Playoff would have given UGA several more shots at national title

oval G logoAssuming the Big 10 representative to the BCS presidential oversight committee doesn’t manage to derail things, it looks like we’re headed toward a seeded four-team tournament for college football with the teams picked by a selection committee.

The committee will be charged with taking conference championships and strength of schedule into account, so there’s no guarantee that the teams that finish 1-4 in the polls will be selected, but more often than not that’s likely to be the case. In some instances, though, a team ranked #5 (or lower) might squeak in.

The real plus of such a system is that at the end of the regular season four teams have a shot at the national title instead of just two, which set my son Bill and I to wondering if such a playoff process had been in effect in the past, how often would Georgia have had a chance to play their way to a national championship?

Looking back, it turns out the Bulldogs would have made the playoff or been in contention for selection by the committee 11 times: 1942, 1946, 1959, 1966, 1968, 1976, 1980, 1981, 1982, 2002 and 2007. Note: For this exercise in alternate history, we defined a UGA team as being “in contention” if it was ranked in the Top 5 at the end of the regular season.

In looking at the hypothetical matchups, it’s interesting to note that UGA likely would have gotten to face some more legendary coaches (Woody Hayes, John McKay) and more games against Bear Bryant and Joe Pa, and would have been matched up against some famous players/teams, like the infamous SMU Mustangs of 1982.

There also might have been a rematch with Clemson in 1981. And while we wouldn’t have gotten Notre Dame in 1980, Georgia likely would have played the Fighting Irish in 1966.

Georgia probably would have had a tougher time winning out for the national championship in 1980 with a semifinal and final to play, but UGA might have won titles in other years, since they would have qualified at least a few times.

Let’s look at the years in question, using the final regular season AP or BCS poll.

We mainly concentrated on the era from Vince Dooley on, but let’s first take a brief look at the Wally Butts years:

In 1942 UGA finished the regular season #5 (they later finished #2 in AP and #1 in varying polls after a Rose Bowl victory for a share of the national title). With Frank Sinkwich and Charley Trippi in the backfield, there’s a decent chance a selection committee might have put the Dogs in a four-team playoff.

In 1946, Georgia finished the regular season ranked #3 (and wound up finishing #3 in the final poll as well), so a playoff berth would have been assured.

The 1959 Dogs finished the regular season ranked #5 but with 2 first place votes and a big-name quarterback in Francis Tarkenton, so again there’s a chance they would have been selected by the committee.

In 1966, Dooley’s Dogs won the SEC and finished the regular season #4, which using the playoff system that’s being considered now would have resulted in #4 UGA vs. #1 Notre Dame in a semifinal, with the winner of that game facing the winner of #2 Michigan State vs. #3 Alabama. The odds would have been against the Dogs, but that was a typical never-say-die Dooley team that might have pulled an upset. In reality, Georgia’s actual finish was #4 with a win over SMU in the Cotton Bowl.

Would Jake Scott have played for the 1968 national title? (University of Georgia)

Would Jake Scott have played for the 1968 national title? (University of Georgia)

In 1968, SEC champ Georgia finished the regular season #4, which would have resulted in #4 UGA vs. #1 Ohio State (coached by Woody Hayes), with the winner facing the winner of #2 USC (John McKay) and #3 Penn State (Joe Paterno). This was a very talented but temperamental Bulldog team that in reality finished #8 after losing to Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl, so how the Dogs would have fared might have depended on how much Jake Scott and company partied the night before.

In 1976, SEC champion Georgia finished the regular season #5. Had they somehow managed to get selected by the committee, we know how this one would have turned out because in reality they lost in the Sugar Bowl to #1 Pittsburgh, which is who they would have faced if they could have somehow grabbed the #4 spot in the playoff.

Now we come to the Herschel years, when Georgia won three straight SEC titles.

In 1980, as we all know, Georgia finished the regular season ranked #1, which would have resulted in a semifinal matching #1 UGA vs. #4 Oklahoma, with the winner facing the winner of #2 Florida State vs. #3 Pittsburgh. Definitely a tougher road to the title than what actually happened, which was the Dawgs winning the championship after a Sugar Bowl win over #7 Notre Dame.

Georgia would have made the playoff in each of Herschel Walker's years. (Associated Press)

Georgia would have made the playoff in each of Herschel Walker's years. (Associated Press)

Georgia finished the 1981 regular season ranked #2, which would have resulted in #2 UGA vs. #3 Alabama (Bear’s second to last team and final good team), with the winner facing the winner of #1 Clemson vs. #4 Nebraska (which was the actual Orange Bowl matchup that Clemson won). Clemson, of course, had beaten UGA earlier that year. It would have been a great game had Georgia made it to a rematch. In reality, Georgia finished #6 after a loss to Pittsburgh in the Sugar Bowl.

In 1982, the Dawgs finished the regular season ranked #1, which would have resulted in #1 UGA vs. #4 SMU (Craig James! Eric Dickerson! Herschel Walker! NO PASSING!!!) with the winner facing the winner of #2 Penn State vs. #3 Nebraska. In reality, Georgia sadly finished #4 in the final poll after a Sugar Bowl loss to Penn State that shouldn’t have happened.

In the Mark Richt era, Georgia would have definitely qualified for the playoff once and possibly made it another time.

In 2002, Georgia won the SEC championship and finished the regular season ranked #3 in the BCS poll, which would have resulted in #3 UGA vs. #2 Ohio State in a semifinal, with the winner facing the winner of #1 Miami vs. #4 USC. That would have been quite a challenge, but certainly would have resulted in more interesting games than what we got in reality, where the Dawgs beat #14 FSU in the Sugar Bowl and wound up #3 in the final poll.

A playoff system might have given Knowshon Moreno a chance to play for the national title. (Associated Press)

A playoff system might have given Knowshon Moreno a chance to play for the national title. (Associated Press)

And 2007 is one of those cases where a playoff definitely would have resulted in better matchups than we got in the BCS. Georgia finished the regular season ranked #5 in the BCS poll (though #4 in the AP and coaches polls) and went on to crush #10 Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl and finish #2 in the final poll.

Many at the time thought the Dawgs would have been ranked higher had they won their division and/or conference. But by the end of the season Georgia, with Matt Stafford and Knowshon Moreno, was probably the hottest team in college football and there’s at least a strong likelihood the selection committee would have put them in the playoff.

Had that happened, likely fourth-seed UGA would have faced #1 Ohio State, with the winner facing the winner of #2 LSU vs. #3 Oklahoma. I think the Dawgs could have taken Jim Tressel’s Buckeyes, which might have resulted in … an all-SEC national title game with one of the teams not having won its own conference division. And this despite there being a playoff!

Which, no doubt, would have had folks elsewhere in the nation howling for a new system of determining college football’s national champion …

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226 comments Add your comment

Whiskey Breath

June 22nd, 2012
4:27 pm

Gee Bill, I get lost in all those perfect scenarios. Ga has always been good at that.
How in the world has Alabama won all those championships and Ga has won one?
I guess it is all about what coulda, shoulda happened. Did any of you guys buy those scenarios?

Joey

June 22nd, 2012
4:35 pm

To get bias out of the playoff, they better get a few Buddhist monks look at the stats and vote.

I know if I were a voter, I couldn’t be unbiased.

Ole Big Dawg

June 22nd, 2012
4:37 pm

For gosh sakes fellas….How bout those Dawgs!

Joey

June 22nd, 2012
4:41 pm

Whiskey, Bama is the best football program ever. They were blessed to have the best coach ever for 40 years, now they’ve got the next, “best ever coach.”

Who wouldn’t agree?

So why bring something up like that? Did Bill say anything derogatory about Bama? Did anybody?

You are just a drive-by-poster who likes to insult. Congrats.

By the way, are you a Bama fan?

@Junkyard Hawg

June 22nd, 2012
4:54 pm

Good God Man. Really? Woulda’ Shoulda’ Coulda’? Is that all you got? Whose to say they ALSO wouldn’t have fallen flat in each of those years?

Really that’s all you’ve come up with?

Geeze o Peeks Amigo….

As my wrestling coach used to say: ” If if’s and buts were candy and nuts…. We’d all have a Merry Christmas.

Put it on the field and not from behind a keyboard.

Just Damn.

DIT

June 22nd, 2012
4:58 pm

Just my opinion, but I think there will still be plenty of belly-aching with just a 4 team playoff. I think they ought to try an 8 team playoff. This way conference champions get in and a few “at-large” teams. Then there will be little room for argument. Under a 4 team playoff the chances of the ACC going to that playoff will be tough unless that champ only loses 1 game. Clemson would not have gone last year. Just saying.

kingdaddy

June 22nd, 2012
5:01 pm

Even with a 4 team play-off, many teams will cry rivers…

DIT

June 22nd, 2012
5:04 pm

I agree kingdaddy.
8 team playoff gives all the contenders a chance. That’s just the way I see it.

kingdaddy

June 22nd, 2012
5:04 pm

DIT
What if 2 SEC teams make it in again???

Dawg Haus

June 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm

Seriously, kingdaddy. There will always be a #5 team. So long as the Dawgs make the cut from time to time, it’s all good with me.

DIT

June 22nd, 2012
5:07 pm

2 sec, 2 Big 10…… 2 ACC(OK, let’s not get carried away..) If they are ranked in the top 8 then absolutely. Best 8 teams regardless!

The Truth Detector

June 22nd, 2012
5:07 pm

I think Bill is mostly correct. This being a dawg blawg I will say I agree that UGA would have probably done better than those phonies from the Big 10 who year after year fail to take their game to next level.

Dawg Haus

June 22nd, 2012
5:09 pm

I agree, DIT. There would be so much less room for complaining with an 8-team playoff, but I guess we just have to take what we can get for now. At least something in college football seems to be changing for the better these days.

kingdaddy

June 22nd, 2012
5:11 pm

8 is great…

DIT

June 22nd, 2012
5:11 pm

Very true Dawg Haus. At least there is an effort going on. In the past there was room for a #5 and maybe even #6 team to have a legitimate complain. You never hear of a #9 or #10 getting in the argument.

DIT

June 22nd, 2012
5:12 pm

meant to type “complaint”

DIT

June 22nd, 2012
5:14 pm

Imagine if an 8 team playoff went into effect this past year. We would of had LSU, Bama, Arky and possibly South Carolina. Wow, the whiny would have been very loud. Then again they were in the top 8, no room for arguing.

Old Dog

June 22nd, 2012
5:25 pm

We might have made it TO the playoffs, but would we have WON? We made it TO the SEC playoff, but we lost. We made it to a bowl game, but we lost.

Vince Doodley

June 22nd, 2012
5:43 pm

Georgia still sucks.

Ole Big Dawg

June 22nd, 2012
5:59 pm

Can you guys feel it…the glorious tradition which is Georgia Bulldawg football is right around the corner!

THE Dixie Redcoat Band

June 22nd, 2012
6:00 pm

We did have LSWho on the ropes the first half. It would be great to just win a bowl game.

TossSweep

June 22nd, 2012
6:03 pm

Altamaha,

Please try not to make people think you know a lot. Those who think they know it all make a lot of assumptions…because they think they know it all. Don’t assume that just because I mentioned Monday Morning Quarterback, I was referring to BK’s article. I am referring to people who post on forums after a Georgia loss who think they know every single thing about being a college head coach and they seem to know how to right the ship and get Georgia back to contending for the NC…and then talk about the woulda, coulda, shoulda. I guess if you don’t have a life and all you do is think about the “what if’s” then you’d defend yourself for doing so when every coach and player have moved on to the next game. So get off your high horse because you’re not as smart as you think. Don’t fool yourself. The forum is all yours buddy.

Buzz2011

June 22nd, 2012
6:14 pm

Brilliant, if Aunt Clara had a mustache she would be Uncle Fred..

The Tide is Rolling and Nothing can stop it

June 22nd, 2012
6:20 pm

Geez. You guys are the biggest dreamers in college football.

The Tide is Rolling and Nothing can stop it

June 22nd, 2012
6:24 pm

DawginLex,

Do you have a source of a player not qualifying at UGA, but able to qualify at Bama/LSU or another top-tier program?

kingdaddy

June 22nd, 2012
6:28 pm

Altamaha, I tried but the filter got me.
BTW, TOSS WEEP, you’re on aDawg blog. Take your opinion about Altamaha’s opinion back to your mom’s basement. “Dingle-berry Whine”…

Ole Big Dawg

June 22nd, 2012
6:30 pm

Believe the Dawgs finished 6th and 7th in 03 and 04…..knockin on the door those years too!

kingdaddy

June 22nd, 2012
6:34 pm

Obammy
Nothing good ever came out of your mouth, liar, thief and loser…

RHall55

June 22nd, 2012
7:00 pm

Main reasons for downfall for UGA this season and possibly years to come (will not call these guys Coaches until they prove me wrong)! 1) Play calling by Mike Bobo; needs no explanation 2) Recruiting gaffs by Rodney Garner; he has already blown the chance for Nkemdiche!! 3) Depth on OL by Gomer Friend; only (3) LOI’s last year and no in-state linemen recrutited!! Until these three improve or are replaced by more competent Coaches, UGA will not win a NC!! Remember the past DC, he is a position Coach @ AU; will always be a position Coach and that what he is qualified for!! CMR, c’mon Man, open your eyes and see what UGA could do with the right people in place; that is your job as CEO of UGA Football !!!!!

Across the wide Missouri

June 22nd, 2012
7:06 pm

Missouri 37, Georgia 10

All Saints

June 22nd, 2012
7:11 pm

As we head into the weekend, in tribute to our beloved martyred Saint Jan Kemp, let’s all bow our heads for a few moments of silent prayer. Thirty years ago, this courageous young lady risked everything to expose the corruption and academic fraud instigated by Vince Dooley, sleazy practices that continue to this day under Mark Richt.

And now, let us all pray for Saint Jan…
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Thank you, you can now resume your normal activities.

kingdaddy

June 22nd, 2012
7:15 pm

While we’re praying, please say a prayer for G.T.s football program.. May it rest in pieces…

kingdaddy

June 22nd, 2012
7:20 pm

Trolls love to tell us what we’re doing wrong, so we can keep beating their mushy brains out, lol. Don’t trust a troll. They only want what’s worst for us…

evil empire

June 22nd, 2012
7:22 pm

guess it’s ok to talk about the past when its all you got…wilson pickett said it right earlier…if uga had played bama (or Lsu, or missy state) in 1980, all yall would have is herschel’s trans am photo’s and memories of a bluebonnet bowl loss to brag about…

evil empire

June 22nd, 2012
7:23 pm

since we are playin’ “might have been”..

gimmeabreak

June 22nd, 2012
7:27 pm

When ugh starts playing football teams and win they may could compete for a national title. Look at their schedule this year. Give me a break.

Ole Big Dawg

June 22nd, 2012
7:32 pm

I agree kingdaddy…love watching the Dawgs beat the stew out of all these folks teams….make Ole Big Dawg chuckle.

Deacon Blues

June 22nd, 2012
8:02 pm

Slightly above average coach, but always mediocre results. The beat goes on!!

bucket

June 22nd, 2012
8:04 pm

Good Lord guys – give it a rest! If you are going to get so riled up over the Junkyard Blawg then we kindly invite you not to ever read it again! Trust me – you won’t be missed. The FACT of the matter is that IF the current proposed playoff system had been in place for several decades, THEN UGA would have either qualified for the playoff or been in serious contention several times. That is the facts, if you don’t like the facts then you have “UGA Obsession Disorder” and shouldn’t be reading about UGA matters anyway. With the changes going to a vote this week it was an entirely appropriate exercise for the writer of the Junkyard Blawg to take a look backwards and see how the new rules would have impacted past seasons for UGA.

evil empire

June 22nd, 2012
8:09 pm

yeah, yeah, whatever…

Ole Big Dawg

June 22nd, 2012
8:12 pm

Bucket….ditto that statement…UGA has long and storied football program and success…..that will never end. Not in our great state. Think UGA is the 10th winningest program of all time.

Beast from the East

June 22nd, 2012
8:15 pm

Not sure how the SEC would have fared in the playoffs until the last 6 years or so. We certainly had some good teams in the 90’s, but FSU and Nebraska were pretty stout back then. That 95 Husker team was the best I’ve ever seen. In the early 2000’s, UT, UF and Bama were not very good. SC was still thought of like UK. LSU was on the rise with Saban and Richt was still cutting his teeth, despite a great year in 2002. Miami, Texas, USC and OSU were still probably the best teams the years they won it all.

Hobo Joe

June 22nd, 2012
8:31 pm

It took these clowns 6 months to come up with the so-called playoff? What a joke.

Here’s the 5 second fix. 16 team playoff from average of end of year polls. Done.

bucket

June 22nd, 2012
8:33 pm

@ Beast – I think you provided a fair assessment. UF, LSU, Bama, and AU have certainly taken turns dominating recently, but prior to this stretch there were some really good teams to the North and West. My personal opinion is that a playoff wouldn’t have changed the eventual champion recently because the BCS has generally produced the #1 and #2 teams (although I would have loved for UGA to have had a shot at LSU in 2007), but prior to this recent run by the SEC there were some years when a playoff would have been really fun when the conferences were tied to bowls and the “Championship Game” wasn’t always between the #1 and #2 teams.

Chiefdawg

June 22nd, 2012
8:38 pm

O you can bet your life ESPN will find a way to screw UGA.

01HAWK

June 22nd, 2012
8:41 pm

SLOW DAY at the AJC………………..Couldn’t find……………………..ALL THINGS BAMA to talk about.

Ole Big Dawg

June 22nd, 2012
8:43 pm

I agree…slow week in recruiting…..hoping to ser the Dawgs collar a few of these boys in the coming weeks!

evil empire

June 22nd, 2012
8:54 pm

O you can bet your life ESPN will find a way to screw UGA.

don’t think uga needs any help in that area…they have choking down to an art form…

SSIgator

June 22nd, 2012
8:55 pm

TossSweep -

June 22nd, 2012
6:03 pm

Altamaha, Please try not to make people think you know a lot.
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You think his comments reflect that he has such a high of an opinion of himself now? Brother, you better strap yourself in once the college football season gets underway. As the saying goes – You Ain’t Seen Nothing Yet.

SSIgator

June 22nd, 2012
9:06 pm

TossSweep -

Also, when Nancy and Joey are on at the same time, the blog comments counter goes crazy. If Bill King is being compensated on a per-click rate, he starts making plans for that second home he always wanted at the beach.