Fan talk: Georgia-Clemson, fight song heresy, Erk’s hangout and more!

Georgia and Clemson haven't met in football since 2003. (Associated Press)

Georgia and Clemson haven't met in football since 2003. (Associated Press)

Keep an eye on the mailbox if you’re a Bulldog Club member, because those 2012 football season ticket applications went into the mail Friday. Hartman Fund contributors have until March 31 to return their order to the Athletic Association ticket office. Or you can renew your tickets online.

Now, let’s get to some of this week’s Junkyard Mail. …

Hal Lincoln writes: I read where the expanded ACC might be going to nine conference games as early as 2013, which could put the 2013-14 Georgia-Clemson home-and-home series in jeopardy. The problem is that Clemson already has four nonconference games scheduled for those years — their in-state rival South Carolina, Georgia and a pair of cupcakes. The thinking is Clem & Son might decide to keep the cupcakes and unload the series with the Dawgs. As someone who thinks Clemson was one of our best rivals and misses them being on our schedule every year, this is really upsetting. What do you think, Bill?

I saw the SicEmDawgs report you’re referring to. As you noted, in 2013 Clemson has nonconference games scheduled with Georgia, Kent State, the Citadel and South Carolina, and in 2014 plays Coastal Carolina, Central Michigan and South Carolina in addition to a scheduled trip to Athens. These would be the first times Georgia and Clemson have met in football since 2003. SicEmDawgs reported buying out the Georgia contract would cost Clemson $500,000 unless it was by mutual consent. But while a lot of folks think Clemson might be inclined to drop Georgia and keep the cupcakes, I’m not so sure. The state of Georgia is prime recruiting territory for the Tigers, and a showcase against Georgia of the SEC, including a game in Athens, might be worth more to Clemson than a guaranteed victory over a program nobody cares about. At least, I hope that’s how it turns out. I’m with you, Hal, in missing Georgia-Clemson on a regular basis.

Jeremiah Johnson writes: Howdy Bill, Since the expansion and the talk of having to do away with the year to year Georgia-Auburn game, wouldn’t it make sense to add two more teams and expand the conference to 16 total teams? The possibility then arises of having not 2 large divisions, but 4 smaller ones. Then there are only 4 divisional games, this would allow for 3 cross divisional games. 2 of them would be set by the beginning of the season and the third would be set by the end of divisional play, because by having 4 divisions there would be a need for 2 semi-final games to set up for the championship. For the teams that aren’t playing in a semi-final, the conference could set up, hopefully, interesting match-ups. Two things I haven’t thought through: 1. When to schedule the semi-final, because I think right before the Championship game would be both a murderous gauntlet and interfere with the Georgia/GA Tech game, but other rivalries I’m not sure of. 2. What schools to go after, Va Tech? FSU? Your thoughts?

Latest word is that Georgia-Auburn probably will be kept as an every-year game. But, anyway, I’m skeptical that Virginia Tech or FSU are ever going to want to join the SEC, and if they’re not available there really aren’t two other teams that I’d like to see in the conference. Besides, contemplating the complications of your four-division set-up makes my head spin!

Erk Russell held court at an Athens hangout that's long gone. (University of Georgia)

Erk Russell held court at an Athens hangout that's long gone. (University of Georgia)

D.S. Kimball writes: Mr. Junk Yard, I am a GSU fan and grateful for UGA’s biggest gift to my college of Erk Russell. Recently Snokies Restaurant closed to be torn down to make way for a box drugstore. This was the breakfast place where every morning Erk would hold court. This jarred my memory as there was a place in Athens where Erk first held court by the name of the Rockwood Inn on Lexington Road. I have been unable to locate the address or the restaurant. Does it still exist and if not where was it and what is it now?

The Rockwood Inn, where Erk was known to share cigars and beers with a group of regulars on Thursday and Friday afternoons, had a reputation for good barbecue sandwiches and as a place where underage drinkers frequently tried to score beer. It was in a rock building located where the old airport road used to branch off Lexington Road, about a mile or so before Gaines School Road, in Athens. That intersection doesn’t exist any more and the Rockwood Inn is long gone, but the memories of Erk linger with those who hung out there.

Mike writes: Bill, I am a UGA alumnus and lifelong fan. To put it simply, I love everything about my Dawgs except the fight song, “Glory, Glory.” Not only is it unoriginal (used by Auburn, Colorado and the Union army), but it is blasphemous and brings us bad karma. Changing the lyrics from “His truth is marching on” to “to hell with [insert rival]” is crass. Any chance we might ever employ “Hail” as our primary fight song infuture? It is beautiful.

I also love “Hail to Georgia,” but I think you’re barking up the wrong tree in wanting “Glory, Glory” dumped. First of all, fight tunes not being exclusive to a school is no big deal. My high school fight song at Athens High was the same tune as Notre Dame’s, but we sang it enthusiastically and I still know all the words! And it doesn’t seem to bother anyone at the University of Oklahoma that “Boomer Sooner” is the same tune as Yale University’s “Boola Boola.” Plus, as the UGA football media guide notes, “Glory, Glory,” sung to the tune of “The Battle Hymn of the Republic,” is among UGA’s oldest and most lasting traditions. It was sung at games as early as the 1890s, but arranged in its present form by Georgia musician-composer Hugh Hodgson in 1915. There have been many Bulldog songs through the years and at least two collections dating back to 1909 have been published, but none have enjoyed more acceptance than “Glory, Glory.” And since the addition of the slowed-down “Battle Hymn of the Bulldog Nation” version, with the trumpet solo at the start, the song has become an even bigger part of Bulldog tradition. Whether it’s the Dawg Walk performance before the game with everyone pointing at the trumpet soloist on the bridge, or the pre-kickoff version in Sanford Stadium accompanied by the Larry Munson voiceover and video hightlights, it never fails to give me chills down my spine.

On a related note, Hal from Tampa writes: Hello Bill, could you tell me why the Redcoat Band was moved to the end zone? Sure miss the students waving against opposing teams’ field goal tries. Sure looks dull, now on TV. Not to mention having the cheerleaders and the band and the students and UGA making an opposing picture to visiting teams that have to enter the stadium past it all! Why the move?

Athletic director Greg McGarity initiated moving the Redcoats to the end zone to try and make it easier for more areas of the stadium to hear the band clearly. I’ve heard from several folks who don’t like the new location, though from where I sit, the move definitely has made the Redcoats more audible. But I will say there was one problem last season: They didn’t move the visiting band when they relocated the Redcoats, which means the two bands are awfully close to each other and at times clash by playing simultaneously. I think moving the visiting band to the other end zone and moving more students closer to the Redcoats would solve that problem.

And Jim Parry writes: Bill, Just got through reading your March 3rd blog. It’s time for people to quit worrying about backup QB reps. As we all know, the backup QB is many peoples’ favorite player on any team. Usually due to emotional moments after a starter throws an interception or fails to lead an important drive for a touchdown in any given game. Hutson Mason seems to be a very capable and READY quarterback to enter the game on short notice, based on the reps I have seen him get in previous games. I don’t really see the few, real chances of opportunity to put him in a game as making much of a difference as some people tend to make it. Remember, he is usually entering games along with backups. I use Hutson under the assumption of giving up a redshirt due to injury to [Aaron] Murray. I don’t believe another unproven QB such as [Christian] LeMay would be thrown in, especially with a new, revamped offensive line. Speaking of the O-Line, reading the list of linemen competing this year, I feel a little better about the position. Yes, these young men need that game experience to gel as a unit. But there are quite a few highly touted players getting their opportunity. Let’s hope they live up to their talent.

You make a good point about backup quarterbacks in general. When fans get frustrated with a lack of success on offense, the temptation is to think that the insertion of the backup QB will make all the difference. Occasionally that is the case, but most of the time, there’s a reason the backup isn’t the starter — he’s been beaten out by the guy who is!

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153 comments Add your comment

ARdawg

March 10th, 2012
11:04 am

Raleigh

March 10th, 2012
11:09 am

Jacket99

March 10th, 2012
11:09 am

Scheduling cupcakes is a disservice to fans. Georgia should play Clemson every year. Tech should play Auburn every year.

A.Bishop

March 10th, 2012
11:13 am

Dennis

March 10th, 2012
11:34 am

After hearing all of the painful logic why UGA needs cupcakes for them, it strikes funny when UGA fans throw rocks when they live in glass houses. My prediction is that it will be UGA that cancels the Clemson series due to “business reasons.” Go ahead and cancel Georgia, Clemson already has a chicken on the schedule.

Paddy

March 10th, 2012
11:35 am

The 2nd string QB is the most popular football player for every college team.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
11:39 am

Can I get some Hash Browns with my Cupcakes?

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
11:45 am

I like the story about ERK, but those days are long gone. People would be cell phone taping the event and the coaches would get in some form of trouble I am sure. The coaches don’t seem to have the time to do those types of thing as much as they used too either.

GA.....

March 10th, 2012
11:55 am

I CANT IMAGINE HOW UGA ENDED UP WITH A YANKEE FIGHT SONG….

7576DAWG

March 10th, 2012
12:02 pm

Parry write that the Offensive line need playing time in a game to gel, but doesn’t think the back up quarterback needs any game playing experience. Most of us know that Murray is the first string quarterback . Wanting his backup, which to me should be LeMay, to play a lot has nothing to do with Murray messing up . It’s all about having another quarterback game ready to play in case Murray go’s down. The year Cox was Quarterback they decided to red shirt Murray and because of that decision he was not ready to play Quarterback in 2010 when we went 6-7. His shoulder was okay in 2009 the last 6 games and if he had played a quarter or two in each of the last 6 games he would have been MUCH better in 2010, as they say GAME READY.
Last year the reason the Black won the spring game was because LeMay took the team down the field in the last minute to score and win , Murray couldn’t move the offense. The RED , or backup players would have won if it wasn’t for LeMay. I’m not saying he should replace Murray but both LeMay and Mason should play at least a quarter in most every game if at all possible unless they are red shirted to give them game playing experience , and I mean let them run the offense not just hand the ball off. He@@ the scout team quarterback can do that.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
12:04 pm

GA….they don’t know how to spell DOG and you wonder how a carpetbagger was able to convince UGa to use a Yankee song?

7576DAWG

March 10th, 2012
12:25 pm

A lot of people want to make fun of Georgia’s so called WEAK schedule last year . It was not our fault that Tennessee, Florida, and Auburn were all rebuilding. Most of the times last years schedule would have been consider very hard and when LSU and Alabama make it back around and is on our schedule Georgia usually has one of the top 5 hardest schedules in the nation. Georgia has a hard enough schedule every year and with them playing Georgia Tech doesn’t need anyone else on the schedule that is better than average. We need 3 or 4 cupcakes every year.
ASK Texas A&M and Missouri after 2012 what they think of playing so many great teams in a REGULAR season schedule. They are use to playing 2 maybe 3 hard games a year. Now they will play 5 to 8 depending on if the teams are rebuilding or not mainly because the SEC teams lose so many coaches and coordinators every year to Pro ball or open head coaching jobs.

epic quibble

March 10th, 2012
12:30 pm

Clemson still sucks

MrFixIt

March 10th, 2012
12:32 pm

The thing with Murray is, he can’t beat a ranked team. Murray is now 0-9 vs. teams that finished ranked top 25.

It’s time for a new QB. Murray throws lots of td’s against teams like New Mexico St, absolutely NO ONE should be impressed by garbage td’s.

0-9. Couldn’t be any simpler.

MrFixIt

March 10th, 2012
12:35 pm

I doubt Lemay or Mason will ever get a fair shot at starting (ask Logan Gray or Mettenberger, who both beat Murray over their Spring games).

Mark Richt figures, since Murray has a decent high school highlight video, and was offered by over 50 colleges, Murray will become a great college QB. So Richt will ENTITLE Murray to start, regardless of how his competition does.

MrFixIt

March 10th, 2012
12:42 pm

Aaron Murray suffers from the symptons of narcissistic personality disorder.

He pursues, largely selfish goals like td’s and yards, probably came from being offered by so many schools, Murray sure did love collecting scholarship offers.

UGA will struggle as long as these narcissistic behaviors continue at QB.

Lemay is the answer, much more team oriented guys who don’t care about indisdual stats, but only team achievements like big wins against great teams, and team championships.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
12:45 pm

MrFixit what do you mean Lemay is more of a Team player? He was getting some on school grounds that made him miss his Senior Season of Football. Ask his Teammates if Lemay was more about some Personal Scoring or team Goals.

MrFixIt

March 10th, 2012
12:49 pm

Lemay led his team to beat Independence, who hadn’t lost a game at home in over 20 years.

Murray is 0-9 against teams that finished in the top 25, he can’t lead his team to a single win.

Lemay led his team to a state championship, Murray never has.

Dawg48

March 10th, 2012
12:50 pm

The sons of Katie Elder is on AMC!

MrFixIt

March 10th, 2012
12:50 pm

As far as moral comparisons, Murray was caught with a beer at FSU game as a 20 year old, Lemay slipped up in high school as a 17 year old. Both messed up.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
12:53 pm

The DUKE hates bitter grassy knoll————

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
12:56 pm

MrFixIt…………Sex at 17 or Beer at 20 you are kidding. Sex at school is way wrong. Murray was a few weeks from his 21st birthday.

Dawg48

March 10th, 2012
12:57 pm

Bitter find something wrong with the Duke!

MrFixIt

March 10th, 2012
1:01 pm

the thing with Murray is, the way he falls apart when you play a great team, 3 turnovers against LSU, 3 more in the Bowl game, it’s time for a new QB.

MrFixIt

March 10th, 2012
1:03 pm

Murray’s below average against ranked team in wins, accuracy, interceptions, passing efficency, etc.

Murray is above average in those areas against bad teams who don’t finish top 25.

MrFixIt

March 10th, 2012
1:05 pm

No one under 21 years old is allowed to posses alcohol, much less drink it. Murray was caught holding a beer in possession at the FSU game when he was 20 years old.

richt chose to look the other way, and didn’t suspend Murray for underage possession of alcohol.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
1:18 pm

Don Leebern has built Athens #1 party ranking around underage drinking. Yes it is illegal but If you think that people of legal drinking age can support all the bars in Athens then you are drunk and stupid. Preforming a Sex act on public school grounds it a criminal offense worse then MIP of a beer at a football game.

faithfuldawg86

March 10th, 2012
1:21 pm

Seriously! Are these adults obsessing over kids having sex and drinking beer in college??? Clearly you never went to college and are absolute pie-in-the-sky idiots. Grow up and let these young men do the same. I sure am glad that’s all ya’ll have to worry about – must be nice!

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
1:28 pm

faithful try again.Mr Fix thinks Murray isn’t a team player because he drank beer. I said Lemay uses questionable judgement by having sex on high school grounds that made him miss his senior year.

MrFixIt

March 10th, 2012
2:18 pm

Wow, Murray throws 5 td’s against New Mexico State, give him the Heisman now.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
2:19 pm

I hate knowing I will be a virgin for life : (

Pago Pago DAWG

March 10th, 2012
2:31 pm

Bottom line…can UGA at least win a Major bowl?! Gessh

Bob

March 10th, 2012
3:32 pm

A friend of mine once asked why Georgia would have the Battle Hymn of the Republic as its main Fight Song. He was particularly critical because of what Sherman did back in 64. I reminded him that Sherman burned Atlanta, not Athens. ;-)

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
3:38 pm

Bob..he burned more than Atlanta. If there was anything in Athens worth much he would have burned it too….Sherman’s March to the Sea followed his successful Atlanta Campaign of May to September 1864. He and the U.S. Army commander, Lt. Gen. Ulysses S. Grant, believed that the Civil War would end only if the Confederacy’s strategic, economic, and psychological capacity for warfare were decisively broken. Sherman therefore applied the principles of scorched earth: he ordered his troops to burn crops, kill livestock and consume supplies. Finally he destroyed civilian infrastructure along his path of advance. This policy is often considered a component strategy of total war.

kingdaddy

March 10th, 2012
4:14 pm

Dawg48
I would have shot Dean Martin too!!! Arron Murray will shut all of your negative pie-holes this year. I would like to see him come out in 4th qt unless game is tight. Give Mason or C.L.real seasoning. If a games in hand, I’d like all back-ups playing. It gives us depth.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
4:16 pm

kingdaddy you don’t learn how good your back up QB is if he is playing with the scrubs against the scrubs. A back up QB has to Play some with the First team against the other teams 1st team.

Jackson

March 10th, 2012
4:27 pm

Move the Redcoats back to their traditional spot! They already bowled out the wrong end of the stadium giving up one of our best home field advantages, the “Tracks”, the gameday experience has never been the same. Those track people used to really get the Dawgs ready to play as Erk would tell the team upon arriving, “men if that doesn’t get you ready to play, nothing will”, not to mention the intimidation of the visiting team. GATA.

dbalcer

March 10th, 2012
4:35 pm

Move the band to the opposite goalpost but don’t put the opposing band there. That would ruin the atmosphere in most the stadium. I hope they move our band back where it used to be. The Georgia -bulldawg chant needs to be done right too. They ruined that last year.

kingdaddy

March 10th, 2012
5:05 pm

@Koolade
Do you suggest putting your backup qbs in when the game is on the line? I understand you want to see backup qbs with 1st string, but they are starters for a reason. LeMay and Mason will get their shots at working with 1st team. Until someone else becomes H.C., it’s Richts call. Live with it.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
5:25 pm

kingdaddy you have to put your back up in during MEANINGFUL situations to see how he handles the game. A Blowout situation doesn’t give a true perspective of the back-ups abilities. he doesn’t have too play a bunch when the game is on the line but a series or two would better prepare him if and when it is his time to play to win.

kybodawg

March 10th, 2012
5:36 pm

i remember the good old days when we had a ten game schedule and our off games were clemson tech and south carolina. when nov. rolled around it was fla. aub. and ga.tech. when we played aurburn it was always playing for the se. and with tech. it was to get a major bowl bid.

faithfuldawg86

March 10th, 2012
5:37 pm

Koolaid, I’ll grant you that distinction, but I still say it’s no big deal. What? Teenagers are having sex anywhere/how they can? Gasp- get my smellin’ salts!

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
5:42 pm

Faithful until it is your daughter pregnant or your son missing to go to college because he is a baby daddy then your tune changes.

Brunker

March 10th, 2012
6:22 pm

Murray has the system figured out.

Murray runs up his statistics against weak opponents, and disappears against the stronger opponents.

Best games against:
N Mex St, 5 td’s, o int’s (#110 defense in defensive scoring)
Auburn, 4 td’s, 0 int’s (#78 defense)
G Tech, 4 td’s, 1 int (#60 defense)

Worst games against:
LSU, 1 td, 2 int’s (#2 defense)
MissSt, 2 td’s, 3 int’s (#10 defense)
B St 2 td’s, 1 int (#10 defense)
MichSt 2 td’s, 2 int’s (#16 defense)
Florida 2 td’s, 1 int (#20 defense)

See how Murray is able to fool all you guys?

shankit

March 10th, 2012
6:32 pm

Football is out of season, how bout an article on the Dawg golfers.
Harris English winning on the Nationwide tour as an amateur, going
five tournaments as a rookie on the PGA tour without missing a cut.
But, the most exciting athlete to come out of Dawg nation lately, is
Bubba. Bubba is a shot maker, even has Johnny Miller marveling at
his imagination at creating unorthodox shots, not previously seen since
the old Yellow Jacket, Bobby Jones and Dynamite Goodloe. Let’s have
an article on the Dawg golfers.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
6:41 pm

Brunker you forgot his 6-7 Freshmen Season games. You really need to look at his WHOLE body of work.

Buh Bye to Saint Mark

March 10th, 2012
6:56 pm

Erk was the last real coach that UGA had. Everyone since him has been a joke.

Dawg48

March 10th, 2012
7:06 pm

Mark the old man Martin is winning the NationWide race in Vegas.

Texas Dawg

March 10th, 2012
7:09 pm

The numbers don’t lie and I’m not sure why Murry receives such accolades from sports newscasters…..bottom line is he has not got it done against when it counted against ranked team…he had a direct hand in our losses last year to SC, LSU, and Mich St.

That said I hope he proves me wrong and “gets in done” the next wo years…….don’t think I have seen better group of receivers that we have for the nest year! Go dawgs!

Still@theKool-aidBAR

March 10th, 2012
7:11 pm

Danic ain’t doing so bad either.