One not-so-short list for the GOP in 2012

Someone asked during yesterday’s discussion about Sarah Palin and her book whom I would consider a good presidential candidate for 2012. Assuming that President Obama will run for re-election and won’t be seriously challenged for the Democrats’ nomination, the focus is on the Republicans. At RealClearPolitics, Tom Bevan and Mike Memoli have compiled a list of five dark horses — by which they mean candidates that haven’t been getting the attention given to former Alaska governor and vice presidential nominee Palin, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty.

Their list: Sen. John Thune of South Dakota, Gov. Mitch Daniels of Indiana, Gov. Rick Perry of Texas, Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma and…drumroll, please…Dick Cheney. They don’t say why they listed the potential candidates in this particular order.

They also list some “second-tier” candidates (shouldn’t that be “third-tier”?) in Gen. David Petraeus and Reps. Eric Cantor, Mike Pence and Paul Ryan.

Do any of these candidates spark an interest?

77 comments Add your comment

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
1:51 pm

I was about to say Kyle, did you get that from realclearpolitics?

Bottom line: By 2012 it won’t matter who the candidate is. Bozo the clown could beat Obama.

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
1:53 pm

Here is my dream list for the GOP.

Sarah Palin running the GOP.

Mitch Daniels/Rick Perry or Mitch Daniels/Bobby Jindal.

Gen. David Petraeus for Secretary of State.

Churchill's MOM

November 17th, 2009
2:26 pm

Wingboy, I screwed up, I cut & pasted your name when I was after the FRAUD,, SORRY, I’ll do better..

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
1:51 pm

DO YOU HAVE A JOB?

Gregg

November 17th, 2009
2:27 pm

@ David Axelfraud what has Sarah Palin done to make you say that you would vote for her. What leadership style do she have that makes her a great leader?

saywhat?

November 17th, 2009
2:28 pm

David Axelfraud wrote:
“Bottom line: By 2012 it won’t matter who the candidate is. Bozo the clown could beat Obama.”

You are absolutely correct! Too bad for Republicans neither Bozo nor anybody that qualified will be running on their ticket. By 2012 the economy will have turned around, Obama will get the credit and he will remain in office until 2016. Get over it.

Chris Broe

November 17th, 2009
2:28 pm

Glenn Beck is as viable a candidate as Dick Cheney, Sarah P. or Huckabee.

Entertainment a candidate makes. (Yoda)

jt

November 17th, 2009
2:30 pm

Eric Cantor’s wife is a hard-core democrat.

Therefore, he is subject to blackmail and/or bribery.

If he is still interested in her.

Vote no for Eric.

Unless Ron Paul is elected as an independent or Libertarian, the election really won’t matter anyhoo. Wish all you want.

It will be business as usual, scr#w the working man. And woman.

Gregg

November 17th, 2009
2:32 pm

@ jt, so is Maria Shriver little good that has done the state of California.

Conservative White Male

November 17th, 2009
2:32 pm

David, do not answer them until they tell you what made them votr for a community organizer from a seedy city like Chicago.

Palin represents all that was good with America before P.C. and civil rights. When god and country came first, and everyone worked hard without feelig like the govt owes them something

Gregg

November 17th, 2009
2:35 pm

@ Conservative White Male: So the country was at its best before civil rights (ie. the Bill of Rights). The same rights you quote when you want to keep your guns. Sarah Plain has no education nor leadership style. She is by far the most newsworthy quitter I have ever seen. Sure elect her President and when things get bad she will just up and quit that too.

jt

November 17th, 2009
2:40 pm

Gregg

November 17th, 2009
2:32 pm

@ jt, so is Maria Shriver little good that has done the state of California.

Perfect example.

Women have a way to bend men’s will. Been doing it for millions of years.

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
3:07 pm

Churchill’s MOM, yes I do. Thanks for asking. I can multitask. You should try it!

Gregg, I’ll ask you the same question about Obama Hussein. What has he accomplished besides organizing a community of acorns?

saywhat?, can you predict everyone a job too?

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
3:09 pm

saywhat?, how do you know the economy will turn around in 2012?

So far, Obamas economic predictions have failed on all cylinders. Stimulus failed. Jobs numbers failed. He didn’t save or create any jobs and he got caught lying about jobs creations.

StJ

November 17th, 2009
3:09 pm

Other than Cheney, I don’t know what the others stand for, and can’t really say whether I’d vote for any of them at this point. (Not sure I’d vote for Cheney either.)

Now Ron Paul, that’s a guy I’d vote for. Chances of him being on the R ticket in 2012: slim and none. Not that it bothers me. (Quick, somebody report me to the gov’t – I could be a terrorist for supporting Ron.)

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
3:10 pm

Conservative White Male, hey, I am white too. But being white these days means that people like you and me are racists. Man, my white taxpayer dollars sure are going to good use these days paying for all of the non-racists jobs and such.

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
3:11 pm

Conservative White Male, according to Cynthia Tucker and her ilk, white people like you and I are guilty of racism because we were born white.

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
3:13 pm

Gregg, Sarah Palin has an education. She just didn’t happen to have affirmative action to help give her a Harvard education like Obama.

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
3:15 pm

Gregg, Sarah Palin has more testosterone than B Hussein Obama has had in his entire life. If Obama Hussein is so smart then how come he has had ZERO accomplishments since he’s been elected president?

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
3:19 pm

Gregg, you may want to read up on current events before spouting off hate for Sarah Palin.

Exclusive: Jobs ‘Saved or Created’ in Congressional Districts That Don’t Exist

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jobs-saved-created-congressional-districts-exist/story?id=9097853

John

November 17th, 2009
3:34 pm

Hey, David Axelfraud maybe you can explain something to me. I’m confused about Sarah Palin. Is Sarah Palin for or against socialism? In Alaska she bragged about distributing the wealth from Alaska’s natural resources to Alaskans, but in the presidential election said that Obama would be a socialist and that would be bad for america. So is she for or against socialsim. Also are you against social security and medicare? You seem to have plenty of time to post, so answer if your aren’t chicken please.

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
3:37 pm

She is against socialism. Um, do you know the difference between natural resources and taking profits from companies? Answer: No.

I am against Social Security, Medicare etc..

Are you a racist Nazi?

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
3:38 pm

John, I am taking a guess to you actually are. You are either Gregg, Calhoun or Dewstarpath. All three of you sound and write in the same manner.

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
3:41 pm

John, if you were competent enough to understand basic English, then you would know that Sarah was talking about sharing Alaskas oil to its own people. Make sense? Probably not since you don’t have a clue as to what the word socialism means.

Steve

November 17th, 2009
3:45 pm

I would really like to see Colin Powell head the ticket with Huckabee as VP, but the odds of that happening are probably 0%.

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
3:46 pm

Steve, Powell is a democrat.

Steve

November 17th, 2009
3:53 pm

I think he actually considers himself a moderate Republican. He just endorsed Obama this election. Not sure he will do that in 2012

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
4:03 pm

Steve, Powell sides with democrats more than the GOP. He’s not a moderate on anything. Moderates always lose elections. Mccain, Dole etc….

dewstarpath

November 17th, 2009
4:23 pm

- Axelfraud –
I am not John. Do not assign other posts to me that
I did not write. If you want to be respected on a mesage board,
YOU have to respect others.

dewstarpath

November 17th, 2009
4:26 pm

- Proper Grammar –
3:38 pm = I am taking a guess AS to WHO you
actually are.

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
4:30 pm

dewstarpath, eh. Ok.

dewstarpath

November 17th, 2009
4:32 pm

- Axelfraud – Thank you.

John

November 17th, 2009
4:37 pm

David, I speak only for myself, but talking to you reminds me of the quote, “Never wrestle with a pig because you will end up covered in dodo and the pig will enjoy it. ”

So you seem to claim that Sarah’s endorsement of redistributing the natural resources of Alaska to its residents is not a socialist policy. Would you be for the redistribution of wealth from U.S. natural resources like coal , oil and forest products to its residents? Since in your opinion it is not a socialist policy? I’m pretty sure that it is a socialist policy.

I personally prefer regulated capitalism instead.

From wikipedia : Socialism

Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
4:43 pm

John, how is drilling for oil and having other states pay for that oil socialism? You have socialism mixed up comrade. She was not for having the government take over the oil industry and “spreading” it to America. Alaskan oil for Alaskan people is not socialism.

Socialism: a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

I don’t see how you can compare drilling for our own oil by companies like Exxon and then saying that government controls it. Doesn’t add up.

As for the pig, you are already covered in feces.

The American People

November 17th, 2009
4:48 pm

Please, please can we get rid of Obama. Georgia will do it’s part who else is with us?

John

November 17th, 2009
5:32 pm

So Palin imposing a windfall tax on corporations and then redistributing it to Alaskan citizens is
not a socialist policy? In fact she gave Alaskans more money than any other governor it seems.

From voterfactcheck.com :

Did Palin impose a windfall profits tax on Alaskan oil?Yes. In 2008 Alaskans received $1,200 each from the windfall tax, in addition to $2,069 they received from other oil taxes.

In 2007 Palin pushed for and enacted a major increase in state oil taxes – a step that generated stunning revenues for Alaska as oil prices soared. The Alaska Oil and Gas Association estimates the state collected $6 billion from Palin-imposed windfall taxes during the fiscal year that ended on June 30, 2008. Combined with other new and existing oil taxes and royalties, the state’s total oil revenue in that fiscal year exceeded $10 billion – double the amount the state received the previous fiscal year. [1]

Palin’s windfall tax funded a $1,200 “rebate” that Alaska gave to every eligible man, woman and child in Alaska to help offset fuel prices. That money was dispersed as part of larger, $3,269 check that Alaskans received that was paid for by state taxes on oil companies – a family of four received a check for $13,076. The fuel rebates will cost the state $750 million. [1-3]

Background:

In October 2007 Palin rolled out a tax increase plan on oil companies operating in Alaska, including a windfall profits tax. Palin’s plan, called the “Alaska’s Clear and Equitable Share” (ACES) plan, was approved by the state Legislature and includes:

* Raising the state’s current net profits tax on North Slope oil from a 22.5% to 25.0% base.

* A “progressive” windfall profits tax: When oil prices rise above about $50 a barrel, the tax rate increases by 0.2% for each additional dollar a barrel.

* A 10% tax floor on North Slope oil, to kick in if prices go below about $40 a barrel. [4]

Palin in November 2007, on her ACES tax hike:

“The state of Alaska is currently the largest investor on the North Slope, having paid for 50 percent of all investments in 2007. Yet our share of net revenue, including royalties, property and corporate income tax, was about 40 percent. The “equitable share” component in ACES narrows this gap…

“One of the key knobs in my plan is the progressiveness knob. Progressiveness is the additional share we capture when oil prices and profits are high…

“The reality is we are a state very rich in natural resources. Currently, we do not receive fair value for our resources as they’re extracted and sold for us, at a premium, to very hungry markets. My administration and the 25th State Legislature have an opportunity to build a tax structure that is clear and equitable. That’s what we get with ACES.” [5]

On September 5th, 2008 Alaska’s Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell announced the $3,269 check that every eligible man, woman and child in Alaska will receive, which includes the $1,200 windfall profit rebate Palin backed and was approved the previous month. Parnell on the $1,200 windfall profit rebate:

“The royalty dollars that flow through the state are the people’s wealth. The $1,200 resource rebate goes to that philosophy.” [2]

So am I supposed to believe levying windfall taxes on corporations and redistributing the wealth to citizens is not a socialist policy?

So I ask again, is she for socialism or against it?

oldimer

November 17th, 2009
5:41 pm

I like Huckaby, Romney, and Ron Paul.

Kyle Wingfield

November 17th, 2009
5:44 pm

John: Please try to keep your comments shorter…just post a summary and link to the full information.

John

November 17th, 2009
5:46 pm

Kyle, sorry about that. I didn’t think the link would post, I’ll post a link next time.

StJ

November 17th, 2009
5:52 pm

…yep, smells like socialism.

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
5:54 pm

John, I am not Sarah Palin. From what I have read and her actions as governor, no she is not a socialist. I’ve already answered your question. The “government” did not drill for oil in Alaska. Oil companies did. Oil companies are not socialist. They sell their product. If you think that Palin is a socialist then take it up with her.

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
5:56 pm

“The Sarah Palin phenomenon is about a vacuum being filled by somebody in a political party that has nobody else speaking that way.” -Rush Limbaugh.

He’s right. The GOP is full of crusty old guys with no new ideas. She is a leader and libs are scared to death of her.

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
5:57 pm

John, since you are down on Palin, who would you recommend? I mean, the only thing your rambled on about is Palin.

jconservative

November 17th, 2009
6:42 pm

I vote NO on Perry, Coburn & Cheney. Perry will not renounce seceding from the United States, so I consider him no better than any Al Quaeda member. Cheney is on his death bed. Coburn is just personal.
Do not know Thune & Daniels that well.

Today I would vote for Romney.

If unemployment is under 8% in October 2012, Obama will get 350 electoral votes minimum. Some of you folks really need to look at the 2004 & 2008 election results. Your hating a guy has nothing to do with the electoral college politics.

John

November 17th, 2009
6:55 pm

None of the conservatives interest me. They all seem full of it. The only one I like is Jesse Ventura. He hates politics, thinks organized religion is a sham and is a real war hero not some chickenhawk that is in a hurry to send young men away from their families to die in a foreign country. I’ll take a straight talker any day over these political creations we see being put before us to appeal to our idealisms. Sure he has vices, but at least he is man enough to admit them.

I’m tired of having patriotic and religious smoke blown up my butt by these political candidates. I’m looking at your actions not your words. Look at the previous 8 years, and six of those years conservatives controlled congress too. He sure talked a good talk, but look at the actions and where we have ended up because of them( Deficits as far as you can see, more corruption, never ending wars, widespread mortgage fraud and bank failures, energy and food prices skyrocketing , reduced, bigger government) The talk didn’t match the actions, and many like myself are sorely tired of that. If being a conservative is such a moral thing why did they get rid of the federal whistle blower protection act? If your answer is because when conservatives are in charge they don’t have those kind of problems, you are kidding yourself.

People need to stop letting these candidates take advantage of their idealism.

It seems like they tell you they are going put an extra dollar in your right pocket and then end up taking two out of your left through their policies.

jconservative

November 17th, 2009
7:04 pm

Re Palin & socialism discussion between David A & John. Her words on the day of the Exxon Valdez decision by the Suptreme Court:

“The oil companies are our partners.”

And John is correct re the taxes on the oil companies by Alaska under Palin. 25% tax? Are you kidding? Yes, 25% tax. She proposed & the Democratic legislature approved.

Palin is like Bush 43, talks one way but acts another way.

I highly recommend that you folks look at what people do, not what they say.

If she is a conservative I am a resident of Mars.

Damage Repair 2012

November 17th, 2009
7:44 pm

My 2012 White House Dream Team:

President: Mitt Romney
VP: Michelle Bachman
Senior WH Advisor: Newt Gingrich
Chief of Staff: Sarah Palin
Secretary of State: Liz Cheney
Defense Secretary: Gen David Petraus
WH Press Secretary: Brett Baier
Treasury Secretary: Clark Howard :)

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
8:08 pm

John, Jesse Ventura??????? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

WOW! Ventura was a complete buffoon. His only glory was starring in a movie where he got his torso blown out by an intergalactic space hunter.

Please, do us all a favor and head over to Cynthia Tuckers Palin bashing blog. It’s where you belong. With the rest of the 911 conspiracy trolls.

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
8:09 pm

jconservative, who else gets the oil for us?

We are partners with the oil companies because guess what, oh bright one, oil companies are private and therefore employ thousands of workers. Oh, and guess what else. You take those oil companies away and you have to use your car as scrap metal.

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
8:09 pm

jconservative, how is that view from Mars?

David Axelfraud

November 17th, 2009
8:16 pm

jconservative, by the way, I do look at what she did in Alaska and from what I can see from her record, it’s pretty damn good.

Now, tell me please, who is your ideal candidate?