Fan talk: Should Georgia and Clemson meet more often in football?

Georgia-ClemsonMark Richt’s Bulldogs hold their first scrimmage of the spring Saturday, and Saturday is also the deadline for Hartman Fund contributors to get their football season ticket orders in. If you’re sending it in by snail mail, it has to be postmarked March 31. Or you can order online here.

Meanwhile, the uncertainty hanging over the Georgia-Clemson series in 2013-14 as the ACC goes to a nine-game conference schedule appears to have lifted.

After telling 790 The Zone this week that he was optimistic the games would be played, Clemson athletic director Terry Don Phillips (and doesn’t that sound like the perfect name for a Clempson AD?) was a bit more emphatic talking Friday to “Bottom line is this: We are going to play Georgia,” Phillips told the site. “I can’t tell you how we are going to put all of the pieces together, but we are going to play Georgia in 2013 here and in 2014 we are going to Athens. We’re committed to the Georgia series.”

Phillips went on to say that “Coach [Dabo] Swinney definitely wants to play that series. I want to play it because the people would call in and say, ‘Hey, there’s a reason we scheduled Georgia.’ Our people want to see Georgia. It’s a great addition to our schedule and so we had a great conversation with Georgia. We are committed to playing that series. We’ve got some challenges associated with it, but we are going to play that series.”

As I’ve noted before, because of the proximity between the two schools, the Georgia-Clemson rivalry was one of our most intense back when the Dawgs and Tigers played almost every year, on a par with the rivalries with Florida and Tech, and I firmly believe the two schools should schedule each other on at least a semi-regular basis, the continuing appetite for cupcakes notwithstanding.

So I think this is great news.

Speaking of which, I got a question in this week’s Junkyard Mail on a related subject. …

Rip Roberts writes: Considering all the difficulties Georgia and Clemson are having scheduling each other in football during the regular season, I was wondering what you thought of Dabo Swinney’s recent talk about how the two programs should meet in a spring game that would take the place of their intrasquad scrimmages. I like the idea! What say you, Bill?

Dabo Swinney recently brought up the idea of spring exhibition games again. (Associated Press)

Dabo Swinney recently brought up the idea of spring exhibition games again. (Associated Press)

Back when Dabo first brought this idea up a couple of years ago, I polled Blawg readers on the subject and 83 percent were in favor of Georgia and Clemson playing a spring game.

As I said then, I like the concept of a spring exhibition game. A lot. In fact, I’d like it even if it weren’t Clemson, but considering the two schools’ athletic history and close proximity to each other, I think the Tigers would be the perfect opponent for such a game.

The likelihood of injuries wouldn’t seem to be much greater than in an intrasquad game. In fact, just about the only downside I can think of to an exhibition like this is that even if the two schools agreed ahead of time that they would play second- and third-stringers, the full roster wouldn’t get as much playing time as it does when you divide up the Dogs into the Red and Black teams.

But the excitement generated by playing another team would certainly get the players revved up more. And such a match would more closely resemble the pressures of a real game.

Where to play a spring exhibition game? I suppose the easiest thing would be to make it at least a two-year deal and play home-and-home in Athens and Clemson. Or maybe this would be a good opportunity for the two programs to play a game in Atlanta other than in a Chick-fil-A bowl or kickoff game.

Overall, I prefer Georgia and Clemson meeting during the regular season, but the ACC expanding its conference schedule means that in the future it might be difficult for the two schools to meet home-and-home even once a decade. Which makes the spring exhibition idea that much more enticing.

What do you think? Should Georgia and Clemson try to meet on a regular basis in football, whether it’s regular season or spring? Feel free to share your views.

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93 comments Add your comment

Dr. Morpheus

March 31st, 2012
11:12 am


March 31st, 2012
11:17 am

Well said, Dr. Morpheus.


March 31st, 2012
11:23 am

Wet Willie...keep on smiling

March 31st, 2012
11:31 am

not a good plan for W’s and L’s.


March 31st, 2012
11:32 am

Scheduling cupcakes is a disservice to the fans. Schedule UGA vs Clemson. Schedule GT vs Auburn. Drop a Buffalo or a Presbyterian and make it happen.


March 31st, 2012
11:53 am

If the games continue in the future, I hope Mr. McGarity does a better job than Mr. Dooley did as AD in making sure the Georgia fans receive decent seating in their stadium. I’ve attended games there where Georgia fans were spread out throughout the stadium and the Redcoat band was forced to stand up under some trees at the top of the stadium. Not very conducive for “getting behind the team”.


March 31st, 2012
12:02 pm

Great for fans and the teams. Each team should get a much more clear idea of each side of the ball. Makes perfect sense.


March 31st, 2012
12:07 pm

Let’s just hope UGA has enough players to play Clemson by 2013.

Dawg Haus

March 31st, 2012
12:14 pm

Either way is good with me.

Larry W Tucker

March 31st, 2012
12:15 pm

It’s a win for Clemson or any other BCS School given our record of starters being suspended the first game. No wonder they want us so bad. Big money game against out walk ons. Win Win

LowCountry XPlant

March 31st, 2012
12:20 pm

During the regular season, definitely. No one wants to watch the Dawgs play cupcakes. During the spring? I guess I’m just a traditionlist. The spring is for instruction and teaching, not playing games and generating revenue. IMHO.

Frank Lane

March 31st, 2012
12:34 pm

Prefer the Spring game idea

A Father

March 31st, 2012
12:38 pm

UGA want play anyone but patsies. Our leadership is terrible and all about the MONEY! They are robbing the cookie jar and GA alumni continue to allow it to happen. AJC sportswriters are chkn shts to even demand financial records of UGA athletic department.

East Repeat

March 31st, 2012
12:49 pm

Dabo is just busy suggesting ideas so everyone will forget about his bowl game beat down. His name is Dabo- no one except Klimson hicks take him seriously. Yea, Cow college is on the rise, he-he. Gave up 70 to Big East team. ACC and klimpson major embarassement. Dabo gone soon, may not make it through year. if he makes it to end, his 4th lose in a row to SC should be the nail in the coffin.

East Repeat

March 31st, 2012
12:54 pm

I do feel for UGA. Someone wrote yesterday that CMR refused to keep the first offense “in-house” with no public punishment, bewxcause of his high character and christian faith. Other schools keep first time quiet and intervene with athlete to prevent future incidents, so no public scorn. I guess this doesn’t really apply to lastes incidentst (2nd offense for both), but I do see UGA fans point about UGA being tougher than other schools. first offense should be kept in house. I know all other teams have these same incidents (SC, AL, AU,TN, etc…) as they are all pulling from the same pool of athletes.


March 31st, 2012
1:03 pm

I have no problem playing Clemson every year as long as we drop Georgia Tech. Take your choose. One or the other but we would be idiots to play both every year . All you are doing is making your schedule harder when other national schools make sure they play 4 1-AA teams every year. Also it helps the ACC get more credibility at the expense of the SEC.


March 31st, 2012
1:13 pm

I don’t think of Clemson at all.


March 31st, 2012
1:13 pm

Alternate tech and Clemson each year in Athens, Georgia owns both of them in the series and shouldn’t do a home and home with them.


March 31st, 2012
1:17 pm

A father, crawl back in your hole, You are one of the least knowledgeable people that post.All you people that want to play a big name team week in and week out have never played a down of football in the SEC or you would feel differently..


March 31st, 2012
1:18 pm

I don’t like the uneven playing field of drug testing or scheduling. UGA has a right to play the same cupcakes as UF and others. Otherwise, we can be punished in the polls and bowls for losing to a top 25 team while others beat a team ranked 100th. I think a spring scrimmage is a great idea!

Bill Lee

March 31st, 2012
1:24 pm

Georgia and Kentucky are alike in their drug testing: so,I guess that we can expect Kentucky like seasons of 8 and 4 won/lost…

Hey, SSI...

March 31st, 2012
1:28 pm

…obviously those band members “under some trees” was a LOOOONNNNGGGG time ago, as there are no trees under which to stand, at least inside the stadium.

And, the seats the visiting teams’ fans now get at Clemson are no worse than the seats visiting fans get at UGA – both teams give the upper eschelons of their stadiums to the visiting teams fans, except for a few seats in the lower levels at both schools…

Hey, "A Father"...

March 31st, 2012
1:32 pm

…the UGA athletic department does allow its financial records to be reviewed annually, just as all departments of the university does (and has too). It is the Hartmann Fund, and other PRIVATE foundations at UGA and all other big time universities that does not share their financial information – and there is no reason for them to share it, since, afterall, they arePRIVATE organizations that offer money to the university in support of athletics, and there is NO REASON for them to share how good, or bad, they are doing, financially speaking…


March 31st, 2012
1:37 pm

“Should Georgia and Clemson meet more often in football?”

Sure, why not. UGA can’t win the SEC Championship. Might as well give it a shot over in the ACC. If they do well, maybe the ACC would consider dropping Duke for football and putting UGA in their place. 1980 – so long ago.


March 31st, 2012
1:49 pm

Nice article g dawgs


March 31st, 2012
1:56 pm


March 31st, 2012
1:03 pm
I have no problem playing Clemson every year as long as we drop Georgia Tech. Take your choose. One or the other but we would be idiots to play both every year . All you are doing is making your schedule harder when other national schools make sure they play 4 1-AA teams every year. Also it helps the ACC get more credibility at the expense of the SEC.
Your fear is palpable.

Would you rather watch the Bulldogs play 4 1-AA teams every year or play more FBS schools located in the same region?

Wet Willie...keep on smiling

March 31st, 2012
2:13 pm

you better schedule somebody you can beat!

Another dog takes a hike….LOL…..UGA = trainwreck U


March 31st, 2012
3:27 pm

Look SSIgator worry about your on team.
2/16/2012 — Florida tight end A.C. Leonard charged with simple domestic battery.
1/19/2012 — Florida defensive tackle Leon Orr was charged with possession of marijuana under 20 grams and possession of drug paraphernalia.
10/19/2011 — Florida cornerback Marcus Roberson charged with underage drinking.
8/4/2011 — Florida defensive back De’Ante Saunders charged with possession of marijuana.
4/24/2011 — Florida defensive end Chris Martin and linebacker Kedric Johnson charged with possession of less than 20 grams of marijuana.
4/23/2011 — Florida cornerback Janoris Jenkins charged with possession of less than 20 grams of marijuana. He was subsequently dismissed from the UF football program.
1/24/2011 — Florida cornerback Janoris Jenkins was arrested for possession of marijuana.

Dawg 39

March 31st, 2012
4:37 pm

Playing Clemson will put a strain on staying healthy & competitive over a 12 game schedule.
Great for season ticket holders but does not bode as well for the overall W – L record.
i would rather see some teams that the Dawgs can get some rest against.


March 31st, 2012
5:50 pm

If Lott and Deas are so good, and it’s such a disaster that they are leaving, perhaps we’ll see them sign up with Alabama — Saban must be dying to get his hands on these guys, right?

On the other hand, practice dummies are a necessity…


March 31st, 2012
6:14 pm

I can see why clemson would want to play us but r eally dc ont see what we have to gain by playing them. For christs sake, has everybody already forgotten the colorado debacle, Ok st, central fla boise st etc. News flash we dont have saban, miles or even petrino. we have richt. we can lose to anyone at any time. once we have a coach that scares someone,players and opps alike we can think about playing the 800 lb gorilla again. this is from somebody who was there for the scott woerner kevin butler and tomahawk chop clemson games. i just hate being embarrassed constantly by inferior talent. although dabo underachieves about in the same realm as richt


March 31st, 2012
7:16 pm

is that dabo sweeney or greg mcgarrity in an orange shirt?


March 31st, 2012
9:10 pm

Terry Don Phillips
Current position
Title Athletic Director
Team Clemson
Conference ACC
Playing career
1966–1969 Arkansas
Position(s) Defensive Tackle
Coaching career (HC unless noted)
1971–1978 Arkansas (GA)
Virginia Tech (Asst.)
Administrative career (AD unless noted)
Arkansas (Sr. Assoc. AD)
Oklahoma St.
Terry Don Phillips is the current Athletic director at Clemson University.

Phillips played defensive tackle at Arkansas from 1966–1969. He remained at Arkansas as a graduate assistant for the 1970 and 1971 seasons, before moving to Virginia Tech as an assistant coach. Phillips left Virginia Tech after 1978.
[edit]Administrative career

In 1980, Phillips became athletic director at Liberty University. He moved to Louisiana–Lafayette in 1983, before returning to his alma mater in 1988 as Senior Associate Athletic Director.
Phillips stayed at Arkansas until 1994, when he moved to Oklahoma State. Under Phillips, the Cowboys basketball team continued their success under coach Eddie Sutton, reaching the NCAA Final Four in 1995 and the Elite Eight in 2000. In football, Phillips hired coach Les Miles in 2001, who would turn the program around and lead the team to 3 straight bowl bids after Phillips left the school.
In 2002 Phillips left Oklahoma State for Clemson. There, he has overseen the hiring of basketball coaches Oliver Purnell in 2003 and Brad Brownell in 2010. He also promoted Dabo Swinney to head football coach and oversaw the “WestZone” expansion of Memorial Stadium in 2006.
Phillips was inducted into the University of Arkansas Sports Hall of Honor in 2010.

Bill he has been all over the SEC too. His track record is better than Evans or McGarity as the AD.

Like this game as much as Tech v Auburn


March 31st, 2012
9:37 pm

UGA should not play Clemson unless it is in a bowl game or as a substitue for Ga Tech. UGA already plays So. Carolina each year and they do not need to play another rival team from that state. That is why UF only plays FSU and does not play Miami! It only helps Clemson recruit Georgia and UGA already has enough border rivals.

On second thought, drop Tech and pick up Clemson. It would be a better trip than going to that tiny stadium next to the projects. At least you wouldn’t have to worry about getting carjacked.


March 31st, 2012
9:45 pm

boy you dawgs are chickens & fools that want to Pay good money for high school games. Who cares what other teams do. I can’t believe Richt doesn’t try the FSU model. Play anybody anywhere anytime because it is not like UGa will win a BCS MNC even playing crappy teams.

play it

March 31st, 2012
10:02 pm

omg, if you morons want to win a national title PLAY SOMEBODY, play Clemson and quit with the Charleston Southerns that have junior high school stadiums, what a bunch of cowards you idiots are. Week in and week out, play somebody….isn’t that why you sign all your 5 stars for? To play sisters of the poor and avoid Bama and LSU at all cost? BE A MAN HAVE SOME GUTS FOR GODS SAKE

Sayonara Richt

March 31st, 2012
11:35 pm

Well now I hope the head coach at Georgia will have the dawgs ready when they play whoever the new coach is.


April 1st, 2012
12:01 am

onegadawg -

“That is why UF only plays FSU and does not play Miami!”

Buzzzzzzzzzzzz. Wromg Dwag Breath.

Do a little research next time and you might get to stay in the game.


April 1st, 2012
12:10 am

Terry -

Thanks buddy! For those of us that can’t afford an online subscription to the Florida papers to keep up with the Gators and their misdeeds we we extend “a laurel” and a hearty . . .

Never mind. You probably would not know what that meant even if I explained it to you.

Tim Worley

April 1st, 2012
12:39 am

it is hard to see why we play missura and not play clemsen. just sayin.


April 1st, 2012
1:55 am

Yes Georgia should play Clemson more. And, Lott and Deas were both 99% ers. Everyone can’t be a 1% er. In the world of college football they need ditch diggers too.

Mark Richt will just up and Quit

April 1st, 2012
4:54 am

What for ?

Climpsum Farmers will just get more recruits from Georgia

Mark Richt Signed Scholarships for 2012 to :

1.AJ Harmon SR # 10 OT nation 5-Star, academic failure Flunked-Out, transfer
2.Dontavius Jackson SR # 23 TB 4-Star, DUI duped into driving truck with 6 in truck in Athens with alcohol purchased by Branden Smith with a Driver’s License of Vance Cuff who looks just like Branden Smith only Vance Cuff was over 21, transfer
3.Carlton Thomas SR TB suspended 3 times 2011 alone, 1 of the 3 times Isaiah Crowell, Ken Malcome, and Carlton Thomas were all 3 suspended the same game 1 game AFTER the Florida game for failing a drug test on Thursday two days BEFORE the Florida game, now he transfers – is he one of the 5 who failed the drug test, not disclosed ? Isaiah Crowell ? Ken Malcome again ? Aaron Murray who has been given byes for all his transgressions including POSING for a sex photo him wearing glasses on spring break with 3 men in his motel room ?
4.Brent Benedict SO # 10 OT 4-Star, transfer over Strength & Conditioning
5.Nick Williams SR Safety, transfer could’ve redshirt 2011, should’ve been suspended for late hit, dirty hit trying to hurt star player Tim Tebow, also had Todd Grantham grab him up by the scruff of the neck near end Todd’s 1st G-Day Game and drag him off the field for a similar hit then too.
6.Marcus Dowtin R SR # 7 LB nation 4-Star, transfer could’ve redshirt 2011, charged with second-degree assault in his home state of Maryland in 2010, suspended by coach Mark Richt for the Bulldogs’ bowl game against Michigan State before he transferred, now hopes to be drafted by NFL in 5th round.
7.Bryce Ros JR # 22 TE listed med disq like Jeremy Longo
8.Johnathan Owens SR # 39 OT listed med disq like Jeremy Longo
9.DE Jeremy Longo SR medically disqualified but still on scholarship 2012 free ride so he goes out with Sanders Commings 2 weeks ago when he beat up girl. Jeremy Long and Sanders Commings admit they had 6 drinks then were confronted by Sanders Commings’ live-in girlfriend over it : Good On ‘Ya is all I can say to her. Beat up for it in front of Jeremy Longo him not only doing nothing but actually caused the whole situation when Jeremy Longo doesn’t have to have Spring Practice so he could go out and drink 6 drinks in a hour drunk as a skunk.
10.Xavier Tyrone Avery SR RB, signed 2009 UGA instead baseball. Mark Richt gave him a Scholarship 2009 and he would be a senior RB, had Mark Richt instead signed a REAL RUNNING BACK in 2009 we would not have had all these issues at RB all these years in a row. Xavier was supposed to be RB 2009, 2010 and 2011 when we had NO DEPTH AT RB.
11.Toby Jackson SR # 9 DE 4-Star failed qualify, Flunked-Out before he even got here transfer
12.Makiri Pugh SR Safety CB, transfer Suspended Colorado 11/10/11
13.Montez Robinson SR # 10 DE 4-* beat up girl, kicked off the team after he beat up the girl a student at UGA in good standing. In fact Montez Robinson beat her up or her beat her car up 3 times before Mark Richt kicked him off the team and met with him at the Jail with Mike Bobo, then he transferred
14.Washaun Ealey SR # 15 RB nation 4-Star, suspended 1 game hit and run driving suspended license car owned by Jakar Hamilton, also suspended again later undisclosed not Georgia way, transfer
15.Lonnie Outlaw JR WR failed qualify, transfer
16.Jakar Hamilton SR Safety 4-Star, allowed Ealey drive illegally Jakar’s vehicle breaking a Georgia Law allowing your vehicle to be driven by a person using a suspended license, transfer
17.Derek Owens JR CB, Academic Failure, Flunked-Out, suspended bowl transfer
18.Demetre Baker JR # 23 LB 4-Star, kicked off DUI transfer
19.Jalen Fields JR DE 4-Star, failed qualify, Flunked-Out before he even got here, transfer
20.Kent Turene FR LB failed qualify, Flunked-Out before he even got here, Dream Team # 1
21.Chris Mayes SO DT failed qualify, Flunked-Out before he even got here. Dream Team # 2
22.Chris Little SR # 12 OT 4-Star transfer, ruled ineligible – typically when NCAA does this it is some enhancing what ? Steroids ? Human Growth Hormone ?
23.Orson Charles SR DUI TE said he wanted to Jump Ship to NFL NFL doesn’t accept DUI either, but DUI is what he leaves behind for my Scholarship monies for him 2011-2012. DUI
24. Derrick Lott, JR DE, fine looking young man, transfer
25.Marc Deas SO DB transfer – all these Recruits with RICHT-0-PHILES (1) bragging about the Dream Team rankings and Mark Richt’s great recruiting class 2012 now too they brag about (2) but Mark Richt has ALL THIS ATTRITION, 57 on Scholarship today with 16 coming in for 73 NCAA DOUBLE-SECRET PROBATION. 73 to our 85-man limit. And, he SIGNED 109. 26 over-signed and still is 12 a clean dozen UNDER the 85-man limit. There is no NCAA PROBATION that takes away 12 Scholarships from a team, NEVER.
26.Zach Mettenberger JR # 14 QB 4-* sexual battery Guilty, transfer
27.Jordan Lawrence Love JR 12/31/90 # 21 CB 4-* arrested didn’t know middle name or birthday, transfer
28.Sanford Seay RFR SE theft teammate transfer Dream Team # 3
29.Chris Sanders SO DB theft teammate transfer Dream Team # 4
30.Nick Marshall SO CB theft teammate transfer Dream Team # 5
31. Sanders Commings SR CB Suspended, Guilty simple battery girl
32. Branden Smith SR CB Mark Richt is waiting until he can announce the 5 who FAILED THE POST SPRING BREAK DRUG TEST, to announce Branden Smith’s punishment. Found with DRUGS in his automobile hidden under the back-seat in Alabama headed to Panama City Beach for Spring Break. All these guys are out there practicing, including Hutson Mason at # 2 who is OUT-PERFORMING AARON MURRAY ALL SPRING AGAIN ACCORDING TO EVERY REPORT INCLUDING BY MARK RICHT. NONE OF THEM, INCLUDING HUTSON MASON WILL PLAY, HOWEVER IN THE BONE-HEADED METHOD OF PRACTICING WE DO AROUND HERE ANYMORE.
33.Alec Ogletree JR LB Should be Safety failed drug test 1 OF 5 TO FAIL DRUG TEST.
34.Bacarri Rambo SR Safety 2nd of 5 failed drug test, other 3 ? Who are the other 3 who failed the drug test ? When does Branden Smith get his Suspension ? It’s really Branden Smith’s 2nd Offense, you remember ? Used Vance Cuff’s DL to buy 6 guys alcohol all 6 then suspended from the team, except Branden Smith who again bought them all the alcohol with Vance Cuff’s DL because Vance was over 21 and looks EXACTLY LIKE BRANDEN SMITH.

more BAD PRESS for Mark Richt on his Scholarships he gave out for 2012 none of whom are playing vs Mizzou.

We don’t cut dead wood here. We do it the right way. Only scum Saban does that.

57 on Scholarship with
+16 coming in in the Fall.
=73 Scholarships remaining of the 109 Mark Richt signed to his 85-man limit.

109-85=26 over-signed – nah we don’t run-off the players we don’t want. Only Nick Saban culls his roster of dead wood, not Mark Richt, not Georgia Bulldogs.

Even with 26 over-signed, still have only 73 on Scholarship
What does that tell you ?


April 1st, 2012
7:58 am


April 1st, 2012
9:02 am

Mark Richt will just up and Quit

You are some piece of work Thomas. Why not list the good recruits that UGA got in 2012, or would that show your true purpose? You spend more web space on these blogs than the original writer of the article does. All to I guess make yourself feel important to yourself. . Man, you have got to lead one lonely life.


April 1st, 2012
9:34 am

Better than just play Clemson, UGA should consider a switch to the ACC – an even swap with the Tigers. This would both put UGA in a position to compete for actual conference championships AND upgrade the East. Should have done this a decade ago.


Wet Willie...keep on smiling

April 1st, 2012
9:46 am

Ok UGA fans you can all come out from under your desk for it appears the “I’m leaving crowd has ended”.

This is what a couple of your GA high folks say about Bama..Keep those jabs at Nick Saban coming for their working well………not.

2014 DB Nick Glass of ATL St. Pius tells me today’s trip to #Alabama “was the truth” — I believe that means he liked it

Tray Matthews….
So my coach told me today that he was at Alabama’s practice last weekend and that it was crazy intense and that they’re on another level.

BCS Tiger

April 1st, 2012
9:59 am

I like the idea.

When Clemson leads by 4 TD’s, call the game.


April 1st, 2012
10:10 am

@ 4:54am blogger
Hey idiot…..we all know you are Thomas Brown and other alias. No one reads your rambling manic blogs and we all know you are a Techie!!!

The Grinch

April 1st, 2012
10:17 am

Definitely. I miss this rivalry.


April 1st, 2012
10:23 am

@ T- Dawg (5:50 pm yesterday)

They ARE the “dummies”. As the old saying goes, “if you can’t take the heat…get out of the kitchen”…..and that is what they did!!!! Believe me, they will not be going to a top or mid level SEC school because they can’t handle competition. I’m happy because they will get more playing time and UGa gets 2 more scholarships and can quit paying for their free ride!!! Everyone is a winner on this one. We don’t need 2 guys who have a total of 13 tackles in 5 years.