Fan talk: Now South Carolina wants to change the rules

sec-pinwheel-logojpg-f806e20b1171f261Time to dip into some of this week’s Junkyard Mail. …

MonroeDawg writes: Did you see the latest from South Carolina? They’re so upset about losing the SEC East to Georgia that their athletic department is petitioning the SEC to change the rules so that games against your own division count a whole game while games against the other division only count half a game. They still can’t get over the fact that they beat Georgia and all the other SEC East teams this year but lost the division because the Dawgs had a better overall conference record. I can’t believe they’ll get anywhere with this. What do you think?

I think those grapes are mighty sour over in Gamecock country. The proposal you mention came from USC-East trustee Chuck Allen, who can’t handle South Carolina not winning the East two years in a row. One division title and suddenly they’re feeling entitled in Columbia! “It just seems fair that the team that won all its division games would be the division champ,” Allen whined. Of course, had the Gamecocks beaten Top 10 Arkansas this past season, I doubt anyone in garnet and black would have been arguing it should be worth only half a win in the standings. And let’s note that South Carolina’s other loss was to an Auburn team that Georgia beat like a drum. Anyway, I don’t think this plan will get very far. As Charles Bloom, the SEC’s associate commissioner, told The State newspaper, “The philosophy of the league has always been that all conference games are weighted the same.”

Rodney Hampton was part of a great lineup of running backs in Athens. (University of Georgia)

Rodney Hampton was part of a great lineup of running backs in Athens. (University of Georgia)

Jim, Class of ‘84, writes: Bill, who was our great trio? Was it Worley, Henderson, and Hampton that all played together at same time? Or am I mixing up classes? I remember Vince [Dooley] having a great trio that worked well together in the ’80s. With our recruitment and commitments of [Keith] Marshall and [Todd] Gurley … I believe we need to show these guys that it can work well for them to have multiple top-notch backs at same time at UGA. Of course, hopefully this makes [Isaiah] Crowell into a better back also. There have been many teams in college that have had high quality 3 and 4 deep backs. … Let’s let these kids know they can all achieve their goals with multiple talented backs on team.

All they have to do is look at the 2011 LSU team to see what multiple tailbacks can accomplish. But, to answer your question, Tim Worley, Keith Henderson and Rodney Hampton all played together only in the 1988 season, Vince Dooley’s last. Worley led the team with over 1,200 yards rushing, Hampton topped 800 and Henderson had just over 400 and also caught quite a few passes. They were part of a great stable of backs between 1985 and 1989 that also included Lars Tate, but the Dogs never had all four playing at once. In ‘85 it was Worley as the leading rusher, followed by Henderson (who played fullback) and Tate. In ‘86, Tate led, followed by Henderson and Worley. Worley and Henderson sat out the 1987 season, which was Hampton’s freshman year, with academic problems, so that year it was just Tate and Hampton. Don’t forget, though, that the Dogs have had tailback-by-committee situations in the Mark Richt era, too. In 2006, it was Kregg Lumpkin, Danny Ware and Thomas Brown. And the next year Knowshon Moreno and Brown alternated, though a gimpy Lumpkin was not much of a factor.

Chris Morley asks: Is our No. 2 QB better than our starting QB? Should the position be open in the spring? And Clay Brisbois writes: I know one of CMR’s most endearing qualities to his players is his loyalty, but I for one hope that the QB competition is opened up again this spring. Remember that [Aaron] Murray won and kept the starting job as a freshman not so much because he earned it, but because his competition selected out. I love Murray’s heart and passion, but I don’t feel like I saw as much improvement in him over the course of these two seasons as I would have expected. With another favorable schedule this fall, it wouldn’t be too much of a risk to try a new guy out, especially considering you’d have Murray to fall back on. Let’s give [Hutson] Mason and [Christian' LeMay and even [Faton] Bauta a chance to compete this year, and hold off on any redshirting until the fall for Mason. I’d love to hear your perspective on the possibility of opening up the QB competition.

I don’t think an open competition for starting quarterback is very likely. As we discussed this week, Murray, who set a UGA single-season record for touchdown throws, ranked second in the SEC in passing (220.1 yards per game), second in total offense (229.6) and fourth in passing efficiency (146.4). Yeah, he made mistakes at some crucial times, but overall he did a good job of leading Georgia’s offense. I don’t really believe Richt had him on the field and Mason on the sideline just out of loyalty, especially in a season where his job was on the line. Murray was the best quarterback Georgia had this season. And I don’t see that changing in 2012.

Barry Morton writes: Now that the Georgia-Florida game will cost $20 more per ticket, how much is UGA going to charge us loyal season ticket holders for Buffalo, Florida Atlantic and Georgia Southern? Don’t mind a modest increase for SEC games, but how about a break on the others? By the way, any idea on how much MIssouri will cost? Oklahoma State ripped us off.

Karen Huff of the UGA athletic office says the price for single home-game tickets will be $45 this coming season, SEC or otherwise. She said they don’t yet know the price for the Florida game or any of the away games.

Roger Hoy writes: Bill, As a UGA grad who lives in Nebraska I really appreciate your columns and the AJC coverage of UGA football. As a professor at the University of Nebraska, I also follow UNL football. I was really glad that UGA and UNL did not meet in post season but I suppose with the Big Ten SEC bowl pairings, it will now happen occasionally. It has been quite a contrast the past two years watching Aaron Murray and Taylor Martinez, as freshmen and sophmores. UGA fans should be delighted to have a quaterback as cool and competent as Murray. Just watch some footage of Martinez trying to throw for comparison. One other comment: I think that fans do not appreciate how much growing takes place between freshman and senior years for college students. I am amazed how freshmen arrive at UNL as kids and leave as adults. I think that the expectations we place on players like [Isaiah] Crowell as true freshman are way too high and we all need to realize that much growing and maturation still has to take place. I expect great things from UGA next year with so many players returning. There must be some real magic on the defense especially, as I think some players did not jump to the NFL so they could see how good they really could be next year. This is a real testament to [Todd] Grantham and Richt and the defensive position coaches for the environment they have created.

You make some good points. I think it’s way too early to write off Crowell. And if Murray can get a handle on his ball-security issues, the fan qualms about quarterback should be quietened. Best of all, returning just about the entire defense should indeed be a huge factor in the 2012 season.

Rodney Brown writes: Bill, just wanted to ask a question about the use of Nick Marshall. Do you see them using him as the emergency 3rd string QB? Seeing that Mason will redshirt, I think Marshall getting more utilization is a must to keep teams honest.

If Aaron Murray, Hutson Mason and Christian LeMay all were to get hurt then, yeah, I suppose Marshall might get the call as the starting quarterback. But in the meantime it would be nice to see Georgia make more use of him on offense, and based on what happened this past season with Brandon Boykin and Branden Smith, I think that’s likely to happen.

Heath Schoenfeld is raising his sons right. (Family photo)

Heath Schoenfeld is raising his sons right. (Family photo)

Finally, Heath Schoenfeld of Vero Beach, Fla., writes: Good morning Bill! As always, I love to read your insight into the UGA program. I had written back in the summer and you had posted my story of finally getting season tickets and taking my twin sons (and their Gator Mom) to their first football games. I just wanted to thank you for the tips. I was able to make the 9 hour drive for 4 games this year plus the Outback Bowl here in Florida. I wanted to send you a [photo] of the boys’ first game, which was Homecoming. I thought that might be the easier game to slide out of in case my 4 year olds started acting like 4 year olds. Sure enough, we had to scoot at halftime, but the game was comfortably in hand by then! The boys even got to ring the bell on the way across campus. Thanks again and I hope to see you next fall in Athens! Go Dawgs!

Congratulations on getting them started early as Dawg fans. With a devoted fan like you as a dad, those boys will likely be wearing red and black for the rest of their lives!

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237 comments Add your comment

claytondawg

January 22nd, 2012
9:15 am

OOOPS…misspelled trophy.

RedandBLackDAWG

January 22nd, 2012
9:28 am

13-1@ 1/22/07::46AM,

Those were not my remarks. I didn’t type them, so I am sure they were either written by somebody using my Nick, or a deliberate attempt by you to try and put me in a wrong light. I can understand if it was somebodies childish attempt at trying to be clever, so I hope it wasn’t you. Haters gonna hate, and not much I can do about it. Sad that someone would stoop so low as top do that though, hardly unexpected. It just proves my point further.

Joey

January 22nd, 2012
9:37 am

I have decided there is absolutely no reason to question anything to do with Mark Richt’s football program. No, not because of the scolding one gets from AltamahaDawg.

But, rather the fact that after several seasons of lousy coaching (he himself adknowledged this by stating he would “start studying cutting-edge football – yep, after 10 seasons as head coach), retaining terrible assistants, culminating in a 6-7 record, utter failure of beating ANY good team, losing two bowls in a row, Mark Richt has getting a new contract (and raise), for beating ten of eleven teams (most of them, historically lousy) UGA was favored to beat, and losing to three more where UGA was an underdog.

In other words, Richt almost succeeded in winning the games he should, and didn’t upset anybody else, and gets rewarded – bigtime.

So, that’s it, Richt is here for 4 or 5 more years, unless he has a Magical 10-Win Season in one of those 5 years, whereby he would be extended yet again.

McGarity and Co have validated his football program with the new contract, so at UGA, it’s not only okay to be average, it gets rewarded!

Jacket99

January 22nd, 2012
9:52 am

UGA wins more games than they lose. They get some of the best recruits in the country. They have a head coach who is a good man and represents the school well. The stadium is usually full, except for the student section. They just won their division. More than half the BCS schools in the nation would gladly trade places with UGA. And you want to fire Richt?

If you fire Richt, expect to be the next Tennessee Vols. You do see how things have gone for them since they fired Fulmer?

Whatever. Fire Richt and I will be laughing every November.

BigRedandBlack Dawg

January 22nd, 2012
10:08 am

The Dawgs will win the East, the SEC and National Championship to next year. Why? Because the Dream Team (anybody remember them?) will have a year of experience and Murray is just getting better.

This will be our 6th National Championship and lead to a dominant run for the best college football program in the country. We have the best facilities and we get all the recruits we want out of the best state for High School football in the country. I know because I played ball in Cobb Co. and would have been a Dawg but I blew out my knee my softmore season.

Go Dawgs!

Joey

January 22nd, 2012
10:13 am

“If you fire Richt, expect to be the next Tennessee Vols”
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That’s just silly.

UGA won’t ever fire Mark Richt, but if we did get a new head coach, why would it have to turn out like UT?

It could turn out like some of these teams also: OK, who was bad for years prior to Stoops, Or like Texas and Mack Brown. Or USC before Carroll. Or LSU and Bama before Saban. TCU and Patterson. UF hit the jackpot twice with Spurrier and Myer.

For ever coaching change that didn’t go well, there’s one that turned out spectacularly.

Old Dog

January 22nd, 2012
10:17 am

.” I am not sure I agree with the premise that there has not been open competition at the QB position at UGA. Why would Richt play an inferior quarterback when his job is on the line?”

Because he is loyal to stupidity. Why did he keep Martinez until his job was on the line? Why is he keeping Bobo when it could still cost him his job? Because he is loyal to a fault!

Old Dog

January 22nd, 2012
10:22 am

” I know because I played ball in Cobb Co. and would have been a Dawg but I blew out my knee my softmore season”

I would have expected Richt to give you a scholarship anyway. We all know he is not Saban.

Bama Mike

January 22nd, 2012
10:24 am

There is some logic to the argument but rather count it as a half, only allow overtime during diviisional play and bowls. Ties would be a half of game. It would creat a lot of interesting finishes.

Joey

January 22nd, 2012
10:27 am

BigRed, have you not noticed that the Richt/Bobo offense gets shut down for quarters (and halves) at a time when we play Top 10 teams? Have you not noticed that even Richt’s best teams ALWAYS lose games to teams they shouldn’t to? UF in ‘02, and ‘05, UT and SC in ‘07.

So now a leopard is gonna change its spots?

I’m hoping for the best, like every season, but I’ve learned that hoping for Richt to win the Big Game is just disappointment waiting to happen.

Old Dog

January 22nd, 2012
10:27 am

Mark Richt should have fallen on his knees and personally thanked Kevin Butler for saving his job by tackling that Vandy player. Without that, it would have been a 9-win season and no East championship.

Bama Mike

January 22nd, 2012
10:27 am

My top 5 for 2011 SEC
1. Alabama
2. LSU
3. Arkansas
4. South Carolina
5. Georgia

2012 Projections

1. Arkansas
2. Alabama
3. LSU
4. Georgia
5. South Carolina

BigRedandBlack Dawg

January 22nd, 2012
10:31 am

Old Dog,
I really couldn’t play anymore, so I went to UGA and just cheared from the stands and had a bunch of fun.

Old Dog

January 22nd, 2012
10:31 am

I think playing teams such as Coastal Carolina and Arizona State should only count as 1/4 game towards the season. And the stats from those should not count towards Aaron Murray Stats.

BigRedandBlack Dawg

January 22nd, 2012
10:32 am

Joey,
We’ll lose some games along the way – happens to every team. But we have the best talent in the country.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

January 22nd, 2012
11:35 am

What time is Dwag viewing at ACC Jail? Sorry, I mean what time is Visitation at AAC Jail?

HOUDAWG

January 22nd, 2012
11:38 am

Shankit ….. you got that right ! He’s never gotten over that day in ‘66 ……

dan

January 22nd, 2012
11:40 am

Hey I think South Carolina came out on the winning end of the equation. They didn’t have to play LSU( who would have murdered them), and they won their bowl game which put them at 11-2 for the season. The SEC East title doesn’t mean that much anyway.

dan

January 22nd, 2012
11:42 am

Pretty good predictions Bama Mike. I think Arkansas is going to be tough next year too.

bamafan

January 22nd, 2012
11:45 am

For the record, while some may not agree wuth the whole “greyshirting” process, there hasn’t been an instance where he didn’t follow through with a scholarship for that player

GEK DAwg

January 22nd, 2012
11:58 am

Georgia will beat sc this year in columbia and win the SEC east again. Ga’s roster is loaded and sc has a bunch of holes. Ga v. Alabama for the SEC title–bet the house!

Still@theKool-aidBAR

January 22nd, 2012
12:01 pm

Gek Dwag how many UGa players get arrested before the Dwags make that run.

Jacket99

January 22nd, 2012
12:01 pm

Joey

January 22nd, 2012
10:13 am
“If you fire Richt, expect to be the next Tennessee Vols”
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That’s just silly.
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You may be right, Joey. But are Bulldog season ticket holders, alumni, and donors willing to take the chance?

Pago Pago Dawg

January 22nd, 2012
12:04 pm

Can we just beat USC and win a bowl game sometime, gessh.

ole yeller

January 22nd, 2012
12:19 pm

When the dawgs show up at “SC” in 2012 for the EAST showdown. I’m sure the winner will shup up the other blogers. It will be a good game. I think The dawgs will be playing for the lead in the East.
I feel that the “O” line will be ready and the “RB’s” will be ready. If those two factors in to be true “SC” is in trouble. Even with their super “RB” back It will be intresting to see if he run like he did in 2011 befor he got hurt or if run’s with some fear from his injury. He should know there is a bulleye on his chest now that has covered the “S”, and no one is going to feel sorry for him.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

January 22nd, 2012
12:23 pm

ole yeller funny that you think ANYTHING will shut-up bloggers. I didn’t see that Bama winning the BCS Championship shut-up any UGa fans.

Red Stick

January 22nd, 2012
12:25 pm

Bama Mike

January 22nd, 2012
10:27 am

“2012 Projections

1. Arkansas
2. Alabama
3. LSU
4. Georgia
5. South Carolina”

I don’t see Arkansas, losing Joe Adams, Jarius Wright, Greg Childs, along with their top tackler and Bama with only 8-9 starters returning being the favorite over LSU.

My early prediction:

1. LSU
2. Georgia
3. Alabama
4. Arkansas
5. South Carolina

ole yeller

January 22nd, 2012
12:26 pm

@Still@the K_Ab
You are probably right in that assesment but I think it will help.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

January 22nd, 2012
12:32 pm

Ole Yeller we have to have the back and forth no matter what so this medium stays free and keeps the advertiser paying the bill.

duronimo

January 22nd, 2012
1:47 pm

It’s loyalty to a fault when quarterbacks who come to Georgia aren’t given a shot to compete. Murray’s numbers are totally skewed by the schedule. The numbers that count are the ones he has against decent competition. In my view he’s a total failure in that regard and there is a two year body of work to prove it. Absolutely no way would Saban, Miles, Petrino or Spurrier close off competition with such a documented deficiency at the position. That’s why it’s loyalty detrimental to the team.

duronimo

January 22nd, 2012
1:52 pm

Joey is totally correct in his assessment.

Alphare

January 22nd, 2012
2:05 pm

1. USC has 10-2 regular season record, same with UGA
2. USC East record is 5-0, UGA 4-1
3. USC ranked 2 spots ahead of UGA
4. USC actually beat UGA head-on

Why would UGA as a 2nd ranked team represent East instead of USC?

Alphare

January 22nd, 2012
2:29 pm

5. USC beat 2 end-of-season ranked teams, while UGA beat none.

Alphare

January 22nd, 2012
2:52 pm

1. USC has 10-2 regular season record, same with UGA
2. USC East record is 5-0, UGA 4-1
3. USC ranked 2 spots ahead of UGA
4. USC actually beat UGA head-on
5. USC beat 2 end-of-season ranked teams, while UGA beat none.

Why would UGA as the 2nd ranked represent the East instead of #1 ranked USC?

If you don’t think the system is broken, you are either blind or overwhelmed by homerism.

outlaw

January 22nd, 2012
3:07 pm

UGA fans would be saying the same thing if SC won the east without beating anyone like uGA did in 2011, it looks like it sets up the same way in 2012, maybe UGA will get LSU, Bama, Ark on thier schedule again one day….or Ole Miss, Vandy, Miss State, Kentucky will step up and play well so the East will have the best team not schedule in Atlanta in Dec

Beast from the East

January 22nd, 2012
4:11 pm

“I know because I played ball in Cobb Co. and would have been a Dawg but I blew out my knee my softmore season.”

Softmore? And you are a UGA grad? REALLY?

in-the-know

January 22nd, 2012
5:23 pm

Enter your comments here

SCMAN

January 22nd, 2012
6:31 pm

Scoreboard X 2

coma toast

January 22nd, 2012
7:04 pm

I LOVE IT WHEN BigRedandBlack Dawg TELLS THAT STORY ABOUT HIS KNEE…THAT IS SOME FUNNY SHAT!

We Run The East

January 22nd, 2012
7:19 pm

Dawg fans, get back to me when and if you EVER beat (you know, on the scoreboard) SC again. Until then, SC is better. I know, I know, UGA has a better history than UGA, but go back far enough and college football was dominated by the service acadamies (Army, Navy, etc…) and teams like Georgia Tech. Great coaching (and bad coaching at UGA) has developed SC into a better team than UGA. 45-42, saw it with my own two eyes, We Run the East.

Randy McMichael

January 22nd, 2012
8:01 pm

I need to give S. Cummings a phone call. I might see if he wants to wear my jersey # next year!

East Repeat

January 22nd, 2012
8:18 pm

Since the SEC went with the division format, has UGA ever beaten every East team? No, lose to FL almost every year and the years you beat FL you have already lost to SC. I know SC will beat UGA and I bet FL will also.

NCDAWG

January 22nd, 2012
10:08 pm

@East Repeat South Carolina where tradition runs thin

truedawg

January 22nd, 2012
11:22 pm

you can never have too many RB’s !! and Ole ball coach will always hate UGA, due to the fact he couldn’t beat UGA as a player! UGA is stacked this year, and no more Melvin at USC..so yeah take hom out of the game (and UGA have a kicker) and UGA wins by 2 touchdowns.! GO DAWGS!!

Buzz2011

January 23rd, 2012
12:35 am

The ole ball coach has beaten the Dawgs everytime they have played his teams. SC should have been SEC east champs as they took out the Dawgs and played a much heavier schedule. They will have no problem winning it this year. The kid Lattimore is the best rusher in the SEC…

Preston

January 23rd, 2012
12:53 am

Cry us a river South Kackalackians.

Preston

January 23rd, 2012
12:54 am

The kid Lattimore can’t seem to stay healthy.

Preston

January 23rd, 2012
12:59 am

We Run the East, then why did UGA play in the CG? LMFAO at you idiots in denial.

13-1

January 23rd, 2012
5:52 am

RedandBLackDAWG January 22nd, 2012 9:28 am

“Those were not my remarks. I didn’t type them, so I am sure they were either written by somebody using my Nick, or a deliberate attempt by you to try and put me in a wrong light. I can understand if it was somebodies childish attempt at trying to be clever, so I hope it wasn’t you. Haters gonna hate, and not much I can do about it. Sad that someone would stoop so low as top do that though, hardly unexpected. It just proves my point further.”
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Nah, you didn’t say anything like that. Nah, Never.
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RedandBlackDAWG January 12th, 2012 5:30 am

“if our offense steps it up a little. The key to them being successful this year, is the OL being ready to go, the RB’s doing their job and cutting down on mistakes and the OC needs to stop calling a conservative game plan. If we can bury some of our opponents instead of expecting our D to preserve the game”

“If the offense plays consistently, there is no reason why we can’t bury more opponents”
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Is it coming back to you yet RedandBLackDAWG ? Did you say this, or not ? Want to try to lie that you didn’t say this, or not RedandBLackDAWG

East Repeat

January 23rd, 2012
7:12 am

Yes, but SC has a very thick recent tradition of beating the Dawgs. I guess Alabama is in denial about LSU being a better team? LSU won its division, just like the Dawgs won their division Yep, LSU and UGA are definetly the best teams in their divisions, NOT! This will be 2 years where the best team the Dawgs play is South Carolina. SC will play at least 2 teams (LSU and Ark) who should be better than Dawgs. Eventually, good will toward Dawgs (overrated in preseason and in final polls) will run out.