Fan talk: Georgia-Clemson, fight song heresy, Erk’s hangout and more!

Georgia and Clemson haven't met in football since 2003. (Associated Press)

Georgia and Clemson haven't met in football since 2003. (Associated Press)

Keep an eye on the mailbox if you’re a Bulldog Club member, because those 2012 football season ticket applications went into the mail Friday. Hartman Fund contributors have until March 31 to return their order to the Athletic Association ticket office. Or you can renew your tickets online.

Now, let’s get to some of this week’s Junkyard Mail. …

Hal Lincoln writes: I read where the expanded ACC might be going to nine conference games as early as 2013, which could put the 2013-14 Georgia-Clemson home-and-home series in jeopardy. The problem is that Clemson already has four nonconference games scheduled for those years — their in-state rival South Carolina, Georgia and a pair of cupcakes. The thinking is Clem & Son might decide to keep the cupcakes and unload the series with the Dawgs. As someone who thinks Clemson was one of our best rivals and misses them being on our schedule every year, this is really upsetting. What do you think, Bill?

I saw the SicEmDawgs report you’re referring to. As you noted, in 2013 Clemson has nonconference games scheduled with Georgia, Kent State, the Citadel and South Carolina, and in 2014 plays Coastal Carolina, Central Michigan and South Carolina in addition to a scheduled trip to Athens. These would be the first times Georgia and Clemson have met in football since 2003. SicEmDawgs reported buying out the Georgia contract would cost Clemson $500,000 unless it was by mutual consent. But while a lot of folks think Clemson might be inclined to drop Georgia and keep the cupcakes, I’m not so sure. The state of Georgia is prime recruiting territory for the Tigers, and a showcase against Georgia of the SEC, including a game in Athens, might be worth more to Clemson than a guaranteed victory over a program nobody cares about. At least, I hope that’s how it turns out. I’m with you, Hal, in missing Georgia-Clemson on a regular basis.

Jeremiah Johnson writes: Howdy Bill, Since the expansion and the talk of having to do away with the year to year Georgia-Auburn game, wouldn’t it make sense to add two more teams and expand the conference to 16 total teams? The possibility then arises of having not 2 large divisions, but 4 smaller ones. Then there are only 4 divisional games, this would allow for 3 cross divisional games. 2 of them would be set by the beginning of the season and the third would be set by the end of divisional play, because by having 4 divisions there would be a need for 2 semi-final games to set up for the championship. For the teams that aren’t playing in a semi-final, the conference could set up, hopefully, interesting match-ups. Two things I haven’t thought through: 1. When to schedule the semi-final, because I think right before the Championship game would be both a murderous gauntlet and interfere with the Georgia/GA Tech game, but other rivalries I’m not sure of. 2. What schools to go after, Va Tech? FSU? Your thoughts?

Latest word is that Georgia-Auburn probably will be kept as an every-year game. But, anyway, I’m skeptical that Virginia Tech or FSU are ever going to want to join the SEC, and if they’re not available there really aren’t two other teams that I’d like to see in the conference. Besides, contemplating the complications of your four-division set-up makes my head spin!

Erk Russell held court at an Athens hangout that's long gone. (University of Georgia)

Erk Russell held court at an Athens hangout that's long gone. (University of Georgia)

D.S. Kimball writes: Mr. Junk Yard, I am a GSU fan and grateful for UGA’s biggest gift to my college of Erk Russell. Recently Snokies Restaurant closed to be torn down to make way for a box drugstore. This was the breakfast place where every morning Erk would hold court. This jarred my memory as there was a place in Athens where Erk first held court by the name of the Rockwood Inn on Lexington Road. I have been unable to locate the address or the restaurant. Does it still exist and if not where was it and what is it now?

The Rockwood Inn, where Erk was known to share cigars and beers with a group of regulars on Thursday and Friday afternoons, had a reputation for good barbecue sandwiches and as a place where underage drinkers frequently tried to score beer. It was in a rock building located where the old airport road used to branch off Lexington Road, about a mile or so before Gaines School Road, in Athens. That intersection doesn’t exist any more and the Rockwood Inn is long gone, but the memories of Erk linger with those who hung out there.

Mike writes: Bill, I am a UGA alumnus and lifelong fan. To put it simply, I love everything about my Dawgs except the fight song, “Glory, Glory.” Not only is it unoriginal (used by Auburn, Colorado and the Union army), but it is blasphemous and brings us bad karma. Changing the lyrics from “His truth is marching on” to “to hell with [insert rival]” is crass. Any chance we might ever employ “Hail” as our primary fight song infuture? It is beautiful.

I also love “Hail to Georgia,” but I think you’re barking up the wrong tree in wanting “Glory, Glory” dumped. First of all, fight tunes not being exclusive to a school is no big deal. My high school fight song at Athens High was the same tune as Notre Dame’s, but we sang it enthusiastically and I still know all the words! And it doesn’t seem to bother anyone at the University of Oklahoma that “Boomer Sooner” is the same tune as Yale University’s “Boola Boola.” Plus, as the UGA football media guide notes, “Glory, Glory,” sung to the tune of “The Battle Hymn of the Republic,” is among UGA’s oldest and most lasting traditions. It was sung at games as early as the 1890s, but arranged in its present form by Georgia musician-composer Hugh Hodgson in 1915. There have been many Bulldog songs through the years and at least two collections dating back to 1909 have been published, but none have enjoyed more acceptance than “Glory, Glory.” And since the addition of the slowed-down “Battle Hymn of the Bulldog Nation” version, with the trumpet solo at the start, the song has become an even bigger part of Bulldog tradition. Whether it’s the Dawg Walk performance before the game with everyone pointing at the trumpet soloist on the bridge, or the pre-kickoff version in Sanford Stadium accompanied by the Larry Munson voiceover and video hightlights, it never fails to give me chills down my spine.

On a related note, Hal from Tampa writes: Hello Bill, could you tell me why the Redcoat Band was moved to the end zone? Sure miss the students waving against opposing teams’ field goal tries. Sure looks dull, now on TV. Not to mention having the cheerleaders and the band and the students and UGA making an opposing picture to visiting teams that have to enter the stadium past it all! Why the move?

Athletic director Greg McGarity initiated moving the Redcoats to the end zone to try and make it easier for more areas of the stadium to hear the band clearly. I’ve heard from several folks who don’t like the new location, though from where I sit, the move definitely has made the Redcoats more audible. But I will say there was one problem last season: They didn’t move the visiting band when they relocated the Redcoats, which means the two bands are awfully close to each other and at times clash by playing simultaneously. I think moving the visiting band to the other end zone and moving more students closer to the Redcoats would solve that problem.

And Jim Parry writes: Bill, Just got through reading your March 3rd blog. It’s time for people to quit worrying about backup QB reps. As we all know, the backup QB is many peoples’ favorite player on any team. Usually due to emotional moments after a starter throws an interception or fails to lead an important drive for a touchdown in any given game. Hutson Mason seems to be a very capable and READY quarterback to enter the game on short notice, based on the reps I have seen him get in previous games. I don’t really see the few, real chances of opportunity to put him in a game as making much of a difference as some people tend to make it. Remember, he is usually entering games along with backups. I use Hutson under the assumption of giving up a redshirt due to injury to [Aaron] Murray. I don’t believe another unproven QB such as [Christian] LeMay would be thrown in, especially with a new, revamped offensive line. Speaking of the O-Line, reading the list of linemen competing this year, I feel a little better about the position. Yes, these young men need that game experience to gel as a unit. But there are quite a few highly touted players getting their opportunity. Let’s hope they live up to their talent.

You make a good point about backup quarterbacks in general. When fans get frustrated with a lack of success on offense, the temptation is to think that the insertion of the backup QB will make all the difference. Occasionally that is the case, but most of the time, there’s a reason the backup isn’t the starter — he’s been beaten out by the guy who is!

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153 comments Add your comment

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
7:12 pm

A few had mark picked to win today.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
7:15 pm

haha Nice Chevy Lawn Mover

Dawg48

March 10th, 2012
7:20 pm

Still, you have to stop pulling for Danica.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
7:27 pm

haha WHY she deserves a chance to prove herself.

Dawg48

March 10th, 2012
7:28 pm

She gets on my nerves! She gets theDale Treatment. Overrated.

Dawg48

March 10th, 2012
7:46 pm

Kenny Walace beat Danica

Burma Shave

March 10th, 2012
8:01 pm

Dawg athletes are dummies
Who act like clowns
They use street drugs
And steal hashbrowns

BURMA SHAVE

Ore-Ida

March 10th, 2012
8:13 pm

Hashbrowns and red panties for all dawgs!!!

Innocent Bystander

March 10th, 2012
8:24 pm

Mr. Fix-It Aaron led his team to a State Championship his Senior Year.

Big time??? Not

March 10th, 2012
8:31 pm

Four tickets four hot dogs four cokes.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
8:38 pm

Big time??? Not…………want to bet the Dawgs don’t have a full stadium for every home game this year?

MrFixIt

March 10th, 2012
8:39 pm

No, a QB named Ely, led Plant High into the playoffs. Murray broke his leg that season and missed 7 games. Ely, his back up, went 7-0 and led the team into the playoffs. Murray’s leg did heal during the playoffs, but Murray had a terrible game, completed just 50% of his passes. The team’s rushing game, particularly the rb, stepped up, and led Plant into the state championship, along with QB Ely.

Lemay played and started in every game, and led his team into the playoffs.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
8:51 pm

MURRAY won the Championship game after his leg healed.
Lemay didn’t play in the championship game his senior year now did he?

MrFixIt

March 10th, 2012
8:53 pm

Marve QB won a state championship at Plant before Murray, then Ely while Murray went down with a broken leg, then Ely won another won after Murray left, then Plant won again in 2011.

Pretty much every QB has won a state championship at Plant that’s started since 2006, so Murray didn’t do anything unusual by winning 7 games as a starter the year his team won a state championship.

What Lemay did was unique. Independence hadn’t lost at home in over 20 years, until Lemay led his team to the W. And then on to win their first state championship.

So Murray, and every other starting QB at Plant, won a state championship.

Lemay was the first, and did something 20 other QB’s in 20+ years couldn’t do, which was beat Independence at home.

BIG difference.

Not close.

MrFixIt

March 10th, 2012
8:57 pm

still@…you said earlier Lemay missed his whole Senior season, now you’re saying he only missed the state championship his senior season…which story you sticking to?

MrFixIt

March 10th, 2012
9:00 pm

Lemay, as a Junior, started every game, and led Butler to the 1st state championship in the history of the school. Knocking off Indep High along the way, a team that hadn’t lost at home in 20+ years.

Lemay gets his teammates to do the amazing, and Lemay stepped up in the biggest games, Murray is 0-9 against teams that finished top 25.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
9:04 pm

I said Lemay didn’t play his senior year.

MrFixIt

March 10th, 2012
10:06 pm

Murray started exhibiting extreme narcissistic personality disorder symptoms back in high school. He piled up individual stats is Junior season to impress colleges, but his team didn’t win the championship in 2007. Then in 2008, when Murray went down, the team got better and went 7-0 without him, yet Murray strove to recover quickly from his broken leg to regain his starting position.

At UGA, in 2010, Murray went 6-7 as a starter, yet made sure he threw a lot of td’s and a lot of yards. In 2011, team was playing well in first half against Boise, LSU, and Mich St, and Murray tried to take over in the second half.

So, UGA continues to lose to every ranked team that finishes in the top 25 under Murray. (0-9 record)

Yet, Murray makes sure he piles up the td’s and yards.

Like I said, no team achievement of note in Murray.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Thomas Brown

March 10th, 2012
10:38 pm

Gt fan March 10th, 2012 1:03 pm

” “Don’t tell your HC, but we (NCAA) are going need 2 of his best players to sit out some games while we conduct an investigation” all the while knowing the AD is going to inform the HC. THUS, the NCAA is now armed with a “they didn’t obey our order to NOT say a word to anyone, especially the HC” defense.”

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Hash Browns March 10th, 2012 8:57 pm

“I would like to know when Radakovich is going to hand in his resignation — or if he lacks the integrity to do that, when Peterson is going to fire him. He ignored the simple instruction not to discuss the situation with anyone within seconds of when he was notified of how it had to be handled. His simple arrogance and inability to listen is why Tech ultimately received this punishment.”

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captguitarman March 10th, 2012 11:36 am

“the bigger issue is kind of getting lost here. Did Tech screw up? Sounds like it. “
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Supersize that order, mutt March 10th, 2012 11:31 am

“It was DRAD who did what he was supposedly not allowed to do. Johnson wasn’t even involved at that point and was not until DRAD told him what was going on.”

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student athlete March 10th, 2012 10:20 am

“The players should seek council on possibly suing Rad, Johnson, Peterson, and the GTAA, its very clear they were negligent in managing the initial situation, they then responded with the same arrogance to the NCAA that has been exhibited numerous time to GT fans and Atlanta media. The hired hands (Johnson and Rad) ride off with the money”

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Old Gold Britches March 10th, 2012 9:57 am

“It is hard to believe Peterson and Radakovich made this big of a mistake. It is just as unbelieveable that legel advisers let them go down the path they took. Apparently the blind leading the blind.”

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GT09 March 10th, 2012 9:17 am

“Got out my ACC 2009 Championshipring this morning. Thanks NCAA. Pun ish 113 players for the ac tion of a couple of admin istrators.”

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Tech Faithful March 10th, 2012 10:31 am

“No, DRad is the main culprit here. He was told what to do by the NCAA and he didn’t do it. He impeded the investigation, as did CPJ by passing on the information to players, DUH! DRad has overstayed his welcome, and it is time for him to go, Bud. As for CPJ – probation at best.”

PrimeTimeJr

March 10th, 2012
11:50 pm

Who keeps accepting scholarships like Aaron Murray did until he gets 53 offers?

Really, self esteem THAT bad? Need attention THAT bad?

RED DOG 77

March 11th, 2012
12:57 am

I better be careful here, [Thomas Brown might quote me in four years if my prediction doesn't come true]………………But I just can’t wait for the 2012 season!!!…………With a defense poised to rip heads off, me thinks the offense [led by Aaron Murray] will surely want some [Glory, Glory] of their own……………….Watch Mr. Murray light-it up this year………….and also watch our Oline step up, being the central reason…………….So there!!!…………RED

RED DOG 77

March 11th, 2012
1:04 am

@Prime Time…………..I was always under the impression only one scholarship could be accepted…………….Wow, that’s deep!!………..Your wisdom is strong like Blue cheese……….RED

oakisland

March 11th, 2012
4:24 am

Erk Russell, now that’s what a football coach should look like. Too bad the younger fans could not witness what a great motivator of the junkyard dawgs he was. In my opinion, he should have been head coach after Dooley. RIP Coach Russell and thanks for the memories.

Thomas Brown

March 11th, 2012
6:49 am

I don’t know what you’re talking about RED. Everyone knows exactly what I said before this season just-over even started :

http://leatherhelmetblog.com/2011-articles/june/beware-of-boise.html

Unfortunately, it is exactly what we did do. It wasn’t good. Today, we’re 17-13 vs our own down Division with a good Man whose Calling is Football Coach.

We’re # 32 in won/lost record the Current 4-Year Period and you run in here to talk about National Championships RED.

I’d love to see us beat the teams who will end up top 10 this season, but we don’t for a myriad of reasons related to the coaching decisions of the coaching staff, which remains intact – again. I’d love to sit here all off-season again, and measure up our talent vs the CupCake Schedule of at most 1 regular season game against a team which may or may not end up even in the top 25 – one possibility. But, the games aren’t played on paper, nor in your off-season posts. Once the season starts, you quit posting RED. Unfortunately for the rest of us who pay for these season tickets right after Tax Time, we still want to find something to be excited about.

Measuring our excitement based upon Your Pre-Season BS of how great we are, just means more disappointment for you until you admit you are frustrated again, quit, leave the blog for the rest of the season and for a period after our bowl loss, and then right back at it again – every off-season for you RED.

Go read what I wrote pre-season this URL Link provided. It says we lose to Boise State and to South Carolina, and run off 11 wins thereafter against the cupcakes, losing to Alabama or LSU.

Dreamers are not better football fans. Especially when you admit you don’t even go to the games.

As for your bragging on Aaron Murray and picking on the poor little poster who dares to come in here and share the lowdown on Aaron Murray you certainly don’t know RED and he absolutely proved he knows RED, obviously # 72 in the nation in pass completion percentage for 2011 is narcissistic.

MT

March 11th, 2012
7:10 am

At UGA, in 2010, Murray went 6-7 as a starter, yet made sure he threw a lot of td’s and a lot of yards.

Isn’t that what a QB SUPPOSE TO DO? Whether you win or lose?

MT

March 11th, 2012
7:14 am

“Hail to Georgia” is a lot better tune than “Glory”.

evil empire

March 11th, 2012
8:51 am

don’t worry dawgtards…if clemson is keepin’ the cupcakes, the game is still on…

Dawg Days!

March 11th, 2012
9:06 am

Please move the band back to the student section. Looks weak and “cheap” in the end zone.

wins-by-a-link

March 11th, 2012
9:24 am

Erk Russell was in fact the greatest coach the University Of Georgia has ever had, What a motivator, I will always believe that Vince Dooley was so afraid that Erk would overshadow him as head coach that he prevented Erk from becoming Head Coach at UGA, Vince would never have had the success at UGA without the great defenses of Erk Russell.

SnakeDog4

March 11th, 2012
9:56 am

Lemay was ranked the #1 pro style QB when he was in high school. I’d love to see him at the helm of the UGA pro style offense. Aaron is more suited to a dual threat, Georgia Tech style of offense.

DJ

March 11th, 2012
10:07 am

As a Tech fan, I love Erk Russell. And luckily one of his disciples is already coaching in the state of Georgia…over at the Institute. Hate Johnson all you want (and I’m NOT saying he is Erk Russell), but he learned it all from Erk and has that same disposition, only the media is much different in today’s game.

HOUDAWG

March 11th, 2012
10:56 am

Hey Mike ….. get rid of ” Glory , Glory ” ?? You really need treatment to cure that ” politically correct ” mentality. This is a tradition ….. it doesn’t enflame …. that’s all in YOUR head !

Get a life ……

jj

March 11th, 2012
11:32 am

You’ll take away my “Glory,glory” when you pry it from my cold, dead, lips.

Music City Dawg

March 11th, 2012
1:09 pm

Can’t stand where they moved UGA’s band. Not only is it hard to hear it, but its out of all the real activity going on with the game. I sit up near where it used to be located and it definitely could be heard from that location, especially by the visiting team. I would like to see it moved back to its pre-2011 location or move it to the middle of the end zone where the players’ come out from the locker rooms.

oakwood dawg

March 11th, 2012
1:51 pm

The band should be on the Georgia side of the field but that will never happen because of the ticket demand. Oh, the good ole days–I was student at UGA 1958-1962. Did not have a restriction(or lotto) on student tickets. Our student ID cards admitted us to games. We sat on the UGA side (South) and so did the band.Then when season ticket demand became greater we were sent to the North(sunburn side). The Redcoat Band at that time was The Dixie Redcoat Band and it entered the stadium before kickoff, on the home side, playing Dixie. Sometime after 1962 Roger Dancz, band director, dropped the name Dixie from the band and and never again allowed the song Dixie to be played in Sanford Stadium. Mr. Dancz, in my opinion, made these changes for reason of political correctness. Student enrollment at UGA was 8,000 in 1958 and 12,000 in 1962. Ah, the good ole days. Most of you will remember the good ole days when you reach my age.

Dawg48

March 11th, 2012
3:22 pm

NEW LEADER, ((((((((((48))))))))))

Jacket99

March 11th, 2012
4:08 pm

I’m sure Husqvarna makes a nice lawn mower, but does JJ (#48) really mow his own lawn?

Jacket99

March 11th, 2012
4:30 pm

Kenseth 4, Biffle 6, Edwards 7…The Fords are working their way up to 1, 2, &3. lol.

Dawg48

March 11th, 2012
4:53 pm

99 come to the recruiting blog.

Dawg48

March 11th, 2012
5:00 pm

It’s gonna be a good un to the finish.

dan

March 11th, 2012
6:59 pm

Mrfixit

Joe Cox won a state title in high school. David Greene went 0-10 his soph season at South Gwinnett High. DJ Shockley had a losing season his Senior year in High School.

Joe Cox was clearly the best…oh…wait.

Mystere

March 11th, 2012
7:02 pm

A few comments about UGA:

1. Four different SEC teams have won the last six BCS championships.

2. UGA was not one of those teams.

3. During that period, UGA did not win the SEC championship.

4. Red panties and hashbrowns.

In other words, UGA has sunk into total irrelevancy both regionally and nationally.

So why is UGA paying Mark Richt millions of dollars a year?

dan

March 11th, 2012
7:08 pm

I don’t understand all the bad mouthing of Murray.

The kid is doing fine. He’s had his bad moments, but the only QB in the SEC I’d take over him would be Tyler Wilson from Arkansas.

All this losing record vs. winning teams stuff is crap. The only times he’s looked really bad was UCF when he was a freshman, Boise State( who EVERYONE wrongly underestimated) and LSU( who made a LOT of QB’s look bad this year). Murray isn’t Greene or Shockley or Zeier , but he’s not Joe Cox or Quincy Carter either. I think we need to hold off judgement on Murray until we have seen the entire body of work.

Wookie

March 11th, 2012
7:10 pm

I don’t get giving Murray a hard time.

0-9 versus teams that finished in the top 25 is just great.

Wookie

March 11th, 2012
7:12 pm

Murray averaging 2.0 turnovers per game in 2011 is outstanding.

Wookie

March 11th, 2012
7:13 pm

14 interceptions by Murray and 32 sacks in 2011 show how great Murray is.

Lakedawg

March 11th, 2012
7:14 pm

@mystere—You will find out why this year.

Wookie

March 11th, 2012
7:14 pm

Murray threw for 5 td’s against New Mexico State, proves Murray’s amazing.

Wookie

March 11th, 2012
7:16 pm

After Murray went 0-5 against ranked teams in 2010, most thought he’d improve in 2011, instead he surprised everyone and went 2-4 against ranked teams in 2011. GT & Aub were ranked at the time we played them, so Murray is now a Heisman candidate by improving his record against ranked teams to 2-9, right?

Wookie

March 11th, 2012
7:18 pm

Murray and Cox are a lot of similar if you look at height, average wins per season (8), and accuracy and interceptions.