Fan talk: Is Georgia’s defense underperforming or overrated?

The Georgia defense fails to stop Connor Shaw running for another first down. (Bob Andres / AJC)

The Georgia defense fails to stop Connor Shaw running for another first down. (Bob Andres / AJC)

Georgia’s defense, which has failed to live up to preseason expectations, came in for quite a bit of criticism in this week’s Junkyard Mail. Let’s check out a sampling of what some fans are thinking. …

James Colvin writes: I’ve read what [Todd] Grantham and the players have said, but it boils down to this: There isn’t a team that has better personnel than UGA on defense this year. The analysts know this, Grantham knows it, all the players know it. All of these guys will be playing on Sunday next year or the year after. [But] we have not had a team defensive effort except Vandy. During the USC game, I recall seeing safeties not trusting the front seven to get the stop and getting torched on two long pass plays. Our ridiculously talented individual defenders have to play as a TEAM, and when they do, nobody can move against them.

And Jeremiah Johnson writes: I don’t want to blame the offense too much. Granted, they deserve their share, but the defense let the game get way out of hand way too early. … I’m beginning to wonder how dominant the defense actually was last year that allowed for all the hype this year. They were fantastic during the middle of the season, but in the beginning and end they didn’t pull through (the stats for sacks and tackles for loss resemble a bell curve, for instance). They have yet to really control an opponent’s backfield, which I think has led them to be susceptible to big pass plays. I don’t feel like I’m seeing the D blowing up the line to get sacks, it’s either they rush in untouched to get one, or eventually get a coverage sack. … It looks like they play with too much nervous emotion, as opposed to fight, fire, etc. Most of the defensive mistakes early in the game were because they were overcommitting to the run and trying to get too much pressure on [quarterback Connor] Shaw too fast. [Jarvis] Jones, for instance, was trying to outrun his tackle, leaving a huge hole for Shaw to scramble through and the safeties were jumping hard on the play-actions and bootlegs. Once they settled down, the game slowed down; this is why I blame the defense. Even though it was a teamwide meltdown, the defense was the first cog to break down, I think.

I have to agree with both James and Jeremiah. Georgia’s defense is the most disappointing aspect of the 2012 Dogs so far. A friend of mine was ranting along similar lines this week. As he noted, Grantham hasn’t slowed down South Carolina in three games. And playing into the soft-schedule theory, you could argue he earned his huge raise based on seven games where our defense was overwhelmingly dominant — and they all came against struggling offenses. Last season, Georgia had trouble stopping Boise State, South Carolina and Vandy. And while the defense looked like worldbeaters in the first half of the SEC championship game, they fell apart in the second half and wilted in the fourth quarter of the bowl game against Michigan State. My friend pointed out that even the SEC’s worst offense last year — Florida — had some success against the Dogs after being unable to do anything against the rest of the league. And this year’s defense has been troubling with the exception of the Vandy game. A lot of people have pointed to the suspensions and the resulting unsettled nature of Georgia’s defensive starters in the first five games, and that probably was a factor. But the Dogs’ defensive game plan against South Carolina wasn’t very good. A lot was expected of this defense, especially since several members of it could have left early for the NFL. But perhaps all that optimism overlooked the fact that Grantham’s D really hasn’t performed well to date against a top-notch offense. Too harsh? Well, the Florida game should tell us a lot.

Richard Moss writes: I saw a discussion on a couple of UGA fan blogs this week about whether Todd Grantham used his time wisely last week in preparing for the Gamecocks. Someone was complaining that they saw Grantham attending a 5th-6th grade football game in Athens last Thursday night in which his son was playing. The gist of their argument was that he should instead have been watching film and game-planning for South Carolina. What’s your take, Bill?

I certainly can’t argue with the fact that Grantham’s troops looked unprepared for a Gamecocks offense doing basically what everyone expected them to do, but I can’t believe anyone actually would blame that on Grantham taking the time to attend his kid’s game. Talk about overreacting! Football coaches spend little enough time with their families during the season as it is. Besides, complaining that Grantham wasn’t in his office on Thursday night ignores the fact that game plans are made and implemented early in the week, not on Thursdays. And not only was Grantham probably at work before the sun rose that day, but he may well also have gone back to work later, after he’d watched his son. These guys keep killer hours, but part of a college coach’s job is molding young men, and it’s important to show the players that you should never be too busy for your children.

Another popular topic this week among Junkyard Mailers was the Dogs’ poor record against ranked teams. ShreveportDawg writes: Hello Bill, love the blog. Turned 39 this past September and have been a Dawg fan for 30+ years and I cannot remember a game where we looked totally unprepared and gave such a lackluster performance. The one thing that keeps lingering in my head is the stat that Georgia is 0-10 now vs. top 10 teams under Richt and his staff. If something doesn’t change there soon what is Georgia to do in the next couple of years when the playoff system is put into place? If Georgia is wanting to be considered a national contender and be involved in the playoffs we will have to play top 10 teams. I never thought I would say this because I love Richt so much as a person, BUT there has to be a shake up from the ground up.

Along the same lines, DCDawg writes: OK Bill, do you think it is time to consider that Mark Richt is not able to take Georgia to that next level? Since the 2008 sUGAr Bowl, not only has this team looked less like a national power, but ESPN mentioned during last Saturday’s game that in the last three seasons, the Dawgs have not beaten a ranked team. The rest of the country wants to believe Georgia can win, evidenced by the rankings before the South Carolina game, but that is based on talent. You have to coach the talent and maybe Richt is unable to make that adjustment to get there. What do you think?

And Andrew writes: It feels like teams in the Richt era fall short more times than they persevere. I love everything Richt stands for, and I’m not calling for his job just yet, but I would like your thoughts.

First of all, the Dogs’ performance against ranked teams in recent seasons has not been good, but not quite as dire as Shreveport and DC indicate. Georgia beat two ranked teams last year: Auburn and Georgia Tech were Nos. 24 and 25, respectively, in the AP poll at the time those games were played. But, yes, the Dogs’ record against Top 10 teams since 2008 (when the current redshirt seniors started at UGA) is a dismal 1-9 (the last win being over No. 7-ranked Georgia Tech in 2009). Georgia’s record against Top 25 teams in that time period is 6-15. Actually, Richt’s record against ranked and Top 10 teams was pretty good in his early years at UGA but has gotten worse as his tenure has progressed. From 2001 through 2007, Georgia went 24-13 vs. ranked teams and went undefeated (5-0) against ranked opposition in both 2002 and 2007. What happened since then? Believe me, if I had that answer I’d drive over to Athens and slide it under Richt’s door. As for my views on his pluses and minuses as a head coach overall, see the answer to the next batch of letters.

Joe Burger writes: Hey Bill. I’m a fan of coach Richt, but can Richt and his staff ever get this program back to national prominence? Can we beat a nationally ranked team? In other words, can we ever challenge for a national championship? I just don’t know anymore. I’ve continued to see the same problems and issues in our losses and wins over the last several years … unpreparedness, slow starts, special teams, penalties, physicality.

Steve Yearta writes: Bill, Unfortunately my preseason concern about Georgia being overrated was justified in Columbia Saturday night. I take no pleasure in being accurate, and in fact it pains me to see our program in its present state. Your blog after the game spoke to the volumes of frustration that every Bulldog must be experiencing right now. I don’t see the present head coach being able to take the program beyond what it is now: A group of players that win most games based upon sheer superior talent, but when faced with a team of comparable players, the coaching required to overcome the talent parity is inferior and Georgia losses result.

I’m like you, Joe, in that I really like Richt. I think he’s a fine man who runs a program we can be proud of, and he’s the classiest coach in the SEC. But while he got off to a fast start early in his UGA career in terms of success on the field, it’s been much more of a spotty picture in recent seasons. Some problems he’s faced are unique to a particular season and can be written off as tough breaks, but there are some recurring problems that appear to be Richt weaknesses. The most obvious one is special teams, and I’m not very hopeful that will ever change under Richt because he was molded by Bobby Bowden, who rarely made that a top priority. Another recurring problem has been the offensive line. Ever since the linemen Richt inherited from Jim Donnan moved on, it seems the OL has rarely been a strength. That’s probably due to a combination of recruiting and coaching, but Richt ultimately gets the blame since he hired the folks responsible. And then there’s the frequent tendency of Richt teams to either play down to the level of a weak opponent or show up looking ill-prepared and unmotivated for a tough one. I supported giving Richt time to turn things around after a couple of rough seasons, and he got the Dogs back on track, up to a point, last season. But Georgia seems to be settling into a niche in the conference where they’re better than all the midlevel teams but a rung below the elite teams. Is that good enough? Can you seriously consider firing a coach who wins 10 games a season? And then there’s the point that UGA wouldn’t necessarily be better off making a change just because the longtime coach isn’t living up to his early resume. Ask Tennessee Vols fans about that. Next season, when Richt loses a bunch of veteran talent and the schedule gets tougher, may leave Greg McGarity with a tough decision to make. Good but not great wasn’t good enough for UGA in the Donnan years. What constitutes good enough now?

Phillip Joiner writes: Bill, My friend and I got to discussing possibilities for the [SEC] East and we had a question we hope you could answer. Here’s the scenario: Carolina already beat us. If we beat the Gators and the Gators beat the Gamecocks, it’s a 3-way tie where we all beat each other. If the division and league record would be even, is overall record the next tiebreaker? With Georgia Tech being a true “rambling wreck” we should win that one, while South Carolina has Clemson and Florida has FSU. How would that impact who goes Doming?

I’d advise not taking anything for granted in looking ahead, but if the scenario you describe were to occur, here’s how it works: Division standings are based on a team’s overall conference record (much to Steve Spurrier’s dismay last year). If three teams in the division wind up the season tied, the first tie-breaker is the combined head-to-head record among the teams, then their record within the division, followed by their record against the division team that has the best overall conference record. Then they look at their record against non-division teams. After that, the tied team with the highest BCS ranking after the end of the regular season gets the edge unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five or fewer places of the highest ranked team. In that case, the head-to-head results of the two top-ranked tied teams will determine who is the SEC East’s representative in the championship game.

Who deserves more blame for the blowout in Columbia? Todd Grantham or Mike Bobo? (University of Georgia)

Who deserves more blame for the blowout in Columbia? Todd Grantham or Mike Bobo? (University of Georgia)

Jon Wilhoit writes: Bill, I am an optimist, but also a realist. I have defended [Mike] Bobo, based on decent offensive production, but with a simmering level of frustration because his play-calling has time and again killed momentum and all too often kept opponents in games that the Dawgs should have easily blown the other team out. [Jadeveon] Clowney is the top defensive player in college football. How does Bobo not game-plan for him? How does Bobo not have a fullback dedicated to double-teaming Clowney on every passing down? We experienced [Marcus] Lattimore’s ability for the last two years and Shaw’s dual-threat ability [was well-known]. Is Richt not asking Grantham what his plan is to contain them? How about Alec Ogletree spying Lattimore and a DB on Shaw and make them beat us elsewhere? The point is, there was nothing special about our game-plan to counter what IS special about our opponent’s capabilities.

And Will writes: Bill, after watching South Carolina’s domination, with no bright spots for the Dawgs quite honestly, and [Kirk] Herbstreit’s bashing of essentially the team and the program late in the game on national television, I think this was a realization that under this coaching staff we cannot win the big games, which means we probably can’t win championships under Richt. It’s a hard pill to swallow, but … the state of our program is frankly just mediocre. Not great, definitely not worthy of a top 5 or top 10 ranking, and I believe #14 where we are is just right. If we want to crack top 10 again we have to earn it by beating a really good team in Florida to at least possibly REACH Atlanta. I don’t believe I’m the only one who thinks this. Your thoughts?

Will, even if Georgia beats Florida, it’s going to be up to South Carolina to lose two games in order for the Dogs to make it back to the Dome. And, Jon, you summed up pretty well the frustration most Georgia fans felt watching the game last Saturday night. Most observers figured Georgia’s young offensive line would need help, but Bobo’s plan to have a back “chip” the pass rushers obviously wasn’t enough, and a suitable adjustment wasn’t made. Likewise with Grantham’s defensive game plan. South Carolina has some talented players, but not more than Georgia. And I’m not convinced the Gamecocks wanted the game more. I think what made the difference in Columbia was that Georgia got outcoached.

Finally, on an off-field subject, Limeydawg writes: I have an idea I’d like to see gain some traction. Aaron Murray’s father has cancer. I’ll bet none of us has anything but prayers and good wishes for Murray senior, and for Aaron. As a fan, this hits home as I’m sure it will with many of you. My son, Dylan, was diagnosed with leukemia at age 2, and the American Cancer Society is, therefore, one of my favorite charities. So it struck me that we, the Dawg Nation, have a chance to step up in a big, big way. So, when we play Kentucky on 11/03, how about we call for a pink-out to create a little cancer awareness on the national stage? Maybe the athletic department can collect money at the gates on that date and donate it to the ACS on behalf of the Murray family. To me, this is what Georgia is about. Yes, we’re passionate, unforgiving and slightly off kilter when it comes to our Dawgs. We’re also possessed of giant hearts. I’m locked down in SW Florida, but some of you know somebody who knows somebody. Put a bug in an ear. Show the nation that Georgia has a heart.

I’m not sure a pink-out is in order here since pink is generally used in connection with breast cancer awareness. I’ve seen one organization that touts a teal/pink/blue ribbon to bring awareness to thyroid cancer, which is what Aaron’s dad has, while another uses purple. But I don’t think either idea is well-known enough to be effective. Neither is the lavender ribbon used to bring awarness to all cancers. But I certainly agree that collecting at the gate for cancer research would be a great idea. If not the athletic department, perhaps one of the student organizations at UGA would like to take that on.

Since this is a bye week for UGA, the Blawg also will be taking the weekend off. But we’ll be back discussing the Dawgs next week. Have a good weekend and stay safe, everyone!

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#1 DAWG fan in bama

October 11th, 2012
10:44 pm

Eaassyyy

October 11th, 2012
10:59 pm

Flat out there is no pressure anymore. Its like the rest of the defense has no idea what to do now that Jarvis isn’t doing anything. Everyone is looking at everone else waiting on them to make a play.

It’s dumfounding. What is with Jarvis? He has to be hurt because he just isn’t flying around the field. Dline is flat out not getting any pressure. Linebackers are making tackles five six yards down field. Safties are more worried about stepping up and making big hits than staying in coverage.

Bottom line it doesn’t look good. Especially considering all these kids will be playing on Sunday real soon.

Bright Idea

October 11th, 2012
10:59 pm

The problem with Grantham’s defense is 1) too complicated, sub packages based on matchups, 2.) NFLitis…no accounting for a running QB 3) DEs not physical

Eaassyyy

October 11th, 2012
10:59 pm

Answer: UNDERPERFORMING!

Eaassyyy

October 11th, 2012
11:01 pm

I was thinking maybe it’s too complicated too Bright.

Sometimes they look the best and get the most pressure in a base package playing straight up. All the twists and zone blitzes is when they get beat the worst it seems.

Eaassyyy

October 11th, 2012
11:02 pm

They made Shaw look like freaking Vince Young when he was at Texas. Nine yards at will. He is good but he ain’t that good.

funny...

October 11th, 2012
11:26 pm

I don’t like the 3-4 in a college setting. In theory the 3-4 should work, Alabama does it very well, but they’ve had big LB’s. Georgia has a very talented line but I think with this personel group the 4-3 would serve Georgia better.

It’s why Georgia’s D dominates small teams but talented O-lines can stop this Defense.

Furthermore, the safeties aren’t very disciplined. It makes for receivers getting behind your safeties. All the way from the Arkansas game a few years ago to most recent in Columbia.

Macclenny_dawg

October 11th, 2012
11:26 pm

Bill,
I know we don’t have a special team coach. But that has me thinking who calls the plays for the special teams??? Who calls for punt return or punt block??? I hardly ever see us go all out to block a punt. Meyer won a lot of games blocking punts that changed momentum in a game. I feel we don’t try to dictate any faze of the game. Our blitzes usually show before the snap. Why can’t a linebacker move around and fake a blitz in one gap then move to another before the snap to try to confuse the o-line and quaterback??? It seems we just play nfl football with no aggressive calls ever. It all boils down to coaching and I for one am SICK OF RICHT!!!

peachdog

October 11th, 2012
11:27 pm

so you all had this game circled on the calender. poor coaching… no scheme,Rambo should have been on line every play and defense should have been man coverage and start practicing live, to the ground tackling, bunch of powder puffs. offense no qb could have gotten off a pass or back run with this powder puff line. coaches stop trying to be players best buddy and go to coaching the problem started with the pretty boy D against Carolinai…And to think what these coaches get paid. i have been a supporter of BoBo, but his knowing of Carolina D and not having a Lynch, Hall, in backfield to pick up Clowndy and Taylor is completely ludicrious, sorry coaching lost this game indeed a team loss. Spurrier and Saben demand respect, have a plan ,and run practice like a business my way or be gone.the buck stop here whether it is parent, boss, or coach. here we have the kids doing as they wish and hence we have a bunch of undisiplined, whinney,want to bes

funny...

October 11th, 2012
11:27 pm

Another thing I’m seeing is players crashing on play fakes and not getting off their blocks.

I don’t think it’s overrated, I feel it’s underperforming in a scheme that isn’t working.

Sun Devil Dave

October 11th, 2012
11:27 pm

Guys, guys, don’t be so hard on the Dawgs. I have won soooo much money off their losses and plan to continue LOLOLOLOL all the way to the bank.

aarh

October 11th, 2012
11:28 pm

Jarvis has had a groin injury for a few wks., & I read the other day that he has 3 or 4 injuries now. I hope that’s not the problem. He did sit out one game, & has an off wk. this wk. He hasn’t been practicing this wk. I don’t know if they’ll hold him out this game or not….since it’s one they should win, but I just hope he gets better for FL the next game though, bc goodness knows we’ll need him.

funny...

October 11th, 2012
11:31 pm

I’m not sick of Richt but I’m sick of his lack of change or willingness to change. We run what looks like a patchwork of different offensive packages. I get that we were down at USC early but where was the 5 wide stuff.

And why on earth was Georgia running plays that took extra seconds to execute against a highly aggressive D-line? I saw 1 screen attempted in the USC game and it was going to Merrit Hall.

It’s like they don’t even game plan for the team they’re playing and they get really vanilla when they play tough teams.

funny...

October 11th, 2012
11:32 pm

Against UT we had no pass rush. I don’t think we really ever knocked down Bray or Shaw for that matter.

funny...

October 11th, 2012
11:33 pm

I don’t think that Florida is that good but if we lose to them, then what.

Could they really fire Richt for a 10-2 season?

JRW7

October 11th, 2012
11:34 pm

The biggest problem with the DAWGS is coaching, in fact the problem is NO coaching. CMR and all his coaches get out coached in all the big games. CMR wins 10 games per year beating up on all the below average teams, he just can’t win the big game anymore!

funny...

October 11th, 2012
11:35 pm

If we do go 10-2 combined with 10-4 from last year we would have 20 wins over far inferior teams and no wins over teams of Georgia’s caliber. Georgia is in college football limbo, they beat all the bad teams and lose to the good teams.

That sounds and awful lot like Jim Donnan, and they canned him for far less than what Richt has put this program through in the last 7 years.

JRW7

October 11th, 2012
11:36 pm

Even with 10 wins, who have we beat, only average teams!

funny...

October 11th, 2012
11:36 pm

Also, the decision to stay with Murray is a poor one as well. The kid tries hard but damn if he can’t win in a big game situation.

Sticking with Murray should be Richts downfall

JRW7

October 11th, 2012
11:40 pm

Are we DAWG fans content with 10 wins, or do we want to win a NC? I don’t think CMR has the necessary fire in the belly to win big anymore! $3,000,000 per year makes you fat and lazy!

DAWG with two bags over head

October 11th, 2012
11:43 pm

Everyone knows what needs to be done to move to the next level.. It won’t happen with our brain trust. Why wait until the end of next season after we’ve gone 6-6 or worse. We’ve already seen this movie. About 3 years past time for a change.

Sautee Dawg

October 11th, 2012
11:46 pm

Bill, one thing I don’t understand is why Bobo don’t make Murray take a deeper drop on his pass attempts to eliminate these tipped passes. The tipped pass against Tenn. pick-6. the first pass against SC. tipped and intercepted.
Bill I’ve watched every game Murray’s played at home including spring ball and every game he has problems with tipped passes because of his height.
Shaw for SC was taking 10 step dros because of the same problem and seems to have success.
Bill, while SC was doubling Jarvis Jones, looks like UGA would have done the same to Clowney, instead we run 4 and 5 reciever sets thinking we’re going to have time to pass..
By going with these 4 and 5 reciever sets what your doing is creating more free space for their Defense to get a good rush. By using 2 tightends you clog up the line of scrimage and gives the QB more time in the pocket.
If UGA’s problems carry over to the Florida game, Sanford will have lots of empty seats for Ole Miss,
One thing that stings after the SC loss is UGA’s coaches taking it lightly in their interviews, CMR saying the sun still come up, it’s just one game, phrases like that. Well CMR is right it was just one game, but this makes the 3rd verse of this song and alot of us UGA fans are wondering what happens next season when half our team is gone and SC still has the majority of theirs, are we going to hear another excuse like, we just got whipped?

ARdawg

October 11th, 2012
11:47 pm

Thanks for the column Bill. Been mighty lean around ajc since the beatdown in Columbia. Lotsa fans disgruntled with lots to say. Richt is not very popular

Dawg Fud

October 11th, 2012
11:48 pm

A new president starts next summer. If s/he cannot raise money because every donor is complaining about the head coach and his program, I would expect McGarity would be “encouraged” to get involved and right the ship…or he is toast, too.

Hairy Dawg

October 11th, 2012
11:53 pm

Garbage D. Can’t coach ‘em up, so they don’t get anything done.

Cmdawg99

October 11th, 2012
11:54 pm

Richt just announced he is a LSU fan this weekend. Lol

Cmdawg99

October 11th, 2012
11:56 pm

Hope everyone else will lose. What’s left? Go dawgs!!!

ARdawg

October 12th, 2012
12:13 am

“Good but not great wasn’t good enough for UGA in the Donnan years. What constitutes good enough now?”

1.4 more wins per season has bought Richt 3 times more time allowed than Donnan.

Bill King, you I’ve never viewed as a Richt apologist and this is more proof. Please Bill don’t lose sight of the fact that the Donnan years were 11 maybe 12 game seasons. The Richt apologists clammer to his 10 win season average. This isn’t apples to apples.

When one compares apples to apples, Richt has produced wins no different than Donnan. More so Donnan produced quality wins where Richt can not. Richt should bow out gracefully. The university, the fans and the Bulldog nation has treated him exceptionally well. It’s time he do it for us.

ARdawg

October 12th, 2012
12:16 am

CMdawg99

Really guy, is there any pride in being a Georgia Bulldog anymore? Clinging to hoping someone loses rather than kicking the opponents azz

aarh

October 12th, 2012
12:21 am

funny…- Richt did win 2 SEC Championships & played for 3. Donnan never did that, & neither di any other UGA coach for 20 yrs. before Richt did so. I know it happened a while back, but to met that still separates him from other recent UGA coaches though.

ARdawg

October 12th, 2012
12:24 am

aarh
He one the first and most convincing with Donnan’s players and he’s had 3 times Donnan’s tenure to do so. If you put them side by side comparably speaking, there isn’t a dimes worth of difference in the two

ARdawg

October 12th, 2012
12:25 am

The first and most convincing

ARdawg

October 12th, 2012
12:26 am

Donnan couldn’t get Georgia there in 4 years and Richt can’t in 13

Irish Dawg

October 12th, 2012
12:31 am

Just a few points no one has mentioned. We do not run two tight end sets. We needed them against SC to help our tackles. SC’s second TD came off one and our defense was lost. Murray never looks at more than the primary receiver eventho many times other receivers are open. He forces the throw and he is no longer a threat to run. Lastly our special teams still have walk-on’s and inexperienced players on them apparently to give kids playing time. We need some major changes.

chuck

October 12th, 2012
12:33 am

Bobo is one of the least talented OC in the history of the SEC. I think CMR needs to send a clear signal that his disgusting lack of preparation will not be accepted and fire him during this off week. Does Bobo even look at the film of the upcoming teams? Even my wife knows we should have had an extra TE or a BIG RB like Samuel, Malcome or Hall helping on blocking Clowney. We made the same mistake in last year’s Bowl Game so this is a pattern of ineptitude. Bobo obviously doesn’t learn from his mistakes so fire him and find someone that studies the upcoming teams and plans accordingly. If CMR refuses then both can leave.

ARdawg

October 12th, 2012
12:34 am

Irish

Same song different dance my friend. We’ve discussed these issues for the last 5 years. If the apologists cling to this 10 win season bullshivism, we’ll probably be discussing it for the next 5

LakeDawg

October 12th, 2012
12:51 am

Bottom line: UGA is SOFT. One thing that my family and friends that are across the south and support many SEC teams have always taken pride in is being hardnosed. You can lose, but if you played hardnosed football you still had your pride and respect. UGA is SOFT under CMR. Unforgivable.

aarh

October 12th, 2012
12:54 am

ARdawg- You can say Richt won w/ Donnan’s players in 2002, but Richt also won the SEC Title in 2005, which would be w/ his own players. My point in that Donnan never won an SEC Title, & Richt did it twice. Richt won the first SEC Title that UGA had won in 20 yrs. in his 2nd season, & you can say he did it w/ Donnan’s players w/ that one, but at least he did something that Donnan couldn’t do, bc Donnan never did that. Then he won another title…I believer around 2005 or so, which would be his own players. Now, you can say that more recently that what Richt has done is more comparable to the Donnan era. The only thing that’s different now is the assistant coaches, & the competition. I’d like to see UGA go to the next level as well. I just never have agreed w/ the philosophy that every time a team loses a game…that lets blame the coach & clean house. I just believe he’s proven he can win by winning in the past. Even though we’re a bit behind certain teams…you never know how long those coaches are going to be at those other schools, & it can’t be forever. Who knows, maybe in a given season UGA can put it together, & have a team that can win a championship. I’d just rather stay w/ Richt & give him that chance. It’s not like he’ll coach forever either.

DostaDawg

October 12th, 2012
12:58 am

We got our u know what handed to us on both sides of the line. why doesnt Rodney Garner ever get any of the blame? Were getting beat out on whatever recruit’s Bama doesnt want. ESPN has 3 GA. players in it’s top 10. None considering Dawg’s.

LakeDawg

October 12th, 2012
12:58 am

aarh

I think that is a good plan. Wait for all of the good coaches in the conference to leave and then Richt might win again. Briliant!

ARdawg

October 12th, 2012
1:05 am

aarh
This is 2012. What has he done since 2005? During that period Donnan would have been hired, fired and Richt would come along and win with his players. Yet, we have nothing from Richt in that same period but more failure and more like you apologist for it. C’mon guy, there is not room enough up your rectum for both our heads

DostaDawg

October 12th, 2012
1:11 am

When u have a TRUE frosh. being named capt. of the special team’s it should be obvious thing’s are’nt going well.

aarh

October 12th, 2012
1:13 am

ARdawg – Richt won the SEC Title 2 times in his first 5 yrs., & the first one was more convincing as far as being the most lopsided, but Ark only got in that game, bc I believe AL didn’t make it,bc I they were on probation then. Ark baked into that game. UGA won the 2nd one w/ Shockley as QB against LSU when they were ranked much higher than UGA, & nobody gave them a chance. UGA dominated that game as well. I don’t remember the final score, but even if it wasn’t by as many points as the 1st one…it was a much better opponent.

aarh

October 12th, 2012
1:13 am

ARdawg – Richt won the SEC Title 2 times in his first 5 yrs., & the first one was more convincing as far as being the most lopsided, but Ark only got in that game, bc I believe AL didn’t make it,bc I they were on probation then. Ark baked into that game. UGA won the 2nd one w/ Shockley as QB against LSU when they were ranked much higher than UGA, & nobody gave them a chance. UGA dominated that game as well. I don’t remember the final score, but even if it wasn’t by as many points as the 1st one…it was a much better opponent.

Ed

October 12th, 2012
1:13 am

They’re awful

Ed

October 12th, 2012
1:18 am

“1.4 more wins per season has bought Richt 3 times more time allowed than Donnan.”

Interesting observation ardawg. I believe Richt’s teams play one more game a year than Donnan’s did back then, and it’s usually an automatic W against a cupcake.

aarh

October 12th, 2012
1:19 am

Lakedawg – My plan isn’t to wait for all the other coaches to leave. I’m mainly just pointing out that a couple of other great coaches are in pace now, & they’ve just going to be hard for anyone to beat now for anyone the way they have their programs rolling. I just can’t think of anyone else we can get that may do any better. That’s really what I’m saying.

Pj

October 12th, 2012
1:19 am

The loss was terrible. Does anyone remember our awful loss to Tennessee in 07? By the end if the season we finished #2 in the nation. If I had said to any if you before the season “I’ll give you 11-1 right now, take it or leave it” – ill bet 90% of you would have taken it.
Lets all take a deep breath and see how the second half turns out. If we finish 11-1 ill be a damn happy dawg fan.

Rick James

October 12th, 2012
1:23 am

As good as he is Gurley has missed a couple of blocks that lead to key sacks.Bryan McClendon has got to work he and Marshall on chip blocking.Samuel should have played more against SC due to his blocking experience..It may not have changed the outcome but I think it may have given Murray a little more time.I think SC was a better team that night but not 28 points better.Tennesse to a lot of them and I think when they went 27-10 they started thinking about the next week.The Florida game is crucial..But stay focused on Kentucky.

aarh

October 12th, 2012
1:26 am

ARdawg – I agree that things haven’t gone as well since 2005. My point is that Richt won 2 SEC Titles in his first 5 yrs. So, winning 2 separates him from Donnan bc he never won any. My other point is that winning an SEC Title in his fifth yr…is winning w/ his own players. People always say it’s all about championships. I just don’t like it when people try to compare Richt to Donnan & Goff. Those guys never came close to winning any type of championship. Now, I would like to have some more success now, & it would really be nice to even win a National Championship, but I’m just not convinced that that’ll happen anyway if we make a coaching change. I’m just hoping for the best no matter which way we decide to go.