Fan talk: UGA’s football players must battle ‘soft’ reputation

Offensive lineman Cordy Glenn, just drafted by the Buffalo Bills, started 50 games for the Georgia Bulldogs. (University of Georgia)

Offensive lineman Cordy Glenn, just drafted by the Buffalo Bills, started 50 games for the Georgia Bulldogs. (University of Georgia)

Let’s jump straight into some of this week’s Junkyard Mail …

Robert Nesbitt writes: Junkyard, I heard on the [NFL] draft coverage of the 1st round something that has me hopping mad. Gil Brandt, the resident draft guru, was pontificating on why Cordy Glenn may not have been drafted. Gil indicated it is well known Georgia players do much better in the pros (than college)and that Glenn (and by association) other Bulldogs are soft in they way they play college ball. This burns me up, because the truth hurts. What are your thoughts?

This isn’t the first time we’ve heard this rap on Georgia players. NFL scouts were dissing the strength and conditioning of Mark Richt’s players at least a couple of years before the head coach decided an overhall of the conditioning staff was in order. And while the team overall looked stronger last year, the fourth-quarter fade in the bowl game showed there’s still room for improvement in that regard. Of course, Georgia has still had 57 draft picks in the past 10 years (tops in the SEC), though the rate has fallen off somewhat in the past five years. Still, I’m not sure Brandt’s citing of the Dawgs’ reputation around the league for being “soft” was really at play in Glenn not getting drafted until the Bills took him in the 41st spot in the second round. There was some talk about him occasionally showing lazy technique, plus there probably were questions about his weight (somewhere in the vicinity of 345), though he’s shown himself to be remarkably quick for a big man. More likely there were questions about his suitability at tackle, since he was a guard for 32 of his 50 starts at UGA. Still, those 50 starts for a team playing in the SEC (tying Clint Boling’s record for a UGA offensive lineman) belie the “soft” tag and it should be noted that another draft guru, Jon Gruden, professed himself “shocked” that Glenn was still available in the second round. “I thought he was a legitimate first rounder. He’s handled consistently SEC competition,” Gruden said. But back to your overall point: Joe Tereshinski has only had one season to turn things around in the strength and conditioning department. It’ll take some demonstrable improvement there to get rid of the Dogs’ previous reputation among NFL types.

Terry Lively writes: Bill, I appreciate your insights. I just have to ask: Why do you think the Dawgs consistently struggle in recruiting the offensive line position? This is prompted by the most recent “should have had him” in Max Garcia. We have the need, we have the skill players and we have the offensive style (allegedly) that should make it attractive for MANY linemen, yet we always seem to lose way more than we win. Take Garcia — wanted to be closer to home, an OT (and Lord knows we need them), and we were his leader at least at one point … but we lost him. Tell me where I’m off in my assessment or why you think we are always lagging at that position. And by the way, yes I know it’s a long way to signing day, but we seem to say that every year down the stretch but don’t close well in this area, and right now out of 15 commitments we have ONE OL on the board. It just doesn’t make sense given the opportunity in Athens.

We all know the offensive line has been a weak point for Richt’s program in recent years and recruiting no doubt lies at the heart of that. Of course, Will Friend is only in his second year as OL coach but, yeah, letting Maryland transfer Max Garcia slip away falls on him. The Georgia native left the Terps because he wanted to play closer to home and listed Georgia as his favorite early on. You can’t say Georgia doesn’t ever get quality OL players, though. John Theus, who’ll join the team this summer, is a highly touted five-star signee. And while three-star tackle Aulden Bynum is currently the only offensive lineman committed to Georgia in the 2013 class, recruiting experts see the Dogs having a good shot at quite a few others, including five-star player Laremy Tunsil. The Dawgs are considered likely to sign several tackles and another center and guard or two. I’m not ready to write off Georgia’s OL recruiting just on the basis of not snagging Garcia.

Steve Yearta writes: First, I thought that we should be as good as last year; maybe [Aaron] Murray will make it through the season without throwing pick 6’s at inopportune times; the running back corps will be vastly improved; and the OL and special teams probably won’t be any worse; and we’ll wind up winning 10 and losing 3. Now, however, I’ve drifted to: the offensive line will not be, even with the starters healthy, a strength and if, heaven forbid, injuries occur, it will be a struggle to have any consistency; no, [Murray] hasn’t beaten a good team yet, and I have great concern about his effectiveness and health if the OL is ineffective; and considering the lack of attention to special teams under this regime who knows what will happen there? Obviously, my concerns are with the offense and special teams. I think the defensive line and backers are excellent and can probably cover up some deficiencies in the defensive backfield. I wouldn’t be surprised if we wound up losing 1 game or 5. Just too hard to read this team. Thanks for your blog!

You’re right that on first blush it’s easy to think that in 2012 Georgia should at the very least repeat as SEC East champ and perhaps be a bit better than the 2011 team. But, as you correctly note, there are a lot of questions still to be answered. As I’ve made clear here, Murray isn’t among my primary worries. I’m much more concerned about the offensive line and whether it will allow our impressive stable of tailbacks to get anything going. And, as you noted, there’s a huge question mark hanging over special teams play. Until we see how the freshman specialists perform and whether the offseason tinkering improves kick coverage, that must remain on the list of the Dogs’ major liabilities.

Will competition from new running backs provide a spark for Isaiah Crowell? (Associated Press)

Will competition from new running backs provide a spark for Isaiah Crowell? (Associated Press)

On a more positive note, Jerry Cochran writes: Bill, I truly believe Mark Richt’s team this year has a chance to be special. I know the offensive line has to be rebuilt and we’re going to be missing some starters in the secondary against Missouri, but I really feel Aaron Murray is about to come into his own and I’m just plain excited by the prospects in the running game. I think the addition of Keith Marshall and Todd Gurley is going to spark Isaiah Crowell to fully live up to his potential and give Georgia the kind of versatility in the running game that LSU showed this past season. Am I being overly optimistic?

A lot depends on how the OL develops, in terms of both Murray’s progression at QB and the running game, but if that unit can gel before the South Carolina game, Georgia’s defense plays up to its considerable capabilities and the aforementioned special teams situation stablizes, the 2012 Dawgs certainly could be a Top 5 team.

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466 comments Add your comment

DawginLex

April 30th, 2012
1:46 pm

You all see once again, that tide roll, SSI and the interception idiot won’t answer questions directly because the answers prove them to be:

TROLLS!!!

Just drive by flamers

tide roll is a Tech fan. That’s why he doesn’t know anything about the players at Bama.

DawginLex

April 30th, 2012
1:47 pm

rescue dog got his wittle feelings hurt

poor thing

be careful

April 30th, 2012
1:53 pm

Rumor has it Red Jello amy visit the AJC blogs this afternoon.

Brainiac

April 30th, 2012
2:02 pm

@ Tech Rules:(12:42pm post)

Your’s is the best of so few positives sent today.

Very well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RamboDog

April 30th, 2012
2:04 pm

@ tech rules… we don’t need to wait till football season. Let’s discuss soon, “little girl” .

harold

April 30th, 2012
2:13 pm

LSU PLAYERS SAID UGA WAS “PANTING OUT OF BREATH” IN THE FOURTH QUARTER OF THE SEC TITLE GAME. THEY SAID YOU COULD SEE IT IN THEIR EYES ” UGA PLAYERS JUST GAVE UP!”

DawginLex

April 30th, 2012
2:13 pm

What is absolutely sad is that I can go over to a Tech board, Bama board, Auburn, florida etc and actually talk football.

Here all I do is spend my time beating off TROLLS

Brainiac

April 30th, 2012
2:14 pm

@ Lag dawg:

You must be on the juice early today!!

Do you have ANY idea what Chizik’s won/loss record is???

If not for Auburn boosters buying him a OUTSTANDING QB he would have been fired by now!!!!

Auburn beats UGA about as often as GT does!!!!!!

You may be a Kiffen fan but that guy has no scruples so I guess that doesn’t bother the likes of you!!!

SSIgator

April 30th, 2012
2:40 pm

DawginLex -

“all I do is spend my time beating off TROLLS”

I always wondered why you were here all day, every day. Drop the word TROLLS from your sentence above and we now know why. That would put you in good company with AltamahaDawg. He likes conversations that have the word “panties” included in them. You two have fun, Nancy. Oh, and please take your pills soon. You have been cranky for much longer than usual today.

AltamahaDawg

April 30th, 2012
2:45 pm

He’s claims to be a grown man, folks. I kid you not.

DawginLex

April 30th, 2012
2:49 pm

SSI=COWARD

And a sick minded one to boot

Sad and pathetic

DawginLex

April 30th, 2012
2:58 pm

SSI

you going to Jacksonville this year?

I would love to meet you in person and shove my fist down your throat.

Let me know nancy boy

That will pretty much settle the fact that I’m not female

AltamahaDawg

April 30th, 2012
3:14 pm

That would not be as nearly brutal as watching the other Gator Fans so obviously trying to ignore him.

SSIgator

April 30th, 2012
3:23 pm

Uh, oh. DawginLex is into fisting? Wow, you and your boyfriend must have a real interesting time when you two are together. Nothing like the snap of a latex glove to get him to pay attention, eh?

14 Titles

April 30th, 2012
3:27 pm

Nick’s got another #1 class, with a loaded roster, going for title #15 in 2012. RTR!!

AltamahaDawg

April 30th, 2012
3:40 pm

So, you equate your face with your behind?

Mobile Dawg

April 30th, 2012
3:44 pm

Frankly it would seem like Bill would police these blogs and get rid of the freaks. Did I read that an NFL player personnel guy said the Dogs were considered “soft” by college standards?

DawginLex

April 30th, 2012
3:45 pm

SSI

you are one sick little pathetic person

Offer remains

Let me know what gate 30 minutes before kickoff

i bet you have a dress fitting planned and won’t make the trip LOL

DawginLex

April 30th, 2012
3:47 pm

14 titles

how come Saban has never had a pro bowler?

“No pro bowl player has ever played his last year of college under Nick Saban at LSU or Alabama.”

No question he does great things with them in college but the UGA guys play in the league longer and perform better.

Just askin’

Mobile Dawg

April 30th, 2012
3:53 pm

Nick Saban has won “three” titles at “two” schools since Richt has been at UGA. Anyone in the know, outside the “kool aid” krowd in Dawg Nation knows Mark Richt has no respect as a “football coach”. Keep holding onto the hope, that and a dime used to buy you a cup of coffee.

My money says the 2012 Dawgs will find a way to self destruct. Last year we lost our running backs, no Oline “performance”, and the punter and kicker both disappeared. It’s tough to be optimistic when we’ve seen what Richt has done the last few years.

Mobile Dawg

April 30th, 2012
3:55 pm

Lex, I believe it’s because UGA recruits and signs great raw talent. The staff just can’t coach them up while they’re there.

DawginLex

April 30th, 2012
4:03 pm

Could be but why do the Saban trained players not stay in the NFL or do as well?

Mt cody-ZERO sacks in 2011

It could change going forward but right now, Bama has nothing to brag about regarding NFL performance. Just getting them drafted

DawginLex

April 30th, 2012
4:05 pm

Mobile if we go less than 13-1 this year, I will not be happy

i’m tired of the excuses too

The OL will be good enough and has more depth and young talent than we have had in awhile.

The defense has 7 guys that will get drafted early in 2013.

I say this is the time

AltamahaDawg

April 30th, 2012
4:07 pm

Saban doesn’t recruit and sign great raw talent?

Mobile Dawg

April 30th, 2012
4:10 pm

That’s true. I don’t have a big interest in the NFL, but I do keep up with the players from time to time. I heard the NFL was doing away with the Pro Bowl a few days ago. Either way, I would take a couple of National Championships vs PB appearances, as you probably would too.

AltamahaDawg

April 30th, 2012
4:12 pm

Somehow in your gratuitus slam of the Georgia Coaches, you whiffed on answering his actual question.

Mobile Dawg

April 30th, 2012
4:13 pm

Reports are he’s got the number one class in college football again. I’m with Lex, it’s time to put up or move on.

Mobile Dawg

April 30th, 2012
4:17 pm

Honestly Alt, his “question” wasn’t directed at me, I was just getting the “sporadic frustration” off my chest. If you were building a get rid of Richt mountain, the pile just got higher with Brandt’s comment.

AltamahaDawg

April 30th, 2012
4:18 pm

So, you believe the reason that Georgia players tend to do better in the NFL (than Saban’s history of NFL players) is that Saban get BETTER talent and coaches them up more?

Mobile Dawg

April 30th, 2012
4:23 pm

No, I don’t believe there is a reason that UGA players do better in the NFL, other than coincidence. Saban is a better “college football” coach than Mark Richt, period.

AltamahaDawg

April 30th, 2012
4:25 pm

I’ve also read comments from other analyst tha thave said said that previous Georgia player come in very well coached and ready for the league. Thier success in the NFL should logically tell you more than some “soft” comment. I just find his wording odd at best. His qualifier was.” Do better in the NFL” ? well, yea. Its called professional sports for a reason.

Its also beenbantered about a bit in the fine print that he was talking specifically about that player, because of his size and weight.

Although nobody disputes that out S&C needed a new approach a couple of years ago, which was handled.

Mobile Dawg

April 30th, 2012
4:28 pm

So you think our players haven’t been softening up over the last 5 years or so, and have been coached up just fine?

Gary

April 30th, 2012
4:29 pm

If the running game improves Murry will not have to throw on third and five on our own 20. I am concerned the reason for the weak forth quarter play is that we do not have enough quality subs and we are leaving the talent on the field too long. That being said a tired guy who knows what he is doing better better than a rookie getting burned. Are players are not soft. We just lack depth.

AltamahaDawg

April 30th, 2012
4:31 pm

No argument he is a better college coach than Richt at thisbpoint of thier careers. . Said that a number of times. He happens to not be coaching at Georgia, nor would that be a good fit. .(which is why I never understand why so many Georgia fans keep talking as if he could be)

However, I would assume 10 yrs from (which is how much longer he has been doing it) Richt, or anybody else would be better.

AltamahaDawg

April 30th, 2012
4:35 pm

That’s not the guestion that was asked.

But since you asked me. I don’t think having soft, poorly coached players is a very logical answer to the question of how Georgia keeps putting successful long term players in the NFL.

SSIgator

April 30th, 2012
4:37 pm

DawginLex -

We will be where we are every year before and after the game in Jax, parked in our reserved spot in the Touchdown Lot next to the statium on the East side. We will put up a sign for you so you won’t have any problem finding us. Also, don’t use LOL in your writings. AltamahaDawg doesn’t like that.

Brownies and Milk

April 30th, 2012
4:39 pm

@DawgsinLex if we go less than 13-1 this year, I will not be happy (4:05 PM)

Well, I hate 2B the bearer of bad news but the Dawgs will lose more than one game this year.

Perhaps the soft label has been issued since Slive has given the Dawgs such soft schedules in back-to-back years?

“I think I’ll have a little snack…ummm Brownies.” (Fade to Black)

Mobile Dawg

April 30th, 2012
4:42 pm

I’ve read your not a good fit, but don’t agree. I ‘do think he would not have the free rein under the current UGA administration he enjoys at Alabama, so that would be the only reason IMO he wouldn’t be a good fit. The UGA program needs a Leader that instills “all” the values of a successful organization. I seriously question Richt’s abilty to consistently make the right moves required to keep an organization “lean” and “finely” tuned, over the long haul. I also doubt his backbone and fortitude when it comes to making tough decisions. You say he’s made them, I say he’s taken way to long to act when it’s been necessary.

To me when it becomes obvious to all of us that a change needs to be made, a good leader would have been able to see things internally breaking down well before they impacted the organization and acted in advance to avoid the letdown. Granted, there are probably not a large number of “great” leaders out there. It’s also hard to fire your friends and family.

Gotta run for the afternoon, responsiblity’s a calling.

be careful

April 30th, 2012
4:44 pm

No argument he is a better college coach than Richt at thisbpoint of thier careers.

nor will he EVER be..dummy

Ed Reynolds

April 30th, 2012
5:29 pm

The Dawgs have major problems: Lack of discipline shown by off field behavior and on field penalties and lack of stamina as shown in the second half of games. Sabin will not tolerate any of these.
Also, the Dawgs need to have power running inside to keep defenses off balance.
“Clock against Georgia, Scoreboard against Georgia…the Dawgs will not quit” —-You don’t hear that anymore.

Old Dawg

April 30th, 2012
5:44 pm

“not least of all CMR, dean of SEC coaches, winningest coach in the SEC, fastest SEC HC to reach 100 career wins(6th fastest in the nation) and never landed UGA on probation and certainly, under NO CIRCUMSTANCES, would ever play ANY player that doesn’t give UGA the best chance of winning.”

And who has NEVER led Georgia to a National Championship and has not had a SEC championship since 2005!

Old Dawg

April 30th, 2012
5:47 pm

“Mobile if we go less than 13-1 this year, I will not be happy

i’m tired of the excuses too”

So, Dawginlex – does that mean if we are less than 13-1, you will join the rest of us in calling for Richt to be fired?

Old Dawg

April 30th, 2012
5:48 pm

Or will you just not be happy, but still “support (blindly) your coach”.

AltamahaDawg

April 30th, 2012
6:24 pm

Yes, its one of the reason, the MAIN reason. How many deal breakers does it take?

Snoop Dawg

April 30th, 2012
6:25 pm

Do DawginLex and AltamahaDawg have jobs? Sounds like they are unemployed…

Which explains why they don’t have a problem with Richt’s three million a year in unearned income…

AltamahaDawg

April 30th, 2012
6:29 pm

Wanna put my professional life up against yours Snoop. Please say yes.

AltamahaDawg

April 30th, 2012
6:35 pm

The fact is: most of your big talkers are pure hypocrits. You blame us for the problems becasue we choose to behave in a mature manner about our college football team, but YOU do exactly not a damn thing about it either.Big talk, no plan. No action.

None of you would have fired Richt by now if it actually fell on you to run the AD, And none of you would fire him if he goes 12-2 this year either.

But OH how you will pretend you would.

Old Dawg

April 30th, 2012
7:16 pm

“If Murray makes the same mistakes this year, it will be bad all around and could cost Richt or Bobo their jobs.”

Yeah, right! Probably they would give Richt and Bobo raises, and Richt will insist on giving AM more snaps (against cupcakes, of course).

SSIgator

April 30th, 2012
7:25 pm

AltamahaDawg -

“None of you would have fired Richt by now if it actually fell on you to run the AD”

I think you would find general agreement among the realists that Richt should have probably been fired after the 2010 season, but hey, I have been wrong before. Why don’t you call it a night like DawginLex has and come back tomorrow well rested. After a good nights sleep you and DawginLex can once more pick up your swords and defend Richt until it is only the two of you left.

SSIgator

April 30th, 2012
7:34 pm

Snoop Dawg -

“Do DawginLex and AltamahaDawg have jobs? Sounds like they are unemployed”

They are paid officers in the Kool-Aid Club, but when it stops flowing they will have to try and get real jobs. Good luck with that on your resume.