Night of the living public option
At Reason, Peter Suderman asks a good question: Why won’t the public option die?
And don’t start by telling me that it’s oh-so-popular and yet somehow Republicans have just scared too many people –including a number of Senate Democrats — about it. If the public option is so darn popular, why is Nancy Pelosi trying to rebrand it so that people think they’re getting something other than what we’ve been discussing for months?
If it’s so popular, why has President Obama remained non-committal about it all this time? The fact is that the hypothetical public option in which millions of Americans magically receive new health coverage from the insurance fairy is popular, but a public option in which people are specifically asked to help pay for other people’s new coverage is not. Thus Speaker Pelosi’s attempt at trickeration.
The new “opt-out” idea from Harry Reid, in which states could decide not to participate in the new federal government insurance plan, is cut from the same cloth as Pelosi’s maneuvering. If the point were to give states a true choice in the matter, an “opt-in” plan would be far more intellectually honest since the easiest thing for state politicians to do is to not to deviate from the default option that Washington gives them. But Reid’s point, of course, is to set a public option in motion while giving the appearance of flexibility. Don’t fall for it.
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Chris Broe
October 27th, 2009
11:45 am
“Thus Speaker Pelosi’s attempt at t-t-trickeration.”
Thus Spake Stutter-palooza.
CNN just reported that this Halloween will be the first halloween where trick or treaters can say, “trick or tweet”, because if they don’t like the lousy candy you hand them, the word goes out on twitter, and your house could be “smart-TP’d” by mobs of sugar-gorged twitter followers, man.
So give the M+Ms, and don’t be so cheap. And tweet your congressman in support of a public option. Tweet often. Be polite. And be sure to use 25 words or less.
jconservative
October 27th, 2009
12:06 pm
“…an “opt-in” plan would be far more intellectually honest…”
Kyle are you opting for Snowe’s “trigger”?
booger
October 27th, 2009
12:16 pm
My understanding of the opt out plan is that states could opt out for the next four years, but the plan would still be paid for from general funds meaning citizens from these states would be paying for citizens in the states which remain in the plan.
Please let me know if I’m wrong. And don’t use the argument that the plan would be self sustaining. There are provisions for the government to pay all or part of the cost for those earning under $54,000 for a family of four. A bunch of tax dollars will be required.
Kyle Wingfield
October 27th, 2009
12:29 pm
No, jconservative, I’m saying just what I’m saying: that if you’re going to have a plan in which states get to decide whether to participate, opt-in is more of a real “option” than opt-out.
booger
October 27th, 2009
12:42 pm
Kyle,
I just got my question answered. The illegitimate news network, FOX, just interviewed a democratic senator from Penn. The question asked him was what tax consideration would opt out states get in the bill. He stated there is no savings to those states, however after initial costs
to get the plan up and running, it should be self supporting.
This means there would be costs to the general fund to subsidize lower income people so they could afford the plan. This also means the opt out states would subsidize those who opt in. This in turn means opt out would be a stupid option for any state.
lmno
October 27th, 2009
12:51 pm
So, if the states could choose to “Opt In” rather than “Opt out”, you’d support it?
I don’t think I even understand what the difference would be, but fine.
I am happy that the Public Option is being included in this bill. If Georgia
“Opts out” then I can decide if I want to Opt out of Georgia to a state that chooses to provide health care for its citizens. I think its the best idea yet. Let the states be different. Completely different. Let Georgia be a state with low taxes, no government programs like social security or welfare, strict moral legislation, religious indoctrination in schools, and other things taht are popular here. Then otehr states can have their legal drugs, governmnet provided healthcare, gay marriage, and other things that are popular there.
Then, all we have to do is move to the state that best meets our desires.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
12:53 pm
This is getting to be a rather old and tired discussion. The American public does NOT want government health care. Period. IF this passes it will be the end of freedom in America.
On another note, Kyle, have you been paying any attention to the NY 23rd district race at all? It’s very interesting.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
12:56 pm
Obama’s big change: He moves America to the Right
By: Byron York
As promised, Barack Obama is bringing change to America. He’s making it more Republican.
It’s not that more people are actually becoming Republicans or calling themselves Republicans — the number of voters who formally identify with the party is at its lowest point in years. But we appear to be in the early stages of a shift in which political independents, people who not too long ago were sick of Republicans, are now leaning toward GOP positions on some key issues.
They still call themselves independents, but they’re worried by the left-leaning policies of President Obama and the Democratic Congress, especially on the economy. “The middle, which wanted to move away from George W. Bush, did not want to move this far left,” says a Republican pollster who is tracking the shift. “They are tending to agree with what Republicans are saying more and more, despite the previous eight years.”
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Obama_s-big-change_-He-moves-America-to-the-Right-8442204-66186122.html
Road Scholar
October 27th, 2009
1:16 pm
Afraud: ” The American public does NOT want government health care. ”
And who elected you God? Polls show that many people do.
I think that Reid is setting up the amendment from others (Snowe perhaps) for the trigger on the public option. Insurance companies are already acting like the banks in adjusting rates up before the banking and now the health care laws go into affect. This legislation would go into effect in 2013, plenty of time to see what the healthcare industry is up to. Constantly increasing rates with reduced coverage is what’s in store if nothing is done. Can’t you see that? We’re ranked 40th something in world healthcare still? I think conserves thought that we were NO 1!
And we cannot catch diseases from low income folks? Yeah, sure!
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
1:42 pm
Road Non-Scholar writes: And who elected you God? Polls show that many people do.
If that is true then how come the Dems can’t get anything passed? Also, if the public wanted it then Obamas and the democrat poll numbers would not be so low. Obama has passed every other president in history with the lowest poll numbers in this phase of his presidency.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
1:45 pm
More bad news for Obama. If the former communist news is saying that we are moving to socialism……
America Moving from Kingdom of Cash to Socialism Slowly but Surely
Obama’s decision not to build the Missile Defense System in Poland and the Czech Republic and his Noble Prize have not yet been comprehended from a philosophical viewpoint. It’s time to do it.
Power of Money against Power of Spirit
The last turning point similar to the current one happened approximately 400 years ago. The Western European society discovered a new hierarchy of values. Feudalism that valued service and chivalry was replaced with capitalism. Wealth became the measure of success, and everyone was to care about his own pocket only. The cult of money replaced all other values, including religious.
http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/19-10-2009/109973-socialism-0
William
October 27th, 2009
1:46 pm
The public option or however you title it is simply a democrat scheme to buy votes from the poor or those who have depended on the state for generations that provides everything for them–FOR FREE!
It is a joke and it is a costly joke. I hope there are enough sensible people in congress to dismiss Pelosi and Reid for the jokes they really are.
artatlarge
October 27th, 2009
1:52 pm
You have nothing to worry about on this one, Mr. Wingfield.
I’d bet my last dollar and my left you-know-what that given the chance to “opt out”, the state of Georgia will definitely do just that.
Our leaders of late have proven consistently conservative, even though the accepted
Federal stimulus cash after railing against it, voting against the Franken Amendment, and not even allowing a vote on Sunday alcohol sales.
And hey, David Axelfraud…how many times do you righties have to be told something before you can accept it? IT’S NOT GOV’T HEALTHCARE, IT’S GOV’T HEALTH INSURANCE! Big difference.
hryder
October 27th, 2009
1:56 pm
The fact remains that politicians are trying to buy votes with OUR money. What in Hades name is the problem with taxpayers who seem to think they are not paying for everything the various governments provide. Understand that the parasitic citizens do not pay for the same services because they yearly pay no taxes directly and many actually receive funds provided by taxpayers for purchases. Such PC Mooches should not be permitted to vote.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
2:02 pm
artatlarge writes: how many times do you righties have to be told something before you can accept it? IT’S NOT GOV’T HEALTHCARE, IT’S GOV’T HEALTH INSURANCE! Big difference.
I don’t have to be told anything dim wit. I can read and I have read two bills so far. Guess what, NO ONE IN CONGRESS HAS READ EITHER BILLS. I’m not a sheep like you. I don’t just “do as I am told” like you and other kool aid drinkers.
Oh, if government health care is not government health care then why is the government looking for doctors to work in government health care????????
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
2:04 pm
hryder, I believe that people who want to vote should have to take a series of tests in order to vote. But noooooooooo, liberals would deem that racist. Anything that goes against liberalism is racist.
Shananeeee Fananeeeeeee
October 27th, 2009
2:04 pm
I have a sure bet for you, look for Harry Reid, Democrat Majority Leader from Nevada, to not be re-elected next year. This guy is done. Teleprompter Man(Obama) is as corrupt as they come. I’m still checking CSPAN everyday for Obama’s promise to have healthcare debates around a big table with doctors and insurance companies. I am wondering when this will happen? Something tells me not to hold my breath. Change in 2010 and 2012, Change we are looking forward to.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
2:06 pm
artatlarge, explain the entire health care bill. Since you seem to be for it, explain how it works.
Bottom line: you have not read it.
artatlarge is a kool aid drinking obamabot who lives off her mom’s social security checks.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
2:08 pm
President Dope and Chains is losing support for the democrat party. In every governor race, democrats trail BIIIIIIIIIIIIIG. Poor poor Obama. The man-child can’t stand defeat.
Ga Values
October 27th, 2009
2:19 pm
Housing prices have stabilized but our 2 RINO Senators want to blow another $18 Billion on a fraud filled housing program. How can they call themselves Republicans?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/business/economy/28home.html?hp
Road Scholar
October 27th, 2009
2:25 pm
Look out Kyle, Afraud is taking over your blog. You better not be out any more!
Afraud, do you have to insult everyone? Insulting and yelling (not accusing you of this…yet) are a sign of a week arguement. As for why haven’t they passed anything yet, the democrats do not walk to the beat of one drum. When Bush, or was it Cheney (who really was president?), went about proposing legislation, the Repubs followed as lemmings to the sea. (Oh by the way, just how were the wars in Iraq and Afgan suppose to be paid for? Your tab is due!)
As they say, making legislation in DC is like making sausage; you really don’t want to know how they got there or what falls on the floor! This problem has been brewing for decades, and you, like most people, want a 30 second sound bit and the problem to go away. You are witnessing politics in action, with some conservatives lies thrown in! Perhaps if Obama didn’t have to defend his beliefs or correct the blatant and numerous lies put forth, then we could get some real work done. Isn’t that the repub Mantra; keep the Demos busy on other things than what they are trying to focusing on?
Ray Pugh
October 27th, 2009
2:26 pm
Fellow interweb travelers.
You do realize that bloggers **cough**David Axelfraud**cough** are salaried employees/independently contracted bloggers of the RNC/right-wing thinktanks/PACs, don’t you?
Ray Pugh
October 27th, 2009
2:27 pm
*some
Linda
October 27th, 2009
2:31 pm
artatlarge, Our current private health insurance companies have much control over our health care. If this is merely about govt. health insurance, why is it creating 53 new govt. agencies? O used some examples to push this bill. He accused a pediatrician of removing a child’s tonsils because the doctor would make more $ than writing a prescription. (Ludicrous.) He said that doctors should prescribe pain medication more often rather than knee replacement for Grandma. I was with the impression he feels DC wants to be very involved in our health care, between us & the medical profession.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
2:32 pm
Road Non-Scholar, awe, your wittle feewings got hurt. Boo hoo. Go cry to your master Obama.
What is the world does Dick Cheney have to do with socialized government health care? Again, you didn’t answer your own argument so I don’t really know how else say this. You have not explained your own comment. If you are going to debate someone you might want to actually read the health care bill you are arguing for. Dim wit.
You wrote: Perhaps if Obama didn’t have to defend his beliefs or correct the blatant and numerous lies put forth, then we could get some real work done.
WHAT BELIEFS?????? HE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW WHAT HE BELIEVES. IT TOOK HIM FOUR MONTHS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF DOG TO GET HIS KIDS.
Now that’s Change I can believe in!!!!!!! Yes we can, blah blah blah.
Bottom line: Obama is nothing more than an empty suit who still thinks he’s running a campaign against George W. Bush.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
2:32 pm
Ray Pugh, how much is Bookman paying you to be here?
Ray Pugh
October 27th, 2009
2:40 pm
David Assyoullprod,
Come to think of it, after reading your posts, there’s no way you’re a RNC shill–their typing apes have far more cogent arguments than your repetitive braying. Maybe you should go to the same school Wingnut graduated from for a little training in how to be a right-wing troll…
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
2:45 pm
Ray Pugh, I read both bills. From top to bottom. Road Scholar basically said that everyone needs to just except whatever plan Lord Obama has for us all. I asked him to tell me the difference between government health care and government insurance. He did not do that. SO guess what, I defended myself against his asinine comments.
Now, you can say whatever you want about me but the fact remains that you and Ms. Scholar can’t defend the health care bill. Moron.
Fix-It
October 27th, 2009
2:45 pm
Road Scholar,
Who elected YOU God? The vast majority of American’s, about 70% do NOT want this abomination to see the light of day. But if you trust the HuffungtonPuss or the daily COS then we can only pray for you. It will always amaze me that the polls for liberals always come out to what they want it to. Look who they poll, their supporters, which is not accurate. So let’s try some common sense 70% of American’s get their healthcare through the work place and are happy with it. So why do liberals want to destroy the happiness of 70% of Americans to make the other 30% happy. Does that seem like a democratic thing to do? If you do please use logic and common sense to tell me why, or better yet how come this administration is not even trying to make more jobs? I guess if they had jobs they would have healthcare and Obozo and his goons would not have a leg to stand on.
Fix-It
October 27th, 2009
2:46 pm
Wait when will it be posted on line for 72 hours before a vote?
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
2:48 pm
Fix-It, great point. It’s like when libs like Obama and others claim that FOX NEWS is not real news. YET, CNN and MSNBC employs ex-Carter and ex-Clinton cabinet members.
Just A Grunt
October 27th, 2009
2:48 pm
Whatever name you want ot put on this scheme from the Democrats the bottom line is it will effectively drive most private insurance companies out of business. It is targeted right at them. The government will always be able to undermine the cost simply by either operating at a loss for a while or increasing taxes, sorry the Dems word is fees, on everybody. As the private insurance companies go out of business more and more people join up on the government plan increasing costs which will force taxes to go up. It is a self defeating plan and is pretty much nothing more then a Ponzi scheme similar to what Bernie Madoff went to jail for and why Social Security is in trouble.
And then what happens???
Dope and Change
October 27th, 2009
2:49 pm
OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED. OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED. OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED. OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED. OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED. OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED. OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED. OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED. OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED. OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED.
8 US troops die; new deadliest month in Afghan war
KABUL – Eight American troops were killed in two separate bomb attacks Tuesday in southern Afghanistan, making October the deadliest month of the war for U.S. forces since the 2001 invasion to oust the Taliban.
In one of the insurgent assaults, seven Americans were killed while patrolling in armored vehicles, U.S. forces spokesman Lt. Col. Todd Vician said. He said an Afghan civilian died in the same attack. The eighth American was killed in a separate bombing elsewhere in the south, also while patrolling in a military vehicle, he said.
The military issued a statement saying the deaths occurred during “multiple, complex” bomb strikes. It said several troops were wounded and evacuated to a nearby medical facility, but gave no other details.
Capt. Adam Weece, a spokesman for American forces in the south, said both attacks occurred in Kandahar province. In Washington, a U.S. defense official said at least one was followed by an intense firefight with insurgents who attacked after an initial bomb went off. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to release the information.
The deaths bring to 55 the total number of American troops killed in October in Afghanistan. The previous high occurred in August, when 51 U.S. soldiers died and the troubled nation held the first round of its presidential election amid a wave of Taliban insurgent attacks.
The deadliest month of the Iraq conflict for U.S. forces was November 2004, when 137 Americans were killed during the assault to clear insurgents from the city of Fallujah.
“A loss like this is extremely difficult for the families as well as for those who served alongside these brave service members,” said Navy Capt. Jane Campbell, a military spokeswoman. “Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends who mourn their loss.”
The loss of life followed one of the worst days of the war for U.S. forces in Afghanistan since they launched air strikes in 2001 to oust the Taliban from power.
On Monday, a U.S. military helicopter crashed returning from the scene of a firefight with suspected Taliban drug traffickers in western Afghanistan, killing 10 Americans including three DEA agents. In a separate crash the same day, four more U.S. troops were killed when two helicopters collided over southern Afghanistan.
U.S. military officials insisted neither crash was the result of hostile fire, although the Taliban claimed they shot down a U.S. helicopter in the western province of Badghis. The U.S. did not say where in western Afghanistan its helicopter went down, and no other aircraft were reported missing.
Those casualties marked the Drug Enforcement Administration’s first deaths since it began operations here in 2005. Afghanistan is the world’s largest producer of opium — the raw ingredient in heroin — and the illicit drug trade is a major source of funding for insurgent groups.
Ray Pugh
October 27th, 2009
2:51 pm
you know the difference b/w gov’t insurance and gov’t health care, but not “accept” and “except”?
Ray Pugh
October 27th, 2009
2:53 pm
Wingfield,
Exercise some control over your blog and ban some of these trolls! For someone who believes in maintaining order, you sure do a lousy job keeping your own house in order. Typical conservative…
Kyle Wingfield
October 27th, 2009
2:54 pm
Axelfraud: Sorry, but no 2,000-word comments allowed.
Tommy Maddox
October 27th, 2009
2:54 pm
I always thought of Nancy Pelosi as being the San Francisco version of Cynthia McKinney. The big difference/problem is that a lot of fools are following along with Pelosi rather than dismissing her as the wack-job she really is.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
2:55 pm
Ray Puke, simple typo, comrade. I was typing very fast. Anyway, meant to write ACCEPT. And yes, I know the difference.
booger
October 27th, 2009
2:58 pm
I would like to point out once again that those states who opt out of the plan will still pay taxes for those states in the plan. This essentially means there is no real viable option.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
2:59 pm
Kyle Wingfield, maybe you should establish a set of rules. How was I to know that you had a no 2,000 word ban on your blog?
Ray Pugh, funny you say that, Bookman allows left-wing nut jobs, like yourself, run amok all the time on his blogs.
Like they say, if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. You jumped in here and attacked me first.
Maybe all the weed fried your brain cells. Here is what you wrote about me BEFORE I ever said anything about you.
Ray Pugh
October 27th, 2009
2:26 pm
Fellow interweb travelers.
You do realize that bloggers **cough**David Axelfraud**cough** are salaried employees/independently contracted bloggers of the RNC/right-wing thinktanks/PACs, don’t you?
Kyle Wingfield
October 27th, 2009
3:00 pm
Ray Pugh: You call me Wingnut and then ask me to ban someone else?
I will pull down comments that are patently unacceptable — like Axelfraud’s latest linking a commenter to Chris Matthews — but I haven’t seen anything on here that merits a ban.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:00 pm
Ray Pugh, you also were the first to attack me with names.
Ray Pugh
October 27th, 2009
2:40 pm
David Assyoullprod,
Come to think of it, after reading your posts, there’s no way you’re a RNC shill–their typing apes have far more cogent arguments than your repetitive braying. Maybe you should go to the same school Wingnut graduated from for a little training in how to be a right-wing troll…
Ray Pugh
October 27th, 2009
3:02 pm
Oh have a sense of humor Kyle! “Wingnut” is just so easy how could I resist?
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:03 pm
Ray Pugh called me an ape! THAT’S RACIST!!!!!!!!!! WHERE IS JESSE AND AL?
OH WAIT, I WILL CALL UP CYNTHIA TUCKER.
Kyle Wingfield
October 27th, 2009
3:03 pm
And feel free to keep using it, Mr. Pugh.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:03 pm
Ray Pugh writes: Oh have a sense of humor Kyle! “Wingnut” is just so easy how could I resist?
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, this is AFTER Puke tries to get Kyle to ban me for name calling.
RAY PUGH = HYPOCRITE!!!!!!
Hatin' on the stupid
October 27th, 2009
3:05 pm
Kyle, maybe the public option will not die because polls show, after the blitz of lies this Summer derailed it somewhat, that Americans want it. Let’s see if the dems can find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:07 pm
Hatin’ on the stupid, what lies are you talking about? NOT ONE congressman has read any of the socialist health care bills.
Ray Pugh
October 27th, 2009
3:07 pm
DA,
The banning request was made for your ridiculously long copy ‘n paste jobs, not for the namecalling. Why do you think someone named “Ray Pugh” would have a problem w/ namecalling?
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:09 pm
Stupid, what is hilarious is the fact that your party can’t get anything done. What’s even funnier is the fact that democrats control both houses and the presidency. What’s even funnier than that is the fact that liberals, like you, call the republican party, stupid. If the GOP is stupid then your party must be the party of insanity.
Kyle Wingfield
October 27th, 2009
3:09 pm
Axelfraud and Pugh: Stop attacking each other and get back to the issue at hand.
Hatin’: Like I said, there’s a big difference between polls that ask about a public option generically, and those that ask if people are willing to pay what it would take to fund a public option. And there’s no getting around the fact that more than just “the rich” would be paying for it.
Joe Obvious
October 27th, 2009
3:09 pm
Can’t wait to see how long the unemployment line gets after insurance companies go under and people that work in the billing departments in hospitals are out of work.
Ironically the same problem exists with implementing a flat tax, it would kill jobs in the tax industry. HR Block/Turbo Tax, tax firms, etc become unnecessary if you only have to pay 15% of all earnings with no exceptions.
Complicated systems create jobs.
Hatin' on the stupid
October 27th, 2009
3:09 pm
Uhh..death panels….pulling the plug on poor Trig….government takeover of healthcare….socialism……you know the usual
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:13 pm
Kyle Wingfield, attacking????????? I was answering her questions.
Stupid, IT IS SOCIALISM. HELL, EVEN FORMER COMMUNIST NEWS PAPERS SAY THAT. PRAVDA.
Death Panels were also in there. If they were not then why did Harry and Nancy have it pulled out?
Come on Stupid, keep up the democrat talking points. Try reaaaaaaaaaaal hard to defend something that you have not read.
Hatin' on the stupid
October 27th, 2009
3:15 pm
Kyle, what about CBO studies showing that the public option actually saves money, possibly even enough to pay for itself.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/21/health.care.cbo/
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:17 pm
Stupid, explain what tax payer funded abortions in the “health care” bill have to do with well….health care.
Mich. Democrat: Pelosi ‘not happy with me’
During an interview on C-SPAN’s “Washington Journal” show, Stupak (D-Mich.) said he is undeterred in trying to ensure that taxpayer dollars do not pay for abortions. Stupak, who opposes abortion rights, acknowledged that some in his party are upset with his public campaign to change the bill.
http://thehill.com//blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/64971-mich-democrat-pelosi-not-happy-with-me
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:18 pm
Hatin’ on the stupid, that is a big fat LIIIIIIIIE. The CBO said that it was “inconclusive” as to this public option saving money.
BUTTTTTTTTT, If the government rations health care then yes they will save money…….while many Americans die. How’s that for a death panel, comrade?
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:20 pm
Stupid, also, hate to break your heart but CNN is dead last in news. Sorry comrade, but CNN is about as relevant as Huffingtonpissed and Daily Krap. But then again, you also believe that the Daily Show is real.
Hatin' on the stupid
October 27th, 2009
3:20 pm
Fraud: The ability to read doesn’t equate with the ability to reason. Since you are so proud of having read the bill(s), show me where it says government death panels would have made life or death decisions for the elderly.
Joan
October 27th, 2009
3:20 pm
So, we get to pay for other people’s healthcare, even if our state opts out. Oh joy. Screwed again. I can’t wait until the next election. I am so over this tin eared Congress who are only concerned with their jobs and benefits. And you better believe, they are rich enough to pay for their doctors with their own money so don’t need to worry about us peasants. They won’t even consider tort reform and cross state competition–too simple.
Joan
October 27th, 2009
3:22 pm
About the abortions. As a conservative, I am all for all the abortions wanted. It costs me less to have those unwanted kids aborted than it does to raise them to adulthood and then support them in prisons.
Hatin' on the stupid
October 27th, 2009
3:23 pm
Fraud: “But then again, you also believe that the Daily Show is real”
I guess you missed the study showing Faux news viewers were among the least informed.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:23 pm
Stupid, it was taken out. It was called RATIONING. That means, if the government decides that an 80 year old man isn’t worth investing in a surgery, they will let him die. Make sense? Probably not because you believe that the Daily Show is real news.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:25 pm
Stupid, why are you so scared of FOX NEWS?
And, what does a real fake news show have to do with FOX NEWS?
Please provide facts that show FOX is not real news. And no, I don’t mean go and ask your boyfriend Keith Olbermann or Chris Matthews.
Like I ask every dope smoking college drop out lib, show some actual proof that FOX has either lied or provided fake news.
Linda
October 27th, 2009
3:26 pm
Dear Mr. Stupid, Help me understand why anyone other than the DC bunch, the uninsured poor & the illegals would benefit from socialized health care.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:27 pm
Stupid, who did this study on FOX NEWS?
Guesses: Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, Hussein Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton……….
Also, provide a link to back up your claims of a study.
Hatin' on the stupid
October 27th, 2009
3:27 pm
If medicare is acknowledged as being one of the most efficient, and cost effective providers of health care, wouldn’t it stand to reason that a public option, styled on medicare, would likewise be cost effective?
Chris Broe
October 27th, 2009
3:27 pm
I’m going to have to call a troll-coddling foul on Clyde Ringfelt today.
Today, Rush was ranting about obama’s deliberations concerning the surge in Afghanistan. “I will not ask you to risk your lives, unless it’s necessary”.
Rush cant ennunciate a mission for US troops in Afghanistan either. W couldn’t. Gates cant or wont, even though he’s former CIA director… Rumsfeld/Cheney – you’ve got to be kidding me.
There is no Afghan mission except to employ the defense industry. Capitalism doesn’t work without war.
Give our troops a mission. Somebody. Could it be that nobody knows what they’re talking about anymore? We just run our mouths, and we always threaten and cajole any dissent. If capitalism only works in wartime, then let’s start more wars and get Americans working again.
Somebody make a stand. The mission of US troops is to kill as many Afghan Scum as we possibly can…..WHAT?
Anybody want to take a shot at Iraq’s Strategic Mission? at long last?
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:29 pm
Linda, Stupid can’t. All Stupid can do is say that we are uneducated, even though I have two college degrees, hmmmm, can’t quite figure out how Ms. Stupid knows whether or not someone is smart or not. Anyway, no, Ms. Stupid has not read any of the health care bills. She just spews DNC talking points.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:30 pm
Ms Stupid writes: If medicare is acknowledged as being one of the most efficient, and cost effective providers of health care, wouldn’t it stand to reason that a public option, styled on medicare, would likewise be cost effective?
Well Ms. Stupid, I guess your name fits. MEDICARE IS GOING BANKRUPT. HAAAAAAAAAAA
saywhat?
October 27th, 2009
3:31 pm
Kyle, the reason the public option won’t die is simple. It is because in every creditable poll, more people are for it than against it. You can try to dismiss these polls as resulting from unrealistic beliefs of what the public option will or will not be, but that is pure conjecture on your part.You certainly are not claiming mind reading ability, are you? It seems a simpler and more reasonable guess would be that people are sick of being screwed over by insurance companies. With every passing day, more and more is revealed in the news of the slimy underbelly of the insurance industry. Why wouldn’t people want a system not motivated by naked greed?
The reason politicians don’t cater to the public will reflected in these poll results is because polls and public will don’t pay for re-election campaigns, dollars from insurance companies, big pharma, and for-profit healthcare do. Despite these dollars though, these entities can’t vote. Once a critical mass of public opinion is reached, where no amount of campaign funds can overcome it, the politicians will fall in line as well.
Hatin' on the stupid
October 27th, 2009
3:31 pm
Ask and thou shalt receive:
http://mirroronamerica.blogspot.com/2007/04/fox-viewers-least-informed-according-to.html
By the way the PEW study shows Daily vierers among the most informed.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:33 pm
Chris Broe, the mission is simple. Eradicate Islamic terrorist groups. Eliminate the capability of the Taliban and all other cells. We are not there to conquer the country. Obama has no clue as to what he is doing. It is above his pay grade.
Linda
October 27th, 2009
3:35 pm
This blog proves that Fox viewers are the most informed.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:35 pm
Stupid, I knew you were stupid but I didn’t realize how completely retarded you really are.
Your source…………… A FREAKING BLOOGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOW
I was looking for a report from Harvard or maybe Oxford……..but NO, you found a BLLOOOOOOG.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, you really do take the cake for stupidity today. Here is your dunce cap. Go sit in the corner.
I have two college degrees and I watch FOX. So, please tell me just how stupid and uninformed this college grad really is!!!!!!!
Where did you attend college, comrade?
Linda
October 27th, 2009
3:36 pm
If Medicare is the most efficient & cost effective provider of health care, why will it be bankrupt in 7 yrs.?
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:38 pm
Stupid, I found a blog that says Daily Show viewers smoke weed and flog the mule, if you know what I mean. Is it true? Well, according to a blog they do!!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAA
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:39 pm
Stupid, I believe this conservative college grad has utterly destroyed any credibility you may have had. Now, be a good little democrat servant and head back on over to the Daily Kos to plot your next animal rights meeting.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:40 pm
Kyle Wingfield, please don’t get mad at me for rubbing Stupids mistakes in her face. She deserved that one. I mean really, a blog?????
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:42 pm
Ms. Hatin’ on the stupid writes: By the way the PEW study shows Daily vierers among the most informed.
Hmmmmm, how many comebacks can I write based off of this????
Hatin' on the stupid
October 27th, 2009
3:44 pm
“Linda, Stupid can’t. All Stupid can do is say that we are uneducated, even though I have two college degrees, hmmmm, can’t quite figure out how Ms. Stupid knows whether or not someone is smart or not.”
Hey kyle, isn’t there a rule or something about people answering questions posed to other people. That is, creating words and putting them in my mouth. I have called no one on here any names, including “uneducated”. It seems Fraud listens to too much talk radio and trys to shout down anyone with a differing opinion. I thought this might be a forum with a more level playing field.
Linda
October 27th, 2009
3:45 pm
Saywhat, are you saying that there’s a credible poll that indicates 70% of Americans who have & like their health care & insurance are willing to give it up for socialized medicine for illegal aliens, the poor uninsured, our healthy young folks & pregnant women who don’t want their babies?
Hatin' on the stupid
October 27th, 2009
3:46 pm
Linda: “This blog proves that Fox viewers are the most informed.”
Whooo, Linda, that’s a good one!! This blog is at least one of the most amusing.
Chris Broe
October 27th, 2009
3:47 pm
On the Today Show, former CIA covert ops agent Mike Baker said that the initial casualty estimates for our 2003 invasion of Iraq were “tens of thousands”, and he chided those estimates and the new ghastly estimates of our possible surge in Afghanistan. “The real casualty figures were way, way lower” in Iraq. Wow, he managed to diss our troop’s sacrifice in Iraq and hide behind the flag. It was appalling and shameful.
This contradicts Rush’s, “When will it be absolutely necessary? What about the troops in Afghanistan already dead? Who is it necessary for?” The Born Again Birthers contradict themselves because they spin every data point into their circular logic. “I’m Right, therefore I’m right.”
Rush is persuasive. We’re totally convinced. Lets surge in Afghanistan because he’s mugging on the radio. (People cant see those faces you make, Rush. You’re a radio star. I thought video keeled the radio star, but I guess that was too much ask of VH1)
Fox News just reported that the Saucer Mom has charged that Professional Wrestling is a fake. In an extended interview, Fox determined that the Saucer Mom also thinks David Blaine’s magic tricks are stupid and crude and easily explained. “He’s palming cards. He uses confederates and stooges. He’s editing video. He’s a fake. Word.”
See the interview in it’s entirety on O’reilly tonite!
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:47 pm
Stupid, waaaaaaaaaaah, what a crybaby.
You write: I thought this might be a forum with a more level playing field.
No, that would be Kindergarten. Maybe your mom can dry your tears.
You also write: Hey kyle, isn’t there a rule or something about people answering questions posed to other people. That is, creating words and putting them in my mouth.
One: No there is not a rule and two, I didn;t put words into your mouth.
Anyone who calls themselves Hatin’ on the stupid is asking for trouble.
Road Scholar
October 27th, 2009
3:48 pm
Afraud: Hate to tell you that you didn’t hurt my feelings. I know it would have made your day! Don’t read Huffington or Kos. But I do read AND comprehend!
Fix-it: ” It will always amaze me that the polls for liberals always come out to what they want it to. Look who they poll, their supporters, which is not accurate.” Same for the conserves, right?(change liberal to conserve).
Afraud: My proctologist says he’d like to meet you! She said she has never seen such a perfect a$$hole! (Sorry to the other bloggers; I vowed not to stoop so low as some of the others.) Seriously, get a handle on your anger; it will bite you in the end!
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:50 pm
Chris Broe, you should check out the entire list of Democrats who said that Iraq was a necessary and needed war.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:52 pm
Road Scholar writes: Afraud: My proctologist says he’d like to meet you! She said she has never seen such a perfect a$$hole! (Sorry to the other bloggers; I vowed not to stoop so low as some of the others.) Seriously, get a handle on your anger; it will bite you in the end!
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWE, Road Non-Scholar can make a funny!!!!!!!! HA!
No anger here comrade. I am laughing all the way to the bank!
Hatin' on the stupid
October 27th, 2009
3:54 pm
Well, fraud, if you don’t like that report on the PEW study showing Faux viewer among the least informed, take your pick. I just referenced the first of hundreds that I came to. Here’s another;
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/259144
But I don’t suppose you care to see facts. You only believe lies.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:54 pm
Road Scholar, I’m happy that you can read. It’s something I learned how to do when I was four years old. It’s been a big help for me. HA! You also vowed not to stoop so low????? When did this happen?
By the way, for the fourth time, have you read any of the five health care bills?
Linda
October 27th, 2009
3:54 pm
Kyle, please don’t pass a rule about people answering questions posed to other people. Having more than one perspective is why Dems watch both Fox & MSNBC. Thank you.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
3:57 pm
Hatin’ on the stupid, WHAT PEW STUDY?????? YOU NEVER POSTED ONE!
Bottom line: If FOX is not real news then neither is MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, CNN, Huffingtonpost etc…….
At least FOX didn’t make up lies about Obama the way it did with Bush. See: Dan Rather.
You wrote: But I don’t suppose you care to see facts. You only believe lies.
HAAAAAAAAAA, THIS COMING FROM A LEFT WING NUT WHO STATES THAT A BLOG IS REAL NEWS!!!!!!! PRICELESS.
WHAT LIES DO I BELIEVE OH WISE ONE???????
Hatin' on the stupid
October 27th, 2009
3:57 pm
Well, Fraud, let me put it more bluntly. Don’t answer questions to me from others. I speak for myself. You do the same.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
4:00 pm
Hatin’ on the stupid, HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
YOU JUST POSTED ANOTHER LEFT WING ARTICLE WRITTEN BY………..A LEFT WING DEMOCRAT.
How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you post blogs and articles written by people who hate FOX NEWS?????
It’s like you telling me that I have to hate America because Michael Moore hates it.
Hatin' on the stupid
October 27th, 2009
4:00 pm
Fraud: “WHAT PEW STUDY??????”
For someone who brags about how much he reads, you obviously didn’t read the report. I guess you just read what confirms your pre-conceived notions.
Hatin' on the stupid
October 27th, 2009
4:01 pm
Hey, don’t hate the messenger…
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
4:01 pm
Hatin’ on the stupid, are you the new Obama appointed AJC CZAR?????????
You write: Don’t answer questions to me from others. I speak for myself. You do the same.
Um hum………Let me clear my throat……… Ok, here goes: MAKE ME.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
4:04 pm
Hatin’ on the stupid, ehhhhhhhhhh wrong Stupid!!!!! I read it. I wanted YOU to provide the ACTUAL report. You failed to do so. Instead, you post a blog by someone who hates FOX NEWS.
By the way, if you hate FOX so much……..don’t watch it. Watch Yo Gabba Gabba. Seems like someone with your low IQ can handle.
David Axelfraud
October 27th, 2009
4:06 pm
Hatin’ on the stupid is used to having her way over on Bookmans blog. Stupid can get away with name calling and hateful rhetoric over there. She is not used to having other bloggers debate and debunk her lies and left wing nonsense. Poor whittle girl.
Road Scholar
October 27th, 2009
4:06 pm
“Can’t argue with stupid”