Fan talk: Is UGA’s McGarity feeding Athens too many cupcakes?

Are cupcake opponents the only reason you see empty seats in Sanford Stadium? Do we need even more seats? (Brant Sanderlin / AJC)

Are cupcake opponents the only reason you see empty seats in Sanford Stadium? Do we need even more seats? (Brant Sanderlin / AJC)

I’m back from a few days off, during which Georgia got a fresh face as a new baseball coach, a familiar face as a new assistant basketball coach, the SEC sports information directors predicted UGA again will win the East, single-game tickets were put on sale for the North Texas and Kentucky games as well as a few single season tickets, the post-spring depth chart showed John Theus still has some work to do, and Mark Richt reminded us that whether Josh Harvey-Clemons played or not, the Dogs were going to start a very inexperienced secondary against Clemson. Oh, and he also let us know that the “Gurshall” nickname is so last year.

Now that we’re up to date, let’s get to some of the Junkyard Mail that has stacked up in my absence …

Don Joel writes: Now, Bill, I know you are a homer and that’s fine. But, please. [Greg] McGarity isn’t sensitive to the needs of Athens. Why? Because scheduling North Texas and Appalachian State means fewer fans show up in Athens for those games. Fewer fans, less in revenue. And that hurts Athens and its merchants. So, have one such game and do a five-star with the other slot. The Tech game means a lot of folks come to see the game that don’t stay in Athens for the weekend. Can you imagine the excitement that a UGA-Michigan home game would engender? [SEC Commissioner Mike] Slive is right about the cupcakes issue and I’ve detested it for years. Only thing it does is insure a meaningless win (we played a bunch of those types in the past years) and create a false impression of how good we really are or aren’t. In addition, it exposes players to injury in a meaningless contest.

Aaron Murray got well playing the likes of Buffalo and Florida Atlantic. And, it was a down year in the Eastern Division, too. The two best teams were SC and UF and we got killed by SC and we won out over Florida. So I’m not as sanguine as most folks, especially the scribes, about our chances in 2013. I’d love to be. We lost a lot of folks from that defense who couldn’t hold an 11-point lead against Bama twice, if memory serves. We’re replacing those guys with lesser lights. And, if Clemson’s offense is as good as the press says (never a reliable source about things like that), then we are headed for big trouble in South Carolina on Aug. 31. My feeling is that this game is a standoff. Clemson’s not as good as advertised. We aren’t, either. Game won or lost on defense.

The Dogs have a pretty loyal following in us homers. We might grumble and, true, some folks tend to skip the games against the lesser opponents with directional names (or give their tickets away to friends or neighbors), so all 92,746 seats aren’t filled. But while exact attendance figures (as opposed to tickets sold) haven’t been released for the cupcake games in Athens, my eyes tell me the stadium is still pretty full on those days, not counting the upper reaches of the student section (which is a problem even for good games). More importantly from an Athens perspective, the parking lots I pass on the way to the stadium are still full (though you do see fewer folks tailgating along Lumpkin for a noonish game) and Athens itself seems pretty busy on even lesser game days. So, I think if you gave the merchants of the Classic City a choice between having any home game, no matter who it is, and having one fewer game in Athens while the Dogs fulfill the second half of a home-and-away deal with a major school, they’d choose Western Whoever in Athens.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see Georgia play a school like Michigan or Texas. Or, really, I’d like to see the Dogs play Clemson more often. But unless Slive gets the conference to mandate tougher nonconference opponents, that’s not going to happen if the SEC goes to nine conference games. And, let’s be honest, just because it’s an SEC opponent doesn’t make it an attractive matchup. I’ve seen empty seats at games against the conference bottom-feeders, though, granted, not as many as at the cupcake games. As for “meaningless” wins, in this day and age, with TV revenue and your better teams jockeying for postseason position, I don’t think any win is ever considered meaningless. And, as McGarity has pointed out in the past, those games help develop depth as the coaches get to empty the benches and give little-used team members more playing time.

As for the 2013 outlook, you’re right that Georgia’s defense lost a lot of folks, but while their replacements are less experienced (no matter who starts, as Mark Richt noted this week), I don’t think it’s fair to characterize them as “lesser lights.” There’s a lot of talent on this team, and if they prove more motivated than last year’s defense, which apparently thought it could coast on its reputation at times, the 2013 defense could turn out to be an improvement. As I’ve said before, I think Clemson will be able to put up points, but so will Georgia. And I tend to like the Dogs in a shootout.

Jim P. writes: Bill, When I read about the financial budgets and projects being doled out every spring from Athletic Association meetings, I often wonder: How about a project to increase the seating capacity of Sanford Stadium to most in the SEC or possibly even the nation? We’re practically at 100,000 now. I admit this would largely be a Bulldog Pride thing. But the additional seats can also serve the new Young Alumni seating program. Plus, more seats, more revenue. I understand it’s tough enough at times to fill seats during the cupcake games. And the current crop of students are helter skelter on attending games. But three points: 1) All the current seats are sold (for the most part) regardless of whether people show up, meaning the market/demand is there. 2) UGA is addressing the students’ lack of attendance through the above mentioned Young Alumni program. 3) It appears to be inevitable the SEC is going to add a ninth conference game. That eliminates one cupcake game and increases ticket demand. Also, there are architectural integrity and design issues to deal with, but they almost always seem to be overcome by the brightest architectural minds. I did want to make clear that I would like this without enclosing the end zone by the bridge. Looking out of that part of stadium is part of its charm and it should never, ever be enclosed. Any thoughts?

It’s true that Georgia was second in the conference last year (after Alabama) in average attendance, with 92,703, and that the decline at Sanford Stadium (from an average of 92,746 in 2008) was much less than the drops suffered by other schools, including Tennessee and Florida. But while Texas A&M plans to add 20,000 seats to its stadium, making it the largest in the conference and third-largest in the country, the Aggies also have 31,000 of their 50,000 students attending their games, so seats are at a premium there. Still, the attendance trend in college football argues against most schools, including Georgia, undertaking a major seating expansion any time soon. And with the SEC so alarmed by dropping attendance that it’s got a group studying how to compete with the comforts of home (where fans have easy access to large-screen TVs, WiFi and cheap food and drink), a case can be made that schools like UGA would be better off revamping their stadiums to have nicer, larger seats (which would mean decreasing the number of seats overall). As MrSEC argued recently, creating “impact” seating, upgrading food and adding in-game apps that can only be used inside the stadium might be the best way to make game day more attractive to fans. They’d probably have to charge more, of course, but I imagine there’d still be plenty of folks willing to pay for a more enjoyable game experience.

A younger fan wants to learn the tangled history between Vince Dooley and Michael Adams. (Associated Press)

A younger fan wants to learn the tangled history between Vince Dooley and Michael Adams. (Associated Press)

Chris Pugh writes: Bill, I’ve been a UGA fan since 2nd grade. I’m only 25 years old, so the whole history I’m not too sure of. I’ve always heard about this feud with [Vince] Dooley and [outgoing UGA President Michael] Adams but I’ve never been able to find out what it was about. I know Dooley wanted some more years as athletic director and didn’t get it, but I wanna know the whole story. I love studying about UGA’s past. Could you please explain it to me or give me a link to something that explains it to me?

Chris, a whole book could be written on the situation between Adams and Dooley — and, in fact, the late Rich Whitt, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, did just that in “Behind the Hedges: Big Money and Power Politics at the University of Georgia,” published in 2009. You can read from it here, but to boil down the Dooley-Adams imbroglio for you, there just wasn’t enough room in the UGA athletics spotlight for the two of them. Adams came to Athens determined to play a very active role in overseeing athletics at UGA, and he did so for better (forcing Dooley to fire Jim Donnan, resulting in the hiring of Richt) and worse (pressuring Dooley to hire the ethically challenged Jim Harrick, resulting in an eventual meltdown of the UGA basketball program). You can read what Dooley wrote about Adams in his book “History and Reminiscences of the University of Georgia” (which you’d probably enjoy in general). Whether you believe Adams was right in wanting to hold Dooley to his previously agreed departure date or that he was an egotistical meddler who couldn’t stand having a strong athletic director, the bottom line is that the transition was handled horribly and hurt the school. It probably cost Adams a shot at being NCAA president, too. Of course, you can’t really judge Adams’ time at UGA solely by the Dooley affair and, much as some Bulldog backers hate to admit it, the president has done a lot of good things for the university. But his handling of the situation with the legendary coach certainly wasn’t one of them.

Other SEC schools don't want to adopt the tough UGA drug policy that saw Josh Harvey-Clemons suspended a game for his first infraction. (University of Georgia)

Other SEC schools don't want to adopt the tough UGA drug policy that saw Josh Harvey-Clemons suspended a game for his first infraction. (University of Georgia)

Jackie Bowers writes: Bill, I was very disappointed by the lack of support among other SEC schools for having a conference-wide policy on how to handle drug use by athletes. But I guess I wasn’t really surprised, since the lax policies some schools operate under (I’m thinking Florida and LSU, in particular) no doubt gives them a competitive advantage over UGA. What do you think it’s going to take to get the playing field leveled on this?

One thing I’m pretty certain of, Jackie: UGA won’t relax its policy. As for the other schools, whether it’s to maintain a competitive advantage or because some athletic directors and presidents really believe the conference shouldn’t be telling individual members how to deal with drug use by athletes, Georgia’s proposal for a uniform conference policy basically garnered no traction at all this year. And I doubt that’s going to change unless Mike Slive either comes around to Greg McGarity’s way of thinking on the issue or, more likely, comes to the conclusion that it would be to the conference’s long-term benefit to have everyone on the same page. Slive can make it happen. If he chooses not to, it probably won’t.

Connor Kelly writes: Hi Bill, Just wanted to bring this exciting news to your attention: The UGA ice hockey team is attempting to do what I long considered impossible: bring an ice rink to Athens. I am a 2010 graduate of UGA, and a rabid football fan. I also played on the club ice hockey team during my days as a student. The team is mostly made up of transplants from the North (I am from Michigan) with a few local Georgia boys as well. The team is quite competitive, and a few current members even had NCAA opportunities but chose to play for Georgia on the HOPE scholarship instead.

The team has actually been around since 1987, and plays in an annual tournament in Savannah called the Savannah Tire Hockey Classic, which is currently the biggest sporting event Savannah hosts every year. UGA, GT, UF and FSU compete in this tournament annually, which is held in the 5,000-seat MLK civic center. We sell it out every year, and Uga is always in attendance as well. The Dawgs are the 2013 defending champs.

The Ice Dogs want a rink closer to Athens. (University of Georgia)

The Ice Dogs want a rink closer to Athens. (University of Georgia)

Home games, however, are not nearly as glamorous. The team currently commutes over 50 miles each way to play in Duluth. Players pay to play, and help offset costs with merchandise sales and fundraisers. Dues typically approach $2,000 per season. The drive is so far, the only fans tend to be parents, with a few students as well. This is why the team has launched a grassroots effort to build an ice rink in Athens. Now, ice rinks are not cheap, but if enough students and Athens residents get behind it, it could become a reality. Here is a link to a survey currently being done to gauge support for an ice rink in Athens. And another for non-Facebook users. Beyond UGA home games, it could be used for public skating, youth hockey and Greek events. Just wanted to see if you could help spread the word to the Bulldog fan base so we can make this a reality. An ice rink would just be another feather in the cap of the already dynamic Classic City. Go Dawgs!

Connor, I wish you and the Ice Dogs lots of luck in this endeavor. I imagine some sort of feasibility study is in the works, to determine whether the Athens area really could financially support such a facility. Perhaps a good approach would be to convince the powers that be at UGA that a skating rink would be a great addition to the school’s recreational facilities — for use by the student body and public as well as for hockey. Please keep us updated on how this progresses.

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ARdawg

June 7th, 2013
9:15 am

Flat Tire doesnt live in Delusionalville Ga.

June 7th, 2013
9:30 am

Im tired of hearing about the cupcakes in the SEC

Every conference has them

The SEC is the best conference and has been for decades and the facts show it with Bowl Records and National Titles

The Big 10/Pac12 Biased media cant stand it and that’s why they continue to bring up this idea that SEC plays cupcakes; give me a break

Take the Big JOKE 10 they have been playing cupcakes for 100 yrs and just added 2 more in Rutgers and Maryland

Michigan and Ohio St have been the only 2 decent teams in that conference for 100 years, and is why between the two of them have won a total of 78 conference championships

And just take a look at Ohio St’s schedule this year; if they don’t go undefeated they should be the brunt of everyone’s jokes

ARdawg

June 7th, 2013
9:43 am

Growing up in South Georgia I could have never fathomed actually being an Ice Hockey fan. The 1980 Olympics changed all of that for me. I noticed and paid attention. I have also come to find out that there is in fact a whole sub culture of hockey fans throughout the Southeast. Hockey is a very exciting sport.

Good that you made mention of the Ice Dawgs Bill. You should do it more often

TheBuckeye

June 7th, 2013
9:55 am

flat tire,

Quit whining.

TheBuckeye

June 7th, 2013
9:56 am

a r dog,

$20 says you’ve never been to an “ice dog” game.

TheBuckeye

June 7th, 2013
9:57 am

flat tire,

The dogs schedule the last two years has been total cupcake.

And even then, you lose the big one.

TheBuckeye

June 7th, 2013
9:58 am

flat,

Florida, Auburn, Alabama and LSU have won titles.

You ain’t won didly.

You’ve played in a total of 3 BCS games.

Big woop.

Flat Tire doesnt live in Delusionalville Ga.

June 7th, 2013
9:59 am

Bucky-eye

I didn’t know telling was considered whining

Hey hows president bow tie he seems to cant help himself whining about the SEC since the SEC continues to embarrass his program

Granthams The Man

June 7th, 2013
10:01 am

Anyone who’s an SEC fan needs to take a look at the schedules of the media darlings that reside outside of the SEC. Adding one or two more tougher games to the schedule will add more excitement but the SEC is already playing a much harder schedule than the Big-10, Pac-12, ACC, etc.

ESPN is already pumping Ohio St for the National Championship despite their pitifully weak schedule. Alabama got very lucky last year and was almost passed over by two undefeated teams who almost got there via weak schedules only to lose to unranked teams at the last minute.

Adding another loss to the SECC and the runner up will only give the voters and ESPN who’s really who makes the picks an excuse to pick an undefeated team, who benefited from playing nobody over the #1 and or #2 SEC teams at the end of the year.

TheBuckeye

June 7th, 2013
10:04 am

flat tire,

If you know the facts he was asked to respond to the fact the SEC! SEC! said the B1G can’t count.

You remain……….

delusional

Flat Tire doesnt live in Delusionalville Ga.

June 7th, 2013
10:06 am

Buckeye

The Joke-eyes play the easiest schedule every year and only play one team in the Big 10 Michigan

The Joke-eyes have the easiest road to the National Title and whats really comical is you haven’t done anything more than UGA has in 40 yrs

Hey remind us again what happened when Ohio St played a UGA team coached by Ray Goff

TheBuckeye

June 7th, 2013
10:07 am

grantham (Beaver Cleaver in a cap)

ESPN is in the ratings business.

Ohio State has a top 3 Heisman Candidate

Ohio State has a NATIONAL following ( we don’t appear on CSS)

Ohio State has already been tagged for 4 Prime Time NATIONAL games.

Ohio State is a money maker for ESPN.

dogs are a money maker for CSS

TheBuckeye

June 7th, 2013
10:07 am

flat,

Consult the BSC records.

We’ve run laps ( or should I say 350) around you.

ARdawg

June 7th, 2013
10:08 am

Bugeye
You’d be right. I never have been to an Ice Dawg game. It’s typically not the event I’d fly across the country to attend. What is your point?

TheBuckeye

June 7th, 2013
10:09 am

flat,

Auburn – joke
Tennessee- joke
Kentucky – joke

Shall I continue?

TheBuckeye

June 7th, 2013
10:10 am

a r dog,

My point is made.

TheBuckeye

June 7th, 2013
10:12 am

flat,

Can you see if Win With can send the games tapes of Buffalo to Urban. They put a scare in you dogs for better than 2 quarters.

Flat Tire doesnt live in Delusionalville Ga.

June 7th, 2013
10:20 am

Buckeye

In 40 yrs

UGA
Auburn
Alabama
Tennessee
LSU
Florida

Have won National Titles

The Big Joke 10 just has Michigan and Ohio St

So yea continue

Indiana
Illinois
Perdue
Wisconsin
Michigan St
Iowa
Minnesota
Northwestern

Yea go right ahead and continue

Granthams The Man

June 7th, 2013
10:39 am

@ Buckeye, Ididn’t realise OS played 4 teams that made the matchup worthy of Prime Time?

Please tell us who they are? There are no Clemson’s, South Carolina’s, Florida’s or LSU’s on that poor excuse for a schedule. Those are what you call Prime Time matchups.

Please tell us who at OS is a ”Top 3 Heisman Candidate” You can’t mean Braxton Miller, who came in at #90 in Passing, with a QB rating of 140.48, which was good for 43 place.

Like I said, ESPN is already in OS’s camp and they haven’t done anything to deserve it.

Flat Tire doesnt live in Delusionalville Ga.

June 7th, 2013
10:48 am

Of course Ohio St’s QB is most likely going to win the Heisman

He should have Playstation numbers with that rough and tough schedule this year

LOL

Im sure the Outland Brednarik, Player of the Year, Coach of the Year, Greatest Team ever, etc will all be award to Ohio St to all because they are undefeated

Funny how ESPN touted UGA’s and Bama’s schedule last season schedule as being easy yet not hardly a peep from them about Ohio St having a bunch of high school teams to play

TheBuckeye

June 7th, 2013
10:50 am

flat and a r,

Miss St probation!

SEC! SEC!

Point Shaving

SEC! SEC!

dogs cryin’ and a humpin’

SEC! SEC!

It’s about time you had a decent schedule. Been a while.

TheBuckeye

June 7th, 2013
10:51 am

flat,

Congrats on sneaking dogs in on your list. That was the one last century, right?

Check the all times.

dogs have miles to go.

Flat Tire doesnt live in Delusionalville Ga.

June 7th, 2013
10:56 am

All time what

Flat Tire doesnt live in Delusionalville Ga.

June 7th, 2013
10:59 am

National Champions the ones you like Tech want to count when 15 teams won it in the same year

Ohio St is a joke and plays no one and hasn’t in 100 years

Had Ohio St been in the SEC you would be nothing more than a Kentucky and your record shows it

TheBuckeye

June 7th, 2013
11:00 am

flat,

Actually I commend the dogs schedule this year. It is likely to include stinging (pardon the pun GT) losses to Clemson, South Carolina, LSU, Vanderbilt and Florida.

Your defense will make swiss cheese look air tight.

Murray will continue to be Murray in big games Murray Murray. He just seems to have a knack for that.

Know what I mean?

TheBuckeye

June 7th, 2013
11:01 am

flat,

We’ve got the hardware.

TheBuckeye

June 7th, 2013
11:04 am

flat,

Simple –

# Wins

# Conference Titles

# NC’s

# Heismans

Kind up sums up what college football is all about.

dogs come up short, as usual.

But we know, it was the ref’s fault.

TheBuckeye

June 7th, 2013
11:04 am

flat,

Where is Still at the Bar?

Flat Tire doesnt live in Delusionalville Ga.

June 7th, 2013
11:14 am

Buckeye

Yea its pretty Simple

Michigan and Ohio St account for 78 Big Joke 10 Conference Championships

That ought tell you something

Why?

Cause of lousy conference opponents; for example

Indiana
Illinois
Perdue
Wisconsin
Michigan St
Iowa
Minnesota
Northwestern

Add 3 usual cupcakes and there is your reason why the Joke-eyes have

More Conference Titles than Alabama and UGA combined

More Wins
More Awards

When you play no one every single year its not hard to pad stats

Kind of sums things up

ARdawg

June 7th, 2013
11:26 am

Bugsy

No, as usual you have no point. Nothing but more spewed vitriolic psycho-babble. Your attempt at making my Ice Dawg post a negative is like most everything in your life, a miserable failure.

7576DAWG

June 7th, 2013
11:30 am

I would be very surprised if Ohio State didn’t win the BIG -10 this year because the other teams in the BIG -10 are not very good or they are building. Myers is a great recruiter , as he showed at Florida and will be contending every year. My hopes was that Nebraska would give that Conference some much needed integrity. The big difference when comparing the BIG-10 and the SEC is the SEC has at least 6 top 10 programs every year compared to the BIG – 10 having 2 sometimes 3.
This years Notre Dame is Ohio State. There will be a lot of pressure to have Ohio State as part of the National Title game since passed over last year. The biggest problem is the SEC is so strong it will be hard to end up with an undefeated team and that means the SEC may not get the other National Title spot.
Last year the National Title game should have been Alabama against Oregon or Stanford . Because Notre Dame ended up with a very weak schedule they were not ready for a real Football team. On paper Notre Dame’s schedule looked real hard but it was giving a lot of PAST great schools too much credit.
If the SEC is lucky enough to play Ohio State for the National Title it should guarantee another win. I can’t wait until we get the 8 team playoff that will eventually be in place. Then if the SEC losses at least the team who won will have to earn it instead of the the SEC getting bypassed all together which will guarantee another Conference will win , just like what happened to Auburn in 2004.

Flat Tire doesnt live in Delusionalville Ga.

June 7th, 2013
11:38 am

Lets see now

SEC Championships

Alabama 23
Tennessee 13
UGA 12
LSU 11
Florida 8
Auburn 7
Mississippi 6

Then you have the Big Joke 10

Michigan and Ohio St 78 Conference Championships

Not many teams to write about

Any moron would realize there isn’t competition in that joke Conference

7576DAWG

June 7th, 2013
11:47 am

Last year if Alabama had not backed into a Title spot because a couple of top 3 teams lost in the last few weeks Notre Dame would have played Oregon or Kansas State or Stanford and you would have had a close game. The problem with that is everybody in the country would have thought both teams were great instead of what actually happened , which was how far ahead the SEC was last year with talent when compared to other Conference. The final poll was right when 5 or 6 SEC teams ended up in the top 12. What has got to be avoided is putting a team like Notre Dame in the Title game when at least 4 maybe 5 SEC teams could have beaten them.
Can’t wait to see how the playoff Committee will restrict the SEC in their 4 team playoff but more important how they will restrict the SEC in the eventual 8 team playoff. The first rule is 2 teams from the same Conference should not have to play each other except for the Title game.

7576DAWG

June 7th, 2013
11:55 am

I really like the Young Alumni Program . Whoever came up with that idea deserves a bonus. With the economy like it has been and resent graduates trying to buy their first car and home and adjust to marriage, for a lot of them, giving them a break on the tickets will create loyalty in the future when they can afford to pay more. Georgia should expand that to at least 10,000 if there is that much demand.

Dean Tate

June 7th, 2013
12:32 pm

Nobody gave Georgia credit when they opened with Oklahoma State and Boise State.

LHarding Dawg

June 7th, 2013
12:34 pm

I think that we should do everything we can to get the young people to the games. Personally I would like to enclose the endzone. The noise level would be amped up considerably, which could give us an advantage in big games.

SimpleDawg

June 7th, 2013
12:46 pm

I have an idea on creating more attendance at UGA home games……

STOP MAKING IT SUCH A PAIN IN THE ASS TO ATTEND…!!!!

Parking is very restricted and very expensive, often more costly than the tickets.

The Athens and UGA police are so focused on trying to catch someone sneaking a little bourbon into the game……instead, why not focus on people who are being a nuisance to others, and stop hassling the folks who are just wanting to have a little drink during the game. Try directing traffic, or just being visible and available for assistance to fans needing help.

Put out more portable restrooms and trash cans, instead of complaining about the by-products of inadequate facilities and infrastructure.

Concentrate the focus on creating an enjoyable environment, and drop the “Police State” mentality.

ARdawg

June 7th, 2013
12:46 pm

75/76Dawg

Meyer is way overrated. As soon as his assistants bailed, he lost all ability to coach. He is incapable. Quasimoto can recruit at Florida. That is a no brainer. Only time will tell if he can actually coach, my money says he can’t. We certianly won’t find out this year with that pansy schedule of OST’s either

Dawghater 101

June 7th, 2013
1:27 pm

When happened the last time UGA played a Big Ten team?
Michigan State?

Dean Tate

June 7th, 2013
1:32 pm

We beat Nebraska this year.

Dawghater 101

June 7th, 2013
1:33 pm

BklynDawg

June 7th, 2013
2:05 pm

Nice selection of q’s this week, Bill!

I’m a little bit older than Chris, but also didn’t know the roots of the Dooley/Adams feud. Good history there!

And, I’m sad to say that I also haven’t been to an IceDawgs game in years–living cross-country *does* get in the way. BUT–I always loved when I was able to attend! Good, hard-hitting hockey (good to know SEC teams can play smashmouth in any sport!) and really enjoyed trash-talking with the fans. I went to a couple of GA/GA Tech games, and one with Tennessee–so, y’know, we had a lot to say to each other. :)

Good luck with the rink in Athens, guys! Hope it happens for you!

And ARDawg–definitely worth swinging by next time you have the opportunity!

AltamahaDawg

June 7th, 2013
2:44 pm

The problem with the economic argument:

Certainly a Michigan game would bring more revenue into town than North Texas. That day. By some percentage points. But would it bring twice as much? More revenue than TWO North Texas type home games, combined ? NO. And that’s the trade off when you play a reciprocating series. You give up the revenue entirely from a home game the next year.

Now, are fans more “excited” about watching UGA @ Michigan from home, than to be in Athens for another North Texas. Perhaps. Well in term of the match up , obviously. And to some degree that might be what really matters to some. BUT that’s and entirely different argument. But For pure revenue, and pure chances to have folks IN Athens, Ga., 2 cupcakes are going to win out over one big name.

AltamahaDawg

June 7th, 2013
3:01 pm

Prime example: How many rooms are selling in Athens to watch the Dawgs play@Clemson?
(I am glad we are playing a series with Clemson, as but as far Athens Merchants go..I bet you they wish we had the Sisters of the Blind in town that day..)

Which that example also points out that the dig at McGarity is a bit unjust. It’s not like he scheduled 4 North Texas’ to play this year.

Tech game is already a settled OOC game. It’s not our fault how good they choose to be.
We already ‘replaced’ a cupcake slot with top 10 Clemson.

So the suggestion is that we should have then scheduled a Michigan-esque game with one of our only 2 easy slots on the year? really? who else does that?

ARdawg

June 7th, 2013
3:34 pm

Alt
I’m a proponent of playing all OOC games with competitive teams. Afterall, football is supposed to be a competitive sport. IMHO, trying to justify playing Sisters of the poor from an economic standpoint is just wrong and misleading. The bottomline is it has always been done as a tune-up and guranteed win. Yes, everybody does it even Sisters of the poor but c’mon. Call it what it is.

On another note; is TGC still circulating emails? My addy changed a while back

AltamahaDawg

June 7th, 2013
3:42 pm

I’m not sure that other school reject our drug policies to gain a competitive advantage. I think they simply choose to not put themselves at a DIS advantage. The way most schools deal with it is the normal way. that standard way. UGA is the one who choses to deviate. Frankly I believe that most college football coaches don’t really care if one of his boys smokes a doobie every now and then. To be honest, if I were them, I would handled that only IF it got to be problem. that’s how it was handled her for decades too. heck who “wants” to have their players in the paper? Look what happens to us, and we are the ones trying to BE tougher about it. I guarantee you we have less issues that ’some” would If they suddenly went to our policies, and we still look like the bad guys. So it’s not like “other” programs are doing anything wrong..they just aren’t taking that step.

That being said, a LOT of thing used to fly, and sooner rather than later..there WILL be pressure to crack down and have more standard penalties.. I think we are just ahead of that curve.

AltamahaDawg

June 7th, 2013
3:52 pm

Cuz usually drives that. Maybe he will see that question.

AltamahaDawg

June 7th, 2013
4:10 pm

and I wasn’t using economics to “justify” playing cupcakes. I didn’t raise that factor. I was responding to the original letter to Bill, that used economics to justify NOT playing cupcakes. It’s simply not the case. No misleading on my part. I see now that Bill basically said the same thing as me. (I didn’t mean to piggyback his answer)

And I clearly said that based on the “point” of the match-up, Obviously Michigan is more exciting.

The reality i think is that it’s very difficult to schedule out in advance and walk the line between NOT traveling to return the game, and getting somebody “competitive”. I’d rather see a “pretty good” but not major team, than North Texas. I’m just not sure it’s always that simple to make happen.

7576DAWG

June 7th, 2013
4:12 pm

ARdawg
I have been known to make the same comment about Meyer. He got his reputation because of great Coordinators at Florida. But there is such a big talent pool around the state of Ohio , I think I could coach Ohio State to at least a winning season. I don’t think he will be very successful getting too many Southern boy’s to go to Ohio State when they get so much snow every year and 6 months of old weather.
The complaint I have with Ohio State is they have started playing cupcakes for their non- Conference games and all you have to rate them against is maybe 2 Big -10 teams that are top 20 material. Michigan and maybe Wisconsin or Nebraska every 3RD or 4th year and like Notre Dame last year any team that can go undefeated from the North has too much Catholic Media pull and SEC envy.

ARdawg

June 7th, 2013
4:39 pm

Alt,

I got that and didn’t mean to imply that you specifically were attempting to justify it economically. The author of the letter was and many people do. The brass tacks are that the local economics have nothing to do with the scheduling of games. Although many atheletic directors and others cite those reasons when in reality, they do not come into play.

A home and away for a competitive OOC game is the price to be paid. The reason it is so difficult is because the other schools are looking for a tune up and guranteed victory too. The naysayers on these boards would have one to believe it is only UGA when it is every team doing the very same thing, this is my point. A Michigan game for example might not generate the local revenue as two cupcake games but it would still generate a he11 of a lot for the school and the conference in TV.

If I lived 50 miles from Athens I’d attend a cupcake game, probably. Personally, I can even get up to watch one on TV.

That said, the other conferences aren’t doing it either. The other conferences aren’t playing 9 conference games and a championship. They all want the SEC to do it to hopefully give them a better chance in the up coming 4 game play-off. Wjile I am all for all competitive games in the SEC, I am not for it until it’s uniform in all of the conferences.