Fan talk: Looking at Georgia-LSU from both sides

big bulldog head logoEarlier this week a Bulldog friend of mine who lives in Baton Rouge reported that Tiger fandom was sounding a bit cocky about Saturday’s game with Georgia. But wanting to introduce some genuine Cajun flavor into the proceedings, I went to my favorite LSU fan, Louis Mayeux, for his view of the SEC Championship.

“While I’m confident that my LSU Tigers will beat Georgia in the SEC Championship game Saturday,” he said, “one memorable bit of history reminds me that nothing is certain in college football. In the 2001 SEC Championship, an 8-3 LSU team found itself in the same underdog’s role as Georgia this year, with No. 2 Tennessee in LSU’s present overwhelming favorite’s spot. The Volunteers were expected to win handily and head to the BCS championship game. But rising young coach Nick Saban’s Tigers upset Philip Fulmer’s Vols. The memory of that great win, which marked the beginning of LSU’s recent rise to college football prominence, should keep Tiger fans from overconfidence.”

Of course, Louis said, “LSU defensive coach John Chavis, who had that same role with Tennessee in 2001, is probably telling his great defense about that game as a cautionary tale.”

Noting that Chavis has been telling folks all year that his Tigers — led by Mo Claiborne, Tyrann Matheiu, Sam Montgomery and sleek sack master Barkevious Mingo — are the most talented group he’s ever had, Louis declared: “I’ve been watching LSU football since about 1957, and this is the best team I’ve ever seen.”

Having already beaten nationally ranked Oregon, West Virginia, Alabama and Arkansas, wins over the Dogs in Atlanta and in the BCS game would see this Tiger team finish 14-0 and lay claim to being among the all-time best college teams ever.

But, Louis allowed, “although LSU has tremendous depth, size and speed, Georgia is a ‘quality opponent,’ as LSU coach Les Miles would say. The Dawgs have a shot if they can get something close to the running attack that Alabama produced against the Tigers in a 9-6 loss. Trent Richardson broke loose for some strong gains for the Crimson Tide in that game, and if Georgia freshman running back Isaiah Crowell has a strong performance, Georgia quarterback Aaron Murray will feel less pressure passing. Murray appears more dependable than the Tide’s A.J. McCarron. Georgia looks to have more offensive balance than Alabama and Arkansas. But to have a chance at winning, Georgia must do an adequate job protecting Murray and avoid turnovers.”

LSU Tigers logoNo argument there. And I really can’t dispute Louis’ assessment that “LSU looks to have a big edge, with its ball-hawking, big-play defense” and that the Tigers’ depth at running back and offensive line “will be a big challenge for the fine Georgia defensive line.”

As for Jordan Jefferson, now solidly established as the No. 1 LSU quarterback, Louis noted he “has greatly improved as a passer, but could get flustered into making mistakes if Georgia can get a strong pass rush. Jefferson’s running ability is an added challenge for the Dogs.”

And, he noted, LSU also boasts special-team strength, an area that tends to either be a strength or a disaster for Georgia.

Louis doesn’t think predictions that LSU will get a place in the BCS title game no matter what happens Saturday will impact his team’s play against Georgia. “I expect the Tigers to bring their best effort,” he said. “This team is too competitive and deep not to.”

Louis’ take on the game is pretty reasonable. Of course, these are college kids we’re talking about so anything can happen. But let’s be honest: If Georgia wins this game, it will be the biggest upset of the year.

That said, I think Mark Richt’s Dogs are fully capable of winning this game if they play up to their full potential. But in order for that to happen the defense must control the No. 1-ranked Tigers’ run game and force Jefferson to go to the air under pressure. Georgia can’t afford any turnovers (that’s frequently how LSU starts one of its quick scoring spurts) and the Dogs must win the takeaway battle. Offensively, Mike Bobo has to call probably the best game of his career (he’s shown recently against Auburn and Georgia Tech that he has it in him), the line must somehow keep Murray on his feet, and Georgia’s QB has to be on target against LSU’s sticky-fingered secondary. He won’t get away with any ill-advised throws against this group.

In other words, it’s going to take a nearly perfect day for UGA and probably even then a bit of luck or some sort of meltdown on LSU’s part. But that sort of turn of events isn’t a rarity in college football.

If it somehow happens at the Georgia Dome Saturday, there’s no doubt we’ll be calling this a game for the ages.

With that, let’s let some more Dawg fans in on the discussion via the Junkyard Mail. …

Rontavius Smith writes: Hey Bill, I personally believe that my Dawgs have more than a fighting chance. It just seems to me that since the media says UGA has no chance, everyone just follows that direction. What’s your take on it? Do you think that all the disrespect to the UGA team will be used by the players to propel them past LSU and throw the world into shock?

I’ve been extremely impressed with what I’ve seen of LSU this season so I don’t think you can write the consensus expectation of a Tiger win off to media hype. Like I said above, though, the Dogs certainly are capable of pulling it off. Would that be enough to win them the respect they crave? Probably not. I’m not even sure a win over LSU would get Georgia into the Top 10 of the polls at this point.

Andrew Smith writes: Hey Bill, a wise man once told me a football game hinges on two things. Can you run the ball? Can you stop the run? I think the LSU game will be no different. If we can control the line of scrimmage then we will be more balanced and most likely not turn it over. I’m not that concerned with LSU’s offense but more with how they have forced turnovers and made teams one-dimensional on offense. How about you? Do you think our O-line will show up for the entire game or be hit or miss like other games during this season?

I think your wise man is on the mark. The question is, even if our O-line plays its best, will it be enough against LSU’s terrific pass rush?

dchesh45 writes: I think it’s going to come down to the Dawgs’ offense. I think their D will make plays and keep the Dawgs in the game. However, if the O can’t capitalize, the Tigers will wear them down. Special teams will also be clutch. [Blair] Walsh and [Drew] Butler have to be relaxed and need to just forget about the regular season. If the D shows up, Murray plays like he’s been, and Crowell/Thomas/Harton/Malcome provide some sort of run game to keep us from being one-dimensional, the Dawgs have a legit chance of the unthinkable. Let’s get out there and GATA Dawgs!!! Sic em!

Woof!

Jeff Myers writes: A UGA win will include our best special teams game of the season. Not just punting and field goal kicking, but coverage teams as well. Our defense must continue its formula for success. We may not shut down the run, but we must stop it enough to force long passing downs. Look for LSU to pound the ball, like they have all year, to tire UGA out. Our offense must be patient, and creative. Bobo had some great play calls against Tech, and a similar plan will be needed. Also, LSU will stuff our run game at times, and we can not get frustrated, we have to run and run creatively. And [Georgia must] win the turnover battle. This will be the best team we have played this year, they will make plays, and we may face adversity. The team must stay positive, and play with the heart of an SEC champion.

That’s actually the one thing that makes me most optimistic, Jeff. This has been Richt’s most resilient team and they’ve shown a lot of heart this season.

Keith Miller writes: Bill, I love the blog. I have a question that I’d love for all SEC fans to think about. First I’d like to say I love my Dawgs. Next I think LSU and Bama have been the best we have this year. But Bama lost, just like South Carolina. Why do we have a SEC championship game? To have a clear “best of the SEC.” We all say, coaches and fans alike, “we want to win the SEC, that’s our biggest goal.” Have we let the BCS nullify our champion? … How can we send any team that didn’t win its division and conference to represent us in a title game? I hated that our Dawgs didn’t go in ’07, but if they had played better early on … well we all know. My point is this: Champions are made of hard work and luck, and most of all a will to win in the games that matter most. What game is bigger than the SEC championship game? GO DAWGS, beat LSU!!

It’s a quirky system that doesn’t always see the best two teams in the BCS championship game, but think of it this way: If Georgia somehow wins, the SEC will probably get three teams into the BCS bowls — the Dawgs in the Sugar and LSU and Bama in the title game. From a conference standpoint, that would be pretty awesome.

Finally, Paula Bechtler writes: Hi Bill! I assume the Dawg Walk will take place Saturday inside the SEC Fan Fest at the Georgia World Congress Center — is that right? Do you know what time? Go Dawgs!

I put the question to UGA sports info guru Claude Felton, who reports: “No Dawg Walk this week, I’m afraid. Due to team entry locations, security and logistical issues, SEC guidelines do not provide for any special walks for either participating team.” However, pep rallies for fans of both schools are planned between 1:30 and 2:30 p.m. Saturday at the SEC FanFare in the Georgia World Congress Center. Admission to the FanFare (which runs 1-6 p.m. Friday and 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. Saturday) costs $10 for adults. Kids under age 12 can get in free on Friday and for $5 Saturday. By the way, gates to the Georgia Dome open at 2 p.m. Saturday. Also Saturday, Scott Woerner continues his string of public appearances promoting the “1980 Dawgs” DVD set. He’ll be greeting fans and signing autographs across from Centennial Olympic Park at the corner of Marietta Street and Centennial Olympic Park Drive from 5 to 9 p.m. Friday and 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Saturday.

Geaux Dawgs!

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321 comments Add your comment

JDawg1785

December 2nd, 2011
1:45 pm

Definitely, DawgInaTruck. This team was left for dead after the 0-2 start but showed a ton of character in coming together and rallying behind CMR to win 10 straight. Even if they don’t win tomorrow, I count this season as a tremendous success and step in the right direction.

TampaDawg

December 2nd, 2011
1:45 pm

RM

December 2nd, 2011
11:54 am

Dogs will have a chance if:
1. They fire the quarterback
2. They fire the coach
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This is an example of what happens when complete ignorance wakes up in the morning and decides to share that ignorance with the whole world. RM has to stand for REAL MORON!

@Red Stick .. that’s a great post from an LSU fan. Great logic and I couldn’t agree more. You guys should be confident having a great team. Thanks for displaying that confidence with REAL class.

ChicagoDAWG

December 2nd, 2011
1:55 pm

LOL really really DG?????? This is the MEDIOCRITY I am talking about…….. Stop letting 10 win seasons be the standard while other schools have NCS!!!! Oh I’m sorry and SEC titles…….. 2 to be exact!!!!!!!!!

LSUTigerinATL

December 2nd, 2011
2:11 pm

LSU owns the GA Dome! 8-1 overall. LSU by 30 points. Count on it.

G-Dawg

December 2nd, 2011
2:12 pm

Yet some of those teams have a NC with a 10 win season…so your rant has no basis. Better yet…just keep your sorry Dawg arse in Chi-town!!

UGA FRIEND

December 2nd, 2011
2:18 pm

CMR refused to discuss the status of the tailbacks Wednesday. Does anyone know if there is a change and will any announcement be made before the game?

Dr. Morpheus

December 2nd, 2011
2:20 pm

The greatest thing is UGA fans are excited again about our Dawgs. LSU should be favored but our team has shown us it has the right stuff. I see the Dawgs giving LSU a monumental fight and being in position to win if Lady Luck is smiling down upon us. Who knows, maybe Larry Munson will have his arm around her during the game… Go Dawgs!

ARdawg

December 2nd, 2011
2:23 pm

The Dawgs are ready.

UGA 29 – LSU 20

ChicagoDAWG

December 2nd, 2011
2:23 pm

@ G-Dawg, No Basis ??????? and we have those seasons without one (NC) …… That is the basis !!!!!!
But if you are just content with 10 win seasons so be it, not everyone expects to be champions….It’s unreal to expect that every year, but how about once every 10 years….. SMH

ChicagoDAWG

December 2nd, 2011
2:28 pm

Great Statement DR. Morpheus!

Lowcountry Bulldawg

December 2nd, 2011
2:30 pm

So lets say UGA wins and it is a 11 win season. We though finish with a 1-2 record against Top 25 teams, before the bowl game. The “only” Championship is a SEC Title, not the MNC. Was this a good year? Confused by some of the posts and standards some have.

Gold Dawg

December 2nd, 2011
2:33 pm

Just saw where IC is on the dress out roster.

Gold Dawg

December 2nd, 2011
2:34 pm

Maybe for the last time though.

LogicalUS

December 2nd, 2011
2:35 pm

LSU going away….38-6

Lets not pretend this isn’t the same UGA team which was stoned in Athens by Kentucky nor the UGA team which had to rely on a miracle shoestring tackle by their punter against Vandy after getting drug up and down the field.

Crowell calls it quits sometime before halftime and LSU names the score.

ARdawg

December 2nd, 2011
2:35 pm

Lowcountry

It would be an exceptionally good year. Any team can fall to 0-2 but, only the very special ones can fall 0-2, reel off 10 straight and be the Davis in a David and Goliath game and still win. Goegia can lose this game and it will still be a very special year IMHO

GREG

December 2nd, 2011
2:36 pm

i THINK ITS EVIDENT THAT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NEW mEXICO & CC, uga PLAYS TO THE LEVEL OF THE TEAM THEIR PLAYING, NOT SO GOOD TEAM, UGA’S OFFENSE BARELY SHOWS UP, GOOD OR BETTER TEAM, UGA’S OFFENSE DESTROYS THE OPPOSITION. THEY DID IT TO SC, AUBURN, AND GT. ANYTIME THERE WAS A LEGIT THREAT, UGA CAME OUT A DIFFERENT TEAM AND WITH FORCE; I BELIEVE THEY’LL DO IT THIS WEEKEND; THEY WONT SHOCK THE WORLD, BUT THEY’LL DEFINITELY SHOCK LES & LSU

ARdawg

December 2nd, 2011
2:36 pm

LogicalUS = Nerd

GREG

December 2nd, 2011
2:38 pm

I KNOW, THEY LOST TO SC, BUT THE OFFENSE SCORED 42 POINTS; YOU MINUS THE MISTAKES BY SPECIAL TEAMS, AND UGA OFFENSE DOMINATED

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

December 2nd, 2011
2:42 pm

UGA fans sound exactly like last years USC fans who claimed that USC would easily beat Auburn.

LSU 48

UGA 13

michael

December 2nd, 2011
2:49 pm

We need to throw to Figgins out of the backfield and throw to our backs in space because Murray will not have all day to throw it.

JDawg1785

December 2nd, 2011
2:53 pm

I’d love to see Bruce in on a couple of plays, michael! He’s pretty hard to drag down, maybe even for that physical front seven of LSU.

LHarding Dawg

December 2nd, 2011
2:55 pm

HAHAHA = Stupid

Dawg Gone

December 2nd, 2011
2:58 pm

@HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH where will your bunch be watching the game from tomorrow ?

DawgDad

December 2nd, 2011
2:59 pm

“It’s a quirky system that doesn’t always see the best two teams in the BCS championship game, but think of it this way: If Georgia somehow wins, the SEC will probably get three teams into the BCS bowls — the Dawgs in the Sugar and LSU and Bama in the title game. From a conference standpoint, that would be pretty awesome.”

It’s far worse than a “quirky system” if LSU loses and still plays for a mythical “National Championship”. If LSU loses and the SEC places three teams in the BCS only for that reason the backlash against the BCS and SEC will be terrible. The responsible thing for the league to do would be to restrict BCS participation to the SEC Champion and one other team.

From my perspective the BCS and its “National Championship” game is already a bad joke deserving no repetition. The BCS games should not pit teams from the same Conference against each other. Under the current system, at the end of the year the BCS Conference Champions and any at-large invitees should be seeded into the BCS Bowls. It escapes me how even this would be better than the old Bowl system.

ChicagoDAWG

December 2nd, 2011
3:01 pm

Who knew IC was such a jerk, why did we let him share his jersey number with a veteran!!!!!! I guess you live and learn…… another 5 star recruit with baggage…….. SMH We don’t need him anyway!!

G-Dawg

December 2nd, 2011
3:07 pm

History has even proven you can go undefeated and still not play for the NC. Its absurd to think a 10 win season is mediocrity in your books. Damn son!! If you understood football…it takes more than just a successful season to guarantee a NC spot! The rules of the BCS game are constantly changing..and its sickening that ESPN and reporters are already justifying a team can lose and still make it to the NC game. They change the rules of engagement in favor of what the nation wants to see. Its already takes enough energy to ward of the negativity of rival fans…but even worse when you have a cancer with your own fanclub you have to contend with as well. Therefore, all of you fairweather dawgfans are no better that Ealey and Co. who quit the team!! and you know the old proverbial saying…quitters never win!! Thus, you lose..and your fan card has been revoked..ahole!!

Joe Bob Thibodaux

December 2nd, 2011
3:09 pm

BiggdawgK

December 2nd, 2011
3:12 pm

The Dawgs can upset lsu but there is one thing that is certain and can not be disputed.

Anyone posting that is not a lsu or Georgia fan is a pathetic jealous little loser and that includes all the fake “fans” using lsu and Bulldog handles. Georgia is playing in the SEC Championship against the best team in the nation and your team will be watching it on tv. The most amusing are the gaytor and trade school whinebags talking smack. There is nothing at all in any way that points to either of your teams getting any better or winning more next year. Whie Georgia is a young team that loses very few starters and will have the nations best running back commit next week.

G-Dawg

December 2nd, 2011
3:14 pm

Let Figgins line up in the I-formation..carry the ball and pound against those LBs for a few qtrs to soften them up!!

7576DAWG

December 2nd, 2011
3:14 pm

Everyone knows that we beat South Carolina but lost the game because of turnover’s that went for scores . Even Spurrier admitted as much and said they were lucky with getting big play’s all day. If you look at the replay we most definitely out played them. Same thing with the LSU and Alabama game. Alabama out played LSU and should have won the game. They stayed in LSU territory all day. They just couldn’t kick a field goal.
Bottom line is LSU is beatable. They are a very good team but Georgia can beat them if we don’t turn the ball over and if we are patient. We have got to take advantage of the scoring opportunities when they come and Walsh has got to kick like he did his first three years. Bobo has got to accept that this may be a low scoring game and Murray doesn’t need to force any passes . Their defensive back’s are just too good . Murray need’s to play smart.

DawginLex

December 2nd, 2011
3:15 pm

AltamahaDawg

December 2nd, 2011
3:20 pm

I guess for thier price of admission, we have some fans that are just not going to count any yards from Crowell tomorrow on thier scorecards.

JDawg1785

December 2nd, 2011
3:21 pm

I like where you’re going, G-Dawg. Bruce is a weapon to be utilized!

Todd Grantham

December 2nd, 2011
3:25 pm

BRING THAT %$^& TO ME!!!

Alphare

December 2nd, 2011
3:30 pm

DawgDad,

“The responsible thing for the league to do would be to restrict BCS participation to the SEC Champion and one other team”.

I think your idea is even crazier than the BCS. What if the dawg wins this weekend by accident (accidents happen all the time)? you would put dawg in NC?

Remember, for the season, you lost all your games to the ranked teams, you got by Kentucky and Vandy, and you beat LSU by accident, then you are in NC?

ARdawg

December 2nd, 2011
3:32 pm

Alphare

Your position yesterday was the same as regular season games don’t count

Lowcountry Bulldawg

December 2nd, 2011
3:35 pm

I think a big key is Jenkins/Geathers play in the middle. If they can clog up the middle to let the LB’s get after the running game and QB then we may have a shot. Gotta get Jefferson in passing downs that way LSU is not allowed to take advantage of our aggressive DB’s. You get in short yardage 3rd downs and the running attack for LSU will crush us and it opens up play action and roll outs for Jefferson. It all starts in the middle.

ARdawg

December 2nd, 2011
3:39 pm

Lowcountry

There is no “may” to it IMHO. The Dawgs have a shot and a demn good one. I don’t know where all the negativity is coming from. Seems as much Georgia fans as Tech haterz. Georgia comes out guns ablaze in the first half, stay even possibly a lead at the half, we win this game

Lowcountry Bulldawg

December 2nd, 2011
3:41 pm

ARDawg,

Just keep it close and I agree. Imagine with all the struggles Walsh has had this year and he finds his shot a redemption on a last second FG for the victory. It would be a fitting victory one which would make Larry proud.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

December 2nd, 2011
3:43 pm

Lowcountry Bulldawg

To be honest, I think you are right. Jefferson has happy feet.
Georgia has the sac leader in the SEC too, and a better QB.
Still, if UGA loads the middle, Ruban Randell is a handfull when one on one, and that makes the Tiger passing game dangerous.

JBT

JDawg1785

December 2nd, 2011
3:43 pm

Alphare, LSU lost two regular-season games in 2007. Kentucky was ranked #18 at the time they played and Arkansas was unranked. Remember who won the national championship that year?

Alphare

December 2nd, 2011
3:45 pm

ARDawg,

my position is a good system although flawed. Like Churchill once said, democracy is the best of the worst systems. Without saying he meatt communism is the worst of the worst and there are only worst systems in the world.

I admit BCS can be made better, like plus1, or playoff among 4 BCS winners. That way the bowl games will be intact although diluted. But the champ has to play 2 extra games to be crowned.

You can argument all

Alphare

December 2nd, 2011
3:47 pm

should be “my position is BCS is a good system although flawed.”

ARdawg

December 2nd, 2011
3:48 pm

Lowcountry

Certainly his performance this year would cause doubt in Walsh. Don’t hold that against him. He had something in his head and probably just realized it isn’t connected to his leg. Trust me, Walsh will come through in the clutch.

The UGA defense amps up in the 2nd half. Bobo has to find a way to soften up that LSU front. Pounding it with the big FBs is an idea. More totes by the FB than the RBs. I’m seeing this game as very winnable. As long as the mistakes and penalties are at the very bare minimum, we win this one. You and DawginLex both seem to have a hard time believing. Supp wid dat? :D

ARdawg

December 2nd, 2011
3:52 pm

Alphare

I’m not busting your bawls here guy. What you and I have here is a fundamentally difference of opinion I think, on the reliance of the BCS. You’re gung ho, I’m not. To me the flaws are too glaring and obvious to ignore. Inconsistent and mislead by the tide of the “power brokers”

Todd Grantham

December 2nd, 2011
3:52 pm

ChicagoDAWG

December 2nd, 2011
2:23 pm
@ G-Dawg, No Basis ??????? and we have those seasons without one (NC) …… That is the basis !!!!!!
But if you are just content with 10 win seasons so be it, not everyone expects to be champions….It’s unreal to expect that every year, but how about once every 10 years….. SMH

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Once every 10 years? Bet when this team was going 8-4 or worse under the end of Dooley’s tenure, all of Ray Goff’s and all of Jim Donnan’s you couldn’t even fathom a championship once every 10 years. It wasn’t even within a sniff. CMR has made the team competetive in the toughest conference in college football and that in itself always gives you a shot. Once every 10 years though is kinda lofty considering where they came from. Saban went to Bama which, well, it’s Bama so any good coach who can recruit will win there. Miles took over LSU after Saban left which was left in really good shape. Meyer took over for Ron Zook who couldn’t coach but he could recruit like a mad man (he brought in Tim Tebow), and Chizik got sCam Newton. Little different situation at UGA coming in after Donnan and Goff and rebuilding a program from the ground up. One without a storied history at that.

Now, if CMR does leave, whoever comes in after him will come in with a great recruiting situation already and a load of talent.

Lowcountry Bulldawg

December 2nd, 2011
3:52 pm

Hey I dont have a hard time believing. Come’on man! I am accused of being Kool-Aid drinker #1! I have a tempered enthusiasm for the game. I think that the Dawgs have alot of motivation,as LSU does, but this is the 2nd time this year the Dawgs have been in the Dome. This time they will certainly want to put forth a better showing. The young players are more seasoned, the defense has grown.Some point to competion, I point to the fact that they still have to play the game. They have shown they deserve to be playing the Tigers. Will they win? I hope they do, but lets just say I am not going to Vegas with that hope. I want it competitive.

G-Dawg

December 2nd, 2011
3:53 pm

JDawg..We’re not going to be able to run outside the ends with their LB speed and their DEs hold the edge well….gonna have to run north south with some beef. Or get skill players into space then give them the ball to do damage.

Put lil Tree in front of Figgins..and let them pound away!!

ARdawg

December 2nd, 2011
3:54 pm

Alphare,

I really can’t understand why the LSU/Bama game of just a few weeks ago continues ignored as if it were never played. That wasn’t the intention of the “system”

G-Dawg

December 2nd, 2011
3:54 pm

Dont need Crowell to carry the load…just provide us with some big long key runs at opportune times.