The Michiganization of America
This is a remarkable slide show depicting the growth of unemployment in the U.S. in just two and a half years. In January 2007, before the credit and financial crises and the subsequent recession, the counties in purple or black — representing unemployment of 7 percent or more — were restricted to a handful of states.
Move forward to September of this year, and the whole map looks bruised.
I don’t intend this as a “blame Obama” post. The recession and the rise in unemployment started before he took office. But even “Saturday Night Live” understands that what the administration has been trying so far — namely, spending more money and piling up even more debt that will have to be repaid — isn’t working.
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Sam
November 23rd, 2009
11:21 am
Sorry Kyle, I take a consensus by economists over SNL. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/business/economy/21stimulus.html?scp=1&sq=economists%20stimulus&st=cse
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 23rd, 2009
11:38 am
In many ways, H Ross Perot was nutty as a fruitcake but he was right about NAFTA, globalization, and the giant sucking sound.
Kyle Wingfield
November 23rd, 2009
11:53 am
Doesn’t take much, huh Sam? Your NYT article quotes one economist who says the stimulus worked; one who says it was too small and not well designed; another who echoes the part about the poor design.
Then you have one (Zandi) who says it should have been bigger but nonetheless is working — but who can’t be expected to say anything else considering the stimulus bill was based in large part on his research, and who makes up a number (1.1 million jobs saved or created) that not even the White House has been brash enough to trot out in justifying the bill.
Then you have two people whose only quoted comments reveal that they think it was a bad idea to sell the stimulus in connection with a particular unemployment-rate outcome (one of whom works for the White House and is the very person who made that unemployment-rate prediction).
Then you have one businessman who kinda, sorta says the stimulus was better than nothing. Then you have some statistics about the “multiplier effect” of government spending that are hotly debated in the economics field — even if that debate isn’t mentioned at all in the article.
Finally, you have an economist who doesn’t commit either way about the stimulus.
But don’t worry — some unnamed, uncounted number of economists form a “consensus” that it was a success!
Skip
November 23rd, 2009
12:22 pm
You win Kyle, whatever SNL says.
Dunwoody Mike
November 23rd, 2009
12:24 pm
The problem with the stimulus (both Bush’s and Obama’s) is that it went to the wrong people. Why should we give billions to the same people that wrecked the economy in the first place?
DebbieDoRight
November 23rd, 2009
12:30 pm
Kyle just wondering……………..where was all this concern when the past administration, (who shall remain nameless), was getting trillion dollar loans yearly from China? How did we expect to pay that back? What about the time when the past administration doled out all those stimulus checks, (this was between the years of 2003 and 2007), trying to get americans to buy, buy, buy our way out of trouble? I wonder why we were being bribed and buttered up if there weren’t any problems? What about the time the past administration decided that we didn’t need to raise taxes to pay for two wars? Remember when they said that the oil fields of Iraq would be able to pay for that war? How did that work out? What about the time the past administration, six months into its first term, wiped out a budget surplus that the previous administration, (who shall remain nameless also) had left behind? And I can’t exactly recall, but can you remember who originally said that “Budgets Don’t Matter”, and everyone in that elephant party smiled, nodded & applauded and said that was correct and that paying down the deficit wasn’t as important as cutting taxes for the wealthy? (who, if i recall correctly are supposedly the ones who are upholding america — although recently we’ve found out that a good majority of them have been witholding from america and using foreign countries to hide their funds instead of paying taxes on them to revamp a failing economy), do you remember that? Didn’t anyone notice then that the country was spinning out of control? A first year economy student could’ve told you that if you borrow trillions of dollars from a country and you have no way of paying it back that you’re going to be in deep doo-doo. OR if you have two wars, at least have a way to pay for them (since you’re not going to raise taxes on the rich). OR if you get surplus funds, PAY DOWN YOUR DEBT FIRST, not use it to extend great tax breaks for people who already pay less taxes then the middle class, and still hide the majority their money so that their tax debt will be negligible.
But of course, economist, even first year ones, weren’t running the country then. It was the previous administration who got us into a bigger pile of sh##t then any other in history, cheered and applauded on by their elephant party, (you know the ones — they claim to be “fiscally conservative” but wiped away a surplus in less than a year, in 8+ years of control [six years = Senate under Clinton PLUS 6 years under Bush, 8 years = House under Bush, 8 years = Presidency] did not bring down the deficit not ONE CENT, but managed to triple it); yes they were cheered on by the “fiscally conservatives” and did not veer one inch from the party line of “All is well, move along, there’s nothing to see here”; when our financial house was in turmoil. NOW however, it seems that they’ve come out of their “sleeping beauty” type coma and have suddenly remembered the word budget. It seems just a weeeee bit hypocritical to the average eye and just a tad bit self righteous after 8+ years of f@#king everything up that now that party of the elephants are pretending to care about anything that isn’t connected to them getting re-elected. Funny isn’t it?
Jefferson
November 23rd, 2009
12:42 pm
Nobody is worth 40 times pay of someone else. (clue)
Joan
November 23rd, 2009
12:52 pm
Debbie: We can look forward or we can continue to look back and cast blame. Looking forward is the only positive approach to take. And looking forward, we do have to require more of our citizenry. We need people in this country to accept responsibility for their own and their children’s lives, and stop whining and crying poor. A free education is available to all who have a desire to better themselves. But instead of walking through those doors of opportunity so many opt to sit on the couch, drug themselves into oblivion and then have the nerve to suggest their worthless lives are worth someone else saving. I don’t buy that.
Kick Me
November 23rd, 2009
12:53 pm
The logical question is what would the likely alternative have been had the stimulus money not been spent. Actually, that’s a moot point isn’t it, like today’s editorial.
Kyle Wingfield
November 23rd, 2009
1:25 pm
DebbieDoRight: Sorry to let a few facts get in the way of your screaming:
There have been no “trillion dollars loans” from China or any other country, annual or not. Our entire foreign-held debt as of Sept. 2009 was about $3.5 trillion, about $800 billion of which is held by China. These are cumulative figures. Big figures, to be sure, but not in line with your over-the-top rhetoric.
The first trillion-dollar budget deficit — i.e., what would necessitate a trillion-dollar loan — was this year. True, this deficit was inherited from President Bush. But don’t blame Bush for the deficit Obama inherited and then say that Bush eliminated a budget surplus in his first six months — i.e., in the budget he inherited from Clinton. Either blame the president for the budget during his first year or don’t. You can’t have it both ways.
No one has ever said “Budgets don’t matter.” Dick Cheney reportedly said “Deficits don’t matter,” which is not exactly the same thing. And whether he was right or wrong, there’s no doubt that he was talking about deficits that represent a few percentage points of GDP, not the nearly double-digit figures we are talking about now.
But more importantly, I would like you to find where I, personally, specifically, said it was fine for Republicans to do all this, as you imply that I did. You’re right that Republicans deserve blame for the way they managed federal finances. But you’re wrong to say that all conservatives supported this financial mismanagement. Did many of us vote for Republican candidates over the past decade? Sure — on the theory that Democrats would be even worse. That’s a theory that’s now being proven true.
My mantra is: Vote against incumbents early (in the primaries) and often (both in the primaries and the general election).
The most tiresome argument in this whole economic debate is “Republicans did it too!” Fine, yes, they did it too. So what do we do about it now? Spend more money? Your “first-year economic student” can surely tell you that this is wrong. And it is “just a weeeee bit hypocritical to the average eye and just a tad bit self righteous,” to borrow your words, for liberals to complain about Bush’s mismanagement and now support Obama for doing the same thing.
Road Scholar
November 23rd, 2009
1:26 pm
Kyle, wouldn’t it be great to have a parallel universe to see if the bailouts and stimulus packages worked versus doing nothing? Remember, most who dismiss these as irresponsible don’t have an economics degree or know enough to remember what they had for dinner last night!
Road Scholar
November 23rd, 2009
1:27 pm
Sorry for the double post.
Hatin' on the stupid
November 23rd, 2009
1:27 pm
Joan: “We can look forward or we can continue to look back and cast blame.”
Hilarious how the “take personal responsibility for your actions” gang begins to “look forward” when the light of truth shines in on their hypocracy. You go Debbie girl. That was a slam dunk. The republicans did the same thing when Clinton got in office after 12 years of borrow and spend under Regan and Bush Sr. Suddenly nothing was more important than balancing the budget. Same old tune, and becoming sooo predictable.
Hatin' on the stupid
November 23rd, 2009
1:32 pm
Kyle: “True, this deficit was inherited from President Bush. But don’t blame Bush for the deficit Obama inherited and then say that Bush eliminated a budget surplus in his first six months — i.e., in the budget he inherited from Clinton. Either blame the president for the budget during his first year or don’t. You can’t have it both ways.”
That is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard on this post and there have been mountains of stupidity. I wont even bother to explain it to you. Let me guess, you love Sarah Palin too, no?
Jimmy62
November 23rd, 2009
1:33 pm
The problem liberals have is their best argument is “But Bush overspent, too!” But that only holds till you look at the magnitude. If Bush did X, and Obama does 10X, that’s 10 times worse, not the same. But then simple math seems beyond the left, or they wouldn’t think that spending lots more money will somehow lead to lower deficits.
Here’s a clue: If it doesn’t make sense for your personal finances, it also doesn’t make sense for a country.
Kyle Wingfield
November 23rd, 2009
1:34 pm
No worries, Road Scholar — that’s why I took down your first post (I assumed you liked your second one better).
As for your parallel universe: Sure, that would be great. But the universe we have is telling us this: The stimulus has had some effect because, well, you can’t throw a couple of hundred billion dollars the economy and have *no* effect. But it’s also telling us that employers, whether small or large businesses, are not buying into the notion that the stimulus is salvation. While they see that money, they also see the deficits that will have to be financed with higher taxes, borrowing, or both (and these people don’t care which president caused the deficits, only that they have to be repaid); they see that the large amounts of money that the Fed is creating will lead to some big-time inflation sooner or later; they see Congress contemplating all manner of legislation that will reduce their incentive to grow their business and thus reduce their incentive to hire more workers.
The most likely answer is that the effect of the stimulus has been tempered greatly by the rest of Washington’s actions. Capital is still on strike, and we won’t have a real recovery until that changes.
Kyle Wingfield
November 23rd, 2009
1:36 pm
Let’s hear your explanation, Hatin. How is it that Obama is not responsible for the deficit’s increase in his first six months in office, but Bush was responsible for the surplus’s elimination in his first six months?
Churchill's MOM
November 23rd, 2009
1:41 pm
Wingboy@1:25 pm
“My mantra is: Vote against incumbents early (in the primaries) and often (both in the primaries and the general election).”
Here in Georgia, we have a problem with that. We have the 2 sorriest RINO Senators known to mankind yet Saxby did not have primary opposition although every Republican I know hates him. In the general election we had a good honest conservative, Allen Buckley yet he only got about 10% of the vote. Johnny is just as bad as Saxby yet he has no Republican or announced Democratic opposition. The Libertarian party has Chuck Donovan, who is an unknown to me. It would be really nice if you did some writing about Mr. Donovan. I grew up in Georgia when we only had 1 party, democratic and now live in a state where we only have 1 party the RINO party. Can you tell me the difference between the 2?
Piso Mojado
November 23rd, 2009
1:41 pm
I think we all need to take a hard look at what Republican leaders have proposed to stimulate the economy and create jobs, determine the viability of the best ideas, and work towards a bipartisan effort to turn words into actions.
Oh that’s right. They haven’t proposed anything. Doh!!!
Barnacle Bill Bavasi
November 23rd, 2009
1:43 pm
Kyle, in Carpetland, unemployment has led to a recession that is still deepening. No, or too little work for more than a year has finally led to consumer spending necessarily drying up in epic proportions and thousands having to turn to food stamps and charities just to eat. The bruises here are turning gangrenous. But, then, you know this already.
Hatin' on the stupid
November 23rd, 2009
1:47 pm
Ugh. So Clinton is responsible for turning the surplus Bush inherited into trillions in debt, but Bush is not responsible for dumping those same trillions of debt, and a traumatized ecomomy in Obama’s lap to try to clean up. Think it might take more than 8 months or so to try and mop up 8 years worth of hemoraging??? This illogic is what I hate the South. Why not shut up and let his team see what they can do with this mess instead of hoping for failure like Porky Limbaugh??”
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
1:52 pm
I looked up conservative states vs. liberal states in debt and unemployment. Liberal states like California and Michigan led the nation in unemployment and debt rates. Liberals have single handedly destroyed Michigan and California. Look for the south to RISE in business in the next 15 years. Taxes are cheap and unions are not in control.
Kyle, I watched the SNL skit with Obama and Hu. It was fantastic but sad. So damn true. President Acorn is the new Jimmy Carter. But sadly, Jimmy Carter was not out to destroy America.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
1:56 pm
Hatin’ on the stupid wrote: This illogic is what I hate the South
Answer: Move.
Kyle Wingfield
November 23rd, 2009
1:58 pm
Hatin: Try reading what I’ve written, not what you think/wish/imagine I wrote.
Debbie said that Bush eliminated the surplus in his first six months in office — ignoring that at that time, July 20, 2001, the federal government was still operating on a budget that began in October 2000, before Bush was even elected, much less in office. I simply pointed out that Bush can’t be held responsible for the fiscal 2001 budget deficit, any more than Obama can be held responsible for the fiscal 2009 budget deficit.
Of course Bush is responsible for the debt accumulated during his eight years — fiscal 2002 through fiscal 2009. Do you know the difference between deficits and debt?
Ga Values
November 23rd, 2009
2:03 pm
Barnacle Bill Bavasi .. we re-carpeted our house last week hope that helps you out.
The US has been on a multi year spending spree that all stopped about a year ago. I am on the board of 8 medium sized companies all except 1 come into the downturn with healthy balance sheets. All are having a 8-20% drop in sales for this year. None have had layoffs but are working short time, losing a little money but still have positive cash flow. We are looking for small acquisitions to add to our market share next year. These are unusual for private equity companies, next year there will be a 50% failure rate in the private equity which the NYT thinks will add up to $1.7 trillion. This will have a worse problem that the sub prime problem. We are in for a rough new year, I’d be moving my investments into near cash if I were you.
ATLshirt.com
November 23rd, 2009
2:06 pm
Just wait for this healthcare reform to pass.. they just may as well call it, bailout payback.. they are going to raise taxes on EVERYONE!! IF the FED doesnt do it to you, then the state will!! Get ready for hyper inflation, it is coming next year..
I also would like to see our government drug testing people who are drawing welfare checks and unemployment, or just do away with it all together.. I am tired of supporting lazy people!!
I do find it very funny how the dems keep pointing to the right and blaming thier failures on past administrations.. its thier way of confusing the masses and keeping us divided so that they (the government) can complete thier agenda of government takeover on all of us citizens!!
Kyle, I am with you, and so are many other people, when it comes to the next elections, we plan on voting against the incumbent!! Since congressmen and senators will not impose term limits on themselves, it is up to us (we the people) to vote them out!!! We have the power to set term limits, by constantly voting out the incumbents, 1 term for everyone!!! That way, just maybe, those guys in office will start to do things for the people, and not themselve!!
Churchill's MOM
November 23rd, 2009
2:07 pm
David Axelfraud
1:52 pm
Please list the Conservative states that are in good shape.. certainly not Georgia or any other southern state for that matter.
Hatin' on the stupid
November 23rd, 2009
2:15 pm
“Do you know the difference between deficits and debt?”
Yeah, deficits are what Republicans don’t pay for on an annual basis.
12 Trillion in debt is want it accumulates to in short order. Thanks for wrecking the country then dumping on the guy trying to fix it. Deficit spending is what your supposed to when the economy is struggling, not each and every year of your administration. Can you name me one Republican since Carter that didn’t run a deficit? Could this not be why we’re in such a mess? But that (American hating, Socialist, Facist, Muslim Loving, Too low bowing- chose your slur)Obama is the one causing this country to go to hell.
Fraud: Make me
Chris Broe
November 23rd, 2009
2:18 pm
At least hold judgement until the bulk of the money actually gets released into the economy, sir.
The bulk of the stimulus package funds has yet to be released. It probably wont create jobs until the bulk of the money actually gets released.
The only funds that have been released have been clunker cash, the bank bailout, and that tax credit for first time home buyers, (not to mention the 10 billion released specifically for the makeover they gave that singing ogre from America’s Got Talent, Susan Boil, who now looks like Lady GaGa with a unibrow.)
Also, didn’t the bulk of the cash for clunkers program go to Jay Leno’s writing staff? When’s the last time he’s told a funny? OMG!
Yes, America’s Got Talent has a new recording superstar, Susan Boyle, who’s not so much Fergie as Froggie, but what a voice!! She’s so inspirational, and I think Wallstreet is betting on the Shirley Temple effect, that is, the entire globe will rally just because she’s so adorable.
Question for people who don’t understand economics: Did the bailout money all end up in the stock market?
ATLshirt.com
November 23rd, 2009
2:18 pm
if this healthcare reform is so great, then why wont the congressmen and senators enroll in the same program that we are being forced to ??
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
2:31 pm
Churchill’s MOM, didn’t say that they were in good shape. Just said that they were not in danger of going bankrupt. Louisiana and Texas are two conservative run states that come to mind.
Hatin’ on the stupid wrote: Fraud: Make me
Ms. Stupid, don’t mistake me for a democrat. I don’t try to make people do anything. You cried about the south and so I offered a simple solution. Kyle was right, you are TERRIBLE at understand what people write.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
2:34 pm
Churchill’s MOM, before you go an put your foot in your mouth, which you just did, go and look up each state yourself. You know, reading? It’s pretty simple.
Churchill's MOM
November 23rd, 2009
2:35 pm
Just released survey, they say better 1st quarter, who knows.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/11/23/business/AP-US-NABE-Survey.html
Churchill's MOM
November 23rd, 2009
2:36 pm
fraud
2:34 pm
As usual all talk no facts..
Churchill's MOM
November 23rd, 2009
2:38 pm
fraud… that should say as usual YOU ARE ALL TALK AND NO FACTS>
Chris Broe
November 23rd, 2009
2:40 pm
Debt and Deficit figures are meaningless by themselves, and any attempt to define either term without the context from which one could derive their consequence on the economy is misleading.
The % of GDP is the magic number.
Historically, neither our debt nor our deficit have ever had a lasting negative effect on our growth. If debt were such a cycle-killer, then around the 1930’s we would have experienced a downturn from hell, okay?
D’oh!
Actually, after a perfunctory search, I don’t see any correlation between boom and bust cycles and deficit spending or total debt. If anything, there’s a inverse relationship, unless I’m reading the graph upside down.
“Zilch, a googolplex next to infinity is”. (Yoda)
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
2:40 pm
Kyle, what is interesting about your comment above is that for 8 years Clinton had every chance in the book to do something about terrorism yet he did nothing. During Bush’s first 9 months we were bombed yet liberals wanted to blame Bush.
Fast Forward to now and Obama and the Democrats want to blame Bush for everything and not take any blame for themselves.
Bottom Line: Democrats and liberals blame everyone else for their problems even though they cause more harm than good.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
2:42 pm
Churchill’s MOM, no facts? Huh, I posted those FACTS about a week ago. People like you said nothing about it. Now, feel free to go back to watching your fake Daily Show and calling it real news.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
2:45 pm
States with unemployment under 10%
LOUISIANA 7.3
OKLAHOMA 6.9
ARKANSAS 7.6
TEXAS 8.3
ALASKA 8.8
Jimmy62
November 23rd, 2009
2:47 pm
The Clinton “surplus” was a myth, only viable if you completely ignore a lot of government funded liabilities. There was no real surplus, we did not end the year with more money than we started. We ended with less, we just had more creative accounting.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
2:48 pm
Churchill’s Mom, North Dakota has the lowest unemployment in the country. Guess what? It’s not run by liberal democrats
NORTH DAKOTA 4.2
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
2:49 pm
Churchill’s MOM, here the website for you. It’s a government site.
http://www.bls.gov/web/laumstrk.htm
Jess
November 23rd, 2009
2:50 pm
The issue at this point is not who’s to blame in the past. I don’t care if the Pope’s to blame, the issue now is the response to the financial problem. Obama’s response has been to go on an unprecedented spending spree. This is pure insanity. And saying it was Bush’s fault or the Pope’s fault doesn’t make it any less insane. There seems to be more at work here than meets the eye.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
3:04 pm
Gee Kyle….I guess we should make up another WAR……sign ridicules “Cost Plus Contracts”…..let the infrastructure of America go to hell in a hand basket, and what will we have ?
The last Republican Administration…….
Which of course almost killed America……… Wasn’t there a period of time during the “Little Bush ” administration where is was said we almost went totally Broke and Belly up, worse than the “Great Depression ” ?
Like Republican’s actually have a clue ? Well I guess if ripping off American’s works for you, then you do !
dewstarpath
November 23rd, 2009
3:05 pm
- Axelfraud –
2:40 pm
– In 1998, Clinton ordered cruise-missile strikes on
suspected training camps and bomb-building facilities
in Sudan, places that had previously been suspected
hideouts for Osama bin Laden. Although it did not
appear that bin Laden was killed in those attacks,
I wouldn’t call that nothing.
The American People
November 23rd, 2009
3:05 pm
Write an article about the SEIU 1000 members beating up Ken Hamidi for trying to exercising his right for free speech at their public meeting. Write about the hyocrisy of the fact that this is barely been a news story. Write about how Obama has as he says “worked with this organization all of his life” but they are keeping this very quiet. Write about the obvious fact that if a black man would have gone into a public meeting and had been beaten up by 4 white men it would be national news and their would be a public outcry on every news channel in this country. Thankyou.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
3:12 pm
Yes Kyle…….”Saturday Night Live”…..is a wonderful show when Politics, and national policies are debated.
That is like saying “Sesame Street” is a good show to watch when we talk about Terrorism !
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
3:13 pm
According to costofwar.com, we’ve spent about $900,000,000,000 in Afghanistan in 8 yrs. & in Iraq in 7 yrs., 15 yrs. total.
What an amazing coincidence that Congress approved the expenditure of almost the same amt of money less than 3 wks after the inauguration on a bill they called an economic stimulus, unread, passed within a few hours, in an emergency, promising to prevent unemployment which was at 7.6% from exceeding 8% which is now 10.2% unless you count all the people who are really out of work which is probably 17.5%. The intent of the bill was never intended to stimulate the economy & didn’t. It made it worse & will add to our national debt. It was a celebration. It’s going to blue states & blue districts in red states.
If you want to create jobs, you concentrate on the private sector, small businesses. You do not increase the minimum wage during the worst economic recession in decades. You don’t burden small businesses with fines & penalties in a health care bill. You do not double the price of utilities with a cap & trade tax. You don’t extend unemployment benefits for 99 mts., causing unemployment insurance for businesses to double & triple. If I deliberately wanted unemployment to rise, I would have done exactly what they did.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
3:14 pm
dewstarpath, yeah, Clinton had the Navy hit a sand dune. Nice. I guess you have selective amnesia because we were attacked 4 times under Clinton.
Bottom Line: Clinton did nothing to help prevent 911.
Kyle Wingfield
November 23rd, 2009
3:14 pm
Peter: When they’re right, they’re right. The SNL writers have certainly zeroed in on the mood of most people I know better than the administration has.
dewstarpath
November 23rd, 2009
3:18 pm
- I do not have amnesia. Facts are facts.
Except in the world of the fringe right.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
3:18 pm
That’s correct Linda……you don’t increase the Minimum wage to poor folks…….
Bush didn’t do it for almost his entire 8 years……yet each year the Congress, and House got raises…….and they were not the pennies the minimum wage went up either !
Each year of the Bush administration, the IRS told us the Poor got Poorer, the Rich got Richer, and the Middle class got smaller.
Keep Poor People Poor Please !
Heck there are WARS to MAKE UP !
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
3:20 pm
dewstarpath, yep facts are facts. Clinton did nothing. Except get bjs from an intern.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
3:21 pm
HA HA HA Kyle……..HA HA HA………..Yes SNL is “Right”….. HA HA HA……
The writers should move to Washington DC…….
The Mood of the country voted for the Current President, and he will need years to bail us out of the Little Bush mess !
Anita Mao Dunn
November 23rd, 2009
3:22 pm
Do I look like Mrs. Obama?
Stop trying to do sex to me Mr. President…. LOL
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 23rd, 2009
3:24 pm
yet each year the Congress, and House got raises
And it’s my understanding that those raises are automatic annual raises; they don’t even have to vote on them anymore.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
3:25 pm
Hey David Axelfraud…..Great BS……Bottom Line: Clinton did nothing to help prevent 911…….
Clinton told Little Bush all about Bin Ladden, but Little Bush was too busy allowing the Bilking of California, and saying we were in an energy crises, to bother.
Plus Little Bush needed a WAR…….He and Cheney had too much money to earn for their respective families….WAR was very Important to not have happen !
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
3:26 pm
Hillbilly Deluxe ……..The raises were voted on about 11:00 PM by the members……. the country was barely told.
dewstarpath
November 23rd, 2009
3:27 pm
- Under Clinton, concerning the four times we were
attacked, only one attack (the first World Trade bombing)
was on U.S. soil. Six people died. The others (the Khobar
Towers Bombing, The USS Cole Bombing, and the African
Bombings in Kenya (U.S. Embassy) and Dar-es-Salaam,
Tanzania) were overseas – where security was breached at
a distance. Osama was a new threat – we were containing
Saddam at the time using no-fly zoning on and around
the 36th parallel. I do not make a career out of bashing
Bush43, and UNTIL you walk a mile in the shoes of the
POTUS, you should pause and reflect on absolute
judgement about the person the voters hired to do the job.
Churchill's MOM
November 23rd, 2009
3:29 pm
David Axelfraud
2:45 pm
Does the fact that these are states that have an energy based economy irrelevant. How are Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee,& Alabama or do you not consider them conservative. Your Duke education obviously was NOT in Economics.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
3:29 pm
Hey Kyle…..We will have another water shortage in Atlanta, since the Governor has no new reservoirs……should we notify SNL ?
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
3:29 pm
Peter, he didn’t do anything but get bjs from interns.
dewstarpath, I don’t make a career out of Clinton. Just like to point out to people that he was a huge cause in the build up to 911. No one will argue that taking out Saddam was a bad thing. Every single democrat who signed on to the war said the same thing.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
3:31 pm
Churchill’s MOM, I just knew you would try to make fun of my education. It’s all you little turds have. Instead of debating you attack attack attack to try to destroy credibility.
By the way, where did you attend college?
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
3:33 pm
Churchill’s MOM, again, where did you earn your degree in economics from?
Churchill's MOM
November 23rd, 2009
3:33 pm
David Axelfraud
2:48 pm
Both of the Dakotas are major recipients of your hero, Saxby, farm bill. You may think they are conservative but they are just welfare moms to the farm bill. Your Duke education is obviously not in geography either.
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 23rd, 2009
3:34 pm
Peter @ 3:26
My bad.
Churchill's MOM
November 23rd, 2009
3:36 pm
MBA, Finance UGA
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
3:37 pm
Churchill’s MOM, not only are you ridiculous, but you have the same problem as other liberal bloggers who don’t read. I never said anything about Saxby. I simply pointed out states that have low unemployment that are not run by liberals. Funny how you did not mention LA or Texas.
Again, where did you attend college?
I have a feeling that you didn’t go to one.
Churchill's MOM
November 23rd, 2009
3:38 pm
David Axelfraud
3:31 pm
That should be lack of education.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
3:38 pm
Churchill’s MOM wrote: MBA, Finance UGA
How come you can not offer solutions to any of these blogs? Only democrat talking points.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
3:39 pm
Churchill’s MOM, last time I checked, UGA was not in the top 50 schools across this country.
Oh, and Tech is going to destroy UGAY this week.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
3:39 pm
Churchill’s MOM, are you wanting to compare GPA’s and SAT scores?
Chris Broe
November 23rd, 2009
3:40 pm
Estimating the country’s political mood from SNL is worse than getting your opera fix from Bugs Bunny Cartoons. (Forgive us, Wagner.)
Jess
November 23rd, 2009
3:40 pm
….it will take years to fix the mess little Bush caused…..
So Obama plans to do this by outspending Bush five to one? Drone on against Bush all you like, but he is not in a position to fix this. Only one person is in that position, and he seems determined to deal this economy it’s final death blow.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
3:41 pm
Hey Hillbilly Deluxe …..No problem…..
My suggestion is do what Ronald Regan did…….sell Drugs, but only this time don’t buy weapons with the money ( Iran Contra Affair )…….no pay off the national debt.
Gotta Love Ronald Regan…….the most recent President who was a Drug Kingpin !
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
3:43 pm
Churchill’s MOM wrote: David Axelfraud
2:48 pm
Both of the Dakotas are major recipients of your hero, Saxby, farm bill. You may think they are conservative but they are just welfare moms to the farm bill. Your Duke education is obviously not in geography either.
Sounds like someone has school penis envy.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
3:44 pm
Churchill’s MOM, by the way, UGA doesn’t crack the top 60 schools in the nation. Poor whittle puppy dogs. So sad.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
3:45 pm
Hey David Axelfraud…..are you upset he was a Rhodes Scholar, or a silvery tongue devil, who got others to use their tongue ?
Perhaps you are upset because Little George was so stupid, every business he ran he ran like the USA…Into the Ground ?
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
3:46 pm
Peter @ 3:18, Raising the min. wage is great when times are good. Raising it during the worst recession in decades was stupid. It affects the lowest paid workers, the “poor” & our youth. There are millions of Americans who would work for the old min. wage if they could just find a JOB. Businesses were already operating in the red. Raising their expenses caused more job loses. The poor became unemployed. It was not in their best interests.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
3:47 pm
Peter, Obama Hussein has a law degree from Harvard and he may go down as the most incompetent president in the history of the United States.
George Bush made mistakes but at least he got things done and governed the country. President Acorn can’t even make a decision on anything.
It took him 4 months to figure out what kind of dog to buy his kids.
Churchill's MOM
November 23rd, 2009
3:47 pm
David Axelfraud
3:43 pm
If I had penis envy, it sure would NOT be your 1/2″
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
3:47 pm
Hey Jess……. I think allot of the spending is coming back…… how many banks and institutions are paying back the loans they got during the bail out ?
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
3:48 pm
Peter, at least George W Bush had a wife who is nice looking. Unlike Bill, Bush didn’t have to sleep with interns. HA!
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
3:49 pm
OK………George Bush made mistakes but at least he got things done and governed the country.
What did Little George do ?
What is his savings Grace ?
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
3:50 pm
Haaaaaaaaaaaaa David Axelfraud ……..”Peter, at least George W Bush had a wife who is nice looking.”
Now I understand how Republican Politics work ! Thank you……it has all been very confusing until now !
Churchill's MOM
November 23rd, 2009
3:50 pm
David Axelfraud
3:44 pm
You might want to try some of those pills that Glenn Richardson failed to take.
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
3:51 pm
The Dems are much more to blame for the economic recession than the Reps & Bush is the least responsible of anyone you may want to point fingers at. Most of you have no idea why we’re in the mess we’re in.
Skip
November 23rd, 2009
3:51 pm
The raises for congress are automatic unless voted down, they never vote.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
3:53 pm
Come on LInda………”The poor became unemployed. It was not in their best interests.”
How about the Rich CEOs, sent a great deal of American Jobs over seas where workers work for Pennies on the dollar, no regulations are in place, and then they gave themselves more money !
HA HA HA…….. like a few pennies more for the poor killed American Business ! HA HA HA……
Why don’t you see what is going on in the stock market today ? Companies are cutting workers at a record pace, and thus the profits !
Mutts R Stupid
November 23rd, 2009
3:54 pm
Kyle is a little testy today because his reason for existence, newspapers, are in much worse shape than thought. Turns out the few papers that have increasing circulation, thus giving hope to losers like the ajc, are actually double counting some subscriptions. Kyle’s old rag, the wsj, under that crooked clown from down under, was actually counting both the print and the internet subscription to the same person as two separate subscriptions. This matters to advertisers who pay for ads based on the number of subscribers. Old Rube was giving away the internet subscription if one purchased a print subscription not long ago, I know because I was a subscriber then and got both dirt cheap. But I sure did not read the paper or look at the ads twice, once on paper, and once on screen. If you really disagree with Kyle, just cancel your print subscription, it will hurt Kyle and the Urinal more that way.
jt
November 23rd, 2009
3:56 pm
“My mantra is: Vote against incumbents early (in the primaries) and often (both in the primaries and the general election).”
And EVERY incumbent that has been fired should be audited. Any “conflict of interest” financial gains should be seized.
And pelt them with rotten fruit.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
3:57 pm
Peter, one, unemployment was 4.4% under Bush. Second, we all had jobs. Third, we were not attacked again after 911. Fourth, he had islamic radicals on the run. Fifth, the DOW hit 14,000 for the first time ever.
Shall I keep going?
Skip
November 23rd, 2009
3:58 pm
Googled it, Georgia #58. In your face Ax.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
3:58 pm
Yes LInda………The Dems are much more to blame for the economic recession than the Reps & Bush is the least responsible of anyone you may want to point fingers at.
They were in charge during the last 8 years ! Gosh the top never has any responsibility !
Skip
November 23rd, 2009
4:00 pm
4.4, Dow, think a fake housing bubble had anything to do with it?
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
4:00 pm
Peter, Clinton’s legacy is sex with an intern. Bush’s legacy is the war on terror. But please, keep trying to reinvent Clinton. He is.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
4:01 pm
Skip, in my face? I never mentioned Georgia, Troglodyte.
No, Clinton, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd had EVERYTHING to do with the housing bubble. As did all the dead beat idiots who bought houses they could not afford.
Ray Pugh
November 23rd, 2009
4:02 pm
And then he sent it all to hell w/ a pointless war and tax cuts for the rich… way2go Dubya!
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
4:02 pm
Skip, oh, if you want to talk about “in your face” you may want to look at what state is dead last.
MICHIGAN!
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
4:03 pm
Ray Pugh, yep, with the democrats blessing Bush sent them all to Iraq and Afghanistan.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
4:04 pm
Yes David…….Peter, one, unemployment was 4.4% under Bush. Second, we all had jobs. Third, we were not attacked again after 911. Fourth, he had islamic radicals on the run. Fifth, the DOW hit 14,000 for the first time ever.
Shall I keep going?
Please tell us what happened next…….. this will be exciting……..
Unless you use the words………Depression, Recession, or Bail out ! Then Dow 8000 !
Bernie Maddof, Cost Plus Contracts, Illegal Aliens, lying about the environment…etc….
Maybe include this…… A new poll suggests that George W. Bush is the most unpopular president in modern American history……I wonder why ?
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
4:05 pm
Yep the lies about WMD was told to Congress, and the rest of the WORLD !
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
4:08 pm
Peter, yep, funny how after 2006, when the Dems took over the house and senate, things went downhill. Depression? Hardly.
What does Bernie Maddof have to do with Bush?
Poll? Hell, I can find a poll that says Jimmy Carter is the worst president in history.
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
4:08 pm
Peter, I wasn’t aware that small businesses had rich CEO’s & sent jobs overseas. The difference between large corporations & small businesses are small businesses employ the majority of Americans, aren’t unionized & are too small to bail out or even matter. The fed govt only concentrates on corporations who failed but were to big to fail & that can be nationalized.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
4:08 pm
Peter, then I guess Bill Clinton lied about Saddam because he made Saddam a big part of his agenda. If Bush lied then so did Democrats and Europe.
Churchill's MOM
November 23rd, 2009
4:10 pm
why do you leave the frauds comments & delete mine?
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
4:10 pm
Peter:
1: Do you believe that 911 was an inside job?
2: Is America a democracy or a republic?
3: Are Democrats gods to you?
William
November 23rd, 2009
4:11 pm
I am going to remind you “blame the republican crowd” that those were not republicans who did all what you said. It was liberals imposing as Republicans and won the elections. Just to let you know.
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
4:14 pm
Peter, Just because Bush was “in charge” on 9/11 doesn’t mean he was piloting any of the planes. Clinton admitted & bragged he was responsible.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
4:15 pm
Churchill’s MOM, why do whine so much?
ATLshirt.com
November 23rd, 2009
4:16 pm
david, you should not give those small minded Democrats a tough tricky question like that one… LOL
Kyle Wingfield
November 23rd, 2009
4:18 pm
Churchill’s: Which of your comments did I take down? I don’t see any of your comments in moderation.
Churchill's MOM
November 23rd, 2009
4:21 pm
Kyle Wingfield….my computer is only loading part pages, my problem not yours.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
4:22 pm
Churchill’s MOM wrote: Kyle Wingfield….my computer is only loading part pages, my problem not yours.
No kidding, you have MANY problems.
Churchill's MOM
November 23rd, 2009
4:24 pm
fraud…I won’t waste any more time trying to educate a fool… where is your Duke transcript posted so I can see how smart you are?
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
4:31 pm
Hey David, and Linda……. I think you should do as Kyle does……Look to SNL for your political Info !
They are the pulse of America……….. Please then report back to us next week !
Kyle keep up the great work……. Please watch sesame Street, and then report back to us on Terrorism !
David……No Democrat’s are Not Gods……in fact they are JUST People……just like everyone alive.
Glenn
November 23rd, 2009
4:32 pm
The Michiganization if America indeed . It seems both parties value these absurd trade agreements that have destroyed Americas manufacturing sector . I suppose trade deficits really don’t come into play . It also seems fine & dandy to give our manufacturing to a country buying our debt even if they don’t have any labor or environmental policies . Let me guess , these comments make me a protectionist & it really is unions that have destroyed manufacturing . Funny when GW had China finance the Iraq experience I never heard any rightwing talking head mentioning his fiscal or economic irresponsibility outside Pat Buchanon . I thought China was supposed to be a ” strategic competitor ” .
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
4:35 pm
Churchill’s MOM, uh huh. Go sell stupid somewhere else.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
4:36 pm
Kyle thank you for today’s chuckle……. they could not have picked a sillier fellow to follow Whooten than you.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
4:37 pm
Peter, I don’t look to SNL for my news. I get it from real sources. Oh, and I also don’t pretend that the Daily Show is real news like you guys.
Thanks for not answering my other questions.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
4:41 pm
David…..You seem to agree with Kyle, and that is what this blog is based on !
1. 911 could have been an inside job….but know one knows. Go to Yale and see if you get in the secret society there ?
2. With the illegal Banking system in place (Federal Reserve) , who knows what America really is……again back to Yale
3. As a Total independent……. I trust neither side.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
4:42 pm
Peter, thanks for proving how disconnected with reality you really are!
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
4:46 pm
David……. You as the lemming are welcome !
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
4:50 pm
Peter, no problem Obama cult follower.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
4:51 pm
HA HA HA……..Seems Republican’s are in a cult !
Only problem is the Republican’s are all for one……. and All for ME !
Dick Cheney is a fine example of that !
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
4:54 pm
The economic crisis in the nutshell:
The fed govt initiated redlining in the ’30’s, preventing lenders from making loans in risky areas & even distributed the maps.
Community organizers protested & the Community Investment Act was passed under Carter. Redlining was banned & banks & savings & loans had to make loans in risky neighborhoods or else.
’80’s: savings & loans crisis, bailouts, Resolution Trust, etc.
In the ’90’s under Clinton, the Community Reinvestment Act was broadened to include mortgage companies. Mortgage companies don’t have $/deposits & sell their loans on the secondary market, half of them to Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac, at the time quasi-govt agencies. Laws in the ’90’s REQUIRED Fannie & Freddie to change their sound lending practices from proof of income, down payment & good credit to anyone who breathed. HUD mandated that up to half of Fannie & Freddie’s portfolio consisted of Affordable Housing loans by a target date, which they exceeded. Fannie set the standards in the real estate financial market. Most lenders used Fannie’s underwriting guidelines whether the loans were actually sold to Fannie or not, since other secondary buyers also preferred them.
Fannie bought & insured subprime loans made to homeowners who had no jobs, no down payment, bad credit & teaser initial interest rates, bundled them with prime loans & sold them on Wall St., who sold them to investors all over the world.
Any idiot could see that the economic crisis was inevitable. People who can’t QUALIFY don’t PAY.
Adjustable rate mortgages adjust in 3 to 5 yrs.
In ‘04, before the crash, Clinton BRAGGED in his autobiography that it was his adm that was responsible for the “STAGGERING’ ‘$800 B” in loans for Affordable Housing. He also admitted in 8/08 on ABC that the Dems for yrs resisted any efforts by the Reps to reign in Fannie & Freddie.
The govt caused the problem in the ’30’s, tried to correct it in the ’70’s & multiplied the problem in the ’90’s.
Those congressmen most responsible are still in power & one is today pushing more Affordable Housing loans for condos.
The problem was an ideology that home ownership is a right, not a privilege, much like today that health insurance (not health care) is a right, not a privilege. Everyone is entitled.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
4:55 pm
Peter, and the democrats aren’t? Keep bowing down to your lord and savior Obama.
DebbieDoRight
November 23rd, 2009
5:01 pm
Kyle ok it was a BILLION and not a TRILLION dollar loan from China……question, did we ever pay that back or is it somewhere drawing interest? Any thoughts?
Also on deficits: On the deepest level, the vice president was echoing, in slightly exaggerated form, an idea put forward a few years ago by Irving Kristol, the Godfather of the neoconservatives who have had such a wide-ranging effect on Bush administration policy. Kristol wrote then, and still believes, that “We should figure out what we want before we calculate what we can afford, not the reverse.”
On the political level, treating deficits as a non-issue also proved a successful strategy. After all, despite the torrent of red ink that splashed across the national budgets during his first term, George W. Bush was reelected by a substantial margin.
Hmmmm interesting thing that notion huh? Here’s another one: Since Ronald Reagan, a majority of Republican politicians have gradually come to conclude, as Vice-President Dick Cheney famously told former Treasury Secretary Paul H. O’Neill, that “deficits don’t matter.” What’s interesting and alarming, however, is that different Republican factions believe deficits don’t matter for opposite and incompatible reasons. Supply-siders believe deficits don’t matter because tax cuts so boost investment and productivity that the economy grows its way out of debt. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_52/b3914021_mz007.htm
Do your remember if that worked or not Kyle? Just asking……..
And finally this ditty from you: . Did many of us vote for Republican candidates over the past decade? Sure — on the theory that Democrats would be even worse. Then you said: My mantra is: Vote against incumbents early (in the primaries) and often (both in the primaries and the general election).
Kyle, you just created an oxymoron!!! First yes you DID vote republican, although you didn’t necessarily agree with them or what they were doing, THEN you said your mantra was to vote against incumbents!! Kyle are you studying to become a politician later on in life? You have a good start already!!!
Keep repeating the republican mantra: “All is well, move along, there’s nothing to see here”; and keep shoving that revisionist history down people’s throats and you’ll be just fine! You’ll turn into a stellar republican politician.
PS: Just so you don’t think I’m screaming at you, here’s some happy faces!
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
5:02 pm
Hey Linda,
Where is the part about the MADE UP WAR, and George Bush using China as a Credit card to pay for such Made Up War ?
You also forgot about these facts……..
WASHINGTON – Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.
In the cross hairs of the campaign carried out by DCI of Washington were Republican senators and a regulatory overhaul bill sponsored by Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb. DCI’s chief executive is Doug Goodyear, whom John McCain’s campaign later hired to manage the GOP convention in September.
Freddie Mac’s payments to DCI began shortly after the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee sent Hagel’s bill to the then GOP-run Senate on July 28, 2005. All GOP members of the committee supported it; all Democrats opposed it.
Ops forgot the obvious didn’t you !
Glenn
November 23rd, 2009
5:04 pm
Wrong . The problem was no one thought property could ever lose value . That’s why someone made 40k a year could get a loan for a six hundred thousand dollar house .
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
5:09 pm
Glenn, If we only bought American, we wouldn’t be able to DRIVE to the jobs we no longer have to manufacture our exports that are no longer being purchased because we aren’t buying imports–like oil. I think it’s called the Golden Rule.We have a self-imposed ban on drilling for our own oil to “save the planet” & are forced to buy oil from other “planets” such as Canada & Mexico.
We spend all taxes we get our hands on. What we can’t tax, we borrow. What we can’t borrow, we print.
We have to kiss the rear of our biggest Communist benefactor & end up with toxic baby formula, lead-based toys, poison sheetrock & oh yeah, a nuclear N. Korea that wants the money we’ve already spent.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
5:11 pm
Glenn wrote: Wrong . The problem was no one thought property could ever lose value . That’s why someone made 40k a year could get a loan for a six hundred thousand dollar house .
WRONG! There were LOTS of people who thought differently. If you go back about 10 years, you will read about how Clinton wanted ANYONE to be able to buy a house even if they could not afford it.
Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending
By STEVEN A. HOLMES
Published: Thursday, September 30, 1999
In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.
The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets — including the New York metropolitan region — will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring.
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
5:12 pm
Gee Linda ……… it seems our Communist Benefactors, hold the note on the “Made UP Iraq WAR ” !
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
5:14 pm
Poor Peter. That cage must get really lonely at night.
Kyle Wingfield
November 23rd, 2009
5:15 pm
Debbie, dear…you can vote against incumbents in the primary…although I do note the objection Churchill’s raised earlier about a lack of challengers in primaries. I would like to see a good, solid challenger in every primary that involves an incumbent.
I would also say that my anti-incumbent views have sharpened in the last couple of election cycles, as it became more apparent that Republicans weren’t living up to the principles for which they were originally elected.
I don’t think there’s anything inconsistent about what I said, although you do have to be able to envision someone not voting a straight party ticket.
Kyle Wingfield
November 23rd, 2009
5:17 pm
Peter: You can’t just cut and paste an entire article like that. Please just provide a link…you already posted the first few paragraphs of that article.
Jefferson
November 23rd, 2009
5:17 pm
If you are making a killing, someone is getting killed.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
5:23 pm
Hey Kyle,
For starters I have found certain articles seem to appear, then disappear, so the best idea is to cut and paste them for ones self.
Do you have a word limit on what someone can post ?
Intown Lib
November 23rd, 2009
5:24 pm
What you should really be covering is the Detroitification of Metro Atlanta if Georgia cannot negotiate, legislate or litigate out of the box that Judge Magnuson, Alabama and Florida put us all in. If the AJC doesn’t start covering this with more gusto, pretty soon it won’t have a city to cover.
Kyle Wingfield
November 23rd, 2009
5:28 pm
Peter: My only rule (see here: http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/11/11/some-rules-for-this-blog/) is that you don’t cut and paste an entire article — both for copyright reasons and because it tends to make this blog unreadable. To meet those requirements, I suggest posting about the same amount that you already have. If you want to highlight an additional section, it’s probably OK to put another 2-3 paragraphs in a second comment.
Ultimately, I’ll judge whether to leave a post or take it down on whether you’re making a good-faith effort to meet this rule. The copyright part is very important to me (and to the person/organization whose article you’re citing…)
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
5:33 pm
OK …..Kyle that seems fair to me!
Kyle Wingfield
November 23rd, 2009
5:35 pm
Thanks.
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
5:44 pm
The wingnuts continue to type “pointing the finger isn’t helping us know, let’s move on” all while discussing what Clinton and Carter did and didn’t do. In other words, “don’t say sh#t about conservative f**k ups, period”. I’m convinced you idiots don’t know when you’re coming or going.
scott
November 23rd, 2009
5:46 pm
one reason our economy is screwed up..8 YEARS OF GREEDY,SELFISH,SELF SERVING,HATEFUL.,DIVISION ORIENTED,LYING,RACIST, REPUBLICANS..THE PARTY OF NO AND HYPOCRITES!!END OF STORY..
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
5:49 pm
The welfare talk continues to be amusing as well. When people of color get welfare, it’s called a “handout for the lazy”. When Whites get welfare (who make up 70% of its recipients, btw) it’s called SSI. LMAO! Better yet, it’s called a “bailout”. I love the double standards! People go to extremes when their privilege is threatened. Hmph!
The American People: The only time Blacks make headline news is when they’ve done something bad. You leaped across the Pacific Ocean to *reach* that conclusion.
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
5:59 pm
@ David Axelfraud: you say the libs are the party of whiners and complainers. It seems these blogs start off reasoned and civil, then you come on foaming at the mouth about the Dems.
@ all wingers: We are still waiting on the Republican alternative to the stimulus plan and the health bill. Screaming out “you lie” for the world to see isn’t sufficient. Show us a better alternative or shut the hell up already. I’m not a Dem, but America has had it with you and your fear-mongering ilk. If you all hate the state of affairs in America so much, take the advise you offered when the tables were turned and LEAVE. Go sucker some lowly, “uncivilized” nation out of its land and establish your New America. Take some h1n1 blankies with you for good measure, it’d be just like old times. I’d personally LOVE to see you all on the first Mayflower smoking “back to Europe.”
Happy “Thanksgiving”
Hard Right Hook
November 23rd, 2009
6:00 pm
It’s hard for me to imagine that the Wharton School of Business admitted all these bomb-throwing, screaming nitwits for an MBA. Some not so lucent business analyses, indeed.
Any electorate that elects Deddie Stabenow or Jenefer Granholm is questionable anyway. This fits the grand liberal theory; Michigan cannot possibly work it’s own problems out. It needs the Federal Hope & Change Government to do it for them.
Good piece, Kyle.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
6:09 pm
ask a Native, alternative to the government takeover of health care.
1: The GOP has a plan. Democrats shut them out of meetings time and time again.
2: Stimulus plan FAILED! Answer: Let the free market work itself out as it always does.
3: You and other liberal trolls cried for 8 years about all things Bush.
Bottom line: Your party sucks and it has cost us all jobs.
Democrats = the party of felons, illegal aliens and college dropouts.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
6:10 pm
ask a Native, why don’t you make me “shut the hell up” you worthless twerp of a human being.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
6:13 pm
For your eyes only David……..
Republican’s = the party of felons, for illegal aliens, and men’s room footsies !
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
6:13 pm
More bad news for the Obama cult followers.
Health Care Reform
Support for Health Care Plan Falls to New Low
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
6:15 pm
Peter = mindless, illiterate, baby killing lover.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
6:16 pm
I can’t wait to see liberal heads explode over this one.
Sarah Palin vs. Barack Obama: The approval gap silently shrinks to a few points
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/not-that-it-matters-politically-because-shes-a-republican-idiot-and-hes-a-democrat-geniusbut-sarah-palins-poll-numbers-are-c.html
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
6:22 pm
Hey Ask a Native…….. I agree !
“Bailouts……a RICH Republican’s Welfare, example see Wall Street, AIG, the American Banking System……..those that are too ” LAZY ” to actually work honestly for a living !
Scamming is easier !
Selling stuff via Wall Street so stupid, even the guys selling it didn’t know what they were selling…..getting Raters such as Moody’s to give them A + ratings, when in fact they were Junk Bonds !
Then they call it …..” Intelligence Failure “……. right along with ” Mission Accomplished “.
Why……. because they scammed American’s out of their own prosperity !
David wake up !
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
6:23 pm
David = Name calling like little child, without intelligence to hold a good conversation or argument !
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
6:27 pm
Gee, everyone I know who recently lost their home either went into foreclosure or had to reluctantly sell due to MEDICAL DEBT/BANKRUPTCY. These lazy bums held 9-5s before their cancer diagnoses, which was totally their fault, and now they expect US to help THEM out?? Hmph! I have no problem with spending billions of $$$ “liberating” another country while my fellow citizens go without. They should have been more proactive. We will not be converted into Socialists. God Bless America.
Hey wingnuts, WWJD??
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
6:28 pm
David @ 6:17- that sounded like an insult? Are you a closet libbie?
Cause you know, ONLY liberals dish out insults when all else fails.
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
6:28 pm
Peter, your quote from the internet above PROVES exactly what I said.
DCI is not a “Republican” lobbying group. Fannie & Freddie were Dem puppets until they collapsed in ‘08. They would not have hired a Rep lobbying group. The article you quoted from a biased source called DCI Rep only because a Rep used them yrs later.
In both ‘03 & ‘05, the Reps introduced legislation in the Senate Banking, etc Committee to reign in Fannie & Freddie. You quoted, “All GOP members of the committee supported it; all Dems opposed it.” The letter accompanying the bill said, “If effective regulatory reform legislation…is not enacted this year, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie & Freddie pose to the housing market, the overall financial system & the economy as a whole.”
John McCain wrote, referring to Fannie & Freddie that they “were one of the real catalysts, really the match that let lit this fire.”
A congressional, federally-chartered government-sponsored enterprise spent $2 M to lobby against a congressional bill that would have reigned them in!!!
Only the leadership at Freddie knew about it & none of the Republican Senators had a clue that they were being targeted. Freddie paid our tax dollars to DCI who paid it to third parties: prominent constituents & financial contributors.
None of the lobbying money actually went to Rep Senators.
Only Reps were targeted by DCI because only Reps were in favor of reigning in F & F.
Of the 17 Rep Senators who were targeted, 8 of them still signed the bill anyway, along with 18 others. No Dems signed it.
Is this all you can come up with?
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
6:29 pm
Peter, awe poor baby. She can dish it out but can’t take it. Poor poor Peter.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
6:30 pm
ask a Native, just serving you back what you’d said to me. Now, back to the reservation with you hack!
Jess
November 23rd, 2009
6:31 pm
Ask a native,
The republicans have offered the following for health care. identify the problems and attack them rather than reforming an entire system which in many ways is the best in the world. The problems as they see it are covering those not covered, and cost. answer, pass a bill to achieve coverage for everyone. On cost, they would start by asking the president to go ahead and take that $500 billion from medicare and medicaid waste and fraud.
We do not have to reform an entire system which 60% t0 70% of americans are perfectly happy with.
There is no plan for a stimulus because that’s not the governments job. The economy will recover more quickly on it’s own than with govt. tampering. US by far the largest stimulus plan of the industrial countries. US the slowest to recover. Obama was told this would happen by Europeon leaders, but as usual, he’s a lot smarter than they are so he did it his way.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
6:32 pm
Peter, did it ever occur to you that most Democrat senators are rich people?
Every single democrat presidential candidate from the last 50 years has been a rich white dude. Well, except for Obama Hussein. He’s half white half black.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
6:33 pm
I agree with ask a Native……F- my fellow American……
I want to be a Republican…….
I want to spend Billions on “Helping other nations”, and keep allowing American’s to be Hungry and Poor!
I want to bilk those poor American’s until they are hopeless !
I want to call those American’s derogatory names !
I want to be a Republican !
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
6:37 pm
David did it ever occur to you ALL senators are Millionaires ! ? !
Did it ever occur to you the Bailouts were as “ask a Native ” says…….white man’s Welfare.
Linda please read the article yet again…….3 years before the failure, the Republican’s blocked the correcting of the ship, and coincidentally took over the operation until Failure hit !
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
6:38 pm
David @ 6:09- “the plan doesn’t exist” would have sufficed. Still foaming at the mouth, I see.
Continue proving my point about how you zealots are just as wacky as the dems you try to bash. Funny how everyone who disagrees with your neanderthal way of thinking is automatically labeled a liberal or Democrat, or some other derogatory depending on what time you took your meds. This strategy has worked for politicians for decades. Keep dancing at their expense, puppet. I, however, will not be led astray just because someone has an R or D behind their name. God bless you, and God bless America.
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
6:40 pm
Peter @ 6:33- capitalism. It’s the American way. No regard for your fellow man, as long as the free market is allowed to thrive who cares? The world guffaws as we try to figure it all out. Less stuff, more living. It really is that simple.
Jesus was a Socialist
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
6:44 pm
Meanwhile in wingnut land, the golden girl Sarah Palin has exposed the GOP and its imperfections *gasp!* They ARE human! Limbaugh and O’Reilly attempt to clean up the mess left behind by the Alaskan Assassin, but they commit the same atrocities against Sarah Palin that they’ve accused the “liberal media” of doing all along. Sarah Palin remains the victim.
They’re all the same. They are ALL the same. Wake up, people. Sarah Palin will be running on an independent ticket in 2012. America continues to be (willingly) bamboozled. The jokes write themselves.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
6:46 pm
Peter, white man’s welfare? Guess the mask is off. Peter and Native hate white people.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
6:46 pm
But ask a Native…..
Jesus is the crutch all Republican’s use…….even Bush said he prayed to “His God” before he attacked Iraq !
Maybe the Republican’s mean Jesus…..from Mexico ?
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
6:48 pm
Yes David as a white person I hate white folks…….HA HA HA……..
But as a White Person you hate America !
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
6:49 pm
Peter, a president can not just take off to war. All wars must have Congressional approval. The War in Afghanistan was approved in the Senate by a vote of 98-0 & in the House by 420-1. Our Congressmen & women not only can, but are obligated to review each & every piece of intelligence, thoroughly. You might be interested in reviewing some of the comments made by the Dems as well as the Reps on the internet.
The reason we went to war was because radical Islamic terrorists had been murdering Americans in dozens of countries in Asia, Europe & in the US for almost 30 years. We ALL knew they wanted to blow up the World Trade Center because they had already TRIED in ‘93.
These terrorists don’t hate us for anything we have DONE. They hate us for who we ARE. Appeasement has & never will work.
Maybe you’re right that this is a made-up war, but the families of terrorist attacks, including 9/11, beg to differ with you.
If terrorists had killed your family members serving in Saudi Arabia, on vacation in Spain, in a flight over Scotland, on a cruise in the Mediterranean Sea, having lunch in the World Trade Center & you wanted to put an END to all terrorism, what would your solution be?
Hey, ya’ll, anyone can chime in. All are welcome.
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
6:49 pm
David @ 6:30. The comment that you’re frothy over was specifically addressed @ wingnuts. If it applies to you, remain offended.
And thanks for your concern about my reservation, I think your comment says more than I ever could about the mental stability of wingnut conservatives like yourself. God Bless.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
6:50 pm
ask a Native, no, I could care less if you disagree with me. My problem with you came when you told me to shut the hell up.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
6:51 pm
ask a Native, the reservation comment was a joke. Wow, your stupidity reigns supreme!
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
6:52 pm
Peter, do you really want to turn this into a religious blog?
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
6:54 pm
ask a Native, Palin will end up selling more books than Hillary, Bill and Obama combined. People identify with real human beings and not robots like Hillary and Obama.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
6:55 pm
Peter, wow, do you know what satire means? Come on, look it up real quick why don’t cha.
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
6:56 pm
@ Jess 6:30: If it’s the best in the world, how come no one else in the world has one like it, nor wants it?
And before anyone gets started (this is not directed at you, Jess), I’ve lived in Canada and the U.K and I know first hand the opinions of their citizens about their health care so spare me the propaganda.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
6:57 pm
ask a Native, if we are so bad then why are millions coming here illegally?
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
6:58 pm
David @ 6:46- whatever you say, Joe Wilson.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
6:58 pm
Hey Linda maybe Colin Powell can tell us all the truth, of all the lies, and why he quit working for Bush and Cheney ?
Why Cheney thought he left the party ?
Maybe you can say “Faulty Intelligence” or “Mission Accomplished” with a straight face, but not all Americans are oblivious to the lies and deceit.
Why don’t you write Dick Cheney and ask him about the “Secret Energy Meetings” that happened early on, and why we cannot get any minutes about those meetings ?
And David, if you don’t think the Iraq WAR was about the oil contracts, and the Cost plus Contracts that bilked America…..then hey you probably will want Palin for President as well !
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
6:59 pm
ask a Native, if other countries have such great health care then why do more people come here for surgery than anywhere else in the world?
Canada, Middle East, Asia, Europe. All come here for major surgeries.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
6:59 pm
ask a Native, whatever you say Michael Moore.
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
7:00 pm
David insists on adding words to my post. It’s the Barney frank mantra, I refuse to entertain doorknobs or dining room tables.
Swamp land in California for the first poster who can point out where I said America was “bad”.
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
7:00 pm
Kyle@5:17, My preschool neighbor would find you comment discriminatory & discouraging.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
7:01 pm
Peter writes: And David, if you don’t think the Iraq WAR was about the oil contracts, and the Cost plus Contracts that bilked America…..then hey you probably will want Palin for President as well !
Well Peter, she does have more experience leading than your lord and savior Obama. He has not once led since he entered the White House. And no Peter, if Iraq was all about oil then why isn’t gas down below a dollar?
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
7:01 pm
ask a Native continues to spew lies and rhetoric and fails to answer simple questions. Poor whittle Native. It must be so lonely on that reservation.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
7:03 pm
ask a Native, how is your boyfriend Barney Frank? I heard that you two had a lovely weekend getaway to the Bahamas at taxpayer expense.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
7:04 pm
What crap is this Linda……….”Maybe you’re right that this is a made-up war, but the families of terrorist attacks, including 9/11, beg to differ with you.”
Gee I would think the families of 911 would want Bin Laden dead as I do……
Iraq had Zero to do with 911……Pulling at straws I guess…..No my bad……Dick Cheney made Up bull crap about the connection, and the polls STILL say Republican’s still DO believe that made up lie !
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
7:05 pm
Peter, if Iraq is a made up war then why doesn’t Obama Hussein, your lord and savior, bring them all home?
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
7:06 pm
David @ 6:59, you’ve got to be kidding me. I don’t care who’s coming here for a nose job. Americans are leaving this country IN DROVES for HEALTH CARE that’s more affordable elsewhere. I’m not your seeing-eye dog, I know you know where to find the stats.
Again, spare me the propaganda. I have lived in the aforementioned nations and they’ll take a flawed universal system over ours any day.
I did not intend for this to become a debate abt health care. It tied into another point I made as intended. The end.
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
7:07 pm
David @6:51. Haha?
atlshirt.com
November 23rd, 2009
7:08 pm
everyone of you are blind, either republican or democrat.. This is exactly what our government wants.. they want us at each others throats, so that we are not at thier throats..
WILL ANYONE ADMIT THAT IT IS BOTH PARTIES FAULT ??
United we STAND , Divided we FALL, and boy are we falling.. Keep on believing the BS that our government ran media tells us.. keep on fighting between one another, and keep on losing your freedoms and liberties..
Maybe one day, we will all wake up and see what is actually going on, and then we could all UNITE and STAND up to a CORRUPT government !!!!
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
7:09 pm
Gosh David, you forgot you live in a capitalistic market……they want YOUR MONEY as well…..duhhhhhhhh………they are not going to lower gas prices !
The Bush Family is in the OIL Business…… Come on now Little King George, was not a good President, but what a Family guy he was !
Setting up all that good business for family, and opening up a new region as well to make more money from……Hard to negotiate with a dictator one puts into place !
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
7:09 pm
When all else fails, hurl insults.
I thought this was the liberal way? David is a closet liberal, I suppose. You’re in good company, right along with Rush, Glenn and O’Reilly.
“We’re entertainers!”
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
7:13 pm
Hey atlshirt.com ……..You are correct…….. But it is not the government…. You are speaking of the small groups…..Back to Yale we go………the secret societies that run the country, and want chaos, and confusion, along with the rocky stock market, so they can buy up everything, and have their order !
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
7:14 pm
ask a Native, I didn’t know heart surgery was considered a nose job. My wife is a doc at a major hospital and she sees a lot of overseas patients who can’t get surgeries in their own countries.
Propaganda? You mean like democrats who usher out one person and claim that the person represents every single American?
No, you intended this to be a diversion from the real topic. Democrats who ruin states and bankrupt them like Michigan and California.
StJ
November 23rd, 2009
7:14 pm
“Michiganization” is just a side effect of another word based on “California” (also the title of a Red Hot Chili Peppers song), which we have been subjected to for years. You do the math.
[Funny how "the page cannot be displayed" at certain times. The oh-so-wonderful devices of censorship.]
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
7:14 pm
@7:08- I have been preaching that “liberal nonsense” forever.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
7:15 pm
Gee David……..”Peter, if Iraq is a made up war then why doesn’t Obama Hussein, your lord and savior, bring them all home?”
I think he is doing so……BUT……… Bush allowed Bin Laden his Personal “Terrorist Protection Program”….thus our problems in Afghanistan !
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
7:15 pm
Peter, if Bush is an evil oil guy hell bent on power and money then I guess that would make Obama a jihadist hell bent on killing white people…..
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
7:16 pm
Peter, no…..last time I checked Obama Hussein didnt know what he was doing.
jconservative
November 23rd, 2009
7:17 pm
1- Bush 43 invaded Iraq not for oil or WMD – both were just excuses. He invaded because he felt that 9/11 made the US look weak & he wanted to do something to restore the mystique of a powerful America. Condi Rice said that is what he told her when he called her & said “lets invade”.
2- Is it really important who sells the most books, Bill Clinton or Sarah Palin? Is it really more important than the $12 trillion dollar national debt? Or the $1.4 trillion dollar deficit we suffered in FY 2009? Or more important than the fact that the US voters will not cut spending or increase revenue, thus leading to even higher deficits?
Just asking & I can’t wait to see the names I am going to be called.
Oh, source on the Bush quote in #1 – Richard Haass “War of Necessity, War of Choice”. Condi Rice recommends the book. You also can find on Council on Foreign Relations website, Haass is President of the Council.
atlshirt.com
November 23rd, 2009
7:18 pm
peter, they are the government as well, do any of you guys really believe that our vote counts ?? Come on, its an electronic voting maching with no paper trail at all.. they can make up any number they want, and put who ever they want into office… The president is chosen from a bunch of names in a hat, and this time, it just so happened to be Obama’s name drawn…
We need to take back our country, and we need to do it NOW.. or else, we will wind up just like China, Russia, Cuba and Iran.. where the ones with all of the money, and connections, dictate our everyday lives!!
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
7:18 pm
“Democrats who ruin states and bankrupt them like Michigan and California.”
What was that abt diversions? Why am I still being labeled a democrat? Wipe your frothy mouth.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
7:18 pm
ask a Native wrote: When all else fails, hurl insults.
That’s exactly what you did when you first addressed me. Hmmm, guess you also suffer from selective amnesia.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
7:19 pm
Hey David……..”Peter, if Bush is an evil oil guy hell bent on power and money then I guess that would make Obama a jihadist hell bent on killing white people…..”
No that wouldn’t ……..but it may be our opinion !
Bush was more a puppet, and Cheney the real Darth Vadder !
Funny the Guy was still associated with Haliburton as VP, and he wrote the contracts personally that Haliburton would sign……
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
7:20 pm
ask a Native@5:44, You can’t know how to get somewhere if you don’t know where you are. You don’t know where you are if you don’t know where you were.
This is called “history,” learning from past mistakes & successes & preventing us from being idiots—over & over again.
Bush is not innocent. The Blame Bush for Everything mantra is getting a little trite, especially for events he had absolutely nothing to do with.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
7:20 pm
ask a Native, sorry, I mean “progressive.”
Diversion referred to your DNC talking points on every subject BUT the one Kyle posted.
Frothy mouth? Well, I don’t know about frothy but you could have said frosty. I had a Wendy’s Frosty for lunch with my baconator. Mmmmmmmmm
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
7:20 pm
‘Let’s invade!!! I’m the DECIDER!”-Big Spender Bush, Jr.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
7:21 pm
Peter, if Cheney is Darth Vadar then I guess Obama is Count Dracula, I mean Chocula. Not to be racist or anything. You know, Ray Nagin said that black people were chocolate.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
7:22 pm
I’m gonna bring the troops home….or not….where’s my teleprompter…….um…..what kind of dog should I get……….. -Barrack Hussein Obama
My economic policies will bring back jobs and not cost a dime -Barrack Hussein Obama
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
7:26 pm
@david-7:18, I hurl insults at will, with no apology. I have never made any claim that this was wrong, either. I do it for my amusement, and you are entertaining me. You’re the wingnut who wanted to be holier than thou and proclaim that hurling insults was exclusive to liberals. I have simply exposed you.
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
7:28 pm
Scott@5:46, What part of my synopsis of the cause of the world-wide economic collapse I posted @ 4:54 did you disagree with? I will be glad to post documentation to back up every statement I made.
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
7:29 pm
“We need to take back our country, and we need to do it NOW.. or else, we will wind up just like China, Russia, Cuba and Iran.. where the ones with all of the money, and connections, dictate our everyday lives!!”
You mean this isn’t already happening?? Well blow me down! You’re a conspiracy-theorist liberal. All free-thinking minds are a threat to society.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
7:29 pm
ask a Native, exposed me? Huh, I’ve been trashing liberals for months on this and other blogs. The only thing you exposed was your own stupidity. Not sure what you mean by “holier than thou” but if it helps you sleep well at night then feel free to believe that.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
7:36 pm
David..
America would have been better off if Bush took 4 months to figure out the planning for the Made Up War !
Chocula is funny……..LOL……
But America seems to be back on track…….even after all the Bush blunders…..and stock market at 800……Yep we have a huge deficit, and I hope that it gets corrected.
The name calling I will leave to Republicans !
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
7:37 pm
David @7:29, that would make you a hypocrite. But I would expect no less of a right wing nutjob.
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
7:39 pm
Linda, I responded to your post but I do not see it. Hmmmm, lemme try again.
Gee, was is something I said?
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
7:42 pm
Hey atlshirt.com .WOW I couldn’t agree with you more…Electoral College is another great American Scam !
Voting machines that can easily be hacked, No paper trail…….As mentioned before secret societies rule us, and have been since the signing of the Declaration of Independence !
For instance a member of the Skull and Bones was President, when the Federal Reserve was established……and funny all happened on an island off the coast of Georgia !
ask a Native
November 23rd, 2009
7:45 pm
Welp, I tried again Linda to no avail. LMAO.
Let me sugar-coat it by saying that we can go all the way back to Hoover, or even Lincoln (LOL) but to give credence to “stupid” just because it has an R or a D behind its name is naive and dangerous. Partisanship will be the fall of america.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
7:47 pm
ask a Native, yeah, Obama is doing a bang up job. Skyrocketing unemployment, outspending Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter combined. Yep, that is some president…I mean Candidate and Chief.
David Axelfraud
November 23rd, 2009
7:48 pm
ask a Native @ 7:37 pm, how so? I mean, it was you who threw the first punch.
Liberals: do as I say not as I do.
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
7:52 pm
Ask@ 5:59, The American people, both Dems & Reps, had an alternative to the stimulus bill. Perhaps you missed the tea parties, town hall meetings, etc. Americans want the economy left alone to work naturally. We want companies who fail to fail. The bill had absolutely nothing to do with the economy or stimulus.
The Reps presented a hc bill. If you don’t watch Fox News, you missed it. If you would like to review mine, you can go to the comments on Kyle’s article on Georgia Can’t Afford… to 11/22 @ 1:39 PM. Let me know what you think. I would never ask you to shut up. I value your opinions.
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
8:15 pm
Peter@6:22, I agree it was wrong for both the Bush & Obama adms to bail out the failed corporations who were too big to fail & that the “stuff” sold on Wall St during the Clinton adm was stupid.
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
8:38 pm
Peter@6:33, Where are those hungry Americans? I’ve been volunteering at MUST Ministries for yrs. Even our homeless are well-fed. Food stamps are easily available. You’re sensationalizing.
We’ve been fighting the War On Poverty for decades. Are we winning? The Dems & Reps go after it differently. The Dems throw out fish. The Reps teach how to fish. The Dems want more & more people, generations, to be dependent on the fed govt. The Reps want to find a solution.
As an example, unemployment benefits have been extended for up to 99 wks! That seems charitable, but it demotivates the unemployed to aggressively seek work. It’s causing unemployment taxes on small businesses to double & triple, preventing small businesses to hire. We’re in a vicious circle with no end in sight.
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
8:57 pm
Peter@6:37, I have read everything that had to do with the economic collapse, the rhetoric & the facts, the pros & cons, the blame towards Dems & Reps. I don’t base my opinions on any one article. I had first hand knowledge, a front row seat. I watched it happen. I was in the business. I knew in the ’90’s, like many other people just as humble as I am, that Affordable Housing would lead to problems. However, I did not predict the severity of the outcome. Rather than my reading the article again, you need to read the article in its entirety & maybe a few more to come up with your own conclusions as to what happened.
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
9:23 pm
Peter@6:58, Maybe Powell can tell us the truth. Why hasn’t he? Is anyone holding him back? I wasn’t aware that Powell worked for Bush & Cheney. I thought he was his own man, a general. If he was a puppet, why hasn’t he come forward since he cut his strings & declared his support for Obama?
If there was faulty intelligence, it was the duty of every member of Congress to discover it. There were WMD’s. What happened to them?
People leave both the Dem & Rep camps all the time. I left the Rep camp last fall.
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
9:37 pm
Peter@7:04, Watch your language. You’re talking to a lady, not just a woman, & I hope you know the difference.
How are you planning to kill OSB without war?
I asked you a question that you did not answer. How would you put an end to the terrorist attacks that we have incurred for over 30 yrs?
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
9:44 pm
Well Linda …….all pretty silly stuff..including the stuff you write about the stuff sold on wall street during the Clinton administration…… But the A+ packages of mortgages were recently sold on wall street, and they didn’t even know what they were selling.
But hey who cares if it ruined lives across the Globe…..a Good capitalist only wants more for himself !
Thus the White man’s Bail out or Welfare to the Poor sloppy Rich !
Call it any way you want the WAR was about Money and Oil, and it never mattered how badly it hurt American’s or even the American soldier !
And “Faulty Intelligence” is just that for those who believe it ! “Mission Accomplished” was the Bilking of America !
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
9:44 pm
Peter@7:09, It’s the Dems who have given us a self-imposed ban on drilling for our own oil because we have to “save the planet” but we are forced to buy oil from other “planets” such as Canada & Mexico.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
9:47 pm
Linda,
We are forced to burn oil and to do things as big business wants us to do ! I suppose food and clean water is less important than oil ?
Truth teller
November 23rd, 2009
9:51 pm
We all agree that Bush spent too much money and ran deficits also. Of course Obama comes in and quadruples what Bush spent and its all ok.
What I don’t get is all the people complaining about 8 years of Bush. If your complaint is about the Iraq war then fair enough.
But to complain about the economy when Bush was in charge? What planet are some of you guys living on? The facts are that for 6 of his 8 years we had full employment and hit record low unemployment rates that have never been seen since world war 2. We had low inflation, historically low interest rates, etc. Things were largely good until the oil shock that drove gas to $4 a gallon rocked the country. To say otherwise is simply in attempt to revise history. And lets keep in mind that Bush inherited a small recession and that 9/11 was a blow to the economy also.
People can blame Bush for the war and for spending too much and running deficits. That’s an honest thing to be critical of. But to ignore history and the fact that our economy did very well for 6 years is simply dishonest. The numbers don’t lie. The economy did very well for 6 of the 8 Bush years.
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
9:53 pm
Peter@&;36, Do you know the difference between the deficit & the debt?
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
9:54 pm
ask@7:39,????
Truth teller
November 23rd, 2009
9:58 pm
Peter,
The air and water are cleaner now than they’ve been in at least 7 or 8 decades. Take a look at pictures of Pittsburgh, Birmingham, or any other big city from the 50s and 60s. The air was filthy. Take a look at pics of large cities today and its obvious how much cleaner the air is. Water quality is also substantially better. The new air and water quality standards that were first enacted in the 70s with the creation of the EPA and later strengthened have made air and water dramatically cleaner in the last 30-40 years. Ever notice we don’t have acid rain anymore??? You may be too young to know about things like acid rain, ddt, etc. but we don’t have those issues any more.
People have been conditioned to think for some reason by over the top environmentalists that air and water quality are worse when that is simply not the case. The facts are otherwise.
Truth teller
November 23rd, 2009
10:03 pm
Peter,
Capitalism has raised more boats out of poverty than any socialist system. And as far as environmental damage goes capitalist nations have dramatically superior air and water quality than say China or eastern europe during communist times. Eastern Europe under communism was an ecological freaking disaster. Chernobyl handed in a communist not capitalist nation. The air quality in China is of incredibly filthy and has been for decades. If you’ve been to China or you know anyone who travels there they will tell you firsthand just how filthy the air and water are. And lets not even get started on North Korea.
Truth teller
November 23rd, 2009
10:07 pm
Linda,
What’s really funny is that the Obama administration gave brazil loan guarantees to fund offshore drilling for oil. Imagine that. They will help other countries tap their own oil resources but when it comes to us getting at our own oil. Nooooooo way Jose. No sir. How they try to explain this mind boggling policy is beyond me.
Truth teller
November 23rd, 2009
10:12 pm
Peter and Linda,
Actually yellowcake uranium (2 tons of it) was found in Irag last year by the Bush administration. Yellowcake is used for the development of nuclear weaponry. This was reported by the AP but in most papers was reported in 2 small paragraphs on the very back page of the paper.
As for the intelligence of WMDs in Irag 6 major intelligence agencies, us, the brits, the french, russian, German, and Israeli intelligence agencies all believed Sadamm still possessed WMDs. The iranians and several Kurdish towns still believed it also since they were gassed with Mustard and sarin gas several times in the 90s. Bush never lied. The intelligence was simply wrong and everybody got it wrong. Not just us.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
10:20 pm
Hey Truth Teller……… we all know the ecological situation in China, and North Korea, it is all over the news………but drilling off the coast seams silly when the accident can cause many, many years of problems for the area that has the disaster.
I guess you all would like to go to Florida, and see it the same as the Texas coast ? A dump ?
Funny China, Europe, and other small places understand what Green power can mean, and it is typical US, that won’t go that way……just like we won’t go mass transit, even though it would help greatly.
Why are we not switching more to natural gas alone? It is cleaner, more efficient, and apparently we have a huge stock pile of it here already !
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
10:22 pm
Hey Truth Teller……. what do they have to do to the supposed Yellow cake to make it into a bomb ?
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
10:26 pm
Peter@9:44, I offered my synopsis of what caused the world-side economic collapse. Kyle didn’t call me on the carpet for what I said. You have argued & not offered any prove that anything I said was not the truth. Rather, what you offered solidified my opinion. Kyle called you on the carpet for repeatedly quoting the same article.
The subprime mortgages bundled with prime mortgages that were sold on Wall St. were NOT just “recently sold on Wall St.” If they were, why did we have a collapse that started a year & a half ago & what did the secondary lenders including Fannie Mae do with them for the last 10 yrs.?
You are really grasping at straws & refusing to face reality. Do your own research.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
10:30 pm
Hey Truth Teller .Read about the Yellow cake that had been in Iraq since 1991.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/07/about_that_500_tons_of_yellow.html
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
10:33 pm
Peter@9:47, Excuse my inability to understand your logic. Why does big business force us to burn oil? I thought we burned oil to drive our cars. What does food & clean water have to do with oil?
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
10:35 pm
Hey Linda…… Kyle didn’t what ?
Why don’t you read this then……..http://www.ntic-us.org/documents/WallStreetandtheMakingoftheSubprimeDisaster.pdf
The following is a brief summary of each section of the report:
· Part I: Investment banks’ subprime motive: billions in revenues and bonuses. Subprime-related bonds
were the hottest products in the US financial markets from 2001 to 2006, and bankers who worked in these
fields took home some of the largest bonuses on Wall Street.
When did Bush take Office ?
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
10:37 pm
Perhaps you don’t like seafood Linda !
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
10:39 pm
Truth teller@10:07, The oil from Brazil was to satisfy contracts with China. It’s like an international soap opera.
Peter
November 23rd, 2009
11:10 pm
Hey Linda……Please watch this video, and tell me you want to see this scenario played out at your favorite Florida beach ?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2009/nov/02/oil-leak-timor-sea
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
11:14 pm
Peter@10:35, You are missing years of the debacle because you refuse to research it. You can’t just read & refer to any one or two articles. There’s plenty of blame to go around for what happened & it’s important that Americans know the truth so that we don’t repeat it.
Blaming Bush for the economic crisis makes as much sense as blaming him for 9/11. Just because 9/11 happened 7+ mts after he was inaugurated doesn’t mean he was piloting the planes. I’m not defending Bush for everything he did & I’m not defending enhanced interrogation techniques, but the fact of the matter is that he did keep us safe for 7 1/2 yrs.
Let me tell you one more thing before I sign off. This is not a football game. There are no sides. We, as Americans, either win or lose, together, as a country.
My parents were Dems. I was raised as a Dem. I’m still a registered Dem. Yrs. ago there was not as much difference between Dems & Reps & there still isn’t on a state or local level. However, there is a HUGE difference in the US Congress between the parties. The American people are still centered, either moderate Dems or moderate Reps.
Research & then decide your position, which is extremely important today. Don’t gamble on hearsay. Be your own man. May God bless you.
Linda
November 23rd, 2009
11:36 pm
Peter@10:20, You are indoctrinated. What “news” do you watch? You need to expand your horizons.
Peter@11:10 You want me to watch a video taped in Florida by the newspaper Guardian in the UK that is so left-wing it’s pathetic? I don’t have time for more rhetoric.
Prioritize your sources so you will be more credible.
Don’t believe everything you find on the internet. Question everything.
Glenn
November 24th, 2009
8:37 am
@ David – What does Fannie & Freddie have to do with there not being an algorithm for property ever losing value ? Don’t you think any mention of the current real estate bust in any detail without mentioning the Glass Steagall Act or the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act is kind of silly .
Reality
November 24th, 2009
8:50 am
The Dow is up, and the investor class on Wall St. is making profits. Meanwhile, we on Main St. are waiting for the trickle down affect. Those of us on Side St. will eventually get our crumbs. Big business robs us, and big government robs us. Big religion bullies us.
Peter
November 24th, 2009
8:53 am
Linda, being close minded and not willing to watch the video is interesting…….Knowing that the Bush administration paid zero attention to the middle east when first in office, I guess has zero to do with 911? But hey that 911 is Clinton’s fault right.HA HA HA…….Sure !
David Axelfraud
November 24th, 2009
9:07 am
Glenn, why are you asking a question that has nothing to do with the conversation between Peter, Native and I? I was simply pointing out the source of the housing crisis. Make sense?
David Axelfraud
November 24th, 2009
9:24 am
Eugene Robinson, a black “journalist” who loves his blackness and talks about it everyday on Morning Joe, loves the idea of health care rationing. FINALLY, a liberal who admits that AcornCare will end with rationing and people dying.
Rationing, the Unspeakable, But Honest Solution
By Eugene Robinson
WASHINGTON — The uproar over the on-again, off-again guidelines on when women should have mammograms is proof of the blindingly obvious: Health care reform that actually controls costs — rather than just pretending to do so — would be virtually impossible to achieve.
I say “would be” because none of the voluminous reform bills being shuttled around the Capitol on hand trucks even tries to address a central factor that sends costs spiraling out of control, which is that each of us wants the best shot at a long, healthy life that medical science can offer. Just as all politics is local, all health care is personal. Skimping on somebody else’s tests and procedures may be worth debating, but don’t mess with mine.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/24/my_medical_care_–_and_yours_99271.html
Glenn
November 24th, 2009
9:26 am
Obviously David my response was to your response to my response yesterday . Nothing about you makes sense .
David Axelfraud
November 24th, 2009
9:26 am
So much for Global Warming or whatever the libs call it these days. Poor Al Gore, I wonder what scam he will come up with next?
The Fix is In
By Robert Tracinski
In early October, I covered a breaking story about evidence of corruption in the basic temperature records maintained by key scientific advocates of the theory of man-made global warming. Global warming “skeptics” had unearthed evidence that scientists at the Hadley Climatic Research Unit at Britain’s University of East Anglia had cherry-picked data to manufacture a “hockey stick” graph showing a dramatic-but illusory-runaway warming trend in the late 20th century.
But now newer and much broader evidence has emerged that looks like it will break that scandal wide open. Pundits have already named it “Climategate.”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/24/the_fix_is_in_99280.html
David Axelfraud
November 24th, 2009
9:28 am
Glenn, awe, poor whittle Glenn. She couldn’t accept a simple explanation so she went and wet her pants.
Glenn
November 24th, 2009
9:52 am
Your a loser David .
dewstarpath
November 24th, 2009
10:50 am
Elmer Fudd is a cartoon character.
Enough with the insults.
Kyle Wingfield
November 24th, 2009
11:32 am
ask a native: For the record, I’m not sure why your posts at 7:34 p.m. and 7:43 p.m. were held in moderation. Apologies. But it looks like the essence of what you wanted to say eventually made it on here.
David Axelfraud
November 24th, 2009
12:08 pm
You can’t spell, Glenn. Oh, and you’re a troglodyte
Glenn
November 24th, 2009
3:09 pm
No David I have a job . Way to be the blog spell check . You are still a loser . Hey , if I made another spelling or punctuation error please correct it . You apparently have all day to listen to AM radio . No wonder you are like you are .
Robert
November 24th, 2009
5:29 pm
I think the primary reason why the stimulus bill hasn’t worked is because the democrats treated it as a Santa wish list for everything they couldn’t get previously, which had nothing to do with creating jobs…the reason why the bill was passed (at least that is how it was explained to everyone at the time!) If we truly spent all the money on projects that created jobs, the unemployment figure wouldn’t be over 10%. Now, the democrats are trying to say that over 650,000 jobs were created. We all know that is based on phony information. The point is, this was supposed to be a job creation bill and instead Nancy Pelosi got several million dollars for some rat park in San Francisco. The democrats like to think of themselves as the party of the people, but their policies don’t seem to work for the “people”. When is half of America going to figure this out?
David Axelfraud
November 25th, 2009
9:54 am
Glenn, you must make a fortune off of your psychic powers. You’ve predicted two things about me. None of which are true.
I have a few assumptions about you. You are a girl who lives with her mom in south Georgia in a trailer park. You borrow her computer and pretend to have a job.