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		<title>By: birdbrain &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Russia And South Korea</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/08/26/probe-shows-911-is-sadly-forgotten/comment-page-1/#comment-31923</link>
		<dc:creator>birdbrain &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Russia And South Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 04:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] national security threats. The Anointed One, the Idiot-in-Chief (i.e., Barack Hussein Obama) is prosecuting the CIA and ending the war on terror. And yes, I do think that &#8220;war on terror&#8221; is a stupid [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] national security threats. The Anointed One, the Idiot-in-Chief (i.e., Barack Hussein Obama) is prosecuting the CIA and ending the war on terror. And yes, I do think that &#8220;war on terror&#8221; is a stupid [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dewstarpath</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/08/26/probe-shows-911-is-sadly-forgotten/comment-page-1/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>dewstarpath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CORRECTION: - bipartisan respect from his colleagues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CORRECTION: &#8211; bipartisan respect from his colleagues.</p>
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		<title>By: dewstarpath</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/08/26/probe-shows-911-is-sadly-forgotten/comment-page-1/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>dewstarpath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- K. Wingfield - The 9/11 terrorist attacks will never be forgotten, but it&#039;s 
probably true for some Americans, and you have a right to your opinion. 

 - Howard - Inexcusable. &quot;we were his (Sen. Kennedy) prey...&quot;? What &quot;we&quot; 
are you talking about? A senator who had bipartisan respect form his 
colleagues is compared after he passes to JOHN GOTTI? That may pass 
on your home planet, but on Earth we expect common sense to be used 
by ALL citizens. 
 
- extremerightwing - In order to vote, you should at least know when to use 
capital letters at the beginning of a sentence. 

- Les Miles - I agree completely. Politically-challenged whack jobs (like 
 extremerightwing et al.) don&#039;t understand that if the 4th Amendment were 
 theoretically abolished to chase after &quot;evildoers&quot;, they would have more 
to lose than the average citizen. The average citizen doesn&#039;t stockpile 
large amounts of weapons and explosives or write manifestos calling 
attention to themselves or send mail-bombs to judges, editors and 
CEOs. Maybe that&#039;s because they seek to create the type of police-state 
they claim to abhor in order to protect themselves from &quot;undesirables&quot;,
such as minorities, immigrants, etc. Those who fail to learn from the past 
are doomed to repeat it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- K. Wingfield &#8211; The 9/11 terrorist attacks will never be forgotten, but it&#8217;s<br />
probably true for some Americans, and you have a right to your opinion. </p>
<p> &#8211; Howard &#8211; Inexcusable. &#8220;we were his (Sen. Kennedy) prey&#8230;&#8221;? What &#8220;we&#8221;<br />
are you talking about? A senator who had bipartisan respect form his<br />
colleagues is compared after he passes to JOHN GOTTI? That may pass<br />
on your home planet, but on Earth we expect common sense to be used<br />
by ALL citizens. </p>
<p>- extremerightwing &#8211; In order to vote, you should at least know when to use<br />
capital letters at the beginning of a sentence. </p>
<p>- Les Miles &#8211; I agree completely. Politically-challenged whack jobs (like<br />
 extremerightwing et al.) don&#8217;t understand that if the 4th Amendment were<br />
 theoretically abolished to chase after &#8220;evildoers&#8221;, they would have more<br />
to lose than the average citizen. The average citizen doesn&#8217;t stockpile<br />
large amounts of weapons and explosives or write manifestos calling<br />
attention to themselves or send mail-bombs to judges, editors and<br />
CEOs. Maybe that&#8217;s because they seek to create the type of police-state<br />
they claim to abhor in order to protect themselves from &#8220;undesirables&#8221;,<br />
such as minorities, immigrants, etc. Those who fail to learn from the past<br />
are doomed to repeat it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/08/26/probe-shows-911-is-sadly-forgotten/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job Kyle. Looking forward to you &quot;torturing&quot; the far left with facts and reason. This is gonna be good.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job Kyle. Looking forward to you &#8220;torturing&#8221; the far left with facts and reason. This is gonna be good&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Salzmann</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/08/26/probe-shows-911-is-sadly-forgotten/comment-page-1/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Salzmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kwingfield August 27th, 2009 12:35 pm SAID: Let’s focus less on the headline and more on the issue I was trying to address: That these CIA agents might face prosecution for doing what the nation essentially asked of them at the time (prevent another attack at all costs), and it’s because we’re judging them with a different perspective than they could have had at the time.

CHRIS SAYS: Comments are finally allowed!!!! Hooray! That said, my beef with your reasoning here is that these actions went well beyond 9/11. In fact, many of the torture techniques used, were used 2-3 years later. 

We prosecuted Japanese officers as war criminals after WWII and this type of torture was one of the crimes listed against them. An American soldier was photographed waterboarding a North Vietnamese POW, near Da Nang and the accompanying article described it as a common interrogation technique. Within one month of its publication, that soldier was court-martialled by a US military court and discharged from the military. The excuse &quot;Just following orders&quot; also does not hold any merit. That excuse did not hold any water when we prosecuted and convicted war criminals from Japan and Germany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kwingfield August 27th, 2009 12:35 pm SAID: Let’s focus less on the headline and more on the issue I was trying to address: That these CIA agents might face prosecution for doing what the nation essentially asked of them at the time (prevent another attack at all costs), and it’s because we’re judging them with a different perspective than they could have had at the time.</p>
<p>CHRIS SAYS: Comments are finally allowed!!!! Hooray! That said, my beef with your reasoning here is that these actions went well beyond 9/11. In fact, many of the torture techniques used, were used 2-3 years later. </p>
<p>We prosecuted Japanese officers as war criminals after WWII and this type of torture was one of the crimes listed against them. An American soldier was photographed waterboarding a North Vietnamese POW, near Da Nang and the accompanying article described it as a common interrogation technique. Within one month of its publication, that soldier was court-martialled by a US military court and discharged from the military. The excuse &#8220;Just following orders&#8221; also does not hold any merit. That excuse did not hold any water when we prosecuted and convicted war criminals from Japan and Germany.</p>
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		<title>By: Les Miles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HellinaHandbasket, nobody is forgetting. However courageous Americans are standing up and saying HELL NO it will not be used as an excuse to destroy our Constitution and turn us into a society living under a government that considers us the enemy. I applaud those who are standing against &quot;big brother&quot;  bringing us totally under thumb.  If you want to live in a country where government surveillance is the norm, or &quot;show me your papers&quot; is common, go live in one of those places. Give up your freedom for a little false security. Go on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HellinaHandbasket, nobody is forgetting. However courageous Americans are standing up and saying HELL NO it will not be used as an excuse to destroy our Constitution and turn us into a society living under a government that considers us the enemy. I applaud those who are standing against &#8220;big brother&#8221;  bringing us totally under thumb.  If you want to live in a country where government surveillance is the norm, or &#8220;show me your papers&#8221; is common, go live in one of those places. Give up your freedom for a little false security. Go on.</p>
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		<title>By: Les Miles</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/08/26/probe-shows-911-is-sadly-forgotten/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Les Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BigAl has this nailed. If I lose my job, and my babies are starving, we have no electricity, water, or gas, I don’t believe the judge will find me “not guilty” for armed robbery. He will not look at my circumstances and say I was justified. The judge will find me guilty, and send me to prison. With that said, my heart goes out to the agents for their sacrifice, but as I have heard so often said, “Do the crime do the time”.

If the law is situational, it should be situational across the board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BigAl has this nailed. If I lose my job, and my babies are starving, we have no electricity, water, or gas, I don’t believe the judge will find me “not guilty” for armed robbery. He will not look at my circumstances and say I was justified. The judge will find me guilty, and send me to prison. With that said, my heart goes out to the agents for their sacrifice, but as I have heard so often said, “Do the crime do the time”.</p>
<p>If the law is situational, it should be situational across the board.</p>
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		<title>By: Les Miles</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/08/26/probe-shows-911-is-sadly-forgotten/comment-page-1/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Les Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Kyle. It hasn&#039;t been forgotten. What has happened is that it is no longer allowed to be used as the built in excuse for trampling all over the 4th Amendment and no longer a fast track for those that would turn this country into a police state.  &quot;Those that would give up their freedom for security, deserve neither&quot;.  No truer words have ever been spoken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Kyle. It hasn&#8217;t been forgotten. What has happened is that it is no longer allowed to be used as the built in excuse for trampling all over the 4th Amendment and no longer a fast track for those that would turn this country into a police state.  &#8220;Those that would give up their freedom for security, deserve neither&#8221;.  No truer words have ever been spoken.</p>
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		<title>By: bluerider</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluerider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NYC CAN News Bulletin - FORWARD WIDELY
SILENCING OF NYC VOTERS WILL NOT GO UNCHALLENGED

August 24, 2009

On Monday, August 10, NYC CAN began a comprehensive review of the nearly 26,000 signatures invalidated by the New York City Board of Elections and City Clerk. With 26,003 signatures accepted as valid by the City, at least 3,997 additional signatures were needed to exceed the threshold of 30,000 signatures. 10 days, 50 volunteers and 1,000 man-hours later, we are thrilled to report we have so far discovered 6,924 signatures we will argue were wrongly invalidated. 

In addition, the Court has granted an extension allowing us to complete our review of 6 unfinished volumes. We anticipate having well over 7,000 additional valid signatures once the review is complete. The 50+ individuals who helped conduct the review take great pride in knowing their work has stopped the silencing of 7,000 New York City voters and allowed their voices to be heard.

On Friday, August 28, we must serve a Bill of Particulars listing all signatures we argue should be deemed valid by the Court. Special Referee Louis Crespo will begin a line-by-line review of the disputed signatures on Tuesday, September 8, and is scheduled to complete his review by Friday, September 18. 

Pending the outcome of the Court’s review of the disputed signatures, lawyers for NYC CAN and the City will begin arguing the legality of the petition’s proposed amendment to the City Charter. 

Looking ahead, NYC CAN will submit an additional 28,000 signatures on September 3 to satisfy the requirement of 15,000 valid signatures needed to override the City Council’s failure to act on the petition. The 60-day period for the City Council to approve the referendum’s placement on the ballot ended today, August 24, 2009. If NYC CAN wins in court, the submission of 15,000 more valid signatures will guarantee the referendum’s placement on the ballot.

Legal proceedings are expected to last through the month of September, by which time a favorable determination from the Court is needed in order for the referendum to be placed on this November’s ballot. Over the last 25 years six ballot initiatives have been attempted in New York City. Only one has made it on the ballot: the 1993 initiative to limit New York City elected officials to two terms in office, whose supporters also had to go to court to prove the initiative legal before passage by the voters, and which was nevertheless undone by the City Council last year. We will battle against all odds to see that the initiative to establish a critically needed reinvestigation of 9/11 does not suffer the same fate as past ballot initiatives. 

NYC CAN now calls upon its thousands of members and millions aware of the egregious inadequacy of the 9/11 Commission Report to help ensure our fight for a real investigation does not go unnoticed by the larger public. Nearly 80,000 New Yorkers have put pen to paper to call for the right of all New Yorkers to vote an impartial, independent investigation into existence. This momentous step forward in the quest for truth about September 11th will be looked upon with admiration across the globe. Through the ages those who have fought for justice did not win by backing down when their government said no. We will continue this fight and future efforts with the same determination that has gotten us to where we stand today.

www.NYCCAN.org

Thinkers think and talkers talk. Patriots ACT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NYC CAN News Bulletin &#8211; FORWARD WIDELY<br />
SILENCING OF NYC VOTERS WILL NOT GO UNCHALLENGED</p>
<p>August 24, 2009</p>
<p>On Monday, August 10, NYC CAN began a comprehensive review of the nearly 26,000 signatures invalidated by the New York City Board of Elections and City Clerk. With 26,003 signatures accepted as valid by the City, at least 3,997 additional signatures were needed to exceed the threshold of 30,000 signatures. 10 days, 50 volunteers and 1,000 man-hours later, we are thrilled to report we have so far discovered 6,924 signatures we will argue were wrongly invalidated. </p>
<p>In addition, the Court has granted an extension allowing us to complete our review of 6 unfinished volumes. We anticipate having well over 7,000 additional valid signatures once the review is complete. The 50+ individuals who helped conduct the review take great pride in knowing their work has stopped the silencing of 7,000 New York City voters and allowed their voices to be heard.</p>
<p>On Friday, August 28, we must serve a Bill of Particulars listing all signatures we argue should be deemed valid by the Court. Special Referee Louis Crespo will begin a line-by-line review of the disputed signatures on Tuesday, September 8, and is scheduled to complete his review by Friday, September 18. </p>
<p>Pending the outcome of the Court’s review of the disputed signatures, lawyers for NYC CAN and the City will begin arguing the legality of the petition’s proposed amendment to the City Charter. </p>
<p>Looking ahead, NYC CAN will submit an additional 28,000 signatures on September 3 to satisfy the requirement of 15,000 valid signatures needed to override the City Council’s failure to act on the petition. The 60-day period for the City Council to approve the referendum’s placement on the ballot ended today, August 24, 2009. If NYC CAN wins in court, the submission of 15,000 more valid signatures will guarantee the referendum’s placement on the ballot.</p>
<p>Legal proceedings are expected to last through the month of September, by which time a favorable determination from the Court is needed in order for the referendum to be placed on this November’s ballot. Over the last 25 years six ballot initiatives have been attempted in New York City. Only one has made it on the ballot: the 1993 initiative to limit New York City elected officials to two terms in office, whose supporters also had to go to court to prove the initiative legal before passage by the voters, and which was nevertheless undone by the City Council last year. We will battle against all odds to see that the initiative to establish a critically needed reinvestigation of 9/11 does not suffer the same fate as past ballot initiatives. </p>
<p>NYC CAN now calls upon its thousands of members and millions aware of the egregious inadequacy of the 9/11 Commission Report to help ensure our fight for a real investigation does not go unnoticed by the larger public. Nearly 80,000 New Yorkers have put pen to paper to call for the right of all New Yorkers to vote an impartial, independent investigation into existence. This momentous step forward in the quest for truth about September 11th will be looked upon with admiration across the globe. Through the ages those who have fought for justice did not win by backing down when their government said no. We will continue this fight and future efforts with the same determination that has gotten us to where we stand today.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.NYCCAN.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.NYCCAN.org</a></p>
<p>Thinkers think and talkers talk. Patriots ACT.</p>
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		<title>By: Arnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought this would be of interest to readers. 
 
Since September 2001 I have maintained a free and confidential &quot;9/11 list-serv&quot;. 
 
The &quot;9/11 list-serv&quot; distributes daily e-mails containing newspaper articles and other relevant information re: 9/11 issues of interest to 9/11 families, 9/11 organizations and interested individuals. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought this would be of interest to readers. </p>
<p>Since September 2001 I have maintained a free and confidential &#8220;9/11 list-serv&#8221;. </p>
<p>The &#8220;9/11 list-serv&#8221; distributes daily e-mails containing newspaper articles and other relevant information re: 9/11 issues of interest to 9/11 families, 9/11 organizations and interested individuals. </p>
<p>The 9/11 List-serv archives can be accessed at <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/911-list-serv" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group/911-list-serv</a></p>
<p> If you would like to &#8217;subscribe&#8217; to this free news service &#8211; send an e-mail to <a href="mailto:amkorotkin@aol.com">amkorotkin@aol.com</a> with the word &#8220;subscribe&#8221; in the subject box. </p>
<p>Arnie</p>
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