Fan talk: Now South Carolina wants to change the rules

sec-pinwheel-logojpg-f806e20b1171f261Time to dip into some of this week’s Junkyard Mail. …

MonroeDawg writes: Did you see the latest from South Carolina? They’re so upset about losing the SEC East to Georgia that their athletic department is petitioning the SEC to change the rules so that games against your own division count a whole game while games against the other division only count half a game. They still can’t get over the fact that they beat Georgia and all the other SEC East teams this year but lost the division because the Dawgs had a better overall conference record. I can’t believe they’ll get anywhere with this. What do you think?

I think those grapes are mighty sour over in Gamecock country. The proposal you mention came from USC-East trustee Chuck Allen, who can’t handle South Carolina not winning the East two years in a row. One division title and suddenly they’re feeling entitled in Columbia! “It just seems fair that the team that won all its division games would be the division champ,” Allen whined. Of course, had the Gamecocks beaten Top 10 Arkansas this past season, I doubt anyone in garnet and black would have been arguing it should be worth only half a win in the standings. And let’s note that South Carolina’s other loss was to an Auburn team that Georgia beat like a drum. Anyway, I don’t think this plan will get very far. As Charles Bloom, the SEC’s associate commissioner, told The State newspaper, “The philosophy of the league has always been that all conference games are weighted the same.”

Rodney Hampton was part of a great lineup of running backs in Athens. (University of Georgia)

Rodney Hampton was part of a great lineup of running backs in Athens. (University of Georgia)

Jim, Class of ‘84, writes: Bill, who was our great trio? Was it Worley, Henderson, and Hampton that all played together at same time? Or am I mixing up classes? I remember Vince [Dooley] having a great trio that worked well together in the ’80s. With our recruitment and commitments of [Keith] Marshall and [Todd] Gurley … I believe we need to show these guys that it can work well for them to have multiple top-notch backs at same time at UGA. Of course, hopefully this makes [Isaiah] Crowell into a better back also. There have been many teams in college that have had high quality 3 and 4 deep backs. … Let’s let these kids know they can all achieve their goals with multiple talented backs on team.

All they have to do is look at the 2011 LSU team to see what multiple tailbacks can accomplish. But, to answer your question, Tim Worley, Keith Henderson and Rodney Hampton all played together only in the 1988 season, Vince Dooley’s last. Worley led the team with over 1,200 yards rushing, Hampton topped 800 and Henderson had just over 400 and also caught quite a few passes. They were part of a great stable of backs between 1985 and 1989 that also included Lars Tate, but the Dogs never had all four playing at once. In ‘85 it was Worley as the leading rusher, followed by Henderson (who played fullback) and Tate. In ‘86, Tate led, followed by Henderson and Worley. Worley and Henderson sat out the 1987 season, which was Hampton’s freshman year, with academic problems, so that year it was just Tate and Hampton. Don’t forget, though, that the Dogs have had tailback-by-committee situations in the Mark Richt era, too. In 2006, it was Kregg Lumpkin, Danny Ware and Thomas Brown. And the next year Knowshon Moreno and Brown alternated, though a gimpy Lumpkin was not much of a factor.

Chris Morley asks: Is our No. 2 QB better than our starting QB? Should the position be open in the spring? And Clay Brisbois writes: I know one of CMR’s most endearing qualities to his players is his loyalty, but I for one hope that the QB competition is opened up again this spring. Remember that [Aaron] Murray won and kept the starting job as a freshman not so much because he earned it, but because his competition selected out. I love Murray’s heart and passion, but I don’t feel like I saw as much improvement in him over the course of these two seasons as I would have expected. With another favorable schedule this fall, it wouldn’t be too much of a risk to try a new guy out, especially considering you’d have Murray to fall back on. Let’s give [Hutson] Mason and [Christian' LeMay and even [Faton] Bauta a chance to compete this year, and hold off on any redshirting until the fall for Mason. I’d love to hear your perspective on the possibility of opening up the QB competition.

I don’t think an open competition for starting quarterback is very likely. As we discussed this week, Murray, who set a UGA single-season record for touchdown throws, ranked second in the SEC in passing (220.1 yards per game), second in total offense (229.6) and fourth in passing efficiency (146.4). Yeah, he made mistakes at some crucial times, but overall he did a good job of leading Georgia’s offense. I don’t really believe Richt had him on the field and Mason on the sideline just out of loyalty, especially in a season where his job was on the line. Murray was the best quarterback Georgia had this season. And I don’t see that changing in 2012.

Barry Morton writes: Now that the Georgia-Florida game will cost $20 more per ticket, how much is UGA going to charge us loyal season ticket holders for Buffalo, Florida Atlantic and Georgia Southern? Don’t mind a modest increase for SEC games, but how about a break on the others? By the way, any idea on how much MIssouri will cost? Oklahoma State ripped us off.

Karen Huff of the UGA athletic office says the price for single home-game tickets will be $45 this coming season, SEC or otherwise. She said they don’t yet know the price for the Florida game or any of the away games.

Roger Hoy writes: Bill, As a UGA grad who lives in Nebraska I really appreciate your columns and the AJC coverage of UGA football. As a professor at the University of Nebraska, I also follow UNL football. I was really glad that UGA and UNL did not meet in post season but I suppose with the Big Ten SEC bowl pairings, it will now happen occasionally. It has been quite a contrast the past two years watching Aaron Murray and Taylor Martinez, as freshmen and sophmores. UGA fans should be delighted to have a quaterback as cool and competent as Murray. Just watch some footage of Martinez trying to throw for comparison. One other comment: I think that fans do not appreciate how much growing takes place between freshman and senior years for college students. I am amazed how freshmen arrive at UNL as kids and leave as adults. I think that the expectations we place on players like [Isaiah] Crowell as true freshman are way too high and we all need to realize that much growing and maturation still has to take place. I expect great things from UGA next year with so many players returning. There must be some real magic on the defense especially, as I think some players did not jump to the NFL so they could see how good they really could be next year. This is a real testament to [Todd] Grantham and Richt and the defensive position coaches for the environment they have created.

You make some good points. I think it’s way too early to write off Crowell. And if Murray can get a handle on his ball-security issues, the fan qualms about quarterback should be quietened. Best of all, returning just about the entire defense should indeed be a huge factor in the 2012 season.

Rodney Brown writes: Bill, just wanted to ask a question about the use of Nick Marshall. Do you see them using him as the emergency 3rd string QB? Seeing that Mason will redshirt, I think Marshall getting more utilization is a must to keep teams honest.

If Aaron Murray, Hutson Mason and Christian LeMay all were to get hurt then, yeah, I suppose Marshall might get the call as the starting quarterback. But in the meantime it would be nice to see Georgia make more use of him on offense, and based on what happened this past season with Brandon Boykin and Branden Smith, I think that’s likely to happen.

Heath Schoenfeld is raising his sons right. (Family photo)

Heath Schoenfeld is raising his sons right. (Family photo)

Finally, Heath Schoenfeld of Vero Beach, Fla., writes: Good morning Bill! As always, I love to read your insight into the UGA program. I had written back in the summer and you had posted my story of finally getting season tickets and taking my twin sons (and their Gator Mom) to their first football games. I just wanted to thank you for the tips. I was able to make the 9 hour drive for 4 games this year plus the Outback Bowl here in Florida. I wanted to send you a [photo] of the boys’ first game, which was Homecoming. I thought that might be the easier game to slide out of in case my 4 year olds started acting like 4 year olds. Sure enough, we had to scoot at halftime, but the game was comfortably in hand by then! The boys even got to ring the bell on the way across campus. Thanks again and I hope to see you next fall in Athens! Go Dawgs!

Congratulations on getting them started early as Dawg fans. With a devoted fan like you as a dad, those boys will likely be wearing red and black for the rest of their lives!

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237 comments Add your comment

SOUTHGADAWG88

January 21st, 2012
5:00 pm

Murray would start this season at every school in the SEC.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

January 21st, 2012
5:08 pm

SOUTHGADWAG88……….sure 35:55minute MURRAY would but after the first INT and FUMBLE he would get pulled unlike at UGa. Hahahaahaa

Beast from the East

January 21st, 2012
5:53 pm

“Murray would start this season at every school in the SEC.”

Seriously? No he would not. I’m certain he would not start over the kid at Arky. Nor would he start over the kid who just won the NC at TrailaBama. Maybe the rest of the schools……maybe.

3-12 Against Ranked Teams

January 21st, 2012
5:59 pm

UGA fans like Bill are…….the most loyal and supportive of fans in the nation who accept and embrace mediocrity that represent the Mark Richt coached teams since 2005

3-12 Against Ranked Teams

January 21st, 2012
6:00 pm

Gonna be funny if Mettenberger outshines Murray this year…..

3-12 Against Ranked Teams

January 21st, 2012
6:04 pm

Sanders Commings arrested…….and so it begins. One semi-good season and old habits of Mark Richt coached teams return with a vengeance

……gonna be a long off season

GATORMAN

January 21st, 2012
6:04 pm

I am not sure what problems you are talking about ,I Know we have opportunities to deal with.

CH3

January 21st, 2012
6:07 pm

where was mack strong in the running back mix?

Gman84

January 21st, 2012
6:10 pm

Suckalina got lucky twice last year: lucky to beat us and lucky they didn’t play LSU.

You don’t have to change the rules to win the SEC East (maybe you do judging by the trophy case in Columbia) just don’t let bad teams beat you at home. Lose to Auburn-pay for Auburn.

bigcalidawg

January 21st, 2012
6:28 pm

Enter your comments here

LogicalUS

January 21st, 2012
6:28 pm

Look everyone know that SC has been the class of the SEC East for the past two years. They have gone 9-1 over the past two seasons which means that they have handled UGA\UF\UT etc both at home & away. It is why they are a top 10 team while UGA is buried down around 20.

But really it is of little consequence because SC lost in Fayetteville and UGA was blasted by LSU in Atlanta.

The national rankings have it right…1 BAMA\2 LSU\4 ARK\9 SC all top 10 with UGA at 18\19.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

January 21st, 2012
6:29 pm

What is S. Comming doing next semester?

The Tide is Rolling and Nothing can Stop it

January 21st, 2012
6:32 pm

Sanders Comming…penal colony…

bigcalidawg

January 21st, 2012
6:32 pm

It is always ill advised to make long-term decisions based on temporary feelings.

Go ahead and make the change. No difference. As close as UGA and USCe play one another, year-in-and-year-out, the rule will work for us just as frequently as it will against us. Next year will create an entirely different scenario.

The ol’ ball sack is certainly a crotchety one……….

Metamucil might help………….

The Tide is Rolling and Nothing can Stop it

January 21st, 2012
6:33 pm

Classy state…classy program…

Gainesville DAWG

January 21st, 2012
6:58 pm

In order to get two tickets to the Missouri game, one must donate $2,500 to the UGA fund.

Jim

January 21st, 2012
7:16 pm

Didn’t we hand that South Carolina game to them on a silver platter? Baybe that should only count a half game it worked for Saban. If we had a rematch with USC like Alabama and LSU did we would beat the socks off them.

Lester Miles

January 21st, 2012
7:32 pm

At least this blog is talking football while Chip Towers is doing what he loves best – digging up dirt on UGA and putting it down as fact when nothing has been verified. He uses large front page font to get a rise and geat a read on his trash reporting. Chip should let the authorities find the facts before he runs his mouth. If he was an insect he would be a dirt dauber.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

January 21st, 2012
7:37 pm

16-11 or 35:55minute MURRAY is the HEISMAN QB for 2012 for sure. I also make LOVE to Selma Hayek every night .

LogicalUS

January 21st, 2012
7:47 pm

“we hand that South Carolina game to them”

Good lord…not this nonsense still. SCs 1st rd draft DL scored two TDs and their 1st rd CB picked 6 the “2012 Heisman QB” for another.

They had better players who made plays which is why they are getting drafted in the 1st rd of the NFL draft.

It would have helped if UGA would not have given up 140 yrd rushing to the Lattimore kid in the 4th Q.

Better players made better plays to beat UGA in Athens. THAT IS WHAT BETTER TEAMS DO!

Bruce

January 21st, 2012
7:48 pm

Don’t understand all these fans wanting to see the QB position up for grabs. Where were they when Stafford was overthrowing recievers during his 3 yrs in Athens? Look at the stats people. Not sure why they think Mason (a qb with few offers from good footbal schools) would do a better job. He has only played in mop up roles. I like Mason & hope to see him play one day but seriously people, look at the stats. Most teams would kill to have a qb like Murray.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

January 21st, 2012
7:52 pm

Dude the Dwags beat the USC Chickens. Problem was that CROWELL was still SMOKE’N in the bus when the game was on the LINE. LOL

Dawg48

January 21st, 2012
7:56 pm

So all the rain today was actually tears from south Carolina? Makes since now!

Lester Miles

January 21st, 2012
8:05 pm

Tide is rolling? Do you live in Ala or Ga dork?

Lester Miles

January 21st, 2012
8:10 pm

SC fans sometimes the best team or player is not recognized as the best. Back when Herschel was a freshman and the best RB in the country the Heisman was given to the second best back George Rogers. Life is not always fair but you can’t change the rules just to suit you. Have a great day

Joe

January 21st, 2012
8:36 pm

Didn’t UGA and Scu play one common SEC West opponent last year? What else needs to be said. Oh yeah, Scu has sucked for well over 100 years, and their one opportunity to be decent is not going to affect the SEC rule makers. They will be back to their usual mediocrity next year.

5 star thug squad

January 21st, 2012
8:44 pm

Sanders Commings arrested for domestic violence. No news here.

Montez Robinson

January 21st, 2012
8:46 pm

You aren’t the only one Sanders.

S Spurrier

January 21st, 2012
8:48 pm

I really haven’t had that much trouble beatin ga.

Tell me again

January 21st, 2012
8:50 pm

What teams has Murray beaten?

Toad Grantham

January 21st, 2012
8:51 pm

I hope ya’ll liked my 2nd half adjustments against LSU and MI State.

Bruce

January 21st, 2012
8:59 pm

Guess these Murray haters were big Joe T III , Logan Gray & Joe Cox fans. Don’t know a pretty good QB when they have one.

Merry O'Marr

January 21st, 2012
9:32 pm

When Richter recruits lowlife thugs like Commings, and they beat up women, why should he be surprised?

sports

January 21st, 2012
9:55 pm

Alabama screwed that kid out of North Atlanta. Saban and his cronies went after the kid to sign and then put the shaft to him. The 85 player limit is a joke when some of these schools still stockpile and now the young man is screwed. The NCAA should got after this bunch!

13-1

January 22nd, 2012
5:46 am

YOU WANT THE HARSH TRUTH 10 DAYS BEFORE SIGNING DAY ?

SCHOLARSHIP SN 69 Ty Frix (6-0, 213, Jr.) Ty Frix is the son of an orthopedic surgeon, Mitch Frix who snapped for Kevin Butler. He (1) didn’t need a scholarship for any reason whatsoever and (2) demonstrates once again how Mark Richt spends his Scholarships on Special Teams when not another of the 120 Division 1-A FBS coaches, do.

SCHOLARSHIP 80 Taylor Bradberry (6-3, 192, Jr.) WR made 1 catch in his entire career, against Coastal Carolina and please note that he is a Senior in 2012. What a nice guy Mark Richt is.

SCHOLARSHIP 5 Blake Sailors (5-11, 186, RSo.)

SCHOLARSHIP 20 Brandon Harton (5-6, 174, RSo.) was our Running Back when all the entire Georgia Bulldogs’ Football Team’s Running Backs all everyone one of them failed the drug test Thursday night before the Florida game.

SCHOLARSHIP 95 Reuben Faloughi RSo. 6-5, 255

SCHOLARSHIP 36 Wes Van Dyk (6-0, 203, Jr.) played special teams vs Coastal Carolina and New Mexico State. What a nice guy Mark Richt is.

SCHOLARSHIP 49 Jason Veal (5-11, 220, Sr.) did not play

SCHOLARSHIP 65 John Bodin (6-6, 321, Jr.) played special teams against Tennessee Tech, Idaho State, New Mexico, New Mexico State and Coastal Carolina. Wonderful. What a nice guy Mark Richt, you are sir.

SCHOLARSHIP 15 Eric Elliot (5-9, 188, Sr.) played special teams against Auburn because of the huge lead, Coastal Carolina and New Mexico State. What a nice guy Mark Richt you are sir.

SCHOLARSHIP 90 Matthew DeGenova (6-1, 236, Sr.) got to play special teams, only against Coastal Carolina not Division 1-A, Ole Miss 2-10 and New Mexico State 4-9. Nice Mark Richt. What a nice guy Mark Richt is.

We sit around here, Gnashing our Teeth, over our 85 Scholarships, whining like South Carolina does about our Schedule about Alabama over-signing; and here are all 10 of these walk-ons playing special teams with SCHOLARSHIPS.

Duh, we are short players around here. 10 Walk-ons using our 85-man limit for 2011 and we wonder why at the end of the bowl game the team was GASSED ?

RedandBLackDAWG

January 22nd, 2012
7:43 am

Just like almost all of the blogs on AJC, after about a half of a web page, the loud mouths and UGA haters dominate the damn things and football once again is forgotten. Bill puts up some interesting topics for discussion and the idiots run the village. They change their blog handles more often than they change their under wear, but you still know it is the same old crap. Some like still at the bar, don’t change their names but don’t change their rhetoric either. Jealousy is such a strong motivation to so many of these folks. It is hard to imagine that some of you, at least chronologically, are of adult age. You would think they could at least show a little respect for their own schools, and go to their blogs, but that would be hoping for too much. I would imagine their own blogs are tired of their stupidity as much as UGA fans are here.

13-1

January 22nd, 2012
7:46 am

Critizing the Georiga Bulldogs’ football program, you mean like

YOURSELF ?

RedandBlackDAWG January 12th, 2012 5:30 am

If you are a true DAWG fan and not some troll making rude remarks on this blog, you have to feel

our offense hasn”t stepped it up
the OL has not been ready to go
the RB’s are not doing their job
the Offense makes too mistakes
the OC needs to stop calling a conservative game plan
we cannot bury our opponents
we expect our Defense instead to preserve the game
the offense does not play consistently
there is no reason why we can’t bury more opponents
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“You’ll quit criticizing this team. I am the only person around here who is allowed to do that, not you, and not anyone else other than just I and just I alone – even if I didn’t say anything about our # 80 Special Teams.”

Dawg4

January 22nd, 2012
8:07 am

The offensive line will not have enough practice and experience to learn how to block for both pass and run plays to be championship caliber. The defense will have to help in the scoring. With the Special teams having to be rebuilt it will be a huge factor in what happens next year.

minnesota dawg

January 22nd, 2012
8:08 am

Those who win the most games get the prize!

StephenDawg

January 22nd, 2012
8:08 am

People tend to forget about the other back on the 88 team, Alphonso Ellis. I believe he was one of the best blockers ever to wear the Red and Black. RIP Alphonso.

Georgia is a product of their schedule

January 22nd, 2012
8:10 am

Congrats on getting destroyed in the SEC championship and losing another bowl game. You were indeed a fine representative of the SEC East.

What was your signature win?

minnesota dawg

January 22nd, 2012
8:12 am

It also helps separate teams in our division that are not as good as you thought the first of the season, yet allows teams that started slow to get a second chance to win their division like Georgia. I would tend to think that how we were playing at the end of the season, we would have beaten South Carolina if we played them again.

Sanders Commings

January 22nd, 2012
8:14 am

What did Richt expect? When you recruit thugs, you get thug behavior.

minnesota dawg

January 22nd, 2012
8:14 am

GA is product of their schedule. Did we reach the SEC Championship or not? We did what we needed to do. What was your team? Did they do what they needed to? No!

Joe

January 22nd, 2012
8:23 am

Georgia and Scu both played a terrible Auburn team from the West. Georgia throttled Auburn and Scu lost to Auburn, with Marcus Lattimore. That is why UGA won the East. It’s pretty simple.

68UGA

January 22nd, 2012
8:49 am

To quote Spurrier after the UGA game; “sometimes you get out played and still manage to win”. Everyone who saw that game knows that if we played 5 times UGA would have won 4 of the 5.

Old Dog

January 22nd, 2012
8:57 am

” If we had a rematch with USC like Alabama and LSU did we would beat the socks off them”

Or we might hand it to them on a silver platter again, just like we did MSU.

Loki

January 22nd, 2012
8:58 am

That’s alright……….we know who really won the east………we’ll meet up in October this year and beat you again…………

Old Dog

January 22nd, 2012
8:59 am

“What was your signature win?”

Our signature win was against Vandy, which we were supposed to blow out, but we managed to win with 1 second left by the skin of our teeth. One slight change in that game and South Carolina would have been the East champions.

claytondawg

January 22nd, 2012
9:14 am

Remember…all of you “historians” out there, 1966. I believe that was the year Spurrier won the Heisman; however, Florida LOST to UGA that year. If I’m not too mistaken, it was Bobby Etter’s run for a TD that beat the Gators. THAT’S why Spurrier literally hates UGA. (A little tarnish on the tropy?)