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	<title>Comments on: Moving past our summer of incivility</title>
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		<title>By: Michael H. Smith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/09/18/moving-past-our-summer-of-incivility/comment-page-1/#comment-986</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael H. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting pretty bad when you have to slant the slant by calling it intelligent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting pretty bad when you have to slant the slant by calling it intelligent.</p>
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		<title>By: ByteMe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/09/18/moving-past-our-summer-of-incivility/comment-page-1/#comment-960</link>
		<dc:creator>ByteMe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle,

Good posting.

To you and Michael H (above), did you see this over the weekend: &lt;a href=&quot;http://video.pbs.org/video/1266848366&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is Conservatism Dead?&lt;/a&gt;

It&#039;s a Bill Moyers interview that you might find interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle,</p>
<p>Good posting.</p>
<p>To you and Michael H (above), did you see this over the weekend: <a href="http://video.pbs.org/video/1266848366" rel="nofollow">Is Conservatism Dead?</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a Bill Moyers interview that you might find interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Ayn Rand Was Right</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/09/18/moving-past-our-summer-of-incivility/comment-page-1/#comment-958</link>
		<dc:creator>Ayn Rand Was Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter - where are your diatribes on no war when Obama is about to sacrifice thousands of men in Afghanistan by sitting on his hands.  Why do you not demand he bring them home?  I am just curious, as I cannot remember a post you made before the election without your &quot;no war&quot; mantra.  Now that your guy is in, you are suspiciously quiet.  Either pull the trigger or bring our boys home from the drug war Mr. President!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter &#8211; where are your diatribes on no war when Obama is about to sacrifice thousands of men in Afghanistan by sitting on his hands.  Why do you not demand he bring them home?  I am just curious, as I cannot remember a post you made before the election without your &#8220;no war&#8221; mantra.  Now that your guy is in, you are suspiciously quiet.  Either pull the trigger or bring our boys home from the drug war Mr. President!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/09/18/moving-past-our-summer-of-incivility/comment-page-1/#comment-957</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It starts at the Top Kyle.....like when Bush sat on his Ranch in Texas while a whole city was under water........He didn&#039;t care.......his leadership showed.

When the Boys and Girls Clubs of America have their funding cut, after school programs get cut, and kids have no place to go.......but on the streets !

It starts here in Georgia at the top..........when a fish farm is more important than things like reservoirs, a mass transit system that works, and education.

More people will be coming un-glued, not just the wealthy !

Yes we are splitting apart............thank the leadership !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It starts at the Top Kyle&#8230;..like when Bush sat on his Ranch in Texas while a whole city was under water&#8230;&#8230;..He didn&#8217;t care&#8230;&#8230;.his leadership showed.</p>
<p>When the Boys and Girls Clubs of America have their funding cut, after school programs get cut, and kids have no place to go&#8230;&#8230;.but on the streets !</p>
<p>It starts here in Georgia at the top&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.when a fish farm is more important than things like reservoirs, a mass transit system that works, and education.</p>
<p>More people will be coming un-glued, not just the wealthy !</p>
<p>Yes we are splitting apart&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;thank the leadership !</p>
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		<title>By: David Axelfraud</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/09/18/moving-past-our-summer-of-incivility/comment-page-1/#comment-955</link>
		<dc:creator>David Axelfraud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Honohan, I agree that Sarah Palin is not an intellectual heavyweight. But so what, Reagan wasn&#039;t either. Neither was Lincoln. The intellectuals seem to always be the worst presidents ie: Obama. He was supposed to be the smartest president ever and the guy is a walking talking disaster. If he is the best Harvard has to offer I would hate to see the worst.

Now, what conservatives would you like to see run for president?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Honohan, I agree that Sarah Palin is not an intellectual heavyweight. But so what, Reagan wasn&#8217;t either. Neither was Lincoln. The intellectuals seem to always be the worst presidents ie: Obama. He was supposed to be the smartest president ever and the guy is a walking talking disaster. If he is the best Harvard has to offer I would hate to see the worst.</p>
<p>Now, what conservatives would you like to see run for president?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Honohan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/09/18/moving-past-our-summer-of-incivility/comment-page-1/#comment-954</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Honohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;People can hide behind anonymity and call each other names&quot;

Not this person. Any regular reader of the AJC letters section as well as the Editorial staff can attest that my posting name is the real me. I do not believe in anonymous speech. If you have something to say, you should be willing to stand up for it. I consider anonymous posters to be cowards. And who can take you seriously?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;People can hide behind anonymity and call each other names&#8221;</p>
<p>Not this person. Any regular reader of the AJC letters section as well as the Editorial staff can attest that my posting name is the real me. I do not believe in anonymous speech. If you have something to say, you should be willing to stand up for it. I consider anonymous posters to be cowards. And who can take you seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Honohan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/09/18/moving-past-our-summer-of-incivility/comment-page-1/#comment-953</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Honohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is pretty easy to be civil when the discourse is between intelligent and informed people on either side. In fact, if you watch Bill Maher, he brings on smart people from both sides and the never call each other names. What gets people riled up is when their opposition spends their time just making stuff up. The Right does that in spades these days. Ok, I will contend that there was a time in America when the Left invented things to gather the tribes together. No political outfit has ever been succesful without some propaganda. But today, the source and motivation are not politic. The entertainment business is the source and ratings is the motivition. The difference between the left and the right is the left seems to know when Jon Stewart and Bill Mahar are joking. The right thinks Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh are actually hard news people to take seriously all the time. They literally make things up to say just to be outrageous. The sad thing about their mindless minions is that they the phenomenal ratings of these clowns is because all these Americans agree with them. How suprised they would be if they could ever grasp the fact the many people watch them just to laugh a the buffoonery! Comedian Davis Cross can&#039;t get enough of it. 

But as should be obvious to any perceptive individual who has read my posts or my letter to the editor, I don&#039;t find any of this amusing. One of the more annoying thing about obtuseness of the right is that they accuse anyone of who doesn&#039;t buy into the misinformation of being a liberal or a lefty or a socialist. Realy good way to keep the opposition togther! Fight against the other people who lean toward the right. 

I cannot be pigeon-hold into one box or the other, but I am one of these people described as socially liberal and fiscally conservative. The march two weekends ago on Washington was largely an expression of the latter part of that ethos. People are tired of the fiscal irresponsibilty of our government. Contrary to what the partisans wanted to display, this was not an anti-Obama demonstration. As one commentator put it, &quot;this has been brewing for years and Obama just brought to a boil.&quot; 

I see two reasons why the Republican Party ranks have been decimated. The first is the lunacy, hate, and disinformation that &quot;conservative media&quot; has stirred up making moderates uncomfortable with the association. The second was absolute abandonment of fiscally conservative principle by the Republicans after they gained power. 

Once upon a time, the Republican Party was the Party of Big Business. The fact is that despite all the greed and outright evil practices, big business is a big part of what built American into the great nation we are. So even if you didn&#039;t like them, you could respect that stood up for what they stood for. Today, the Democrats are the party of Big Business as much as the Republicans. All the Republicans had left was the promise of limited and responsible goverment. When they did nothing about that, the rest of us walked out. And we know who remain. 

But I strongly support the return of conservatives to Congress. The liberals may provide the social agenda we desire, but at what cost? We require a strong opposition to limit the scope. But the conservative have to be smart, factual, and ready to fight for the American People, not for the ratings at Fox News. {You don&#039;t need to worry about Rupert Murdock, the liberal, Atheist druggies he employs over at the Fox Entertainment, along the naked boobs he prints in the Sun - such a moral man!, will keep his wallet fat.

So I plead again. Stop the nonsense. Drop the cries of Socialism, Obama being a foreign born Muslim, and the death panels. Stop telling us Sarah Palin is the best choice of 300,000,000 Americans to be the next president. Start looking to conservative intellectuals for cues instead of relying on TV and radio entertainers. That will accomplish 2 things. One, it will return people to the support of conservatives as we did in the 80&#039;s and 90&#039;s. Second, we can then rationally debate the issues with respect and decorum and I feel the need to call people names.

Footnote: for those here who are convinced I must be liberal because of my continual criticism here, rest assured I take the Left to task when I communicate with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is pretty easy to be civil when the discourse is between intelligent and informed people on either side. In fact, if you watch Bill Maher, he brings on smart people from both sides and the never call each other names. What gets people riled up is when their opposition spends their time just making stuff up. The Right does that in spades these days. Ok, I will contend that there was a time in America when the Left invented things to gather the tribes together. No political outfit has ever been succesful without some propaganda. But today, the source and motivation are not politic. The entertainment business is the source and ratings is the motivition. The difference between the left and the right is the left seems to know when Jon Stewart and Bill Mahar are joking. The right thinks Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh are actually hard news people to take seriously all the time. They literally make things up to say just to be outrageous. The sad thing about their mindless minions is that they the phenomenal ratings of these clowns is because all these Americans agree with them. How suprised they would be if they could ever grasp the fact the many people watch them just to laugh a the buffoonery! Comedian Davis Cross can&#8217;t get enough of it. </p>
<p>But as should be obvious to any perceptive individual who has read my posts or my letter to the editor, I don&#8217;t find any of this amusing. One of the more annoying thing about obtuseness of the right is that they accuse anyone of who doesn&#8217;t buy into the misinformation of being a liberal or a lefty or a socialist. Realy good way to keep the opposition togther! Fight against the other people who lean toward the right. </p>
<p>I cannot be pigeon-hold into one box or the other, but I am one of these people described as socially liberal and fiscally conservative. The march two weekends ago on Washington was largely an expression of the latter part of that ethos. People are tired of the fiscal irresponsibilty of our government. Contrary to what the partisans wanted to display, this was not an anti-Obama demonstration. As one commentator put it, &#8220;this has been brewing for years and Obama just brought to a boil.&#8221; </p>
<p>I see two reasons why the Republican Party ranks have been decimated. The first is the lunacy, hate, and disinformation that &#8220;conservative media&#8221; has stirred up making moderates uncomfortable with the association. The second was absolute abandonment of fiscally conservative principle by the Republicans after they gained power. </p>
<p>Once upon a time, the Republican Party was the Party of Big Business. The fact is that despite all the greed and outright evil practices, big business is a big part of what built American into the great nation we are. So even if you didn&#8217;t like them, you could respect that stood up for what they stood for. Today, the Democrats are the party of Big Business as much as the Republicans. All the Republicans had left was the promise of limited and responsible goverment. When they did nothing about that, the rest of us walked out. And we know who remain. </p>
<p>But I strongly support the return of conservatives to Congress. The liberals may provide the social agenda we desire, but at what cost? We require a strong opposition to limit the scope. But the conservative have to be smart, factual, and ready to fight for the American People, not for the ratings at Fox News. {You don&#8217;t need to worry about Rupert Murdock, the liberal, Atheist druggies he employs over at the Fox Entertainment, along the naked boobs he prints in the Sun &#8211; such a moral man!, will keep his wallet fat.</p>
<p>So I plead again. Stop the nonsense. Drop the cries of Socialism, Obama being a foreign born Muslim, and the death panels. Stop telling us Sarah Palin is the best choice of 300,000,000 Americans to be the next president. Start looking to conservative intellectuals for cues instead of relying on TV and radio entertainers. That will accomplish 2 things. One, it will return people to the support of conservatives as we did in the 80&#8217;s and 90&#8217;s. Second, we can then rationally debate the issues with respect and decorum and I feel the need to call people names.</p>
<p>Footnote: for those here who are convinced I must be liberal because of my continual criticism here, rest assured I take the Left to task when I communicate with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael H. Smith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/09/18/moving-past-our-summer-of-incivility/comment-page-1/#comment-952</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael H. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful decorum for a change.  Let&#039;s see how long it last. 

Oh about as long as it take for someone to get the better end of a debate, discussion or impassioned issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful decorum for a change.  Let&#8217;s see how long it last. </p>
<p>Oh about as long as it take for someone to get the better end of a debate, discussion or impassioned issue?</p>
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		<title>By: David Axelfraud</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/09/18/moving-past-our-summer-of-incivility/comment-page-1/#comment-951</link>
		<dc:creator>David Axelfraud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction Kyle: WERE the &quot;death panel&quot; charges wrong?</description>
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		<title>By: David Axelfraud</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/09/18/moving-past-our-summer-of-incivility/comment-page-1/#comment-950</link>
		<dc:creator>David Axelfraud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle, good column. Not great but good. Anyway, I have a question. 

Where the &quot;death panel&quot; charges wrong from conservatives like Sarah Palin?

Especially since Newsweek is making an argument for killing old people.

The Case for Killing Granny

http://www.newsweek.com/id/215291</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle, good column. Not great but good. Anyway, I have a question. </p>
<p>Where the &#8220;death panel&#8221; charges wrong from conservatives like Sarah Palin?</p>
<p>Especially since Newsweek is making an argument for killing old people.</p>
<p>The Case for Killing Granny</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/215291" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsweek.com/id/215291</a></p>
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