Fan talk: Now South Carolina wants to change the rules

sec-pinwheel-logojpg-f806e20b1171f261Time to dip into some of this week’s Junkyard Mail. …

MonroeDawg writes: Did you see the latest from South Carolina? They’re so upset about losing the SEC East to Georgia that their athletic department is petitioning the SEC to change the rules so that games against your own division count a whole game while games against the other division only count half a game. They still can’t get over the fact that they beat Georgia and all the other SEC East teams this year but lost the division because the Dawgs had a better overall conference record. I can’t believe they’ll get anywhere with this. What do you think?

I think those grapes are mighty sour over in Gamecock country. The proposal you mention came from USC-East trustee Chuck Allen, who can’t handle South Carolina not winning the East two years in a row. One division title and suddenly they’re feeling entitled in Columbia! “It just seems fair that the team that won all its division games would be the division champ,” Allen whined. Of course, had the Gamecocks beaten Top 10 Arkansas this past season, I doubt anyone in garnet and black would have been arguing it should be worth only half a win in the standings. And let’s note that South Carolina’s other loss was to an Auburn team that Georgia beat like a drum. Anyway, I don’t think this plan will get very far. As Charles Bloom, the SEC’s associate commissioner, told The State newspaper, “The philosophy of the league has always been that all conference games are weighted the same.”

Rodney Hampton was part of a great lineup of running backs in Athens. (University of Georgia)

Rodney Hampton was part of a great lineup of running backs in Athens. (University of Georgia)

Jim, Class of ‘84, writes: Bill, who was our great trio? Was it Worley, Henderson, and Hampton that all played together at same time? Or am I mixing up classes? I remember Vince [Dooley] having a great trio that worked well together in the ’80s. With our recruitment and commitments of [Keith] Marshall and [Todd] Gurley … I believe we need to show these guys that it can work well for them to have multiple top-notch backs at same time at UGA. Of course, hopefully this makes [Isaiah] Crowell into a better back also. There have been many teams in college that have had high quality 3 and 4 deep backs. … Let’s let these kids know they can all achieve their goals with multiple talented backs on team.

All they have to do is look at the 2011 LSU team to see what multiple tailbacks can accomplish. But, to answer your question, Tim Worley, Keith Henderson and Rodney Hampton all played together only in the 1988 season, Vince Dooley’s last. Worley led the team with over 1,200 yards rushing, Hampton topped 800 and Henderson had just over 400 and also caught quite a few passes. They were part of a great stable of backs between 1985 and 1989 that also included Lars Tate, but the Dogs never had all four playing at once. In ‘85 it was Worley as the leading rusher, followed by Henderson (who played fullback) and Tate. In ‘86, Tate led, followed by Henderson and Worley. Worley and Henderson sat out the 1987 season, which was Hampton’s freshman year, with academic problems, so that year it was just Tate and Hampton. Don’t forget, though, that the Dogs have had tailback-by-committee situations in the Mark Richt era, too. In 2006, it was Kregg Lumpkin, Danny Ware and Thomas Brown. And the next year Knowshon Moreno and Brown alternated, though a gimpy Lumpkin was not much of a factor.

Chris Morley asks: Is our No. 2 QB better than our starting QB? Should the position be open in the spring? And Clay Brisbois writes: I know one of CMR’s most endearing qualities to his players is his loyalty, but I for one hope that the QB competition is opened up again this spring. Remember that [Aaron] Murray won and kept the starting job as a freshman not so much because he earned it, but because his competition selected out. I love Murray’s heart and passion, but I don’t feel like I saw as much improvement in him over the course of these two seasons as I would have expected. With another favorable schedule this fall, it wouldn’t be too much of a risk to try a new guy out, especially considering you’d have Murray to fall back on. Let’s give [Hutson] Mason and [Christian' LeMay and even [Faton] Bauta a chance to compete this year, and hold off on any redshirting until the fall for Mason. I’d love to hear your perspective on the possibility of opening up the QB competition.

I don’t think an open competition for starting quarterback is very likely. As we discussed this week, Murray, who set a UGA single-season record for touchdown throws, ranked second in the SEC in passing (220.1 yards per game), second in total offense (229.6) and fourth in passing efficiency (146.4). Yeah, he made mistakes at some crucial times, but overall he did a good job of leading Georgia’s offense. I don’t really believe Richt had him on the field and Mason on the sideline just out of loyalty, especially in a season where his job was on the line. Murray was the best quarterback Georgia had this season. And I don’t see that changing in 2012.

Barry Morton writes: Now that the Georgia-Florida game will cost $20 more per ticket, how much is UGA going to charge us loyal season ticket holders for Buffalo, Florida Atlantic and Georgia Southern? Don’t mind a modest increase for SEC games, but how about a break on the others? By the way, any idea on how much MIssouri will cost? Oklahoma State ripped us off.

Karen Huff of the UGA athletic office says the price for single home-game tickets will be $45 this coming season, SEC or otherwise. She said they don’t yet know the price for the Florida game or any of the away games.

Roger Hoy writes: Bill, As a UGA grad who lives in Nebraska I really appreciate your columns and the AJC coverage of UGA football. As a professor at the University of Nebraska, I also follow UNL football. I was really glad that UGA and UNL did not meet in post season but I suppose with the Big Ten SEC bowl pairings, it will now happen occasionally. It has been quite a contrast the past two years watching Aaron Murray and Taylor Martinez, as freshmen and sophmores. UGA fans should be delighted to have a quaterback as cool and competent as Murray. Just watch some footage of Martinez trying to throw for comparison. One other comment: I think that fans do not appreciate how much growing takes place between freshman and senior years for college students. I am amazed how freshmen arrive at UNL as kids and leave as adults. I think that the expectations we place on players like [Isaiah] Crowell as true freshman are way too high and we all need to realize that much growing and maturation still has to take place. I expect great things from UGA next year with so many players returning. There must be some real magic on the defense especially, as I think some players did not jump to the NFL so they could see how good they really could be next year. This is a real testament to [Todd] Grantham and Richt and the defensive position coaches for the environment they have created.

You make some good points. I think it’s way too early to write off Crowell. And if Murray can get a handle on his ball-security issues, the fan qualms about quarterback should be quietened. Best of all, returning just about the entire defense should indeed be a huge factor in the 2012 season.

Rodney Brown writes: Bill, just wanted to ask a question about the use of Nick Marshall. Do you see them using him as the emergency 3rd string QB? Seeing that Mason will redshirt, I think Marshall getting more utilization is a must to keep teams honest.

If Aaron Murray, Hutson Mason and Christian LeMay all were to get hurt then, yeah, I suppose Marshall might get the call as the starting quarterback. But in the meantime it would be nice to see Georgia make more use of him on offense, and based on what happened this past season with Brandon Boykin and Branden Smith, I think that’s likely to happen.

Heath Schoenfeld is raising his sons right. (Family photo)

Heath Schoenfeld is raising his sons right. (Family photo)

Finally, Heath Schoenfeld of Vero Beach, Fla., writes: Good morning Bill! As always, I love to read your insight into the UGA program. I had written back in the summer and you had posted my story of finally getting season tickets and taking my twin sons (and their Gator Mom) to their first football games. I just wanted to thank you for the tips. I was able to make the 9 hour drive for 4 games this year plus the Outback Bowl here in Florida. I wanted to send you a [photo] of the boys’ first game, which was Homecoming. I thought that might be the easier game to slide out of in case my 4 year olds started acting like 4 year olds. Sure enough, we had to scoot at halftime, but the game was comfortably in hand by then! The boys even got to ring the bell on the way across campus. Thanks again and I hope to see you next fall in Athens! Go Dawgs!

Congratulations on getting them started early as Dawg fans. With a devoted fan like you as a dad, those boys will likely be wearing red and black for the rest of their lives!

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237 comments Add your comment

Phillip

January 21st, 2012
1:32 pm

Georgia has the better defense, the better QB, the better group of receivers, the better kicker believe it or not, etc. Georgia is the better team. Sometimes the better team doesn’t always win.

Like when the Saints lost to the Rams this past season? Please. Rams better than the Saints? Don’t think so. South Carolina thinks they’re up there with the big dogs but it’ll take them more years to truly establish themselves among the SEC elite. Georgia already has.

Georgia is a traditional powerhouse in the SEC.

Phillip

January 21st, 2012
1:35 pm

With the way UGA is recruiting and with the coaching on defense, look for Georgia to be competing for SEC titles every single year and that also means the National title. With the defense we have, we should win a lot of games. A lot of them.

Rick James

January 21st, 2012
1:39 pm

@Ted

Did you or can you read the article? It’s obvious by your posts that you dont no much about football.The implied rule changes have nothing to do with a national championship.All South Carolina had to do was beat a lowly Auburn and they would have won the east.

RamboDog

January 21st, 2012
1:41 pm

To You Morons….when the Gators pass us in “All Time” wins, you can speak..till then shut your mouth or I’ll shut it for you.

fla dawg

January 21st, 2012
1:42 pm

I am and always will be a dawg fan.. but for the past few years and for the foreseeable future, winning the SEC east is kinda hollow because whoever wins the east is maybe the 4th best team in the conference.

DAWG in Bama

January 21st, 2012
1:42 pm

WOW!!! Carolina Cry babies!!! Just look back at our 2007 year when we lost to tennessee but still had a better overall record than tennessee and still didn’t get into the seccg and tn got the nod into the seccg. We didnt pout like you guys are doing. It’s ok we’ll shut those mouths up in 2012 when we come into columbia and rock you back!!! GO DAWGS!!!

Rick James

January 21st, 2012
1:43 pm

@bamaguy

You need to slowly read the article again Teabagger..

fla dawg

January 21st, 2012
1:44 pm

jeez, Rambodog, are you related to Bacari Fudge?

Jarvis Jones

January 21st, 2012
1:46 pm

This article right here has me pumped already for the 2012 season. I already want Connor Shaw. Imma rock em back!

Muttneck

January 21st, 2012
1:47 pm

The only reason you “won” the east was you played the 3 worst teams in the sec from the west side. We saw what happened against lsu had you played them or alabama or ark in the reg season. Enjoy it again this year. Maybe you will luck into another east title only to be mutilated in the champ game again.

Jarvis Jones

January 21st, 2012
1:48 pm

WHEN SOUTH CAROLINA WINS AN SEC TITLE THEN THEY CAN TALK!

Jarvis Jones

January 21st, 2012
1:51 pm

Does SC realize we have 9 out of 11 starters returning on a defense that finished top 5 in the country in only the 2nd year in the 3-4? Boy, boy boy they just don’t know. We about to turn it up! Rambo, Williams, myself, Abry Jones, Alec Ogletree, Commings, Smith, etc

Dau-wg

January 21st, 2012
1:52 pm

USC wuz da bestest is da Eass. Dey beat us afta we couldn’ stop dem Broncos.

Rick James

January 21st, 2012
1:54 pm

In 1966 when Spurrier won the Heisman Georgia beat Florida which knocked them out of national championship contention and he’s held that grudge for 46 years so I’m sure that what happened this season reopened that wound.But all the Ole Ball Caoch had to do was beat Auburn an he was in.Cry me a river..

realistic UGA fan

January 21st, 2012
1:56 pm

glad to see Jarvis Jones takes the time to monitor this blog. maybe when he grows up he can be an impact player like jadeveon clowney.

Rick James

January 21st, 2012
1:56 pm

@Muttneck

South Carolina lost to one of the worst teams in the west and Georgia didnt..Boo Hoo

joe suggs

January 21st, 2012
1:57 pm

To East repeat : South Carolina is a rathole of a state ! You can’t even get enough good players in the state to field a team .

John Brantley

January 21st, 2012
1:57 pm

Jarvis Jones sacked me more times than Clowney did….:( I still have nightmares of Jones.

Clowney? Not so much.

realistic UGA fan

January 21st, 2012
1:58 pm

Jarvis… while you are on here posting… do y’all kid Rambo very much about changing his name from Fudge?

realistic UGA fan

January 21st, 2012
2:01 pm

the star power on here today is fantastic… glad to have John Brantley on board. and you are probably being truthful about Jones. he did haveva great day against y’all.
any chance you could get muschamp to post a couple of comments?

Jarvis Jones

January 21st, 2012
2:01 pm

Yeah man we did. It was funny too. Not a big deal. Rambo is the best safety in the country in 2012 after Barron left Alabama. Rambo will be a house-hold name around the country.

Will MUSTYchamp

January 21st, 2012
2:03 pm

We will suck for YEARSSS! I can’t coach!

bamaguy

January 21st, 2012
2:03 pm

A drunk Alabama fans teabags on Bourbon Street but the UGA starting CB is arrested on domestic violence charges this morning for slapping around his girlfriend.

doggone

January 21st, 2012
2:05 pm

Phillip—-I just drank my last glass of red kool aid. can you spare some?… and obviously you have the extra strength version,

realistic UGA fan

January 21st, 2012
2:08 pm

Jarvis… what influenced your decision the most as far as coming back home and what do you and your teammates think about all of the publicity about the “over signing” controversy?

you morons

January 21st, 2012
2:11 pm

@ Rambodog, what does the all-time wins have to do what the scenario I put? You know I’m right, so you have to resort to posting something stupid. Hillbilly.

Timmy Dog

January 21st, 2012
2:12 pm

Jarvis, when YOU win an SEC title, YOU can talk!

Jarvis Jones

January 21st, 2012
2:12 pm

My decision was a simple one. When USC (trojans) let me go after I suffered my neck injury I wanted to come back home and play in my home state. I would’ve been a USC trojan till this day had that never happened. But I’m so glad it did.

Jarvis Jones

January 21st, 2012
2:12 pm

@ Timmy Dog, shut up before I sack you.

SCDAWG

January 21st, 2012
2:15 pm

I live at a house divided on this issue. Sure it makes a little sense for USC to win the east, but they LOST TO AU. Hell with USC

Dog Kicker

January 21st, 2012
2:17 pm

UGA FRIEND

January 21st, 2012
2:22 pm

SC is acting childlish and silly in proposing such a change. However, they are not the only schools who act in such unrelistic manner when things do not go their way.

Rick James

January 21st, 2012
2:24 pm

@bamaguy

But the bama guy was so stupid that he did it on camera…

Rick James

January 21st, 2012
2:29 pm

@bamaguy

And dont leave out the stupid bama player that got caught in Florida with the weed this week.Maybe he cant take the pay cut going bama to the NFL so he decided to start a side business..

GATORMAN

January 21st, 2012
2:37 pm

I could not agree more with the need to change the rule. UGA backdoor ed their way into the title game .they were not deserving of playing in the game.UGA has not beaten any team of rank in years .thus when they play a rank team they get the hell beat out of them.UGA football team is a fraud.The only reason UGA is having any measure of success in the SEC is because the East is down .Mark my words UGA will not be playing in the SEC championship game next year .also UGA was given a soft schedule for 2012 which in turns spells out no nation title for UGA in 2012 (strength of schedule will kill you every time.

Nemo

January 21st, 2012
2:57 pm

Gatorman get used to losing to UGA again pal!!

Nemo

January 21st, 2012
2:58 pm

The East is down because the Gators suck!

Nemo

January 21st, 2012
3:07 pm

SC gave up 42 pts to UGA and had an improbable 28pts scored without their Offense having anything to do with it.The lamecoks know they aren’t an elite team.

GATORMAN

January 21st, 2012
3:28 pm

LMFAO!!! you rednecks were playing against a one leg QB the whole game and still you losers strugled to win the game.you caught a break last year . we will restore order this year (MARK IT DOWN) You mutts most agree with me on this fact if you had played the schedule we played last year. you guys would have a new coach in the words of (Melev MR would have been fired—————-lol.

Pago Pago DAWG

January 21st, 2012
3:32 pm

isbella will indeed start vs BUF., after one run, he’ll take himself out and do hip-hop.

GTBob

January 21st, 2012
3:40 pm

SC should be upset. They proved they were a much better team then UGA and UGA made the SEC championship just because they played the worst teams in the west. You can’t blame them for thinking there may be a better way to do things.

GATORMAN

January 21st, 2012
3:41 pm

The Truth Detector

January 21st, 2012
3:48 pm

Phillip

January 21st, 2012
1:32 pm
Georgia has the better defense, the better QB, the better group of receivers, the better kicker believe it or not, etc. Georgia is the better team. Sometimes the better team doesn’t always win.

Like when the Saints lost to the Rams this past season? Please. Rams better than the Saints? Don’t think so. South Carolina thinks they’re up there with the big dogs but it’ll take them more years to truly establish themselves among the SEC elite. Georgia already has.

Georgia is a traditional powerhouse in the SEC

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You have to be kidding me? Powerhouse? When?

Since no one can add comments about Cummings hitting a woman, I will do it here.

All the journalist at the AJC decided to slam or attempt to slam LSU and Alabama this week with slanted articles, I thought we should bring it to light that Cummings is arrested at UGA, and Orr was arrested at Florida, both active players.

Justice is served.

GATORMAN

January 21st, 2012
3:58 pm

I think he wanted to say (UNDERACHIEVERS HOUSE)

BiggdawgK

January 21st, 2012
4:11 pm

The comments from Roger Hoy were spot-on and made all the more relevant because he has watched kids go from freshman to grad on a personal level. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly some people forget how they acted when they were 18 years old. Of course on the internet everyone is 6′3” solid muscle and a millionaire

Topp Dogg

January 21st, 2012
4:28 pm

The Old Ballsack leaks tears again, boo hoo, LMFAO !

Still@theKool-aidBAR

January 21st, 2012
4:30 pm

Commings arrested and they shut down the THUG COMMENTS. Hahahahahaha
The Game Chickens are right UGA didn’t deserve the shot at LSU.

Still@theKool-aidBAR

January 21st, 2012
4:33 pm

35:55minute MURRAY is a JOKE and the Heisman is within his grasp as much as it was for NESBITT.

Couple of things

January 21st, 2012
4:57 pm

1. Why is everyone assuming Arkansas would beat Georgia. Richt is something like 5-1 against the Hogs, and the lone loss came when they blew a coverage late in the game.

2. I am not sure I agree with the premise that there has not been open competition at the QB position at UGA. Why would Richt play an inferior quarterback when his job is on the line?

SOUTHGADAWG88

January 21st, 2012
4:59 pm

Gatorman you guys have your own set of problems to deal with don’t you?