Night of the living public option

Chris Broe

October 27th, 2009
11:45 am

“Thus Speaker Pelosi’s attempt at t-t-trickeration.”

Thus Spake Stutter-palooza.

CNN just reported that this Halloween will be the first halloween where trick or treaters can say, “trick or tweet”, because if they don’t like the lousy candy you hand them, the word goes out on twitter, and your house could be “smart-TP’d” by mobs of sugar-gorged twitter followers, man.

So give the M+Ms, and don’t be so cheap. And tweet your congressman in support of a public option. Tweet often. Be polite. And be sure to use 25 words or less.

jconservative

October 27th, 2009
12:06 pm

“…an “opt-in” plan would be far more intellectually honest…”

Kyle are you opting for Snowe’s “trigger”?

booger

October 27th, 2009
12:16 pm

My understanding of the opt out plan is that states could opt out for the next four years, but the plan would still be paid for from general funds meaning citizens from these states would be paying for citizens in the states which remain in the plan.

Please let me know if I’m wrong. And don’t use the argument that the plan would be self sustaining. There are provisions for the government to pay all or part of the cost for those earning under $54,000 for a family of four. A bunch of tax dollars will be required.

booger

October 27th, 2009
12:42 pm

Kyle,

I just got my question answered. The illegitimate news network, FOX, just interviewed a democratic senator from Penn. The question asked him was what tax consideration would opt out states get in the bill. He stated there is no savings to those states, however after initial costs
to get the plan up and running, it should be self supporting.

This means there would be costs to the general fund to subsidize lower income people so they could afford the plan. This also means the opt out states would subsidize those who opt in. This in turn means opt out would be a stupid option for any state.

lmno

October 27th, 2009
12:51 pm

So, if the states could choose to “Opt In” rather than “Opt out”, you’d support it?

I don’t think I even understand what the difference would be, but fine.

I am happy that the Public Option is being included in this bill. If Georgia
“Opts out” then I can decide if I want to Opt out of Georgia to a state that chooses to provide health care for its citizens. I think its the best idea yet. Let the states be different. Completely different. Let Georgia be a state with low taxes, no government programs like social security or welfare, strict moral legislation, religious indoctrination in schools, and other things taht are popular here. Then otehr states can have their legal drugs, governmnet provided healthcare, gay marriage, and other things that are popular there.

Then, all we have to do is move to the state that best meets our desires.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
12:53 pm

This is getting to be a rather old and tired discussion. The American public does NOT want government health care. Period. IF this passes it will be the end of freedom in America.

On another note, Kyle, have you been paying any attention to the NY 23rd district race at all? It’s very interesting.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
12:56 pm

Obama’s big change: He moves America to the Right

By: Byron York

As promised, Barack Obama is bringing change to America. He’s making it more Republican.

It’s not that more people are actually becoming Republicans or calling themselves Republicans — the number of voters who formally identify with the party is at its lowest point in years. But we appear to be in the early stages of a shift in which political independents, people who not too long ago were sick of Republicans, are now leaning toward GOP positions on some key issues.

They still call themselves independents, but they’re worried by the left-leaning policies of President Obama and the Democratic Congress, especially on the economy. “The middle, which wanted to move away from George W. Bush, did not want to move this far left,” says a Republican pollster who is tracking the shift. “They are tending to agree with what Republicans are saying more and more, despite the previous eight years.”

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Obama_s-big-change_-He-moves-America-to-the-Right-8442204-66186122.html

Road Scholar

October 27th, 2009
1:16 pm

Afraud: ” The American public does NOT want government health care. ”

And who elected you God? Polls show that many people do.

I think that Reid is setting up the amendment from others (Snowe perhaps) for the trigger on the public option. Insurance companies are already acting like the banks in adjusting rates up before the banking and now the health care laws go into affect. This legislation would go into effect in 2013, plenty of time to see what the healthcare industry is up to. Constantly increasing rates with reduced coverage is what’s in store if nothing is done. Can’t you see that? We’re ranked 40th something in world healthcare still? I think conserves thought that we were NO 1!

And we cannot catch diseases from low income folks? Yeah, sure!

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
1:42 pm

Road Non-Scholar writes: And who elected you God? Polls show that many people do.

If that is true then how come the Dems can’t get anything passed? Also, if the public wanted it then Obamas and the democrat poll numbers would not be so low. Obama has passed every other president in history with the lowest poll numbers in this phase of his presidency.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
1:45 pm

More bad news for Obama. If the former communist news is saying that we are moving to socialism……

America Moving from Kingdom of Cash to Socialism Slowly but Surely

Obama’s decision not to build the Missile Defense System in Poland and the Czech Republic and his Noble Prize have not yet been comprehended from a philosophical viewpoint. It’s time to do it.

Power of Money against Power of Spirit

The last turning point similar to the current one happened approximately 400 years ago. The Western European society discovered a new hierarchy of values. Feudalism that valued service and chivalry was replaced with capitalism. Wealth became the measure of success, and everyone was to care about his own pocket only. The cult of money replaced all other values, including religious.

http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/19-10-2009/109973-socialism-0

William

October 27th, 2009
1:46 pm

The public option or however you title it is simply a democrat scheme to buy votes from the poor or those who have depended on the state for generations that provides everything for them–FOR FREE!

It is a joke and it is a costly joke. I hope there are enough sensible people in congress to dismiss Pelosi and Reid for the jokes they really are.

artatlarge

October 27th, 2009
1:52 pm

You have nothing to worry about on this one, Mr. Wingfield.
I’d bet my last dollar and my left you-know-what that given the chance to “opt out”, the state of Georgia will definitely do just that.
Our leaders of late have proven consistently conservative, even though the accepted
Federal stimulus cash after railing against it, voting against the Franken Amendment, and not even allowing a vote on Sunday alcohol sales.
And hey, David Axelfraud…how many times do you righties have to be told something before you can accept it? IT’S NOT GOV’T HEALTHCARE, IT’S GOV’T HEALTH INSURANCE! Big difference.

hryder

October 27th, 2009
1:56 pm

The fact remains that politicians are trying to buy votes with OUR money. What in Hades name is the problem with taxpayers who seem to think they are not paying for everything the various governments provide. Understand that the parasitic citizens do not pay for the same services because they yearly pay no taxes directly and many actually receive funds provided by taxpayers for purchases. Such PC Mooches should not be permitted to vote.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
2:02 pm

artatlarge writes: how many times do you righties have to be told something before you can accept it? IT’S NOT GOV’T HEALTHCARE, IT’S GOV’T HEALTH INSURANCE! Big difference.

I don’t have to be told anything dim wit. I can read and I have read two bills so far. Guess what, NO ONE IN CONGRESS HAS READ EITHER BILLS. I’m not a sheep like you. I don’t just “do as I am told” like you and other kool aid drinkers.

Oh, if government health care is not government health care then why is the government looking for doctors to work in government health care????????

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
2:04 pm

hryder, I believe that people who want to vote should have to take a series of tests in order to vote. But noooooooooo, liberals would deem that racist. Anything that goes against liberalism is racist.

Shananeeee Fananeeeeeee

October 27th, 2009
2:04 pm

I have a sure bet for you, look for Harry Reid, Democrat Majority Leader from Nevada, to not be re-elected next year. This guy is done. Teleprompter Man(Obama) is as corrupt as they come. I’m still checking CSPAN everyday for Obama’s promise to have healthcare debates around a big table with doctors and insurance companies. I am wondering when this will happen? Something tells me not to hold my breath. Change in 2010 and 2012, Change we are looking forward to.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
2:06 pm

artatlarge, explain the entire health care bill. Since you seem to be for it, explain how it works.

Bottom line: you have not read it.

artatlarge is a kool aid drinking obamabot who lives off her mom’s social security checks.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
2:08 pm

President Dope and Chains is losing support for the democrat party. In every governor race, democrats trail BIIIIIIIIIIIIIG. Poor poor Obama. The man-child can’t stand defeat.

Ga Values

October 27th, 2009
2:19 pm

Housing prices have stabilized but our 2 RINO Senators want to blow another $18 Billion on a fraud filled housing program. How can they call themselves Republicans?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/business/economy/28home.html?hp

Road Scholar

October 27th, 2009
2:25 pm

Look out Kyle, Afraud is taking over your blog. You better not be out any more!

Afraud, do you have to insult everyone? Insulting and yelling (not accusing you of this…yet) are a sign of a week arguement. As for why haven’t they passed anything yet, the democrats do not walk to the beat of one drum. When Bush, or was it Cheney (who really was president?), went about proposing legislation, the Repubs followed as lemmings to the sea. (Oh by the way, just how were the wars in Iraq and Afgan suppose to be paid for? Your tab is due!)

As they say, making legislation in DC is like making sausage; you really don’t want to know how they got there or what falls on the floor! This problem has been brewing for decades, and you, like most people, want a 30 second sound bit and the problem to go away. You are witnessing politics in action, with some conservatives lies thrown in! Perhaps if Obama didn’t have to defend his beliefs or correct the blatant and numerous lies put forth, then we could get some real work done. Isn’t that the repub Mantra; keep the Demos busy on other things than what they are trying to focusing on?

Ray Pugh

October 27th, 2009
2:26 pm

Fellow interweb travelers.

You do realize that bloggers **cough**David Axelfraud**cough** are salaried employees/independently contracted bloggers of the RNC/right-wing thinktanks/PACs, don’t you?

Ray Pugh

October 27th, 2009
2:27 pm

*some

Linda

October 27th, 2009
2:31 pm

artatlarge, Our current private health insurance companies have much control over our health care. If this is merely about govt. health insurance, why is it creating 53 new govt. agencies? O used some examples to push this bill. He accused a pediatrician of removing a child’s tonsils because the doctor would make more $ than writing a prescription. (Ludicrous.) He said that doctors should prescribe pain medication more often rather than knee replacement for Grandma. I was with the impression he feels DC wants to be very involved in our health care, between us & the medical profession.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
2:32 pm

Road Non-Scholar, awe, your wittle feewings got hurt. Boo hoo. Go cry to your master Obama.

What is the world does Dick Cheney have to do with socialized government health care? Again, you didn’t answer your own argument so I don’t really know how else say this. You have not explained your own comment. If you are going to debate someone you might want to actually read the health care bill you are arguing for. Dim wit.

You wrote: Perhaps if Obama didn’t have to defend his beliefs or correct the blatant and numerous lies put forth, then we could get some real work done.

WHAT BELIEFS?????? HE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW WHAT HE BELIEVES. IT TOOK HIM FOUR MONTHS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF DOG TO GET HIS KIDS.

Now that’s Change I can believe in!!!!!!! Yes we can, blah blah blah.

Bottom line: Obama is nothing more than an empty suit who still thinks he’s running a campaign against George W. Bush.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
2:32 pm

Ray Pugh, how much is Bookman paying you to be here?

Ray Pugh

October 27th, 2009
2:40 pm

David Assyoullprod,

Come to think of it, after reading your posts, there’s no way you’re a RNC shill–their typing apes have far more cogent arguments than your repetitive braying. Maybe you should go to the same school Wingnut graduated from for a little training in how to be a right-wing troll…

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
2:45 pm

Ray Pugh, I read both bills. From top to bottom. Road Scholar basically said that everyone needs to just except whatever plan Lord Obama has for us all. I asked him to tell me the difference between government health care and government insurance. He did not do that. SO guess what, I defended myself against his asinine comments.

Now, you can say whatever you want about me but the fact remains that you and Ms. Scholar can’t defend the health care bill. Moron.

Fix-It

October 27th, 2009
2:45 pm

Road Scholar,
Who elected YOU God? The vast majority of American’s, about 70% do NOT want this abomination to see the light of day. But if you trust the HuffungtonPuss or the daily COS then we can only pray for you. It will always amaze me that the polls for liberals always come out to what they want it to. Look who they poll, their supporters, which is not accurate. So let’s try some common sense 70% of American’s get their healthcare through the work place and are happy with it. So why do liberals want to destroy the happiness of 70% of Americans to make the other 30% happy. Does that seem like a democratic thing to do? If you do please use logic and common sense to tell me why, or better yet how come this administration is not even trying to make more jobs? I guess if they had jobs they would have healthcare and Obozo and his goons would not have a leg to stand on.

Fix-It

October 27th, 2009
2:46 pm

Wait when will it be posted on line for 72 hours before a vote?

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
2:48 pm

Fix-It, great point. It’s like when libs like Obama and others claim that FOX NEWS is not real news. YET, CNN and MSNBC employs ex-Carter and ex-Clinton cabinet members.

Just A Grunt

October 27th, 2009
2:48 pm

Whatever name you want ot put on this scheme from the Democrats the bottom line is it will effectively drive most private insurance companies out of business. It is targeted right at them. The government will always be able to undermine the cost simply by either operating at a loss for a while or increasing taxes, sorry the Dems word is fees, on everybody. As the private insurance companies go out of business more and more people join up on the government plan increasing costs which will force taxes to go up. It is a self defeating plan and is pretty much nothing more then a Ponzi scheme similar to what Bernie Madoff went to jail for and why Social Security is in trouble.

And then what happens???

Dope and Change

October 27th, 2009
2:49 pm

OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED. OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED. OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED. OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED. OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED. OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED. OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED. OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED. OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED. OBAMA LIED, SOLDIERS DIED.

8 US troops die; new deadliest month in Afghan war

KABUL – Eight American troops were killed in two separate bomb attacks Tuesday in southern Afghanistan, making October the deadliest month of the war for U.S. forces since the 2001 invasion to oust the Taliban.

In one of the insurgent assaults, seven Americans were killed while patrolling in armored vehicles, U.S. forces spokesman Lt. Col. Todd Vician said. He said an Afghan civilian died in the same attack. The eighth American was killed in a separate bombing elsewhere in the south, also while patrolling in a military vehicle, he said.

The military issued a statement saying the deaths occurred during “multiple, complex” bomb strikes. It said several troops were wounded and evacuated to a nearby medical facility, but gave no other details.

Capt. Adam Weece, a spokesman for American forces in the south, said both attacks occurred in Kandahar province. In Washington, a U.S. defense official said at least one was followed by an intense firefight with insurgents who attacked after an initial bomb went off. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to release the information.

The deaths bring to 55 the total number of American troops killed in October in Afghanistan. The previous high occurred in August, when 51 U.S. soldiers died and the troubled nation held the first round of its presidential election amid a wave of Taliban insurgent attacks.

The deadliest month of the Iraq conflict for U.S. forces was November 2004, when 137 Americans were killed during the assault to clear insurgents from the city of Fallujah.

“A loss like this is extremely difficult for the families as well as for those who served alongside these brave service members,” said Navy Capt. Jane Campbell, a military spokeswoman. “Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends who mourn their loss.”

The loss of life followed one of the worst days of the war for U.S. forces in Afghanistan since they launched air strikes in 2001 to oust the Taliban from power.

On Monday, a U.S. military helicopter crashed returning from the scene of a firefight with suspected Taliban drug traffickers in western Afghanistan, killing 10 Americans including three DEA agents. In a separate crash the same day, four more U.S. troops were killed when two helicopters collided over southern Afghanistan.

U.S. military officials insisted neither crash was the result of hostile fire, although the Taliban claimed they shot down a U.S. helicopter in the western province of Badghis. The U.S. did not say where in western Afghanistan its helicopter went down, and no other aircraft were reported missing.

Those casualties marked the Drug Enforcement Administration’s first deaths since it began operations here in 2005. Afghanistan is the world’s largest producer of opium — the raw ingredient in heroin — and the illicit drug trade is a major source of funding for insurgent groups.

Ray Pugh

October 27th, 2009
2:51 pm

you know the difference b/w gov’t insurance and gov’t health care, but not “accept” and “except”?

Ray Pugh

October 27th, 2009
2:53 pm

Wingfield,

Exercise some control over your blog and ban some of these trolls! For someone who believes in maintaining order, you sure do a lousy job keeping your own house in order. Typical conservative…

Tommy Maddox

October 27th, 2009
2:54 pm

I always thought of Nancy Pelosi as being the San Francisco version of Cynthia McKinney. The big difference/problem is that a lot of fools are following along with Pelosi rather than dismissing her as the wack-job she really is.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
2:55 pm

Ray Puke, simple typo, comrade. I was typing very fast. Anyway, meant to write ACCEPT. And yes, I know the difference.

booger

October 27th, 2009
2:58 pm

I would like to point out once again that those states who opt out of the plan will still pay taxes for those states in the plan. This essentially means there is no real viable option.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
2:59 pm

Kyle Wingfield, maybe you should establish a set of rules. How was I to know that you had a no 2,000 word ban on your blog?

Ray Pugh, funny you say that, Bookman allows left-wing nut jobs, like yourself, run amok all the time on his blogs.

Like they say, if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. You jumped in here and attacked me first.

Maybe all the weed fried your brain cells. Here is what you wrote about me BEFORE I ever said anything about you.

Ray Pugh

October 27th, 2009
2:26 pm

Fellow interweb travelers.

You do realize that bloggers **cough**David Axelfraud**cough** are salaried employees/independently contracted bloggers of the RNC/right-wing thinktanks/PACs, don’t you?

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:00 pm

Ray Pugh, you also were the first to attack me with names.

Ray Pugh

October 27th, 2009
2:40 pm

David Assyoullprod,

Come to think of it, after reading your posts, there’s no way you’re a RNC shill–their typing apes have far more cogent arguments than your repetitive braying. Maybe you should go to the same school Wingnut graduated from for a little training in how to be a right-wing troll…

Ray Pugh

October 27th, 2009
3:02 pm

Oh have a sense of humor Kyle! “Wingnut” is just so easy how could I resist?

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:03 pm

Ray Pugh called me an ape! THAT’S RACIST!!!!!!!!!! WHERE IS JESSE AND AL?

OH WAIT, I WILL CALL UP CYNTHIA TUCKER.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:03 pm

Ray Pugh writes: Oh have a sense of humor Kyle! “Wingnut” is just so easy how could I resist?

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, this is AFTER Puke tries to get Kyle to ban me for name calling.

RAY PUGH = HYPOCRITE!!!!!!

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
3:05 pm

Kyle, maybe the public option will not die because polls show, after the blitz of lies this Summer derailed it somewhat, that Americans want it. Let’s see if the dems can find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:07 pm

Hatin’ on the stupid, what lies are you talking about? NOT ONE congressman has read any of the socialist health care bills.

Ray Pugh

October 27th, 2009
3:07 pm

DA,

The banning request was made for your ridiculously long copy ‘n paste jobs, not for the namecalling. Why do you think someone named “Ray Pugh” would have a problem w/ namecalling?

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:09 pm

Stupid, what is hilarious is the fact that your party can’t get anything done. What’s even funnier is the fact that democrats control both houses and the presidency. What’s even funnier than that is the fact that liberals, like you, call the republican party, stupid. If the GOP is stupid then your party must be the party of insanity.

Joe Obvious

October 27th, 2009
3:09 pm

Can’t wait to see how long the unemployment line gets after insurance companies go under and people that work in the billing departments in hospitals are out of work.

Ironically the same problem exists with implementing a flat tax, it would kill jobs in the tax industry. HR Block/Turbo Tax, tax firms, etc become unnecessary if you only have to pay 15% of all earnings with no exceptions.

Complicated systems create jobs.

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
3:09 pm

Uhh..death panels….pulling the plug on poor Trig….government takeover of healthcare….socialism……you know the usual

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:13 pm

Kyle Wingfield, attacking????????? I was answering her questions.

Stupid, IT IS SOCIALISM. HELL, EVEN FORMER COMMUNIST NEWS PAPERS SAY THAT. PRAVDA.
Death Panels were also in there. If they were not then why did Harry and Nancy have it pulled out?

Come on Stupid, keep up the democrat talking points. Try reaaaaaaaaaaal hard to defend something that you have not read.

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
3:15 pm

Kyle, what about CBO studies showing that the public option actually saves money, possibly even enough to pay for itself.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/21/health.care.cbo/

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:17 pm

Stupid, explain what tax payer funded abortions in the “health care” bill have to do with well….health care.

Mich. Democrat: Pelosi ‘not happy with me’

During an interview on C-SPAN’s “Washington Journal” show, Stupak (D-Mich.) said he is undeterred in trying to ensure that taxpayer dollars do not pay for abortions. Stupak, who opposes abortion rights, acknowledged that some in his party are upset with his public campaign to change the bill.

http://thehill.com//blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/64971-mich-democrat-pelosi-not-happy-with-me

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:18 pm

Hatin’ on the stupid, that is a big fat LIIIIIIIIE. The CBO said that it was “inconclusive” as to this public option saving money.

BUTTTTTTTTT, If the government rations health care then yes they will save money…….while many Americans die. How’s that for a death panel, comrade?

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:20 pm

Stupid, also, hate to break your heart but CNN is dead last in news. Sorry comrade, but CNN is about as relevant as Huffingtonpissed and Daily Krap. But then again, you also believe that the Daily Show is real.

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
3:20 pm

Fraud: The ability to read doesn’t equate with the ability to reason. Since you are so proud of having read the bill(s), show me where it says government death panels would have made life or death decisions for the elderly.

Joan

October 27th, 2009
3:20 pm

So, we get to pay for other people’s healthcare, even if our state opts out. Oh joy. Screwed again. I can’t wait until the next election. I am so over this tin eared Congress who are only concerned with their jobs and benefits. And you better believe, they are rich enough to pay for their doctors with their own money so don’t need to worry about us peasants. They won’t even consider tort reform and cross state competition–too simple.

Joan

October 27th, 2009
3:22 pm

About the abortions. As a conservative, I am all for all the abortions wanted. It costs me less to have those unwanted kids aborted than it does to raise them to adulthood and then support them in prisons.

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
3:23 pm

Fraud: “But then again, you also believe that the Daily Show is real”

I guess you missed the study showing Faux news viewers were among the least informed.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:23 pm

Stupid, it was taken out. It was called RATIONING. That means, if the government decides that an 80 year old man isn’t worth investing in a surgery, they will let him die. Make sense? Probably not because you believe that the Daily Show is real news.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:25 pm

Stupid, why are you so scared of FOX NEWS?

And, what does a real fake news show have to do with FOX NEWS?

Please provide facts that show FOX is not real news. And no, I don’t mean go and ask your boyfriend Keith Olbermann or Chris Matthews.

Like I ask every dope smoking college drop out lib, show some actual proof that FOX has either lied or provided fake news.

Linda

October 27th, 2009
3:26 pm

Dear Mr. Stupid, Help me understand why anyone other than the DC bunch, the uninsured poor & the illegals would benefit from socialized health care.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:27 pm

Stupid, who did this study on FOX NEWS?

Guesses: Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, Hussein Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton……….

Also, provide a link to back up your claims of a study.

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
3:27 pm

If medicare is acknowledged as being one of the most efficient, and cost effective providers of health care, wouldn’t it stand to reason that a public option, styled on medicare, would likewise be cost effective?

Chris Broe

October 27th, 2009
3:27 pm

I’m going to have to call a troll-coddling foul on Clyde Ringfelt today.

Today, Rush was ranting about obama’s deliberations concerning the surge in Afghanistan. “I will not ask you to risk your lives, unless it’s necessary”.

Rush cant ennunciate a mission for US troops in Afghanistan either. W couldn’t. Gates cant or wont, even though he’s former CIA director… Rumsfeld/Cheney – you’ve got to be kidding me.

There is no Afghan mission except to employ the defense industry. Capitalism doesn’t work without war.

Give our troops a mission. Somebody. Could it be that nobody knows what they’re talking about anymore? We just run our mouths, and we always threaten and cajole any dissent. If capitalism only works in wartime, then let’s start more wars and get Americans working again.

Somebody make a stand. The mission of US troops is to kill as many Afghan Scum as we possibly can…..WHAT?

Anybody want to take a shot at Iraq’s Strategic Mission? at long last?

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:29 pm

Linda, Stupid can’t. All Stupid can do is say that we are uneducated, even though I have two college degrees, hmmmm, can’t quite figure out how Ms. Stupid knows whether or not someone is smart or not. Anyway, no, Ms. Stupid has not read any of the health care bills. She just spews DNC talking points.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:30 pm

Ms Stupid writes: If medicare is acknowledged as being one of the most efficient, and cost effective providers of health care, wouldn’t it stand to reason that a public option, styled on medicare, would likewise be cost effective?

Well Ms. Stupid, I guess your name fits. MEDICARE IS GOING BANKRUPT. HAAAAAAAAAAA

saywhat?

October 27th, 2009
3:31 pm

Kyle, the reason the public option won’t die is simple. It is because in every creditable poll, more people are for it than against it. You can try to dismiss these polls as resulting from unrealistic beliefs of what the public option will or will not be, but that is pure conjecture on your part.You certainly are not claiming mind reading ability, are you? It seems a simpler and more reasonable guess would be that people are sick of being screwed over by insurance companies. With every passing day, more and more is revealed in the news of the slimy underbelly of the insurance industry. Why wouldn’t people want a system not motivated by naked greed?

The reason politicians don’t cater to the public will reflected in these poll results is because polls and public will don’t pay for re-election campaigns, dollars from insurance companies, big pharma, and for-profit healthcare do. Despite these dollars though, these entities can’t vote. Once a critical mass of public opinion is reached, where no amount of campaign funds can overcome it, the politicians will fall in line as well.

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
3:31 pm

Ask and thou shalt receive:

http://mirroronamerica.blogspot.com/2007/04/fox-viewers-least-informed-according-to.html

By the way the PEW study shows Daily vierers among the most informed.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:33 pm

Chris Broe, the mission is simple. Eradicate Islamic terrorist groups. Eliminate the capability of the Taliban and all other cells. We are not there to conquer the country. Obama has no clue as to what he is doing. It is above his pay grade.

Linda

October 27th, 2009
3:35 pm

This blog proves that Fox viewers are the most informed.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:35 pm

Stupid, I knew you were stupid but I didn’t realize how completely retarded you really are.

Your source…………… A FREAKING BLOOGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOW

I was looking for a report from Harvard or maybe Oxford……..but NO, you found a BLLOOOOOOG.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, you really do take the cake for stupidity today. Here is your dunce cap. Go sit in the corner.

I have two college degrees and I watch FOX. So, please tell me just how stupid and uninformed this college grad really is!!!!!!!

Where did you attend college, comrade?

Linda

October 27th, 2009
3:36 pm

If Medicare is the most efficient & cost effective provider of health care, why will it be bankrupt in 7 yrs.?

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:38 pm

Stupid, I found a blog that says Daily Show viewers smoke weed and flog the mule, if you know what I mean. Is it true? Well, according to a blog they do!!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAA

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:39 pm

Stupid, I believe this conservative college grad has utterly destroyed any credibility you may have had. Now, be a good little democrat servant and head back on over to the Daily Kos to plot your next animal rights meeting.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:40 pm

Kyle Wingfield, please don’t get mad at me for rubbing Stupids mistakes in her face. She deserved that one. I mean really, a blog?????

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:42 pm

Ms. Hatin’ on the stupid writes: By the way the PEW study shows Daily vierers among the most informed.

Hmmmmm, how many comebacks can I write based off of this????

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
3:44 pm

“Linda, Stupid can’t. All Stupid can do is say that we are uneducated, even though I have two college degrees, hmmmm, can’t quite figure out how Ms. Stupid knows whether or not someone is smart or not.”

Hey kyle, isn’t there a rule or something about people answering questions posed to other people. That is, creating words and putting them in my mouth. I have called no one on here any names, including “uneducated”. It seems Fraud listens to too much talk radio and trys to shout down anyone with a differing opinion. I thought this might be a forum with a more level playing field.

Linda

October 27th, 2009
3:45 pm

Saywhat, are you saying that there’s a credible poll that indicates 70% of Americans who have & like their health care & insurance are willing to give it up for socialized medicine for illegal aliens, the poor uninsured, our healthy young folks & pregnant women who don’t want their babies?

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
3:46 pm

Linda: “This blog proves that Fox viewers are the most informed.”

Whooo, Linda, that’s a good one!! This blog is at least one of the most amusing.

Chris Broe

October 27th, 2009
3:47 pm

On the Today Show, former CIA covert ops agent Mike Baker said that the initial casualty estimates for our 2003 invasion of Iraq were “tens of thousands”, and he chided those estimates and the new ghastly estimates of our possible surge in Afghanistan. “The real casualty figures were way, way lower” in Iraq. Wow, he managed to diss our troop’s sacrifice in Iraq and hide behind the flag. It was appalling and shameful.

This contradicts Rush’s, “When will it be absolutely necessary? What about the troops in Afghanistan already dead? Who is it necessary for?” The Born Again Birthers contradict themselves because they spin every data point into their circular logic. “I’m Right, therefore I’m right.”

Rush is persuasive. We’re totally convinced. Lets surge in Afghanistan because he’s mugging on the radio. (People cant see those faces you make, Rush. You’re a radio star. I thought video keeled the radio star, but I guess that was too much ask of VH1)

Fox News just reported that the Saucer Mom has charged that Professional Wrestling is a fake. In an extended interview, Fox determined that the Saucer Mom also thinks David Blaine’s magic tricks are stupid and crude and easily explained. “He’s palming cards. He uses confederates and stooges. He’s editing video. He’s a fake. Word.”

See the interview in it’s entirety on O’reilly tonite!

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:47 pm

Stupid, waaaaaaaaaaah, what a crybaby.

You write: I thought this might be a forum with a more level playing field.

No, that would be Kindergarten. Maybe your mom can dry your tears.

You also write: Hey kyle, isn’t there a rule or something about people answering questions posed to other people. That is, creating words and putting them in my mouth.

One: No there is not a rule and two, I didn;t put words into your mouth.

Anyone who calls themselves Hatin’ on the stupid is asking for trouble.

Road Scholar

October 27th, 2009
3:48 pm

Afraud: Hate to tell you that you didn’t hurt my feelings. I know it would have made your day! Don’t read Huffington or Kos. But I do read AND comprehend!

Fix-it: ” It will always amaze me that the polls for liberals always come out to what they want it to. Look who they poll, their supporters, which is not accurate.” Same for the conserves, right?(change liberal to conserve).

Afraud: My proctologist says he’d like to meet you! She said she has never seen such a perfect a$$hole! (Sorry to the other bloggers; I vowed not to stoop so low as some of the others.) Seriously, get a handle on your anger; it will bite you in the end!

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:50 pm

Chris Broe, you should check out the entire list of Democrats who said that Iraq was a necessary and needed war.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:52 pm

Road Scholar writes: Afraud: My proctologist says he’d like to meet you! She said she has never seen such a perfect a$$hole! (Sorry to the other bloggers; I vowed not to stoop so low as some of the others.) Seriously, get a handle on your anger; it will bite you in the end!

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWE, Road Non-Scholar can make a funny!!!!!!!! HA!

No anger here comrade. I am laughing all the way to the bank!

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
3:54 pm

Well, fraud, if you don’t like that report on the PEW study showing Faux viewer among the least informed, take your pick. I just referenced the first of hundreds that I came to. Here’s another;
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/259144
But I don’t suppose you care to see facts. You only believe lies.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:54 pm

Road Scholar, I’m happy that you can read. It’s something I learned how to do when I was four years old. It’s been a big help for me. HA! You also vowed not to stoop so low????? When did this happen?

By the way, for the fourth time, have you read any of the five health care bills?

Linda

October 27th, 2009
3:54 pm

Kyle, please don’t pass a rule about people answering questions posed to other people. Having more than one perspective is why Dems watch both Fox & MSNBC. Thank you.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:57 pm

Hatin’ on the stupid, WHAT PEW STUDY?????? YOU NEVER POSTED ONE!

Bottom line: If FOX is not real news then neither is MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, CNN, Huffingtonpost etc…….

At least FOX didn’t make up lies about Obama the way it did with Bush. See: Dan Rather.

You wrote: But I don’t suppose you care to see facts. You only believe lies.

HAAAAAAAAAA, THIS COMING FROM A LEFT WING NUT WHO STATES THAT A BLOG IS REAL NEWS!!!!!!! PRICELESS.

WHAT LIES DO I BELIEVE OH WISE ONE???????

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
3:57 pm

Well, Fraud, let me put it more bluntly. Don’t answer questions to me from others. I speak for myself. You do the same.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
4:00 pm

Hatin’ on the stupid, HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

YOU JUST POSTED ANOTHER LEFT WING ARTICLE WRITTEN BY………..A LEFT WING DEMOCRAT.

How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you post blogs and articles written by people who hate FOX NEWS?????

It’s like you telling me that I have to hate America because Michael Moore hates it.

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
4:00 pm

Fraud: “WHAT PEW STUDY??????”

For someone who brags about how much he reads, you obviously didn’t read the report. I guess you just read what confirms your pre-conceived notions.

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
4:01 pm

Hey, don’t hate the messenger…

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
4:01 pm

Hatin’ on the stupid, are you the new Obama appointed AJC CZAR?????????

You write: Don’t answer questions to me from others. I speak for myself. You do the same.

Um hum………Let me clear my throat……… Ok, here goes: MAKE ME.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
4:04 pm

Hatin’ on the stupid, ehhhhhhhhhh wrong Stupid!!!!! I read it. I wanted YOU to provide the ACTUAL report. You failed to do so. Instead, you post a blog by someone who hates FOX NEWS.

By the way, if you hate FOX so much……..don’t watch it. Watch Yo Gabba Gabba. Seems like someone with your low IQ can handle.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
4:06 pm

Hatin’ on the stupid is used to having her way over on Bookmans blog. Stupid can get away with name calling and hateful rhetoric over there. She is not used to having other bloggers debate and debunk her lies and left wing nonsense. Poor whittle girl.

Road Scholar

October 27th, 2009
4:06 pm

“Can’t argue with stupid”

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
4:09 pm

Hatin’ on the stupid writes: Hey, don’t hate the messenger…

Who is hating, stupid? No one hating here. Just debunking your…………blogs.

BS Aplenty

October 27th, 2009
4:10 pm

“And feel free to keep on using it, Mr. Pugh”

Priceless.

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
4:13 pm

Fraud: “Stupid can get away with name calling and hateful rhetoric over there.”

Look in the mirror sometime bro, if you can stand it.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
4:15 pm

Hatin’ on the stupid, what I find totally hypocritical with you is the fact that you come on this blog and Bookmans blog, act like a tool, and THEN get mad when someone else beats you at your own game.

Now, feel free to go cry to Jay Bookman because he is the ONLY person at the AJC that will look past your insults to defend you against right wing crazies like me! LOL.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
4:17 pm

Hatin’ on the stupid, one more thing. The fact that you write, Look in the mirror sometime bro, leads me to believe that you never went to college. YET, you call yourself informed and Fox viewers, stupid and uneducated.

HYPOCRITE!!!!!

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
4:26 pm

Fraud: Hatin’ on the stupid, what I find totally hypocritical with you is the fact that you come on this blog and Bookmans blog, act like a tool, and THEN get mad when someone else beats you at your own game.

Dude, you have never made me mad. Only amused. I know you think it’s your patriotic duty to “hit back hard” at liberals, but your certainty that you are right is what I find amusing. That, and your play-ground name calling. You think you’re sooo bad, but you’re really just funny.

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
4:29 pm

Do you feel akin to Jesus when you yell, “HYPOCRITE!!!!!”

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
4:29 pm

Ms. Stupid, are you 15? What adult uses the word “dude” in a conversation with another adult?

My patriotic duty??????? Wow, did you even finish high school?

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
4:30 pm

Hatin’ on the stupid, look little girl, just go back over to Bookmans blog and brag how you argued with a right wing troll. Go on little girl, you can do it.

You wrote: Do you feel akin to Jesus when you yell, “HYPOCRITE!!!!!”

Nope, I feel like David Axelfraud who’s just called out a left wing nut job for what she really is.

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
4:31 pm

Fraud: “you call yourself informed and Fox viewers, stupid and uneducated. ”

Could you show me where I called anyone these things. Please. You are the one so free with the name calling.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
4:34 pm

Ms. Stupid, here you go!

Hatin’ on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
3:23 pm

Fraud: “But then again, you also believe that the Daily Show is real”

I guess you missed the study showing Faux news viewers were among the least informed.

One: “least informed” in liberal speak means stupid.

Now, feel free to contradict yourself.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
4:36 pm

Hatin’ on the stupid, your very name says it all. You claim to have never name called YET your very name Hatin’ on the stupid speaks volumes.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
4:38 pm

Hatin’ on the stupid, if I am the least informed how come I know more about what’s in the health care bill?

You claim that FOX NEWS is not real news etc…., yet you have not read the health care bill.

Bottom line: You take your marching orders from the DNC and Moveon.org.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
4:40 pm

Hatin’ on the stupid, also, please provide REAL DATA that states whether FOX NEWS has lied about anything.

CBS made up fake national guard documents to kill the Bush presidency in 2004 so…….that makes them a fake news source.

What has FOX falsified as news?

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
4:41 pm

Kyle Wingfield, what have I done that’s so wrong? This is a public blog, right? I mean no one pays to be here.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
4:43 pm

Kyle Wingfield, one more thing. You do realize that passivity gets you no where with liberals, right?

Linda

October 27th, 2009
4:48 pm

Dear Stupid, I apologize for referring to you as Mr. Stupid if you are really Ms. Stupid. It’st alright if someone else answers my questions I pose to you. I don’t mean to offend you, but sometimes Mr. Axelfraud makes a little more conservative sense.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
4:52 pm

Linda, thanks. Conservatives are going to have to use the same tactics against liberals. It’s just the way it has to be. I don;t like it but hey, if it destroys liberalism so be it. Reagan never compromised his principals. Why should we.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
4:57 pm

Kyle Wingfield, uh, it was you who wanted a discussion on the public option. You wanted debate, right?

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
5:00 pm

Wingfield, not to be a jerk but you do need to garner a lot more bloggers. Bookman has many bloggers because of debates and arguments. I had to get vicious with Stupid because Stupid was posting nonsense about FOX NEWS etc… I have read the bill. Not many people can say that.

saywhat?

October 27th, 2009
5:06 pm

Linda

October 27th, 2009
3:45 pm
“Saywhat, are you saying that there’s a credible poll that indicates 70% of Americans who have & like their health care & insurance are willing to give it up for socialized medicine for illegal aliens, the poor uninsured, our healthy young folks & pregnant women who don’t want their babies?”

No, I’m not saying that. As a matter of fact, I doubt very much there is any poll like that anywhere, nor will there ever be, because no credible pollster would ever ask such a rambling nonsensical question.

What I am saying is that it is not hard to understand why most people would rather have the option available to buy their insurance from the government for a reasonable rate, and have benefits managed based on research proven best medical practices, rather than shell out exorbitant sums to a corporation and yet still be denied coverage based on technicalities or pure randomness for the sake of corporate profits. Do you have a poll that say people would prefer the second scenario?

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
5:06 pm

Dismantling America

By Thomas Sowell

Just one year ago, would you have believed that an unelected government official, not even a Cabinet member confirmed by the Senate but simply one of the many “czars” appointed by the President, could arbitrarily cut the pay of executives in private businesses by 50 percent or 90 percent?

Did you think that another “czar” would be talking about restricting talk radio? That there would be plans afloat to subsidize newspapers– that is, to create a situation where some newspapers’ survival would depend on the government liking what they publish?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/10/27/dismantling_america_98883.html

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
5:07 pm

Did you imagine that anyone would even be talking about having a panel of so-called “experts” deciding who could and could not get life-saving medical treatments?

Scary as that is from a medical standpoint, it is also chilling from the standpoint of freedom. If you have a mother who needs a heart operation or a child with some dire medical condition, how free would you feel to speak out against an administration that has the power to make life and death decisions about your loved ones?

Does any of this sound like America?

How about a federal agency giving school children material to enlist them on the side of the president? Merely being assigned to sing his praises in class is apparently not enough.

How much of America would be left if the federal government continued on this path? President Obama has already floated the idea of a national police force, something we have done without for more than two centuries.

We already have local police forces all across the country and military forces for national defense, as well as the FBI for federal crimes and the National Guard for local emergencies. What would be the role of a national police force created by Barack Obama, with all its leaders appointed by him? It would seem more like the brown shirts of dictators than like anything American.

How far the President will go depends of course on how much resistance he meets. But the direction in which he is trying to go tells us more than all his rhetoric or media spin.

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
5:12 pm

Kyle, I was trying to discuss the topic at hand and immediately came under attack by Fraud.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
5:14 pm

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, wrong Stupid. You’re not the innocent little victim here.

Linda

October 27th, 2009
5:15 pm

Mr. Axelfraud, I’m HATIN’ to tell you this but Forrest Gump pretty much summed it up with his famous quote: ” ….is as…does.”

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
5:19 pm

RUSH LIMBAUGH IS RIGHT!!!!!! OBAMA IS A RACIST!

“I found solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity AGAINST my mother’s race.”

“I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, THE BLACK MAN, son of Africa, that I’d packed all my attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds of shift in an ugly direction”

-Barrack Hussein Obama

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
5:21 pm

Blow, hot air, blow….

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
5:22 pm

Ms. Stupid, THIS IS THE VERY FIRST THING THAT I WROTE TO YOU.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
3:07 pm

Hatin’ on the stupid, what lies are you talking about? NOT ONE congressman has read any of the socialist health care bills.

WHERE IN THAT COMMENT DID I ATTACK YOU???????????

COME ON STUPID, YOU CAN DO IT…NO WAIT, YOU CAN’T, BECAUSE I NEVER….ATTACKED….YOU……………

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
5:23 pm

Hatin’ on the stupid, I am tired of calling out your idiotic lies. You’ve lost. Done. Over with. Go back to the trailer park.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
5:25 pm

Stupid, I hear Bookman calling you to come home. It’s bed time. Time to go night night in your cage. Go home little girl, go……..

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
5:27 pm

Stupid, do you know what a dictionary is? I wonder if they have one at your elementary school.

Attack: to set upon in a forceful, violent, hostile, or aggressive way, with or without a weapon; begin fighting with: He attacked him with his bare hands.

Now, with what weapon did I “attack” you with?

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
5:28 pm

Yeah, you’re right, fraud, you’ve totally demolished me in this most sophisticated of debates. You get the trophy. Health care for all!

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
5:28 pm

For any democrat voter. Name ONE state that is doing well under Democrat control. One.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
5:30 pm

Hatin’ on the stupid, look, I pity people like you. You believe that fake news is real news. Still believe that Santa Clause is real and also think that Al Gore is a prophet.

Again, it doesn’t take a rocket biologist to figure out that you lost. Badly.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
5:31 pm

Stupid, hey, since you’re offering to pay for my health care insurance GREAT!!!!!! Please make your payment payable to Blue Cross Blue Shield.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
5:37 pm

Democrat controlled states:

Michigan: 14.8% unemployment, California: 12% unemployment, Massachusetts 9.3%, Illinois 10.2%

GOP controlled states:

Texas 8.3%, Georgia: 10.2%, Louisiana: 7.4%, Alabama: 10.6%

Now, one could conclude that Republican governors do a better job for their states. Just saying.

Hatin' on the stupid

October 27th, 2009
5:45 pm

If Fraud keeps talking to himself does anyone hear….

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
5:47 pm

Hatin’ on the stupid, you just answered your own question. Your stupidity is amazing.

Lost child

October 27th, 2009
5:50 pm

How bout a limit of say 50 blogs per day? Or have a couple of these folks exchange E-mails so we don’t have to read their every thought.

artatlarge

October 27th, 2009
6:09 pm

Mr. Wingfield:
I enjoy these little debates that occur here, but that David Axelfraud….
Sometimes I forgo commenting because I get tired of the kind of personal insults dished out by people like him.
My opinions have differed from yours every time but one. I agree that no public money should be used to build a new stadium for Arthur Blank.
But I refer to you as Mr. Wingfield rather than something mean-spirited because I know how little I like being insulted by people merely because our opinions are different. I’ll always call you Mr. Wingfield no matter how far apart our beliefs are (unless you tell me that I can call you Kyle), because that is how adults are supposed to behave.
But the unbridled hatred, name-calling, and insults are definitely having a chilling effect.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
6:24 pm

artatlarge has selective amnesia. This is what artatlarge wrote this afternoon.

And hey, David Axelfraud…how many times do you righties have to be told something before you can accept it? IT’S NOT GOV’T HEALTHCARE, IT’S GOV’T HEALTH INSURANCE! Big difference.

Now, it was you who first addressed me.

Also, I just looooooooove the fact that you ignore the other two bloggers who argued with me today.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
6:25 pm

artatlarge, do you enjoy lying?

Linda

October 27th, 2009
6:43 pm

Saywhat, There is a thrift store in my little hometown that sells everything dirt cheap. Books are 10 cents & clothes (even formal gowns) are 25 cents. Residents have to practically give their items away @ yd sales.
There’s no way private health care co’s can compete with gov-run health care. Businesses can’t compete with govt., non-profits & charities.
The goal of the DC bunch is to put private insurance companies out of business & to socialize our health care, just like did with our financial system, 2 of our 3 auto makers, the largest insurance company in the world (AIG), Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac, etc.
We had the best real estate financial system in the world & a great real estate market, but the govt. decided that home ownership was a right, not a privilege, & required the banks, savings & loans, Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac (who bought loans from mortgage companies) to make loans to anyone who breathed. Our fed. gov’s philosophy of Affordable Housing caused a world-wide economic collapse.
Health care is already a right. Now, they’ve decided that health care insurance is a right, not a privilege.
The health care reform bill has nothing to do with health, care or reform. Medicare is ripe with fraud & will be bankrupt in 7 yrs. Americans don’t want to give up the best health care insurance system in the world for socialized health care, which is neither healthy or caring. The govt. will never reform tort as long as lawyers are in charge in DC. If this was really about insuring the uninsured, all they have to do is contract with insurance co’s for group rates for everyone, regardless of citizenship or pre-existing conditions. Just a few phone calls would do it. It would be cheaper for the govt. to buy all the uninsured insurance policies than to create these 53 new agencies & try to run it like the post office or the IRS.
Unfortunately, there’s no money to do either. Check debtclock.com. Our deficit already this year has quadrupled. We not only owe almost $12 T that we’ve borrowed but there’s another $106 T we owe but don’t have the money for, including $14 T in social security & $73.5 T in medicare that the govt. took from our paychecks but spent. We’ve indebted our great, great, great, great grandchildren & Cap & Trade/Tax has already passed the House. What money they haven’t borrowed, they’re just printing which will cause massive inflation. Our triple A credit rating will go down. In 3 yrs., our debt service will be equal to the income from taxes! We are close to bankruptcy. Our national security is at risk. We’re borrowing money from China who in turn sends us lead based toys & toxic baby formula & refuses to reign in N. Korea, & from countries that jack up the price of oil for you & me while ships are dumping it out in the ocean. They have us over a barrel, so to speak.
While I’m at it, the economic stimulus bill had nothing to do with the economy or stimulus. It made the economy worse. DC raised the minimum wage during the worse economic crisis in decades. Remember Econ 101? The people who are suffering the most from lack of health care is the middle class, average American taxpayers with pre-existing conditions. Rich people can buy health insurance. Poor people & illegals can go to emergency rooms & be hospitalized for free.
If the govt would just STOP, we would be better off. Stop the spending, stop the borrowing, stop printing, stop passing bills, stop the pork. Just go home for a few months & let the economy recover.
Allow companies to start hiring again so more people will have health care.

Linda

October 27th, 2009
6:57 pm

Kyle, I don’t mean to be disprectful, but Mr. Axelfraud’s writings are almost as good as yours. Don’t censor him. I just had my husband come down here to read some of this stuff & he was rolling in the floor, & since it’s my husband’s birthday, let’s allow Mr. Axelfraud to continue. Also, I think Mr. Axelfraud is kin to Neal Borsch. Doesn’t he sound like at least his third cousin? Neal gets paid for this kind of fun. Mr. Axelfraud has 2 college degrees. I don’t know if they were 2 different colleges or which one or ones they were, but he sounds smart enough to be a Conservative, maybe even a 3 o-clock one, you know, on a clock, that’s as far right as you can get. (I’m about 2 o’clock.) Thanks for your consideration for my request (& birthday boy).

Linda

October 27th, 2009
7:01 pm

Mr. Axelfraud, you hurt my feelings. I addressed you at 5:15 & you didn’t respond. It doesn’t take a rocket mind to understand my post.

Peace Lover

October 27th, 2009
7:09 pm

Educating the masses is feared by those in power! If I’m educated and I am enlighten then no politician or leader can make me do what I don’t want to do.

We are an enlighten people. We have institutions of higher learning on every corner but yet when it comes to politics, we lose all sensibility.

We would never believe a lying, cheating, swindling person if they came to our door selling snake oil, but put a necktie on a person, call him a Harvard grad and we will believe anything he dishes out. That goes for Republican and\or Democrats.

People, stop your arguing, stop acting like you live in a third world nation and unite to take back the government. “We the people” Remember those word?

Knowledge is power!!!

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
7:24 pm

Linda, thanks. It’s always funny to play games with liberals.

Churchill's MOM

October 27th, 2009
7:28 pm

Wingboy.. looks like you have been over run by “Axelfraud”, better luck tomorrow.

Linda

October 27th, 2009
7:48 pm

Dear Peach Lover, If you think no politician can make you do what you don’t want to do, just wait until this DC bunch passes cap & trade & try to sell your house without bringing it up to their energy-efficient standards.
What gets me the most are seemingly intelligent people who buy organic foods & toxic “green” light bulbs & who believe politicians can alter the climate.

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
7:49 pm

Linda, actually………I am kin to the late William F. Buckley.

Peace Lover

October 27th, 2009
8:35 pm

Linda,

Who said “How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.”? for this reason, multitudes will be deceived and never know it.

Don’t look on the surface for true meaning. Why do our leader want socialize health care? It’s not the health care, the answer lies beneath surface.

Never think that politicians are concerned about your well being when they allow millions to die daily by illegal imported drugs and then stand up to say they have declared war on drugs. The truth lies beneath the surface.

Our biggest fear should not be cap & trade, health care, climate or the economy but rather the politicians!!

Ask your elected officials to stop the “war” in Iraq and Afghan. Stop killing our young men and women!!! Bring them home!!

artatlarge

October 27th, 2009
8:42 pm

D.A.
If you are a model conservative, I’ll be a liberal all my life.

wrf

October 27th, 2009
8:52 pm

So Kyle, you still offer no solution. However you did limit the fear element to only one use of “scare”. Maybe there is hope for you yet. Keep trying.

Orangelo Moulde

October 27th, 2009
8:56 pm

You’re a great American…you’re a great American…you’re a great American…you’re a great American…you’re a great American…you’re a great American…you’re a great American…you’re a great American…you’re a great American…you’re a great American…you’re a great American…you’re a great American…you’re a great American…you’re a great American…you’re a great American

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
8:59 pm

artatlarge, fine with me comrade. No skin off my back!

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
9:01 pm

wrf, there is an alternative. It’s called tort reform and state competition.

Also, I love when President Obama says that hundreds of thousands of Americans are losing their health insurance.

Well………they would not be losing their health insurance if they THEY WERE NOT LOSING THEIR JOBS!!!!!!!!!

David Axelfraud

October 27th, 2009
9:12 pm

Linda, I did not mean to ignore your post. I was too busy responding to some other lame comments from two bloggers who were busy lying to Kyle. Anyway, I wanted to write that famous Gump line but never got around to it. Anyway, thanks for writing to Kyle about my comments. Kyle should take a look at some of the rhetoric written over on Bookmans blog.

Linda

October 27th, 2009
9:47 pm

Mr. Axelfraud, We are lucky ducks to have neat relatives. I thank God every other day, at least, that I ain’t kin to that Chuck fellow from NY, that dufus from Mass. or that Reidy guy from Nev. I would put myself up for adoption if any of these senators showed up at one of our family gatherings.

Linda

October 27th, 2009
10:31 pm

Peace Lover, I agree with you except for stopping the wars. One of the major differences between liberals & conservatives is peace thru appeasement vrs. peace thru strength. Radical muslims have been attacking & killing Americans since the ’70’s. Appeasement has not worked & never will. We all knew they wanted to blow up the World Trade Center because they had ALREADY tried in ‘93. It was just a matter of time before they tried again, which they did & succeeded. Our pres. & congress at the time declared a war on terrorism. Mistakes have been made & the strategy has become political, especially this year, even with the ban of calling it a war on terrorism which it still is.
Let me ask you this. If Islam terrorists from the Middle East had been killing Americans, especially servicemen & women, for 30 yrs. all over the Middle East & then came to the US & killed over 3000 more, what would you do? Is bringing our troops home the answer? Wouldn’t you sit down & try to analyze their motive & how to change it?
I don’t know the answers to the problems in the Middle East but it’s possible that bringing peace to Iraq, one of its largest countries & one with the most potential, surrounded by oppressed countries, could set an example & turn around the entire region.
Our military is comprised of volunteers, brave men & women who are fighting & dying for the freedoms our Constitution represents. They don’t WANT to come home without accomplishing their mission. Right now they don’t even know what their mission is.

StJ

October 27th, 2009
10:35 pm

The “public option” will NEVER die…even if it was completely removed from the current bill tomorrow. Once the government gets their proverbial foot in the hospital door, they will continue to find “injustices” and pass health care “remedies” until they have complete control.

Once they have control, freedom in this country will be nothing but a memory. After all, who is going to vote or speak out against the people in power when those same people have the authority to make your healthcare decisions…including whether you live or die (and how much you will suffer in the process).

Orangelo Moulde

October 28th, 2009
12:16 am

ANSWER: The US Constitution.

Though some problems and shortcomings may exist, recipients under Canadian, British, US Medicare, US Veteran’s Healtcare and other govt healthcare programs like it and would never give it up. They would all argure that they are entitled to it. Of course no one is going to pick a fight with veterans or the elderly so “govt run health care is bad” falls flat. The truth is some people hate all entitlements and they will be darned if they are going to sit back and allow another, probably the biggest ever, to be created. To them entitlements are just socialist redistributions of wealth from the most productive to the least productive. The problem is that under the Constitution, the least productive get the same vote as the most productive. Why stop at secession threats? Viva la revolution!

Tea

October 28th, 2009
7:27 am

America spends many times over what other industrialized countries spend on health care per capita. Our current health care system is bloated and inefficiant to the point of absurdity. The only way to create sustainable health care reform is to spend less money on it, less money that we currently do. Under such a reform plan, there will be less profit. Some business will fail. Others will be less profitable. Meaningful reform is the last thing “the health care industry” wants. The only chance of sustainable, meaningful reform is through a public option. That’s why, regardless of the fearmongering and propaganda to the contrary masquerading as “pro free enterprize”, the public option has not gone away.

Shawny

October 28th, 2009
8:16 am

States wouldn’t opt out. That fact that there is even an opt out clause is a ruse. It is to confuse those that aren’t really paying attention. It is sleight of hand. And Pelosi rebranding it doesn’t make it less of a govt ran healthcare.
Do not be fooled.

Anita Mao Dunn

October 28th, 2009
8:36 am

Go Joe Lieberman !!

Death to government run healthcare !!

Harry Reid knows the voters of Nevada are furious and going to replace him in the next election.

Ayn Rand Was Right

October 28th, 2009
8:41 am

Users like free plans…providers do not. Medicare recipients on the whole really like their plans. Doctors do not. Why, you may ask. Because doctors on the whole are paid 40 cents on the dollar for Medicare filings. Not because Medicare does not provide a fair payment structure, but because they refuse to pay…regularly. If a doctor hires a consultant (read: former employee of The System), he or she may receive around 70 cents on the dollar.

If all the programs are “free” – by this I don’t mean just in costs, but no restrictions such as the ability to buy insurance once you are sick — the quality doctors will leave their practices like rats from a flood. People who spent the first 1/2 of their lives being trained and excelling against the best of the best, will not work for free. Enjoy your online degreed medical care.

Road Scholar

October 28th, 2009
9:06 am

Did Afraud run out of meth?

saywhat?

October 28th, 2009
9:19 am

Linda wrote “There’s no way private health care co’s can compete with gov-run health care. Businesses can’t compete with govt., non-profits & charities.”
Why is it then that despite free public education, there are thriving private schools throughout the country? Why is it that Federal Express, UPS, DHL, etc all exist despite the US Postal service? Most importantly, why do you care if private health insurance companies exist, if they prove to be obsolete or unable to compete? Are you shedding tears over the horse and buggie industry, the type writer industry, the companies that made ditto machines too?

saywhat?

October 28th, 2009
9:24 am

Ayn Rand was right wrote “Users like free plans…providers do not. Medicare recipients on the whole really like their plans. Doctors do not. Why, you may ask. Because doctors on the whole are paid 40 cents on the dollar for Medicare filings. Not because Medicare does not provide a fair payment structure, but because they refuse to pay…regularly. If a doctor hires a consultant (read: former employee of The System), he or she may receive around 70 cents on the dollar.”

but forgets to mention private insurance companies do the same thing, but more frequently and with less cause. Then, they rescind people from their rolls whom they determine might cost them more in benefits than they bring in premiums. Does Medicare do that?

Ayn Rand Was Right

October 28th, 2009
9:39 am

Good point saywhat? however, with private companies there is recourse via the BBB or the Insurance Commission. Ask any doctor who has filed a complaint with their elected representatives against Medicare/Medicaid how that worked out for them.

Ayn Rand Was Right

October 28th, 2009
9:41 am

And yes, saywhat? Medicare does…they don’t rescind the patient from care, they simply rescind the payments to the providers. In a big city, no problem for some time, in a small town…BIG PROBLEM.

David Axelfraud

October 28th, 2009
10:01 am

Road Scholar, meth? I’m not a trailer trash baby like you and Stupid.

David Axelfraud

October 28th, 2009
10:02 am

The Godfather speaks. VDH

All Falling Down . . .

Obama’s mega-borrowing is predicated on a rather thin margin of safety. We can service nearly $2 trillion in additional debt this year—on top the of the existing $11 trillion—only because interest rates are so low.

But as a veteran of the near usury of the 1970s and early 1980s, I see no reason why interest rates won’t shoot up to 10% once the economy recovers and the U.S. has to convince lenders to buy our paper in an inflationary spiral. In other words, we could fork out each year about $150-200 billion in interest costs on our annual red ink, in addition to paying annually another trillion dollars to service the existing debt. (We forget that many of us young people in the 1970s and 1980s simply never bought anything new due to high interest: my first new car was not purchased until 1989 when interest was only 7.2% on it; my parents bought a small condo in 1980 for the unbelievably low rate of 8.8%, due only to redevelopment incentives in a bad neighborhood of Fresno. Inflation will be back, even in this quite different age of globalized competition and low wages.)

When Obama talks of a trillion here for health care, a trillion there for cap-and-trade, it has a chilling effect. Does he include the cost of interest? Where will the money came from? Who will pay the interest? Has he ever experienced the wages of such borrowing in his own life? Did he cut-back and save for his college or law school tuition, with part-time jobs? Did he ever run a business and see how hard it was to be $200 ahead at day’s end?

http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/allfallingdown/

Road Scholar

October 28th, 2009
10:06 am

Afraud: Wow, that hurt. Do you feel better now? Wow, a whole hour between posts! Ooops! Your verbal diareaha is back!

Linda

October 28th, 2009
1:04 pm

Saywhat, the reason we have private schools is because the government is inefficient & ineffective in almost everything it does. Private schools are considered to be superior in quality of education. Only rich & moderate-income people can afford them & receive no tax rebates. Only 11% of our children attend them.

The post office & the 3 carriers you mentioned are not in the same category. Since DHL, FedX & UPS don’t deliver our mail door to door, they are able to make a profit as global delivery companies. They are also more efficient & effective than the PO. The PO doesn’t even have its own aircraft. Although the PO has started to pick up packages, pickups are made only during normal mail delivery. Prior to that, customers had to wait in line at the PO. The delivery workers at the private companies are paid under an incentive program & don’t close their windows when it’s time for a break. DHL stopped all their domestic shipments 1/09 & laid off thousands of workers.

If there is socialized health care, there will still be a few private health care workers since the legislature, unions & federal employees will probably be exempt, allowing for the rich to also patronize them.

I think we should all care about our fellow Americans being able to keep their jobs. It’s sad when anyone looses a job, worse when a business goes under & devastating to our economy when almost an entire industry shuts down, especially when it’s replaced with more govt. bureaucracy. Personally I believe in capitalism & took an oath in my profession to preserve the free enterprise system.

PS The PO still uses typewriters & ditto machines but thankfully gave up the horse & buggies.

Public Awareness

November 4th, 2009
1:06 am

The opt-in plan is essentially how Canada did it. Following the success of the first universal health care plan in one of the provinces, the federal government offered to pay half of the cost (in a block grant) to any province putting together a plan for universal health care. Note that the federal government does not provide the plan itself, only the funding, leaving it up to the provinces to run their respective plans as they see fit.

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