a loser not a DUKE grad.

NeverTrustARepublican

November 30th, 2009
4:55 pm

Fraud, what could evolution possibly have to do with this? Or, is this something else you ‘feel’ is fraudulent?

Churchill's MOM

November 30th, 2009
4:56 pm

DUKEFRAUD…didn’t you have a law degree from DUKE on the Wooten blog? Strange how your memory has slipped, of course you could post your transcript for all of us to see.

Fraud's Momma

November 30th, 2009
4:58 pm

David, suppers ready get off that computer gizmo and wash your face time to pray for the rapture

Linda

November 30th, 2009
4:59 pm

Never@2:53, I have a Bachelor of Science degree from one of the largest universities in the southeastern US. Being a scientist, let alone a climatologist, or having a science degree is unnecessary to form an opinion as to global warming. (It certainly did not hold Al Gore back.) We just need to use common sense & logic.
Too much oxygen will kill you.
With advancements in science, we’ve been drilling for decades into the ice cores for almost 4000 miles. We know that CO2, dust & temperatures have been rising & falling together for hundreds of thousands of years. CO2 levels are the same today as they have been many times in history.
Global warming might be occurring. So what? If it is, it’s probably because we’re still coming out of an interglacial period (ice age) & that CO2 levels will also rise regardless of human activity. If we try to reduce CO2, it’s likely to have little or no effect. Volcanoes erupt every day, year in & year out, & emit just as much CO2 in a day as all the cars in the US in a year. Unfortunately, we have no alternative source of fuel, no way to reduce our emissions. Until we do, trading around in cap & trade will accomplish nothing.
Obama stated that the passage of the Cap & Trade Tax bill will cause our energy bills to SKYROCKET, which includes our homes & cars as well as every building & vehicle in American. All the goods & services we buy will SKYROCKET. FOR WHAT?
I don’t know about you, but I’m not willing to watch our economy collapse on a pipe dream & a hoax.
Cap & trade will not lower our emissions. The alternate sources of energy the fed govt propose don’t work but they won’t allow the ones that do, for purely political & financial reasons. This is the greatest scam in the history of our country.
The only politicians I trust less than the ones in DC are the ones in the UN. The UN’s Environment Program & their Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) & these scientists (whose statistics you quoted) who have been cooking their books & reporting their “findings” to them for the last 13 years are the most corrupt politicians in the world. The Kyoto Protocol, if Obama signs it, will transfer our sovereignty over to them.
I could cite numerous examples of the inefficiencies & ineffectiveness of the fed govt. People who think that politicians can predict & control the weather are the ones who are stupid.
If you really want to know about the weather, ask a farmer or go directly to his source, the Farmers Almanac, which is reliable & nonpolitical.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
5:12 pm

Churchill’s MOM wrote:DUKEFRAUD.. have you forgot the fool you made of yourself on Wooten’s blog when a real Duke Graduate asked you hall & street names. Face it you are a loser not a DUKE grad.

Oh you mean Jackie? Yeah Churchill’s MOM, if you had been paying attention, I answered all of Jackies asinine questions about what buildings classes were held in etc..

Bottom line: You are sad sack of horse crap who hasn’t the ability to carry on an adult conversation. It must truly suck to be you.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
5:13 pm

Churchill’s MOM, law degree? No moron, I never said anything about a law degree.

Bottom line: I WROTE THAT I EARNED MY MBA FROM DUKE UNIVERSITY.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
5:15 pm

NeverTrustARepublican, what does it have to do with global warming? Well science guy, if you believe in evolution then you would realize that nature wipes out what it wants. Nothing you can do about it.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
5:18 pm

Churchill’s MOM, I always love how high school drop outs, such as yourself, like to try and make fun of people who don’t share your views.

Again, I am so sorry that you got rejected by every major university in America.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
5:22 pm

Churchill’s MOM, I know that menopause has messed with your feeble mind but that person that you refer to on Wooten’s blog never claimed to have gone to Duke. Jackie, the person you are referring to, said that she went to a school in North Carolina. Also, why don’t you go back on Wooten’s blog and find just where I said that I had a law degree. You won’t find it because I never said it.

The only loser I see on this blog besides the idiots who make up retarded names like Fraud’s Momma, is you. Not only have you not contributed to any conversation, but you have stupidly accused me of lying about Duke. You are a disgustingly screwed up individual.

NeverTrustARepublican

November 30th, 2009
5:27 pm

Linda, I’ll try this point by point lest I be accused of ignoring questions:

-’I have a Bachelor of Science degree from one of the largest universities in the southeastern US. ‘ So you’ve said, repeatedly. And?

-’Too much oxygen will kill you’ Thanks. And?

-Yeah, I’m a bit familiar with ice cores, thanks. Perhaps reading this will help:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11659-climate-myths-ice-cores-show-co2-increases-lag-behind-temperature-rises-disproving-the-link-to-global-warming.html

-Ah, the Limbaugh Volcano Canard- we can’t do much to control how much volcanos release can we? The system tends to handle the natural emmissins, with excpetions, rather well. What it likely can’t handle is the anthroprogenic overloading. Rush and his sources are a poor way to get information.
-We don’t have alternatives because we haven’t felt the urgency to find them. Articles like Kyle’s and ostriches such as yourself are not helping.
-I don’t like cap and trade either; I think its a political band aid.
=Wow, UN distrust from a conservative. Shocking. No, you’re right, its all a Socialist plot to destroy America. Its in our handbook. Feel better?
-The Farmer’s Almanac. Really. I’ll just let that nugget stand on its own.

Churchill's MOM

November 30th, 2009
5:27 pm

Dukefraud.. truth hurts doesn’t it.. Go to bed little boy or girl, which ever you are.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
5:31 pm

Churchill’s MOM, yes truth hurts. You’d know because I just debunked your lame attempt at smearing me. What a moron you are!

Speaking of bed, I bet it hurt you to the core to find your “partner” in bed with another bull dyke. Poor whittle MOM!

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
5:32 pm

NeverTrustARepublican, why do you care about global warming? It’s not like you can do anything about it.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
5:33 pm

Churchill’s MOM, having a hard time finding evidence of your claims about me and a Duke law degree?

NeverTrustARepublican

November 30th, 2009
5:35 pm

‘Well science guy, if you believe in evolution then you would realize that nature wipes out what it wants. Nothing you can do about it.’

I’m almost struck speechless by the stupidity of that comment. So, if you mix arsenic instead of sugar in your coffee, is your death a matter of natural selection? Seriously, are you a grown man? How?

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
5:36 pm

This sums up crack heads like Churchill’s MOM and NeverTrust:

A friendly chat with the global warming evangelist who lives in my head

Hello, hyperventilating zealot.

Greetings, denialist scum.

Now that we’ve dispensed with the formalities, please allow me to point and laugh at you. Ahem. Ha ha ha! Point point point!

Shut up.

That’s what you’d like me to do. That’s what you’d like all of us to do. Shut our mouths and open our wallets. Did you really think it was going to be so easy?

This doesn’t prove anything.

What doesn’t?

You know.

We both do. I just want to hear you say it.

This Clim… This Climateguh. Guh.

That’s it, almost there.

This Climategate garbage doesn’t mean anything! You science-denying neocon fascist racist warmongering planet-raping… [Goes on like this for a bit]

My goodness. Feel better?

No.

Well, I do. OMG, can you believe Obama changed his mind about going to Copenhagen after all this stuff came out? It’s like sprinting to board your ship at the last minute, and it’s the Titanic.

You’re the Titanic. You are.

Should we do this some other time? You’re making even less sense than usual.

Do you really think you know more than scientists? They’re scientists.

Yes, and science is a wonderful thing. It’s improved our lives in countless ways. It also has nothing to do with what these frauds, and the useful idiots who believed them, have been pulling.

How would you know?

It goes on and on.

http://jimtreacher.com/archives/002138.html

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
5:37 pm

NeverTrustARepublican, it must really hurt you that people don’t believe in your global warming religion.

Invisible Man in Sky

November 30th, 2009
5:43 pm

He (fraudulent duke grad) whoeth crackith up on blog must livith in Momma’s basement playing on electronic mailer, come up stairs suppa’s ready son….

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
5:46 pm

Invisible Man in Sky, speaking of your mom, she owes Churchill’s MOM a lot of money. Just saying.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
5:48 pm

Invisible Man in Sky aka ChurchhillsMOM aka NeverTrustARepublican is a sad sack of horse dung.

dewstarpath

November 30th, 2009
5:48 pm

- Axelfraud –
I was discussing whether or not CO2 was dangerous –
not if evolution is fact or fiction. I don’t argue with non –
scientists on that issue, and I refuse to do it on a “blog”.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
5:49 pm

dewstarpath, wasn’t arguing with you. Just wanted to know if you believed in evolution.

dewstarpath

November 30th, 2009
6:11 pm

- OK.

David Axelfraud

November 30th, 2009
6:26 pm

Churchill’s MOM, still waiting on the supposed evidence you have about a law degree. Crickets…….chirp……..chirp………

Jesus is a False Messiah

November 30th, 2009
6:47 pm

What if God was one of us, just a slob like one of us, sittin’ on the Marta bus tryin’ to make her way home….

Linda

November 30th, 2009
7:06 pm

Never,
* I’ve mentioned my degree only one other time.
* You said CO2 isn’t a threat when in balance. Neither is oxygen.
* ice cores: glad you agree
* Limbaugh: I unfortunately am unable to listen to his program & am totally unfamiliar with anything he has ever said about volcanoes.
* alternatives: We should have them in place BEFORE we punish Americans for not using them. As I said, there are alternatives that work but the DC bunch are pursuing the ones that don’t. The urgency to limit our dependence on foreign oil has been “around” for decades, but our environment seems to be more important than our national security & economy. We have a self-imposed ban on drilling for our own oil to “save our planet,” but buy our oil from other “planets,” primarily Canada & Mexico. Is that common sense? Nuclear energy is the cleanest, most reliable source of energy. We spent $13 B & 30 yrs. developing the Yucca Mt. nuclear waste site & for 25 yrs. collected tens of billions of $ from rate payers for the cost of disposing of nuclear waste from 104 nuclear power plants, which, by law, the fed gov is obligated to accept. The feds have paid out over $600 M in legal settlements & expect to pay another $11 B on top of that to keep from opening it. There’s 60,000 tons of accumulated nuclear waste at these plants, growing by 2000 tons per yr., in pools & above-ground concrete containers. Ditto national security. Obama just scrapped the entire project, resulting in the greatest waste of taxpayer $ in history. Not only will there be no more nuclear power plants, but existing ones will need to be shut down. Who did you say was the ostrich?
* socialism: You agreed that the UN ploy is socialist. Does that mean that you agree the Dem ploy is also socilism?
* Farmer’s Almanac: Farmers can’t afford to err on weather predictions & have the common sense to rely on factual information, not politicians.
One more thing. I was raised as a Dem because my parents were Dems. I’m still a registered Dem. I’ve voted both Dem & Rep. I don’t align myself with any political party any longer. You call yourself Never Trust a Republican which insinuates that you Always Trust a Democrat. You are a fool to trust any professional politician.

NeverTrustARepublican

November 30th, 2009
9:36 pm

Linda,

*At least twice. It remains irrelevant and rather sad that you think otherwise.
*And?
*I don’t. Again, reading comprehension.
*Some of us want to reduce our dependence on oil period. Not domestic, not foreign, all. Whom do you think DOESN’Tt want that?
*A little more informed on Yucca that you, dearheart (hydrogeology, after all, is what scrapped it and I know some of the people who worked on it). It was a dumb idea from the start and should’ve been dead on conception.
*Again, reading comprehension or, in this case, recognition of sarcasm.
*We’re talking about something a bit more complicarted than when its going to rain.At least I am.
*Your history and opinion of whom I should? I’ll consider the source.

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