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[...] Health care: Which is the real party of no? [...]

By: BlueDemKev

BlueDemKev — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:23:11 +0000

Kyle,

If the Republicans truly want to reform health care, why didn’t they do anything meaningful during the 12 years they controlled Congress?

Conservative Republicans want NO reform. They are bent on maintaining the status quo because they find it “immoral” that a millionaire should pay a ONE (1) percent surtax so others less fortunate can actually seek medical care without going bankrupt.

By: Michael Honohan

Michael Honohan — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:28:12 +0000

I can’t seem to pound this point hard enough. (There is should be a law requiring one to read the Federalist Papers) Our system was set up to levy taxes and use those taxes for the advantage of the American People. Marx’ socialism did not exist back then, only the words of John the Baptists. Our founders where not afraid of the concept of society working together via a government of the people. Like Lincoln said, By, of and FOR the people. What the hell do you think “For” meant?

By: Hillbilly Deluxe

Hillbilly Deluxe — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:14:29 +0000

Living in an REA co-op area and having worked for one several years, I should point out that they were Federally subsidized and they still get subsidized loans..

By: Jimmy62

Jimmy62 — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:06:12 +0000

Let me explain the insurance across state lines thing. States do have individual regulations. And that’s fine, except that those regulations clearly inhibit interstate commerce. If I can’t buy something from another state because of a state regulation, then Congress has the Constitutionally-granted power (interstate commerce clause, and for once a very legitimate use in my view) to knock down those regulations. And they should. Kentucky, for instance, has a health plan that includes ONLY catastrophic coverage. I’d have to pay for checkups and minor illnesses out of pocket, and be covered for if I get cancer or something. That’s how insurance is supposed to work, if you go by the definition of it, you insure against unexpected disaster, not routine things like a cold. But I live in Georgia, and Georgia has regulations that both prevent me from buying that plan in Kentucky, and prevent anyone from offering a similar plan in Georgia. And that’s wrong. Fix that and a lot of things change. People will be forced to educate themselves, and eventually plans will be offered all over that have what people want and need, not what governments and insurance companies think they need.

And why haven’t we all heard more about the many great ideas being offered from the right? Because the media doesn’t want to cover them, or talk about them. It goes directly against their narrative of the party of no and all that BS.

As for the last 8 years, plenty of us have whined plenty about Bush and his spending and his abandoning of fiscally conservative principles. But that doesn’t mean we think a community organizer with former and fairly recent ties to socialist groups (undeniable, that’s what the New Party is) is going to suddenly be even better for fiscal conservatives than Bush was.

By: bob

bob — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:10:09 +0000

down the middle, you think Social Security is something to brag about ? Look at your annual SS statement, this is what it says on page 1, ” Social Security is a compact between generations. For decades, America has kept the promise of security for it’s workers and their families. Now, however, the Social Security system is facing serious financial problems, and action is needed soon to make sure the system will be sound when today’s younger workers are ready for retirement.
In 2017 we will begin paying more in benefits than we collect in taxes. Without changes, by 2041 the Social Security trust fund will be exhausted and there will be enough money to pay only about 78 cents for each dollar of scheduled benefits.

You want these guys running healthcare ? Could you tell us what the SS commisioner meant when he said the trust fund will be exhausted ? The gov has no trust fund, the SS money has been part of the general budget since LBJ. Gov cannot even run a Ponzi scheme !

By: bob

bob — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:56:55 +0000

leftwing, comparing liability auto insurance to gov mandated healthcare is pretty weak. Letting gov take over that big of an industry should be based on a stronger argument than that.

By: Michael H. Smith

Michael H. Smith — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:55:16 +0000

This country is about to have a big debate on the role of government. The polarizers on cable TV think it’s going to be a debate between socialism and free-market purism. But it’s really going to be a debate about how to promote innovation.

Yeah, okay. The big debate has already been going on for some time, there really is no “about to” in the equation and the polarizers are not limited to cable TV, radio or newsprint. In fact, Congress seems to do a better than fair job of dividing the country into extremes as though no one has noticed and Obumer is no blessed peace maker for all his talk of extending olive branches. The “about how to” really is between socialism – insert fettered capitalism – and free-market purism a.k.a. laissez-faire liberalism, more so than the quintessential innovation – should we ever actually find “innovation” once again in America – which will define the role of government.

Oh but did you notice Kyle that all the comments which have been made up until now have been the proverbial “either”, “or”, and nothing else?

It makes the mind wonder how some rural communities ever got electricity without a Big Socialist Government PUBLIC OPTION when those greedy electric companies wouldn’t provide service to those customers at an affordable price?

Ooooo, whadya know, they just use some old fashion “i-n-n-o-v-a-t-i-o-n” and formed their own COOPERATIVE electric company to fill in the gap that existed between the government and the private sector to get their own electricity at a price they could afford.

Smiles for miles.

By: Michael Honohan

Michael Honohan — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:42:45 +0000

I can answer this question! The Republicrats. I am amazed as the debate where both Republicans and Democrats each think their party is on track and has all the answers and the other side is completely wrong! Fact of the matter is nothing coming out of the Congress on health care bears any resemblence to reform of the system other than what is good for the insurance industry. Even a “public option” would in the end likely be “administered by insurance companies – as soons as Republicans got in power the first thing they would do with any public option would be to privitize it.

And who really believes “subsidizing” insurance premiums is in any way going to cost taxpayers less money? Via indigent care payments to hospitals, taxpayers are already paying the “free enterprise system” 5 to 10 times as much as they would if sensible publicly funded, community based clinic system was put into place using those same funds.

So you partisan hacks (who combined represent a minority of voting eligible citizens, keep arguing about it. The blind aruging with the stupid.

Speaking of stupid, someone really needs to shine some reality with so-called conservatives – those of the Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck crowd.

1) You do not represent the majority. The majority of us are socially liberal/fiscally conservative. You think you believe what we do, but you don’t really know anything about such matters.

2) You do not even represent those numbers Rush and Beck get. Turns out many of those numbers are not “followers”, they are people from the middle and the left who think those guys are hilarious. Truth is Glen Beck is a bafoon and he knows it. If you turn off Fox News and look at his books, you will find its all a joke to him. He loves to print the bad reviews on the dust jacket! He is laughing at you all the way to the bank!

3) No one really cares what you believe except for Democrats who are too stupid to realize they are in complete power now. I don’t know who is dumber between you two! Wost Independents believe in small government, lower taxes, balanced budgets, strong defense. But you retards let Bush and the Republicans deliver nothing. The previous 8 years were nothing but corrutption and incompetence. We didn’t elect Obama because he is black, or because the media made him into a Rock Star, we voted him in because we couldn’t possibly stomach 4 more years of a Republicans in the White House. Now you are all crying as if Obama has been in office for 8 years and created this mess.

Oh, rest assured between Obmama’s irrational fear of what Republicans say about him and the the fact that your party let Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid take over (of course the GOP saw the mess was coming, good time to bail.) Those two will happily lead us down the continued path of self descruction and self-loathing. In the meantime, instead of looking to intellectual talent in your party, you still embrace the buffoons who have driven your party into its marginal state. Despite all their blathering, you could not stop McCain from getting nominated. Then instead of getting someone smart like Romney on the ticket, you threw a tantrum that you would stay home from the polls until they put the cream puff Palin on the ticket. Sure she “saved” millions of votes, but the real electors, my fellow independents ran to the other camp quick. Better an intelligent liberal than a semi-literate conservative.

4) Lets not forget the real reasons your ilk opposes health care. While every politcian’s argument against it has been debunked, the opinions of the right-wing masses make it very clear. No matter what Jesus said in the Bible most of you claim you read and believe in (Ha!), you would rather see your neighbor die than spend an extra dime to help him. So many of you have said as much publicly over and over again: “Not my Tax Dollars!”

Do you partisan hacks EVER read the crap you post and see how stupid it all is?

By: Kevin

Kevin — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:47:53 +0000

Health care is not an insurance market friendly business. Insurers make their money by investing the surplus they have after covering the costs of care for their customers. So here comes the million dollar question…how do I make money on someone who has chronic health issues and no money to pay for the care they need? Put simply, you cannot. So there is no incentive for an insurance company to take care of that person. Hence we have the idea of a public option whose sole purpose is not to make profit, but to provide a service. The idea of government involvement is to provide those services for which there is a social need, but for which there not a competitive market. And for those who would say that we have no control over government, last time I looked this was a representative democracy where everybody has the right to vote.