More on those climate emails
Complete with a new name: Climaquiddick.
To get up to speed if you haven’t been following this story closely, here’s my post on it yesterday. Short version: A large batch of data from one of the world’s leading climate science centers was released on the Internet last week; this includes thousands of emails and other documents that reveal scientists at the center — people who have been intimately involved in the reports of the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change — may have been manipulating their data, and certainly intended to foil Freedom of Information requests and keep contrarian researchers out of peer-review journals if possible.
The focus on the story has turned from the emails the scientists exchanged to the computer code their center was using to produce its data sets, which have been an integral part of the IPCC’s reports. Declan McCullagh at CBS News reports some of the findings so far:
One programmer highlighted the error of relying on computer code that, if it generates an error message, continues as if nothing untoward ever occurred. Another debugged the code by pointing out why the output of a calculation that should always generate a positive number was incorrectly generating a negative one. A third concluded: “I feel for this guy. He’s obviously spent years trying to get data from undocumented and completely messy sources.”
Programmer-written comments inserted into CRU’s Fortran code have drawn fire as well. The file briffa_sep98_d.pro says: “Apply a VERY ARTIFICAL correction for decline!!” and “APPLY ARTIFICIAL CORRECTION.” Another, quantify_tsdcal.pro, says: “Low pass filtering at century and longer time scales never gets rid of the trend – so eventually I start to scale down the 120-yr low pass time series to mimic the effect of removing/adding longer time scales!”
At Pajamas Media, which has been producing some of the most in-depth coverage of this story, Charlie Martin examines the code further and concludes:
[P]ut this in the context of what else we know from the CRU data dump:
1. They didn’t want to release their data or code, and they particularly weren’t interested in releasing any intermediate steps that would help someone else
2. They clearly have some history of massaging the data — hell, practically water-boarding the data — to get it to fit their other results. Results they can no longer even replicate on their own systems.
3. They had successfully managed to restrict peer review to what we might call the “RealClimate clique” — the small group of true believers they knew could be trusted to say the right things.
As a result, it looks like they found themselves trapped. They had the big research organizations, the big grants — and when they found themselves challenged, they discovered they’d built their conclusions on fine beach sand.
But the tide was coming in.
Even if the CRU crew are only guilty of promising more than they could deliver, that’s still a hugely important turn of events in the climate-change debate — and reason enough to put the policy debate on pause while this new information is sorted out.
Finally, on a more humorous note, check out this video created for Minnesotans for Global Warming by the folks at JibJab.com:
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Peter
November 25th, 2009
10:19 am
Funny stuff Kyle !
Get out there and cut down all the trees in your neighbor hood …… be an activist !
Kyle Wingfield
November 25th, 2009
10:38 am
Peter: Thanks for avoiding the meat of the topic. Why not just try “first”?
jconservative
November 25th, 2009
10:42 am
“The University of East Anglia has released statements from Prof Trevor Davies, Pro-Vice-Chancellor for Research, Prof Phil Jones, head of the Climatic Research Unit, and from CRU.
Statement from Professor Trevor Davies, Pro-Vice-Chancellor, Research
The publication of a selection of the emails and data stolen from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) has led to some questioning of the climate science research published by CRU and others. There is nothing in the stolen material which indicates that peer-reviewed publications by CRU, and others, on the nature of global warming and related climate change are not of the highest-quality of scientific investigation and interpretation. CRU’s peer-reviewed publications are consistent with, and have contributed to, the overwhelming scientific consensus that the climate is being strongly influenced by human activity. The interactions of the atmosphere, oceans, land, and ice mean that the strongly-increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere do not produce a uniform year-on-year increase in global temperature. On time-scales of 5-10 years, however, there is a broad scientific consensus that the Earth will continue to warm, with attendant changes in the climate, for the foreseeable future. It is important, for all countries, that this warming is slowed down, through substantial reductions in greenhouse gas emissions to reduce the most dangerous impacts of climate change. Respected international research groups, using other data sets, have come to the same conclusion.
The University of East Anglia and CRU are committed to scientific integrity, open debate and enhancing understanding. This includes a commitment to the international peer-review system upon which progress in science relies. It is this tried and tested system which has underpinned the assessments of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. It is through that process that we can engage in respectful and informed debate with scientists whose analyses appear not to be consistent with the current overwhelming consensus on climate change.”
Peter
November 25th, 2009
10:43 am
So Kyle the meat is about what ?
What do you have to say about Obama going to the climate summit ?
jtom
November 25th, 2009
10:47 am
Regardless of the ‘innocence’ of the hacked emails and programmer’s notes, clearly the muddled mess of the data (the programmer can’t figure out what files are what, what the right dates are, where some files are, which instrument station is which) screams that the results could not possibly generate results that are correct to a tenth of a degree globally – for any time period.
It can easily be inferred that the CRU scientists knew of the poor quality control of the data, considering the great lengths they went to hide it from review.
That these ’scientists’ claimed they could produce the results they published, with the uncertainty levels as low as they presented, is fraud all by itself.
The data these guys used became the basis and assumptions of many studies researched and produced by dozens of ethical, honest climate scientists around the world. All of their work is now tainted….and they are mad. Angry, too, are all the scientists who could not get published in peer-review literature because their conclusions were ‘not consistant with’ AGW.
Some people are facing a very big fall. Those on the periphery need to start coming clean to salvage their reputations.
Kyle Wingfield
November 25th, 2009
10:49 am
It’s not surprising. At this point, I can’t imagine that they will come up with anything meaningful in Copenhagen — probably a promise to come up with a plan — so if I were him I would skip it. But I won’t fault him for it the way I did his trip to the Olympics meeting in Copenhagen.
Jimmy62
November 25th, 2009
10:49 am
I’d say that, if nothing else, this should put to rest the idea that there’s any sort of scientific “consensus” on man-made global warming. And considering most of the scientists backing man-made global warming base at least some of their research on data from the East Anglia institute, making ANY laws based on this junk science would be the height of irresponsibility.
I guess some might call me a global warming denier. That’s not so. I merely want it researched more, as it seems like we were basing a major restructuring of the entire world on inconclusive data backed by science we hardly understand, and certainly haven’t mastered. So now that a lot of it turns out to be fake science, let’s open this up for real debate. Let’s get some solid data, have some reliable models created, and see what’s going on. And throw out any data that ever came from East Anglia, as it cannot be trusted.
Time for real debate and discussion, and time to ignore Gore, as he bases everything he says on data from East Anglia.
AGW Leftist Criminals
November 25th, 2009
10:56 am
The Scam Artists are in full panic and damage control mode. Entire careers are on the line and this causes extreme panic and stress for those who have now been caught. How stupid can they be to think they would not eventually be exposed?
They misled the entire planet. This is the exact same thing as the so-called bad and cooked intelligence for the Iraq war. The Left thinks its free to cook false data.
The Left is WRONG. So many people have bought into this lie through stupidity and trust in the “integrity” of “science”. Here’s a clue – so called “scientists” on the Left can be just as crooked as anyone else. They are not heroes. They are not saints. They are greedy, lying, petty little left wing dweebs who have now been caught RED handed.
hose who have said all along this is bogus are the heroes.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
11:01 am
Hey……AGW Leftist Criminals Please go our side and cut down all the trees in your yard……That should keep your yard cool !
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
11:05 am
Peter, are you a vegetarian?
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
11:06 am
I treat global warming like I treat my in-laws. Avoid it at all cost and it will go away like the pet rock, the 8 track and Beta player. Rock on!
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
11:07 am
AGW Leftist Criminals, I guess Owl Gore and Tim Robbins will have to stick to acting. It’s what they do best.
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
11:09 am
Peter, hypocrite much?
You’ve been on Kyle’s blogs just as long as I have. Is your life partner out winning the bread?
Peter
November 25th, 2009
11:12 am
David eat your vegetables, and love your in-laws……don’t let your wife see what you wrote, or you may go hunrgy !
Jefferson
November 25th, 2009
11:12 am
Sometimes I think some of you folks only care about money and how you can get more.
Chris Broe
November 25th, 2009
11:16 am
Looks bad for global warming. But I think I can save the bumper sticker:
I wont vote GOP because of global war mongering.
Jimmy62
November 25th, 2009
11:20 am
Jefferson: You mean like Al Gore, who has profited more off global warming alarmism than anyone else in the world, while increasing his own carbon footprint?
Peter
November 25th, 2009
11:20 am
SO…… Kyle IF ALL the trees were cut down…….. nothing bad would happen ?
Would the earth get colder then ?
Peter
November 25th, 2009
11:22 am
Hey Jimmy62 …….doesn’t Al Gore have solar on his house ?
Peter
November 25th, 2009
11:26 am
Hey Kyle…….what do you make of this ?
The Arctic ice cap has collapsed at an unprecedented rate this summer and levels of sea ice in the region now stand at record lows, scientists have announced.
Experts say they are “stunned” by the loss of ice, with an area almost twice as big as the UK disappearing in the last week alone.
So much ice has melted this summer that the Northwest passage across the top of Canada is fully navigable, and observers say the Northeast passage along Russia’s Arctic coast could open later this month.
If the increased rate of melting continues, the summertime Arctic could be totally free of ice by 2030.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/sep/04/climatechange
Jimmy62
November 25th, 2009
11:28 am
Peter: Al Gore’s house spits out far more carbon and uses far more energy per square foot than the average home. And add to that the fact that he flies around the world in private jets (HUGE carbon footprint) going from speech to speech polluting the world with more carbon and more bullshit, and what you have is a major hypocrite. If he was serious about all of this, and not just increasing his bank account, why doesn’t he hold big speeches over the internet instead of taking a private jet?
Jimmy62
November 25th, 2009
11:30 am
Hey Peter, when did anyone but you mention trees? As far as the ice, would it surprise you to learn that there was even less of it during the middle ages? Did the world fall apart when it warmer in the medieval warming period than the worst estimates of global warming put the Earth at in 100 years? Do actual facts make your brain hurt?
Peter
November 25th, 2009
11:33 am
Hey Jimmy62….. We are all talking about Man made Global warming ..are we not ?
Cutting down the trees is part of that scenario is it not ?
Please tell us who went to the arctic, and antarctic in the medieval warming period and mapped the ice there ?
I would love to read about the expedition !
JA
November 25th, 2009
11:40 am
From looking at some of the data and papers, itseems to me that these guys were mixing ordinal and nominal data sets at will without regard for sound mathematical principles. This is just plain bad science and not being careful.
The mathematical flaw is just one of about two dozen unsound scientific activities that these people were undertaking.
Chris Broe
November 25th, 2009
11:45 am
Is there one honest scientist left?
Was science always partisan?
Chris Broe
November 25th, 2009
11:50 am
CNN just reported that Sarah Palin is writing a second book about free government cheese: “Going Roguefort”.
Linda
November 25th, 2009
12:13 pm
Peter, According to the Nashville Electric Service, Al Gore’s average electric bill in ‘06 was $1359 per mt. According to the Nashville Gas Co., Al Gore’s average gas bill in ‘06 was $1080 per mt. His total electric & gas bills were $29,268 in ‘06 & $31,512 in ‘05. These are 20 times higher than the national average.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
November 25th, 2009
12:21 pm
The party’s over. Tell the last enviro-nut to turn off the lights when he leaves.
Linda
November 25th, 2009
12:26 pm
Peter, Obama said that if the Climate Change bill passes, it would cause our utility bills to skyrocket. That’s the word he used. The increases in utility bills of every company who uses energy would be passed on to you & I, the consumer. Everything we buy would skyrocket, according to the pres.
Do you believe in global warming?
If you believe in global warming, do you believe it it caused by man or nature?
If you believe in global warming & believe it is caused by man, do you believe it is harmful or harmless?
If you believe in global warming, believe it’s caused by man & is harmful, would you be willing to give up your life as you know it, pay twice as much for goods & services & risk our country go into a deep depression? What ARE you personally willing to sacrifice?
Peter
November 25th, 2009
12:28 pm
Hey Linda…… Gore’s has a big house, it has solar, and other energy saving features.
I would bet his house ig much bigger than the national average..maybe 20 times bigger ?
So did you cur all your trees down in your yard to keep it cool ?
Peter
November 25th, 2009
12:34 pm
Hey Linda I think it would be great to be off the grid !
I think America in general needs solar, and green energy. I think that should be a priority.
Donmen
November 25th, 2009
12:36 pm
Global warming is caused by the sun.
And to answer the question who would i sacrifice for the idea humans are somehow responsible?
All of those who believe that… Period
Peter
November 25th, 2009
12:39 pm
Hey Donmen “Global warming is caused by the sun.”……….HA HA HA……great stuff !
Jimmy62
November 25th, 2009
12:40 pm
Hey Peter: I no more went back to the middle ages to measure ice cover than these scientists went back to get the temperature estimates they are basing their global warming theories on. If my evidence isn’t admissible, then neither is their’s, by the same standard.
Not many people are talking about deforestation as a major contributor to global warming, thus again I don’t know why you brought it up.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
12:47 pm
Hey Jimmy62……… “Not many people are talking about deforestation as a major contributor to global warming, thus again I don’t know why you brought it up.”
I really think it has allot to do with global warming….. along with large black roof tops and large asphalt parking lots…….
Jake
November 25th, 2009
12:49 pm
The point is cap and trade will be yet another costly government intervention in what’s left of the free market economy and won’t lower worldwide temperatures 0.1 C.
Joan
November 25th, 2009
12:57 pm
There is money to be made by academia and other “think tanks”–those mossy liberals–in government research grants and contracts so long as the “global warming’ myth continues. It is also just another way for our government to figure out a way to tax you for drawing breath. It is all a great big, expensive hoax and Americans will suffer for it. You better believe the real polluters like China won’t give it a moment’s thought. They won’t pi.. off their money on this kind of stuff.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
12:57 pm
Jake…..do you suppose the energy companies, and corporations in general will just do the “Right Thing ” when it comes to energy and pollution ?
Linda
November 25th, 2009
12:58 pm
Peter@11:33, The global warming theory was supposed to based on science. It was more complicated than using a thermometer & a Fyrite device. You would be surprised how far science has come. Scientists have been drilling holes in the ice in Antarctica & Greenland for decades up to 3623 miles deep that record past environmental conditions stretching back 740,000 years covering up to 8 glacial periods. There’s proof that oxygen, methane, CO2, dust & temperatures rise & fall together & have been for hundreds of thousands of years.
Steve
November 25th, 2009
12:59 pm
Peter,
I believe the point Linda was trying to make is…Al Gore, considers himself to be champion of the Global Warming cause. Why wouldn’t he live in a resident where the energy footprint to cool/heat it would be much smaller. If he can make that happen in a large house, then great (but he certainly doesn’t seem to be). But for him to stand infront of the rest of the world lamenting the woes of Global Warming while his home uses huge amounts of electrical and gas energy seems very disingenious.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
1:00 pm
Gee Joan………have you been paying attention to the Solar sector in the stock market ?
China is one of if not the the largest promoter of Solar power today, and they have many projects in the works.
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
1:02 pm
Peter, that lovely lie of an article was from 2007. TWO YEARS AGO! Lots of things have changed in two years.
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
1:03 pm
Peter, also, you sure do know how to put your foot in your mouth. You whined about me commenting too much and here you are………doing the exact same thing.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
1:04 pm
Hey David……. Got Milk ?
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
1:04 pm
Peter, HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAH!!!!!!!!!! China is the largest promoter of solar power? WOW! You win the “moron of the day” award. I’ve been to Beijing twice this year…….didn’t see any solar power anywhere in those factories.
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
1:06 pm
Oh, and Peter, you totally missed my point about meat. You eat meat. Meat comes from dead animals. So quite crying like a little girl about monkeys and wolves.
Eskimos kill wolves. Why don’t you go up to Alaska and tell them not to kill wolves. Can’t wait to hear about the spear in your gut!
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
1:06 pm
Hey Peter…………..Got brain? Nope.
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
1:07 pm
Peter, let me ask you one simple question. It’s a yes or no question.
Do you like the idea of communism?
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
1:10 pm
Peter
Hey Donmen “Global warming is caused by the sun.”……….HA HA HA……great stuff !
Peter, wow, I simply don’t know how to answer this. What warms the Earth? THE SUN!
Linda
November 25th, 2009
1:11 pm
Peter@12:28, I think you’re getting Al Gore’s house & George Bush’s houses mixed up. Bush’s house is the one with the geothermal heat-pump that uses water (some from his roof) to heat it in the winter & cool it in the summer. Bush uses no fossil fuels to heat & cool.
No, Gore’s house does have solar panels. If he did (which he doesn’t), based on his utility bills, they ain’t working!
White People
November 25th, 2009
1:12 pm
Obama’s Approval Slide Finds Whites Down to 39%
Support has declined much more among whites than among nonwhites
PRINCETON, NJ — Since the start of his presidency, U.S. President Barack Obama’s approval rating has declined more among non-Hispanic whites than among nonwhites, and now, fewer than 4 in 10 whites approve of the job Obama is doing as president.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124484/Obama-Approval-Slide-Finds-Whites-Down-39.aspx
Peter
November 25th, 2009
1:12 pm
Hey David……Please with your silly behavior ! Kyle may have to spank you yet again !
Peter
November 25th, 2009
1:14 pm
Wrong Linda……. Al’s house does have solar panels !
I did read that George’s house is much smaller, and does have what you claim.
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
1:14 pm
Linda, Gore is the biggest of all hypocrites. The guy has 20 SUV’s parked in his driveway. He flies around on a 747 and then tells everyone else how to live.
Bottom line: Liberals = do as I say not as I do.
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
1:15 pm
Peter, oh boy, I’m sure you know all about being spanked.
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
1:15 pm
Peter, Do you like the idea of communism?
Peter
November 25th, 2009
1:17 pm
Funny stuff David……. what was the topic ?
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
1:18 pm
Peter, Do you like the idea of communism? It’s a simple yes or no question.
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
1:20 pm
Peter, I think it’s funny that you get your scientific information on the weather from a guy who has never held a position in the scientific community. It’s like going to President Acorn and asking him how to fly a plane.
Jefferson
November 25th, 2009
1:25 pm
Jimmy, I could care 2 flips about Gore and his wealth.
Somewhere there is a balance, but we won’t find it in my lifetime. That too is not the end of the rainbow.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
1:27 pm
David…..what are you talking about ? Please enlighten the viewers !
Linda
November 25th, 2009
1:28 pm
Peter@12:34, Did you know that Suntech Power Holdings has the largest solar panel installation in the US & that it is a Chinese company? Did you know the US company, First Solar, is building the world’s largest solar power plant, in China?
Did you know “green” light bulbs can’t be tossed in the garbage, that they had to be disposed of in hazardous waste facilities & that if you break one you could become ill?
Did you know the batteries for electric cars are filled with the same nasty corrosive carcinogenic ooze that standard car batteries use & that electric cars still have to be charged with electricity which uses coal?
Linda
November 25th, 2009
1:30 pm
Peter@12:39, Have you ever gotten a tan or a sunburn & not known how it happened?
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
1:33 pm
Peter @ 1:27, be specific. I asked you a few questions that you never answered.
One, do you like the idea of communism? It’s a very simple yes or no question.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
1:35 pm
Linda……….Yes……Peter@12:34, Did you know that Suntech Power Holdings has the largest solar panel installation in the US & that it is a Chinese company? Did you know the US company, First Solar, is building the world’s largest solar power plant, in China?
I enjoyed the gains with Canadian Solar this year so far…….another Chinese company that has headquarters in Canada.
So I follow the entire sector.
This is not a correct statement……..”electric cars still have to be charged with electricity which uses coal?”
Linda
November 25th, 2009
1:36 pm
Peter@12:47, I don’t think deforestation is as much of a problem in the US as it is in third world countries. Obama’s climate czar recommended people paint their roofs white? How does yours look? What color is your driveway or parking lot?
Peter
November 25th, 2009
1:37 pm
David, there is nothing about communism that interest me.
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
1:39 pm
Peter, thank you for answering my question. I just needed to know your thoughts on the subject.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
1:40 pm
Linda my driveway is made of concrete……so off white I would say…….
Yes I did read about that…….painting of the roofs white…….great idea, I actually mentioned it about a year ago on the Whooten blog, and now they are saying it….. sound advice keeps buildings cooler, and a great idea in general.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
1:41 pm
David…..there has been so much death do to communism, the thought revolts me.
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
1:45 pm
Peter, yeah true. Anyway, look, I would take climate change a bit more seriously if people like Al Gore were not leading the charge. He’s a politician plain and simple and has made billions off of this stuff. The Farmers Almanac is the only true source of weather predictions and is right year after year after year. No one can say that we will all die from rising sea levels or hurricanes. The Earth has changed on its own for 1000s of years. The problem with Al Gore is that he and his ilk can not agree on what causes it or how to combat it. First it was cars, then it was cow farts and now it’s meat.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
1:55 pm
David you are a funny guy……. I think Al Gore really has gotten to you !
There are others out there I am sure as well…… including everyday citizens, who want the world to be a better place.
I would say take all with a grain of salt….there are always good ideas, and wacky ideas thrown around.
Linda is correct as well talking about the trees……..in the US and the tree farmers in general have been doing a great job of replanting.
I really enjoy living in Sandy Springs, because when I look outside I have huge trees in the yard. Gotta love the old subdivisions !
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
1:58 pm
Peter, well I try. Anyway, Gore is the one who has led the charge. I admire people like Leo Dicaprio and Ed Bagely Jr. who practice what they preach in regards to that lifestyle. I don’t agree with them on a lot of things but I respect that they are not out there ordering people to do this and that. I’m all for recycling and saving on gas consumption. I live in Chicago and take public transportation when I can. I ride my bike in the summer because the rest of the year it’s too cold to do so.
Linda
November 25th, 2009
2:04 pm
Steve@12:59, Don’t forget Gore’s private 1977 twin engine Gulfstream g2b2. When he flies it to CA, rather than taking a commercial flight, he uses 55,000 lbs. of CO2 each way, compared to a car which would have used only 1800 lbs.
Oh, & don’t forget his zinc mine.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
2:06 pm
Chicago is a great city wow I love that place……..I did business for quite a few years with a great company up there, and we went to Taste of Chicago, as well as Summer Fest in Milwaukee.
We saw Stevie Ray Vaughn, Squeeze and Fleetwood Mac amongst other bands……what a great day that was !
It was really hot that 4th of July, maybe 101….. Stayed with a buddy at the Presidential towers.
We also went to Kingston Mines……. a very cool club.
Linda
November 25th, 2009
2:09 pm
Peter, My comment @ 1:11 was supposed to say that Gore’s house does NOT have solar energy.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
2:09 pm
Linda …….you are really pulling at straws now with the jet……there are lots of companies that have or rent private jets for business !
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
2:12 pm
Peter, there is nowhere I would rather be than in Chicago from July to September. Amazing weather and lots of energy. I live in the Lake View area near Wrigleyville and it is awesome to walk to Cubs games. I love the Braves but Cubs fans love their team. Taste of Chicago is fun but it gets very crowded and the prices are ridiculous. But still, it’s great.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
2:13 pm
Here you go Linda…and excerpt……
Now 33 solar panels have been installed on the mansion’s roof, and are expected to generate 6,570 kilowatt hours of electricity a year. The Gores have been trying to put them up for nine months, but until April were blocked by local planning laws – dating from 1938 – which forbad them. A new ordinance now allows them so long as they cannot be seen by neighbours. The panels will still only enable them to get a relatively small proportion of their power from the sun – but they are now also installing an Australian-developed geothermal energy system to provide all their heating and hot water from rock 300ft under their home, which both Gores also use for their offices.
http://www.ourplanet.com/imgversn/opupdates/gore_house.html
Linda
November 25th, 2009
2:14 pm
Peter@1:35, Coal is the nation’s major fuel for electric power plants.
Tom
November 25th, 2009
2:16 pm
Global Warming is proof that no science is immune to the infection of politics and the corruption of power…
TGT
November 25th, 2009
2:16 pm
I posted this on Bookman’s blog several weeks ago. For those who missed it:
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To contact me just dial: BR5-49 (ask for “Junior”).
Peter
November 25th, 2009
2:17 pm
Yes Linda we know that coal is a major fuel……….. but it doesn’t have to be, and it is not the only fuel…….solar or wind could charge Electric car batteries.
Linda
November 25th, 2009
2:17 pm
Peter@1:40, Why haven’t you painted your roof white yet? Are you waiting for global warming to really start?
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
2:23 pm
Tom, DAMN STRAIGHT!
Linda
November 25th, 2009
2:27 pm
Peter@2:09, It’s okay to fly, own & rent planes. It’s hypocritical to preach to us to drive our bicycles to work & for him & his wife to flit around the country on an airplane as large as a 747.
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
2:27 pm
Linda, THAT’S WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kyle Wingfield
November 25th, 2009
2:32 pm
Ladies and gentlemen, please note this holiday (eve) miracle: Axelfraud and Peter are agreeing with one another!
Something to be thankful for, a day early…
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
2:36 pm
Kyle Wingfield, you don’t have to be a smart a$$ about it.
Kyle Wingfield
November 25th, 2009
2:37 pm
Oh, I’m being all too serious.
The American People
November 25th, 2009
2:46 pm
“Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Coal-powered plants, you know, natural gas, you name it, whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.” – Barack Obama.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
2:54 pm
We have a light colored roof already………got lucky when we bought the house……..
One of my buddy’s is doing so…… I installed a 500 gallon water tank in the back yard for rain water, and hope to come up with some solar soon.
Linda
November 25th, 2009
2:55 pm
Peter@2:13, I mentioned the electric bills I quoted were from ‘05 & ‘06. The report was released in ‘07, coincidentally when the Gores started their “green” renovations, which have actually INCREASED their electric consumption by 10%.
The Gores purchased a monstrous 100-foot houseboat a few months ago. It uses bio-diesel fuel which is not sold at the marina where it’s housed. He says he’s ordered solar panels from the co. in Nevada (Chinese?) but it’s plugged into the electric socket on the dock. The jet skis on the boat use gas as does all his cars that will use fossil fuels to get to the marina & back.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
2:57 pm
Hey Kyle.thanks for noticing !
Linda….. you are still pulling at straws about the Al Gore jet, but hey you don’t like the guy and that is your prerogative.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
3:01 pm
Linda ….Gore is rich, and he can buy all he wants……..Big deal !
Again you point is what he uses electricity, and is trying to get others to cut their foot print, so he is being hypocritical, gee all you sound is angry at this point.
Where are the cool ideas for the future ?
Linda
November 25th, 2009
3:14 pm
Peter@2:17, Solar, wind & biofuels have already proven to be cost prohibitive, etc. There’s always a problem with solar since the sun SETS & with wind when it doesn’t BLOW. The answer for alternative fuels are natural gas & nuclear power. The BIG problem is that almost ALL our vehicles use oil. We have to have oil to survive (work, etc) until we have an alternative. Why can’t we drill more of our own oil?
Linda
November 25th, 2009
3:18 pm
American@2:46, A statement he made that was honest, a statement that is horrifying, but the bill has already passed the House.
Skip
November 25th, 2009
3:26 pm
I just finished cleaning the leaves from the gutters, tomorrow I’m cutting down the trees.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
3:27 pm
Linda those opinions are yours, and others that can’t see the the future. Yes we need oil, and yes we need alternative fuel.
What do you do with Nuclear waste ?
Many buildings can be retro fitted for solar, but boy the energy companies don’t want to hear that !
The Southern Company is running our lives……. and what they want they get. Just Ask Sonny Purdue, when it comes to water wars.
Linda
November 25th, 2009
3:33 pm
Peter@2:57 & 3:01, If the Cap & Trade Tax bill is passed & what American@2:46 reported that Obama predicted comes true & the United States of America bankrupts, which it will, I will be a lot more than angry & so will you.
Make a list of bad words, write them all down & practice them, because you will be repeating them over & over. In general, conservatives pray & liberals cuss. Conservatives believe God controls the climate & weather but liberals believe politicians can control it.
P.S. Mother Nature doesn’t live in DC.
Linda
November 25th, 2009
3:38 pm
Skip@3:26, If you’re not going to use them, let me know. We’ll burn them in the fireplace insert. We like to stay warm & pollute at the same time. If we didn’t cut down trees, we would all live in tree houses built with straw (also one of the 77 essentials in the book Global Warming Survival). Would also be hard to drive around in trees.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
3:40 pm
Linda you make a list of bad words, I don’t invite bad karma into my life.
I believe different than you…….Man effects climate through pollution.
God is man made as well.
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Linda
November 25th, 2009
4:10 pm
Peter, What’s wrong with Yucca Mt for nuclear waste? We’ve spent $13.5 B developing it. There’s 60,000 tons of waste being held in pools & above ground concrete containers at 104 commercial power plants. Obama just scrapped the plan & said all this waste can just say where it is. The Dems oppose any energy they can’t cap, trade, tax & make $ on.
Owners of buildings can retrofit them without authority of energy companies. I have received credits from energy companies to make my properties more energy efficient.
Peter
November 25th, 2009
4:35 pm
Linda…this comment…….”The Dems oppose any energy they can’t cap, trade, tax & make $ on.”….I would say all parties think the sames, and so do the energy companies !
Great job on the redoing of your properties. We are redoing a ranch, we have all new windows and doors, lots more insulation, and I know that is going to help allot.
As far as commercial buildings, I imagine slowly that will happen. The nuclear waste is a major issue, I haven’t thought much about the subject.
With the cost of a nuclear plant these days in the billions of dollars, I don’t understand why solar is not viable.
Linda
November 25th, 2009
4:40 pm
Peter, The worst bad words I use can be said in front of children.
I’ve never run across an Indian named Peter.
Climate & pollution are two different things. Man causes one but doesn’t affect the other.
I realize there are people who deny the existence of God, but I’ve never heard anyone say He is man-made. Unlike others, I have been very respective to you. What you said is an insult to God & is personally insulting to me. You intentionally offended me & simultaneously displayed both your lack of knowledge AND intelligence. I feel very sorry for you & will pray for you.
I’m signing off.
Peter Courtenay Stephens
November 25th, 2009
6:40 pm
For you alarmists and Global Worming Thugs, so what if the world temperature rises 50 degrees and mankind goes the way of the Do Do Bird? So what? Do you really think that Humanity or the earth for that matter is so important to the overall universal picture that it deserves saving?
No matter what you do in the 21st century it will be only a minor thought in the 22nd century or the 23rd century. Earth and humanity is a temporary thing. Face it.
jgfox
November 25th, 2009
9:59 pm
We are just at the beginning of this scandal.
Rather than rely on “commentators” about what it is and what it isn’t, I’ve read 30 or 40 of the emails and, also, the comments on the “code”.
It is very damning and we just began to mine the politics behind AGW.
If Hadley Climate Research Unit wants to prevent this from become a formal investigation, just release the data used in the models and the models themselves.
No, they fought releasing information and in one email pledged to destroy it before it became public.
Those on the fence and those with open minds … go to Wattsupwiththat.com website … or any website with the emails and make up your own mind.
Don’t depend on surrogates and commentators.
Read and decide.
I remember when Senator Sam Erwin in the Watergate scandal was challenged “how could you know that?”, he responded:
“Because I can understand the English language. It’s my mother’s tongue.”
The emails are in English … you decide … if you’re posting here, you have enough interest to read the emails and the “cooked code”.
If you are reading this you understand English whether it is your “Mother tongue” or not.
Read them yourselves and decide.
Laura
November 26th, 2009
2:37 am
Peter: China and India are the world’s two biggest polluting countries and they are EXEMPT from Cap and Trade. You better START liking Communism, because that is the purpose of climate change, which you defend. They changed the name from global warming to climate change, because the earth is getting cooler, not warmer. Research New World Order & wake up.
wyoming dan
November 26th, 2009
3:47 pm
enjoyed everyone’s comments, even peter’s, who appears to be diametrically opposed to my viewpoints on every issue raised! As a former orange county, ca. republican, now a wyoming libertarian, I wanted to share a couple of points. #1, Nuclear power was shot down by the left 35 years ago, the so-called environmental movement is directly responsible for the prevalence of “King-Coal” in energy use today. Forget Carbon footprint junk science, Coal has some byproduct, including radiation, that is downright nasty! Lose coal via Nuclear or other alternate energy abd you’ll make everyone happy except the coal producing states and lobbies. #2, I live off grid, using two windmills and some solar, suplemented by a large and expensive propane generator. I don’t bo this because I give a $#%$ about Al Gores agenda, but because—–ready—– IT COSTS ME LESS!
The argument for alternative fuel use must be economic, people don’t change unless it hits their pocketbook. Wihch brings me to my third point, #3 WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF OIL. If the so-called greens and the Rational Anarchists like myself could simply couch our discussions in these terms you would be amazed what this country could dig itself out of. Soo ends the sermon….
mikey
November 27th, 2009
2:44 am
Nice breakdown Kyle, keep up the good work.
The Global Warming Hoax is going down, the REAL environmentalists will have their cause back, enfettered by the very corporations they seek to rein in.
The Truth rises to the top. Eventually.
Kevin Bodenhammer
November 27th, 2009
3:41 am
What would be wrong in the first place if the Earth did get warmer? For one thing, people would be burning less fuel to keep warm in the winter time. When I was actually working in a greenhouse, I bought some CO2 tanks to enrich the greenhouse environment. The plants grew twice as tall, and produced more fruit. I cannot believe people, especially scientist, are so stupid.
Peter
November 27th, 2009
9:38 am
Linda, I appreciate you thinking differently than I, but you on the other hand, are insulted by someone thinking different than you.
Please pray for yourself. Maybe you can be enlightened to the fact there are many many religions, beliefs, and theories on Religious beliefs.
Some folks believe as Taoists, or Buddhists……these folks don’t pray to a god. They believe all life is intertwined.
You mention you never heard God was a man made idea, if he is not then how was he originated ?
You also have a big issue with China, and think they are not aware of the ecological problems with the earth, and their region, and seemingly don’t care.
I suppose you are unaware of China’s 5-Year $454 Billion Environmental Initiative.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Profiting-From-Chinas-5Year-indie-1632552639.html?x=0&.v=1
Everyone writes and opinion here, perhaps you should be more open minded.
JackPoynter
November 27th, 2009
11:33 am
Testing, delete this if you like, my computer is acting very overburdened this morning.
JackPoynter
November 27th, 2009
11:54 am
Short version of longer post which seems to have vanished into the ether:
The IPCC has responded to climaquiddick, which Kyle seems to call this issue. (Did someone die and I missed it?)
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/26/pachauri-discusses-the-climate-files/
The interesting part is that there was a response to the IPCC’s response from one of the delegates to the IPCC. Both pieces are in the above URL.
As a person who has been in information systems since 1966, the comments are in the code are:
1. Not surprising, since they come from an amateur programmer, and
2. Utterly damning with regard to whoever was administrating those projects, from a data integrity, data recoverability, programming version control standpoint, forget what they have to say about AGW.
The net is that, given the amount of money and exposure we have on this subject, the administration of climate science appears to be too important to be left to climate scientists.
JP
Danny
November 27th, 2009
2:03 pm
Just the name Al Gore is reason enough not to believe any of this horse squeeze. You’d have to be a maroon to fall for these lies.
Steve
November 29th, 2009
9:17 am
Hey all,
So even if Global Warming either is not occurring, or is not being caused by human activity, all of you worrying about how much it will cost you if climate change legislation is enacted should instead consider the investment opportunities that will exist in the many companies that will find ways to profit from cap and trade and CO2 sequestration technologies. In the end many who are crying now about the cost will be the ones that are making it hand over fist. It’s always the way.
Steve
November 29th, 2009
9:29 am
“They changed the name from global warming to climate change, because the earth is getting cooler, not warmer.”
No, they call it climate change because it is more encompassing, Since the earth will not warm in a uniform manner (poles will warm up more), the increased temperature gradient will cause more severe weather, tropical cyclones in some areas, increased drought in others, flooding in still others. The name Global Warming does not capture this, hence “Climate Change”. Quite simple really.
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