On Palin and ‘Going Rogue’
A former editor of mine, Melanie Kirkpatrick, reviews Sarah Palin’s “Going Rogue” here. Her conclusion is about what I had expected, not having read the book yet myself: It’s a story about Palin’s life and the 2008 campaign that is unlikely to change many minds about the former Alaska governor.
I was told before the reviews started trickling out, by someone who would know, that Palin’s book would contain mostly predictable content — but also some controversial material that would make news for a couple of weeks. So far, I haven’t seen any evidence of that in the reviews I’ve read.
My guess is that few people are going to change their opinions of Palin, especially in a positive sense, unless she takes the time to build a substantial record that can’t be ignored. (If Hillary Clinton is any indication, the U.S. Senate is not the place to do that.)
Am I right? What would it take for you Palin critics out there to change your minds about her? How would you Palin supporters out there make your case? And keep it clean, folks.
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Jefferson
November 16th, 2009
11:20 am
Kyle – Honestly, do you want her to be the President. On her own merit, no comparisons. Wait, you journalists my bond together.
She just ain’t smart enough.
Kyle Wingfield
November 16th, 2009
11:28 am
Right now, Jefferson? No.
Am I willing to revisit that question down the road if she builds a substantial record on the issues that got her elected in Alaska, like energy and government corruption, as well as the ones on which she’s weaker today? Sure.
Joan
November 16th, 2009
11:32 am
Unfortunately Sarah Palin has become a lightening rod for ridicule–deserved or not. She is a distraction, and a liability to any Republican roster of potential candidates for the Presidency. If Alaska wants to make her a senator, great, and then maybe she can prove herself. But she will never get the free ride that Obama has gotten. We need to find competent, considerate and intelligent candidates who can talk to the majority of the people and isn’t bound by the dogma that has shot the Republican party in the foot to date–namely conservatism on fiscal issues, and fascism on social issues.
Alton E. Drew
November 16th, 2009
11:40 am
When John Kennedy wrote Profiles in Courage, we got a sense of a man who understood what it took for a leader to make tough decisions; decisions that go against the grain and those decisions may impact policy. While it may have given people insights into how he apporached governing, the book was not about him. Today’s politicians write a book that glorifies personal celebrity without any insight into how their “philosophy” would impact policy. They play the personality game and Americans, so caught up in the mindset of reality TV, buy into it. In short, she’s a good looking woman who doesn’t relate to 60-80% of America.
Kyle Wingfield
November 16th, 2009
11:57 am
Alton E. Drew: I agree with you about political books these days. And if by “relate” you mean that perhaps 60 percent of Americans would not today consider voting for her (80 percent is probably too high), you may be right. But I would argue that the main thing Palin has going for her is that she does relate to lots of Americans — which is why she gave the McCain campaign a bump when she was added to the ticket. Her “hockey mom” persona probably relates better to more Americans than President Obama’s price-of-arugula-at-Whole-Foods or clinging-to-guns-and-religion comments. (Not that I want to turn this into an Obama discussion.)
The question is what she offers beyond that, and I think that’s where she has the most work to do if she’s going to be a national candidate again.
booger
November 16th, 2009
12:10 pm
I think Palin’s future should be as a conservative at large. She can never be president because of the slam job by the media, and she is too conservative to be a Republican, but as a conservative, she is a great asset. She would be very good in the Senate as an independant I think. A bit of counterbalance to the Frank, Dodd, and Pelosi.
Davo
November 16th, 2009
12:11 pm
Here’s the thing with Sarah; there’s nothing exceptional about her. Maybe that’s a gift for people like Kyle as they can treat her as a blank slate to draw their own agendas on. Somehow the fact that she re-nigged on her own state becomes back-burner when, in fact, compared to the rest of her ‘accomplishments’ that episode is the most pertainent. I wonder how far true conservatives will allow the GOP to go in supporting her.
jconservative
November 16th, 2009
12:11 pm
Sarah Palin? She will make a ton of money on this book & anything else she does in the “political entertainment” business.
Kyle, I will try to answer your question, what would it take for me to change my mind about her viability as a presidential candidate?
My biggest problem with Palin is a moral judgement by me. Her high school daughter ends up pregnant & Palin makes an international celebrity out of that pregnant daughter just so she could, maybe, get a promotion at work, from Gov to VP. I say she sold out her daughter.
All you people with daughters, is that what you would do under similar circumstances? All you people who have had daughters with the same circumstances, did you call a news conference & get her on the Channel 5 6:00 o’clock news? No you did not! This puts Palin real high on my list of people in whom I have no respect.
I doubt if my opinion can be changed. But I am notorious in my crowd for being open minded. Time will tell.
Kyle Wingfield
November 16th, 2009
12:20 pm
Davo, I have a hard time understanding how you’ve drawn me into the Palin fan club based on what I’ve written here today or in the past. Certainly her resignation as governor is one prime reason she’d have to build a substantial record in the future to have real political credibility.
But the blank slate thing is interesting, given that that’s exactly what Obama has said about himself. Is that all politicians are today? Blank slates to which people subscribe until they’ve seen enough real performance to make them move on to someone else?
I’m not sure how many cases that really applies to…but if true it would explain some of the trouble we’ve gotten in thanks to pols of all political persuasions.
Jefferson
November 16th, 2009
12:21 pm
Thanks for the response. What got me about her was when asked about supreme court decisions she disagreed with (a mean media question), her answer was “lots of them”. Roe v. Wade for a “conservative” should have blurted out. I had a prof that would circle answers like that (in red) and intial them “BS”. With her it reminds me of an Andy Griffith show when Aunt Bee was going to run for mayor. She was being popular instead of thinking and going against the public sentiment for the better of the town and spending of the taxpayer’s money.
By the same token, comparing her to others already in government she fits right in.
Churchill's MOM
November 16th, 2009
12:36 pm
Guess what I’ll be doing today at 4:00.
**Handel 2010*** Palin Mccain 212***
Middle-of-the-road
November 16th, 2009
12:43 pm
Kyle, I supported McCain when he ran against George W the first time. I had high hopes that he’d make it all the way to the White House – right up until the point where he nominated Sarah Palin. Poor Judgement. Rush Limbaugh wanted Sarah and John responded in order to solify his base. He didn’t need to solify his base – his based wasn’t going to vote for Obama. He should have gone towards the middle. Sarah – as a woman – embarrasses me. As a mother, she horrifies me. As a potential leader of the nation – dealing with real ecnomic and military issues on the national and international front – she terrifies me. There are more qualified candidates out there. We can only pray they come foward in 2011 and start to prepare for 2012. Sarah is an entertainer like Rush Limbaugh – all smoke and mirrors. I won’t by her book because I bet it is full of excuses.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
12:52 pm
There are about 5 potential conservative candidates out there other than Palin. I think Palin would be great for a VP candidate running with someone like Jindal or Daniels. Palin can do whatever she wants because she can draw in huge crowds of people just like Obama did a year ago.
Bottom line: By 2012 the USA will be BEGGING for change we can believe in.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
12:57 pm
Kyle Wingfield, it does not matter if Palin runs for president in 2012. She can do whatever she wants. She will sell millions of books and draw support for conservative candidates. People who call her a joke etc are doing this at their own risk. Obama is in serious trouble as are all the democrats. Name calling etc.. is only going to get them in further hot water.
Bottom line: Obama Hussein is a ridiculous joke that makes Jimmy Carter look competent.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
12:58 pm
jconservative, I watched Palin from day one. I don’t remember her EVER making a celebrity out of her daughter. She cleared the air about it when PMSNBC and other state controlled media outlets ran up to Alaska to go through her garbage cans.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
1:00 pm
Kyle, let me ask you a question. Who do you consider a great candidate for 2012?
The reason I ask is that armchair quarterbacks always sit around nitpicking this and that yet they can never actually tell any of us WHO they would support.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
1:05 pm
Middle-of-the-road, ever heard of spell check?
George
November 16th, 2009
1:13 pm
Kyle, you must have at least some capacity to estimate relative cognitive capacity. Palin made George W. look both well prepared and intelligent in contrast. As the sign by the two demoonstrators at the White House fence noted: McCain: “Women have not waited 232 years for Sarah Palin.”
Iread
November 16th, 2009
1:27 pm
The people who elect our presidents are not the people who cast votes based on ideology. Conservatives will vote for Palin, or whoever’s running on that side. Liberals will vote for Obama, or whoever’s running on that side. Presidential elections are determined by people who vote against people they don’t want and the primary factor in recent elections has been goofiness. Clinton was not goofy at all and ran against two goofy candidates. As incredible as it may seem,, George W. Bush was less goofy than Gore or Kerry. (Who can ever forget the salute and “Reporting for duty.” Goofy, goofy, goofy.) Obama may be a lot of things people don’t like, but he’s not goofy and McCain is. Palin? As goofy as it gets. All those winks, shout-outs, and hockey mom stuff. She is unelectable unless Obama decides not to run and Palin has the same incredible luck George Jr. had.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
1:40 pm
Iread, please explain Reagan.
Joey
November 16th, 2009
1:41 pm
There is a significant difference between “selling one’s daughter” and “hiding the daughter in shame”. If the Palin’s had not openly acknowledge the pregnancy Democrats, the Media (both Left and Right Wings), and the Republican intelligencia would have had a much bigger feeding frenzy.
In my view it took real courage for the Palin’s to acknowledge the pregnancy and real courage for McCain to stick with Palin afterward.
Kyle Wingfield
November 16th, 2009
1:48 pm
Axelfraud: I am waiting to see who will be in the ring in 2012 besides the leftovers from 2008. I am intrigued by Mitch Daniels of Indiana, although I don’t know much about him besides his budget-balancing success.
I know we won’t see Democratic candidates before 2016, but on that side I would be similarly intrigued by Phil Bredesen of Tennessee. (Intrigued by a Democrat? Horror! I know!)
Real American
November 16th, 2009
2:01 pm
Wow….Sarah is not an intellect by any stretch of the imagination. She is a hick and to suggest that she could actually hold any national office is patently absurd. Geez…what a message to send the children, don’t study, just get by on your “privilege” and call it a day.
Iread
November 16th, 2009
2:06 pm
Axelfraud: You have to be kidding? Reagan was the Gipper. the Twenty-Mule team guy on the western desert. He was not goofy — compared to Jimmy Carter? the crisis in confidence? (A speech I liked, but was deemed very, very goofy.) and then Mondale? Reagan supports the point.
President OBAMA
November 16th, 2009
2:12 pm
Kyle Wingfield is obsessed with me
my name has been mentioned here more than the Palin lady. Heh…
Say What Say Huh?
November 16th, 2009
2:17 pm
“George W. Bush was less goofy than Gore or Kerry…”
SURELY you jest???
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
2:21 pm
Kyle Wingfield, yeah you will. Her name is Hillary. Expect her to show Obama up like Kennedy did with Carter.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
2:22 pm
Iread, I was going off of your explanation of voters always voting for the opposition party etc…
william
November 16th, 2009
2:22 pm
Who can doubt the lies and personal attacks levied on Sara Palin by the weak minded liberals. They say she is not smart enough to be President! They elected Obama! That shows you how really ignorant the left have become. The liberal media attacked Palin every day and every way they could. It was just unblievable that journalism had sunk so low. I do not believe it will ever recover until they revamp their entire staffs. Only Fox reports and lets me decide. Cnn and the others shape the news to fit their agendas. That is a fact!
I eagerly await Sara Palin’s new faceoff with the liberal media. She will not be handicapped by liberal republican like McCain this time around. She will be conservative and she will be bold. “Geeeezzzz I get a funny feeling running down my legs”
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
2:23 pm
Say What Say Huh?, Kerry is and was a moron. Plain and simple. The guy is stoooooooooooooopid!
Gore is a self righteous Vandy flunk out.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
2:24 pm
william, yeah, the high and mighty one, Obama, is too smart for us feeble minded people to understand. The guy is a walking talking nimrod.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
2:27 pm
John Kerry 04- Is this where I can git me’z a huntin license?
-I’m thrilled to be here at Lambot Field!
Al Gore- I invented the internet. We’re all doomed in 5 years……………. quote from 2000.
Carrie
November 16th, 2009
2:34 pm
Am I the only one that still thinks Palin is as competent as any candidate we’ve fielded in the past fifty years? I think a Palin Administration would send the USA into the stratosphere based on her rogue nature of total independent and original thinking. No candidate has ever said, “you betcha”. Ever.
Furthermore, Palin wowed Oprah’s audience. Do you know how difficult that is? If Palin wanted, she could be a popular host of a news show like Oreilly.
If Palin were smart, She wouldn’t run for office again. She’s the best example of a total “Atlas Shrugged” philosophy that I can think of. If you remember, in the story, Atlas was asked to run for the presidency of the united states of america, and for his response, he merely shrugged, and flipped off the RNC representative. (and laughed).
I know I would vote for Palin, but I don’t believe that nuthin good will ever happen to me, so she probably won’t run. I’ll watch her news hour, though.
Palin ‘12: Hugs are better than shrugs. (or bugs).
or thugs.
or rugs.
or everything bad.
somewhereinga
November 16th, 2009
2:43 pm
William: That funny feeling running down your leg usually means your Depends is full.
somewhereinga
November 16th, 2009
2:46 pm
Carrie: Yes… You are the only one.
Algonquin J. Calhoun
November 16th, 2009
2:49 pm
Al Gore graduated cum laude from Harvard. John Kerry graduated from Yale. Both served in Vietnam in the American armed forces.
Kyle, why would anyone support a politician who quits office with eighteen months to go on a term of office? I know I wouldn’t! Just why did she quit? She cites investigations and politically motivated complaints but it looks to me as if it’s all about the money. The father of her daughter’s child says she and her husband talked openly about cashing in. That’s sure what it looks like. As for her abilities and intelligence, neither appears acute!
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
2:50 pm
Algonquin J. Calhoun, Gore failed out of Vanderbilt University. John Kerry shot himself to get out of Vietnam. Al Gore spent his “military career” admiring communism.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
2:51 pm
The new wave of female firebrands striking fear into liberal America
Right-wing radicals are already pinning presidential ambitions on a mother-of-five from Minnesota who calls herself a ‘fool for Christ’ and condemns Obama as a socialist at the head of a gangster regime
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/15/michele-bachmann-president-sarah-palin
East Atlanta Native
November 16th, 2009
2:56 pm
Don’t know enough about her yet, but then not many of us knew anything about Obama either. And HE won! Just goes to show you that people un the U.S. do not tend to vote on issues, but on the party and/or emotions.
Middle-of-the-road
November 16th, 2009
2:56 pm
Hey, Axelfraud, good catch. I usually like to make one or two spelling errors just to see how careful you bloggers are when you read the blogs. I am always interested in people’s ideas and I hope to learn something from them. Are you paying attention to the big picture, the ideas that Kyle wanted to discuss or will you be petty and talk about typos. Guess we know in which group you belong? Now, go watch Pretty Palin on Oprah and Barbara’s shows. I am going back work. Enough diversions for the day.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
3:22 pm
Middle-of-the-road, huh, I don’t belong to any “group.” I just know how powerful Palin can be if she stays focused.
Ange
November 16th, 2009
3:32 pm
For me to change my mind about Sarah Palin it would simply demonstrating two things. Firstly, I would need her to demonstrate an understanding of foreign affairs. Secondly, she needs to demonstrate an ability to effectively respond to questions on hard-hitting topics.
Being a politician requires a deep and well-rounded understanding of the important issues and an ability to discuss them, if she cannot do that then I will continue not to take her seriously.
Rockerbabe
November 16th, 2009
3:39 pm
Mrs. Palin is just a star-struck political junkie, who has the energy and the termity to go out and promote herself as something she is not. A smart, truth-telling, thoughtful person with ideas that would benefit ALL Americans, not just the fortunate few.
She really isn’t a threat to anyone, except herself. The more she talks, the less sense she makes. Her railing against Senator McCain is a futile effort at the blame-game. Senator McCain is a trusted, strong, brave man, who took on a train he couldn’t stop. I wish he well in his future endeavors. Mrs. Palin, I would like for her to just go away.
jconservative
November 16th, 2009
3:52 pm
David Axelfraud
“jconservative, I watched Palin from day one. I don’t remember her EVER making a celebrity out of her daughter”
David she had her daughter up on the stage on day one. And for a month her daughter was on every stage. At the convention her daughter & her “husband to be” were sitting in front of the whole planet. The daughter was in every magazine in the country.
Palin made a lousy judgment call when McCain asked her to be the VP candidate. The correct response should have been “thank you for the honor, but at this time I must put family first”. But she did not, she put herself first.
What would you do David?
Real American
November 16th, 2009
3:53 pm
How many colleges did Palin attend again just to get a bachelor’s in journalism?
Road Scholar
November 16th, 2009
3:58 pm
Axlefraud: Who needs spell check when you spout the drivel you have been doing?
PS Reagan grew the size of the federal government and increased taxes. Is that what you wanted?
Linda
November 16th, 2009
3:59 pm
What a coincidence.
Palin’s daughter & Obama’s mother were both pregnant & unmarried, but O’s mother married his father, who was already married.
Palin & Obama both resigned, but Palin represented her city & her state longer than our pres. represented his state.
jconservative
November 16th, 2009
4:01 pm
“Al Gore- “I invented the internet”.”
Yeah, we all had a laugh on that line. But someone did not laugh – Google. Google hired Gore as a consultant, to be paid in stock. Assignment – we are here, where can we take this? When Gore left
he sold his Google stock for $165 Million. If you remember Google took off like a rocket.
As soon as he left Google, Steve Jobs called from Apple & wanted Gore on the Board. To my knowledge he is still on the Apple board.
Gore got the last laugh.
Linda
November 16th, 2009
4:02 pm
Do you know what time it is? She’s on right now!!!
Repukes and DummyCrats are ALL Scum
November 16th, 2009
4:06 pm
My Gawd Kyle, how far into the gutter do the Repukes have to reach to find a candidate? George the Chimp was bad enough, but Sarah the Idiot is a whole order of magnitude worse. I expect the Repukes to have the best and brightest candidate, not some ignorant, opinionated female of dubious morality, and proven genetic inferiority. Here interview on CBS told me all I need to know about her alleged intellect.
Linda
November 16th, 2009
4:12 pm
Wherever Al Gore graduated from, whatever is on his resume, whatever prizes he’s received, how much ever money he’s made & how many ever rooms he’s got, he’s still not smarter than God, who still is in charge of the planet, both its temperature & its weather.
Carrie
November 16th, 2009
4:37 pm
Palin! Going Rogue! I read some excerpts online. This woman is for real! She’s smarter than Katie Courik or Oprah. Here’s some of the excerpts:
“I got a call from the McCain campaign on the afternoon of August 1st, 2008. I was so glad I was in to take that call, let me tell you.”
“It going to be interesting to see if John McCain lives longer than 8 more years, because if he doesn’t, then I would be the defacto default president of the united states of america if we had won and he croaked, you know what I’m saying? I would be the president.”
Go to PalinRogueOnline.com and read the rest. I’ve got to get jogging. Beautiful afternoon.
Kar
November 16th, 2009
4:37 pm
I get the impression that her book will try to “explain” her actions and reactions. Quite frankly, if you have to do that, you’re already a lost cause.
Seriously, it doesn’t matter how she spins the Couric interview, that was an unmitigated disaster on her part.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
4:55 pm
jconservative, of course she had her daughter on stage. Just like Biden, Mccain and Obama had their children on stage.
Linda
November 16th, 2009
4:56 pm
Our choices for pres. are not always perfect. We frequently vote for the lesser of the 2 evils. I’ve never been so worried for our country, the direction in which it’s going. Our biggest problem is that we have too many politicians in politics. Our second biggest problem is that we have too many lawyers in DC. As long as lawyers are running the show, we’ll never get real health care reform. (Palin ain’t no lawyer.)
The biggest problem with the Rep Party is that we need leaders who are more conservative. Using a clock as a comparison, the Dem party stretches from 9:00 (most liberal) to 12:00 (moderates) but the Rep party has too many moderates from 12:00 to 1:00 & not enough past 1:30. Doggone it!
Palin is a 2:00 conservative & that’s a comical dilemma for the 9:00 ultra-left wing liberals. They went after her in every way they could & she’s still around. Apparently, her record is clean. They tried to intimidate her & she’s not easily intimidated. If the 9 o’clocks can’t scare her, then neither can Iran.
Palin comes across as a Christian, moral, ethical, honest, a hockey mom & loving wife, a fisherwoman & moose hunter, long before coming across as a politician. Alaskans love her. She might be real.
She’s politically incorrect & says what she believes. I think if she ever debated Obama, he would turn red.
She’s lacking in experience but that didn’t hold back Obama. She ran a state & did a darn tootin’ good job of it. She’s lacking in education but that didn’t help Obama. She IS smart. She doesn’t have the support of such huge groups such as ACORN, the unions, etc. but I hope that God-fearing Americans still out-number them. Her son is in the military & she would never dither or dilly dally on making a decision in the best interests of our troops. You betcha. (Wink)
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
4:57 pm
Road Scholar writes: Axlefraud: Who needs spell check when you spout the drivel you have been doing?
Um…….you might want to rethink and rewrite that sentence.
Also, Reagan helped grow the economy. He didn’t destroy it like Obama has been doing the past 9 months.
Denise
November 16th, 2009
4:57 pm
Palin was a pawn used to counteract the geriatric image of McCain. She succeeded in that. Would she have been seriously considered by the Republican party otherwise? I doubt it. She lost clout with me by resigning a coveted position such as a governorship without just cause.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
4:58 pm
Carrie should not be allowed out in public.
samuel
November 16th, 2009
4:59 pm
David Axelfraud, why is it that you and every other conservative compare Obama to Jimmy Carter as a bad Democratic President? And why is Reagan the only Republican President that you mention as being great? In the last 60+ years annual unemployment has never been higher than it was under Reagan (9.7% in 1982, 9.6% in 1983). And until this last recession, our deepest previous recession was also under Reagan. Even under Jimmy Carter and the stagflation era, things were not as bad in this country as it was during Reagan’s first term. Fortunately for Reagan, the economy turned around just in time for his re-election campaign in 1984. I know it was a minute ago, but the Reagan era was not a golden age for America, as so many conservatives believe. As for Sarah Palin, she is not on the intellectual level of Barack Obama, John Kerry or Al Gore. The woman attented 4 or 5 colleges just to get her bachelors degree! The only way for Palin to be elected is if bitter white Southerners like David Axelfraud are insane enough to vote for her. And as for comments about Obama being the teleprompter-in-chief, no President was more scripted than Ronald Reagan. Reagan couldn’t make a spontaneous comment to save his life! Maybe that’s why he began going senile before he even left office. Once more to the conservatives who rant on this blogs: State facts, not insults and rhetoric.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
5:01 pm
Denise, she was picked to win over conservatives. Something Mac could not do on his own. She resigned because she could not do anything more for the state. She also had lawsuits thrown at her left and right by liberal special interest groups who sought to damage her personally. Every single lawsuit so far has been dropped in court.
By the way, I highly doubt you were a Palin fan.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
5:04 pm
samuel writes: David Axelfraud, why is it that you and every other conservative compare Obama to Jimmy Carter as a bad Democratic President?
Answer: Because both of them ran on a “change” type of platform and both have failed. Carter is a cancer on the democrats and Obama has already tanked the party.
You write: As for Sarah Palin, she is not on the intellectual level of Barack Obama, John Kerry or Al Gore.
Hmmmmmm, so if intellectual is what wins then why are Obama, Kerry and Gore always wrong? Gore is a complete hypocrite who’s daddy gave him everything in the world. Kerry shot himself in Vietnam then lied about his fellow soldiers. Obama has never accomplished anything except for scamming the dumbmasses into voting for him.
Bottom line: Intellectual presidents are retarded when it comes to governing and leading.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
5:07 pm
samuel writes: The woman attented 4 or 5 colleges just to get her bachelors degree! The only way for Palin to be elected is if bitter white Southerners like David Axelfraud are insane enough to vote for her
Then writes: Once more to the conservatives who rant on this blogs: State facts, not insults and rhetoric.
Samuel, you just threw out a slew of insults then pretend to act all high and mighty while pointing the fingers at others.
One: I live in Chicago. Nice try with race baiting. Fool.
Two: Gore flunked out of Vanderbilt. Kerry had worse grades than George W. Bush.
Three: Reagan was and will always be better than Obama, Clinton or whoever else you want to throw out.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
5:09 pm
samuel, if Reagan was so bad, then why did he win the largest landslide since…………….oh yeah, ever.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
5:10 pm
Samuel….just for you comrade.
Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student
His 4-year average on par with Bush’s
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005
WASHINGTON — During last year’s presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.
But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.
In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.
Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D’s in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student/
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
5:12 pm
As for Gore………………
Al Gore Jr. – Vice President, flunked out of Vandy law, gained a degree from Vandy Divinity
Gore’s undergraduate transcript from Harvard is riddled with C’s, including a C-minus in introductory economics, a D in one science course, and a C-plus in another. “In his sophomore year at Harvard,” the Post reported, “Gore’s grades were lower than any semester recorded on Bush’s transcript from Yale.” Moreover, Gore’s graduate school record – consistently glossed over by the press – is nothing short of shameful. In 1971, Gore enrolled in Vanderbilt Divinity School where, according to Bill Turque, author of “Inventing Al Gore,” he received F’s in five of the eight classes he took over the course of three semesters. Not surprisingly, Gore did not receive a degree from the divinity school. Nor did Gore graduate from Vanderbilt Law School, where he enrolled for a brief time and received his fair share of C’s. (Bush went on to earn an MBA from Harvard).
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
5:14 pm
Kyle, I am just responding on Samuels lies about Gore and Kerry. Please allow me to do this. Thanks
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
5:16 pm
Linda, Al Gore is not smart. He’s a moron. The guy can’t walk and chew gum at the same time.
dewstarpath
November 16th, 2009
5:19 pm
- Axelfraud –
There is no such a thing as Officer Training School for
the military. It’s called Officer Candidate School, or OCS.
dewstarpath
November 16th, 2009
5:20 pm
- There is one OTS, though, for the US Air Force.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
5:22 pm
dewstarpath, take it up with the Boston Globe. They wrote it.
Almighty $$$$
November 16th, 2009
5:28 pm
So she just threw McCain and the entire GOP machine under the bus. Please don’t tell me she plans to run on an indie ticket in 2012. Any so-called conservatives want some of this piping hot crow? Your golden girl just turned on you in front of the biggest national audience in the nation. Like I said, people are going to learn to stop being duped by whoever has an R or D behind their name. They’re all OPPORTUNISTS at the end of the day.
Ann B
November 16th, 2009
5:32 pm
Vote for Palin? Never gonna happen because the FBI will finish up its investigation it said they weren’t conducting. You people are so gullible. Don’t you know the reason she resigned as Governor is the FBI gave her the option of resigned or the investigation will go forward.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
5:33 pm
samuel, one more thing. Abraham Lincoln was a self-educated man and was one the five best presidents in the history of this country. Graduating from Harvard does not make a great leader. Just saying.
samuel
November 16th, 2009
5:33 pm
David Axelfraud, you’re ranting again. Now let me get this straight, you’re not a bitter white Southern man but a bitter white Midwestern woman. You’re making comments on a computer. No one knows who you are or where you’re from. So, without being too explicit, why don’t you simply state your gender and what part of the country you live in? Are you a native Southerner now living in the Midwest, or are you from that region of the country. If you have no connection to the South, then why do you rant all day on the AJC’s political blogs? I know you think you’re being clever, but be honest about who you are. BTW, unemployment was higher 2.5 years into Reagan’s first term than it has been less than 1 year into Obama’s term. Reagan recovered, and so will Obama. That’s another fact.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
5:34 pm
Ann B, you don’t have one shred of evidence of corruption. Do you believe that 911 was an inside job?
Almighty $$$$
November 16th, 2009
5:35 pm
The Victimization of Sarah Palin. Hilarious.
MikeB
November 16th, 2009
5:35 pm
Sarah Palin has not demonstrated a mastery of her point of view. Plain and simple. It could be that she is not intelligent enough. It could be that she has not enough experience explaining/arguing her beliefs… I don’t know.
I do know she will not be as credible as she needs to be untill she can discuss the conservative platform with the same level of precision as Karl Rove or Newt Gingrich. Only then will the majority of conservative Republicans rally to her call, and that may never happen.
As far as what going to Harvard stands for vs. going to some other university……… Obama went to Harvard, and he certainly is not setting the world on fire……… All those schools offer is the ability to connect/network at a level that you won’t find at Boise State, or even Emory U…….
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
5:37 pm
samuel, HA! Nice, continue to throw out insults! It’s all you have.
Reagan helped usher in great economic times in the 80s. How? By lowering taxes and keeping government OUT of the private sector. Fact, comrade.
Again, if Reagan was so bad then how did he win 49 states?
Oh, you’ll probably blame it on ignorant white people.
You have no proof that the economy will improve under Obama. None. Nada. Zilch. His administration got caught cooking the numbers with that crappy stimulus package.
Oh, and your thoughts on Kerry and Gore? I mean, you did bring them up.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
5:39 pm
Samuel……….LOLOLOL!!!!!
ABC News Exclusive: Obama Admin Slashed 60,000 Jobs From Recent Stimulus Report
Office of Management & Budget Document: 12 Stimulus Recipients Reported ‘Unrealistic Job Data’
The Obama administration, under fire for inflating job growth from the $787 billion stimulus plan, slashed over 60,000 jobs from its most recent report on the program because the reporting outlets had submitted “unrealistic data,” according to a document obtained by ABC News
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/abc-news-exclusive-obama-administration-slashed-60000-jobs/story?id=9095621
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
5:45 pm
samuel wrote: No one knows who you are or where you’re from. So, without being too explicit, why don’t you simply state your gender and what part of the country you live in? Are you a native Southerner now living in the Midwest, or are you from that region of the country. If you have no connection to the South, then why do you rant all day on the AJC’s political blogs?
Why do you want to know who I am?
Also, I have been blogging since 1 pm. HARDLY all day. Maybe you failed basic math.
dewstarpath
November 16th, 2009
5:46 pm
- I agree with Axelfraud on his 5:33. I know.
But I DO NOT agree with Repukes on his 4:06 –
proven genetic inferiority ? Any DNA tests run ?
How does he (or she) know this ?
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
5:47 pm
samuel, remember, it was YOU who attacked me first by calling me a bitter white man and insane…
Me thinks you lack common sense and basic motor skills. Poor whittle sam……:(
ask a Native
November 16th, 2009
5:47 pm
The conservatives make it hard to support the party or anything they stand for. These are the same idiots who say Reagan was the greatest man to ever live, next to Jesus. These are the same dunces who gave Big Spender Bush, Jr 2 terms, oops 1 term, legitimately, then conveniently decided to have ‘tea parties’ (lmao) once the “colored guy” was elected. These same clowns support an ethnocentric approach to international relations all while demanding that the rest of the world respect us. God forbid any of our leaders show “them” the smallest bit of courtesy or gratitude *in their own respective homelands*. I suppose that by constantly proclaiming that Obama is “the worst prez ever”, after a whopping 11 months, makes these imbeciles feel better about the scum they voted into office twice over?
ask a Native
November 16th, 2009
6:03 pm
-Karl Rove outs a CIA operative: receives praise and a time slot on Fox News.
-Rush Limbaugh gets high on illegally obtained Oxycontin: lauded as highly influential and the voice of the conservative people
-Countless conservative political figures outed in gay sex scandals; those that are heterosexual frolic with their mistresses in foreign countries.
-So-called conservative Palin “humanized” after the discovery of an out-of-wedlock pregnancy from her teen daughter.
Eh, I could go on. But me thinks the so-called conservies are no different than the lefties.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
6:22 pm
-Bill Clinton raped women and lied about sleeping with a teenager. Hailed by the libs as honest and great.
- John Edwards cheated on his wife who has cancer and had a baby out of wedlock. Libs called him a great compassionate man in 2004.
- Ted Kennedy let an innocent girl drown while he sobered up from being drunk. Liberals called him the great liberal lion.
Eh, I could go on. But me thinks liberals are hypocritical and no different than communists.
Linda
November 16th, 2009
6:24 pm
Samuel @ 4:59, B.O. is one of the most intellectual presidents we/ve ever had, but what’s that done for our country? What a waste!
samuel
November 16th, 2009
6:24 pm
David Axelfraud, let me make a few more points. First Reagan’s first term tax cuts exploded the budget deficit. If you’re looking at the numbers from the Office of Management and Budget, you would know that. If you’re looking at the numbers from that same office , you’ll see that that deficits have exploded under the last 3 Republican presidents, starting with Reagan. If you’re still looking at the numbers, you’ll see that no Republican president has presented a budget surplus since Eisenhower, 49 years ago. If you’re still looking, you’ll see that Bill Clinton presented 4 consecutive budget surpluses (FY1998-2001). If you look still further, you’ll see that the budget deficit is projected to be cut by more than half by FY 2014. Spread this news to the tea-baggers who want a return to “Reaganesque values”. Reagan was never a fiscal conservative, and if you conservatives would simply do your research, you would know that. More facts to bury you in your grave.
Bristol Palin
November 16th, 2009
6:26 pm
My mom’s book won’t change anybody’s mind.
On a side note – I don’t like Kyle’s blog. He censors more than Bob Barr does. He rarely responds to the users.
As much as I disagree with Jay Bookman about everything, at least he can take the heat and isn’t afraid to walk the coals. Jay says what he means and means what he says… Even though he’s wacky.
Kyle…. dude…. you gotta let people speak if you want to be taken seriously.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
6:27 pm
samuel,
One: You have not posted any facts. Just claims.
Two: I’ve buried you numerous times today. I’ve proved to you that Gore and Kerry are both morons.
Three: IF REAGAN WAS SO BAD THEN WHY DID HE WIN 49 STATES IN THE LARGEST LANDSLIDE IN AMERICAN HISTORY?
Bottom line: You’re nothing more than an empty blogger with no facts to back up her claims.
Post facts before you post insults.
Linda
November 16th, 2009
6:27 pm
David Alelfraud @ 5:16, Reread my comments @ 4:12 about Gore & see if I said if he was smart.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
6:28 pm
samuel, ever notice that NO ONE in the media talks about how they wish things were the way they were under any democrat?
Wonder why that is……..
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
6:29 pm
Linda, read my comments about how Gore is a moron who flunked out of Vandy. He was not smart. He is not smart. He’s a walking talking robot with no original thought.
David Axelfraud
November 16th, 2009
6:30 pm
Linda, my 5:16 comment to you was to agree with you. I was just backing up your claim that the guy is not smart. That’s why I posted a paragraph about his grades and how he flunked out of Vandy.
Emily Chang
November 16th, 2009
6:37 pm
Those Chinese….. The Oba Mao t-shirts, hats, stickers and other stuff have been smash hits in all over the country for months but gosh darnit when the Apologist-In-Chief shows up to beg for more money they go and ban them shirts.,….
My whole family wanted them for Christmas.
Oh well ….. At least the Chinese government didn’t clone my cell phone and steal all my personal data when I visited for the Olympics…… ROFL
China is the enemy. They are not our friends. I’d rather hang out with the “V”.
dewstarpath
November 16th, 2009
6:37 pm
- Can we have links to where there are news articles
about Bill Clinton’s arrest for raping women? I really
would like some more info on that.
saywhat?
November 16th, 2009
6:37 pm
I can’t imagine voting for Palin ever.It would take 20+ years of visible effort and accomplishment in some sort of endeavor on her part, along with a huge swing away from her far right stance on social issues. She would have to exhibit the ability to think on her feet, and answer more than just “difficult” questions such as “what magazines or newspapers do you read?”.I don’t ever see this happening, though I could be wrong. The only way I would definitely vote for Palin for president would be if the only other choice was david axelfraud.
Faux News Channel
November 16th, 2009
6:45 pm
I’m watching video of President Obama speaking in China. They have the usual crowd of folks behind the President but I have a question.
Where are the “Black” Chinese people? Where are the “Latino” Chinese people? Where are the “Immigrant” Chinese people? I’m looking….. I see none.
Golly gee…. Aren’t they a “Diverse” society…. Mao sure was great huh?
OH YEAH…. CHAIRMAN MAO MURDERED MILLIONS OF HIS OWN COUNTRYMAN IN THE NAME OF COMMUNISM!
WAKE UP AMERICA !
Linda
November 16th, 2009
6:52 pm
Samuel @ 5:33, Excuse me for butting in to your comments to Mr. Axelfraud.
WHEN & HOW do you think O will recover since everything he’s doing is destroying jobs according to history?
Tell me how raising the minimum wage during the worst economic recession in decades creates jobs?
The wars in Iraq & Afghanistan have cost $900,000,000,000 during the last 7 & 8 yrs. How did spending the same amount of money, less than 3 wks. into his adm, on a bill passed, unread, during a matter of a few hours, have anything to do with creating jobs? It was never intended to stimulate the economy & didn’t. It made it worse. Unemployment was 7.6% when it passed & is now 10.2% unless you’re realistic, which makes it over 17%.
Tell me one thing he’s done to encourage small businesses, who employ most Americans, to hire? What does the health care bill do for jobs other than to destroy them?
What does the climate change bill do for jobs other than to destroy them, permanently?
samuel
November 16th, 2009
6:56 pm
David Axelfraud, for budget number, simply do a search for the Office of Management and Budget, the click on “HIstorical Tables”. If you can navigate the site, you will see budget numbers from throughout this country’s history. When you look at them, tell me that I’m lying about Republican presidents and budget deficits. You can do a search on Microsoft, Yahoo or Google. And as to why I want to know who you are, I’m a stalker who’s part of a network of telepaths, including a cousin who lives in Naperville. If you really live in the Chicago area, she’ll be able to ferret you out. I’ll then get on the next Delta flight to O’Hare or Midway, whichever airport you live closest to, and I will find you and reveal your true identity. You are warned.
Linda
November 16th, 2009
7:07 pm
ask a Native @ 6:03, Obama was also an out-of-wedlock pregnancy. His mother did marry his father, but his father was already married.
Everyone sins. The greatest difference between conservatives & liberals are that conservatives are conservative. We as a group don’t believe that everything goes.