Fan talk: Do Dawgs need to quit playing it safe in fourth quarter?

Mark Richt has said Georgia needs to be able to "put it away." (Associated Press)

Mark Richt has said Georgia needs to be able to "put it away." (Associated Press)

As the Dawgs prepare to travel to Nashville for the Vandy game, it’s time to answer some Junkyard Mail. …

Bob Leonard writes: Bill, we’re midway through the season (wow, seems like it’s just flown by) and I’m starting to be optimistic, which worries me since I normally like to under-expect when it comes to the Georgia football program. (Less heartbreak that way.) I think the defense has improved greatly and the offense looks really good in spurts, usually when Isaiah Crowell is in there. But Georgia still doesn’t look like a team that’s quite ready for prime time. What do you think’s missing?

The biggest thing that’s missing, I think, is the ability to put away even a lesser opponent in the fourth quarter. Of course, the situation has improved from last year, when Mark Richt’s Dogs were flat-out getting beat in the fourth because they were plainly out of gas. But the Dogs are still getting outscored in the fourth. Part of it is Mike Bobo’s desire to keep the ball on the ground, avoid an interception and eat up clock. And he’s certainly done that, with a fourth quarter drive against UT last week that ate up more than 8 minutes despite the Dogs ending up fourth-and-56 and with no points. Likewise, against Ole Miss there was quite a lengthy drive that produced no points. But there were also a couple of three-and-outs in the fourth quarter against the Vols and Richt himself noted after the game that puts more pressure on the defense and, “If we’re in that situation again, we’d better be able to put it away.” Bobo at times seems to be playing not to lose rather than playing to win. Down the stretch, that’s not going to cut it.

OkieDawg writes: When Georgia decides to run outside the tackles, they almost always run to the short side of the field which is normally to the left. The RB gets bottled up along the out of bounds and can’t really make any cuts. There are so many big bodies on the outside that there are just no running lanes and our backs run into their own blockers as often as the opponent’s defender. Crowell has the speed, if given the room, to run on the perimeter and turn up field with a couple of moves and make a long run. I know our strong side of the line is to the left, but there is a way to make that the wide side of the field. I really haven’t heard anyone else complaining about us running to the short side. Is this a legitimate observation/concern? And, if so, why do we do it so often?

I think two things are at play here. First, as you noted, Georgia’s offensive line is stronger on the left side, and that’s what running backs tend to follow. Also, though, in the Tennessee game, where Georgia’s penchant for running to the left was particularly noticeable in the second half, I think Crowell’s injured right wrist was a factor.

Allen Kennedy writes: Bill, what do you think about the attitude of the team? By that I mean, do we have the mentality to compete with Bama or LSU should we make it to the SECC. Does this team have the attitude, “Bring it on Bama,” or are they going to be like, “We made it here, we’ll be content with this.” I believe if [Todd] Grantham is more involved, we will dare them to get on the field with us. What do think, by end of year will the Dawgs be mentally ready for an Alabama?

I think you’re jumping the gun just a bit, what with four regular season conference games still to play, one of them in Jacksonville. But I do think this year’s team has a much better state of mind than last year’s. The fact that they didn’t let an 0-2 start derail their season is testament to that. If Georgia does manage to make it to Atlanta, taking on either Bama or LSU will be a daunting prospect, but assuming the team is healthy, I think they’d have good reason to feel up to the challenge.

BJOHNDAWG writes: Bill, Most people want to work at something they enjoy, but once they get home just want to relax and avoid talk of their job. While I know you are a UGA fan like the rest of us, is covering the Bulldogs as a job too much of a good thing and take the fun out of being a fan of UGA? For example, like debating UGA football with your friends and family?

Interesting question. Of course, I don’t actually “cover” the team in the sense that a beat reporter does. I get to write about the Dogs from the point of view of a fan, which is what I’ve been all my life. I also split my time between blogging and working as a story editor at the AJC, so I’m not focusing on UGA all day long. So, no, doing this blog hasn’t taken the fun out of being a fan and I still talk Dawgs with family and friends every chance I get!

Jim from the Class of ’84 (still the best record of all UGA classes!) writes: Whatever happened to Leonard’s Losers? The old original is probably not around, but what happened to him? Wasn’t he a UGA man? I would read those picks every Saturday for the humor and his choosing of losers instead of winners. Has anybody else ever taken over the name and use?

Many football fans have fond memories of “Leonard’s Losers,” particularly in the South. Athens native Leonard Postero, better known as Leonard “Postosties,” was the voice behind the colorful hillbilly-styled college football prediction show, which at its peak was syndicated on something like 1,400 radio stations, including Armed Forces Radio. He also had a Leonard’s Losers column in one of the Athens papers and for a while published a weekly newsletter. Postero also provided the voice of his sidekick, Percy Peabody. He main claim to fame, of course, was picking the losers rather than the winners, but his offbeat nicknames for teams also were memorable. He usually referred to Georgia as the Red Clay Hounds. Postero died in 2001, and for a while the show continued online with Leonard’s “nephew,” but it ceased production in 2005 and the website is no longer active.

Pendar Khosravi writes: Bill, I just wanted to preface this message by saying that you truly are a damn good dog and that I enjoy the passion and emotion that you put into your writing in regards to your beloved Bulldogs. With this said, I have a quick question for you and wanted your opinion on a play call at the end of the UGA vs. UT game last weekend. With UGA leading 20-12, and having just recovered an onside kick at the UT 35, UGA opted to run the ball 3 times to run out some clock at the end of the game. We had gains of 1 yard, 0 yards and 4 yards on the first three downs, putting us at the UT 30 with the clock running down. As we know, coach Richt decided to punt the ball on 4th down and Drew Butler kicked his 4th down punt well into the end zone (I’m guessing to alleviate the concern for a punt return TD) putting UT at the 20 with :18 seconds remaining in the game. My question to you is why do you not attempt the 47 yard field goal in this situation? … If you try the field goal and make it, you’ve automatically won the game and don’t have to worry about hail mary’s or trick play touchdowns going for 80 yards in the last 18 seconds of the game and crazier things have happened (just look at Notre Dame). … Do you not agree that a field goal attempt to win the game would be more beneficial than pushing Tennessee back 10 more yards? Now I understand that there is always the risk of having the field goal attempt blocked and returned, but in my opinion going for the points and the win would have been the smarter move. What is your opinion on this play call?

Thanks! You’re correct that a field goal would have definitely iced the game at that point, but I think considering how little time was left on the clock, punting it into the end zone was the safest call. Had there been a couple of minutes left, a field goal attempt would have been the smarter move.

Casman writes: Bill, It seems like we are “thin” (not much depth) at a lot of positions, i.e. LB, DL, RB, and OL. Seems to be okay at QB, TE, and DB. If UGA has been recruiting correctly over the years, why are we so thin at so many positions? Or is that the problem, and how many kids do we anticipate signing this winter with all of the attrition over the last year?

A combination of injuries and players departing the program unexpectedly resulted in Georgia being ultra thin at several positions this season. And, yes, perhaps not enough recruiting in those areas the past couple of years. The OL is still thin, though with Chris Burnette and Kenarious Gates both semi-healthy now Will Friend can at least do some rotating. And the backups at linebacker have come on so strong that once Alec Ogletree returns the Dawgs will have a surplus of talent there. I don’t know exactly what the breakdown is of players Georgia is recruiting, but you’ve got to bet that offensive linemen and running backs will be in the mix.

Luke Ellington writes: As a longtime Dawg fan, I am ready for our next Uga. I really appreciate what Russ has done for our team and fans, but it is time for the next Uga to be introduced to us. I would like to see the next Uga as a pup and be able to watch him grow into our mascot. I understand there are a lot of things to consider when picking a mascot, but as a fan I think everyone would love to watch Uga grow up. Can you explain the process of picking the next Uga and is there a chance of Uga being a puppy and using Russ until Uga is ready for job? Great job. Go Dawgs! P.S. I can see Uga pup being introduced at halftime of the Auburn game.

Sonny Seiler and his family provide the mascot and they choose the new Uga, who will somehow be part of the same bloodline. No word yet on when Seiler will unveil Uga IX, but the Auburn game seems like a likely choice. Last I heard, they were considering a pup who’s all white except for black around one eye. That would be a first for the Uga line, which has always been all-white, but Seiler seems less married to the all-white idea than in the past, and I actually think a Georgia Bulldog with a “black eye” would look pretty cool. What do you think?

Randy Brock writes: Why did they move the band out of the student section and to the end zone?

Athletic director Greg McGarity thought the band would be audible to more people in the stadium from the end zone, and he’s probably right. They just need to move the visiting band elsewhere (I’ve heard reports they’ll wind up in the old Redcoats spot next year) and move more of the student section around the band.

Bryan Grantham writes: Bill, I want to expand on the student ticket situation. The reason that UGA dried up the secondary ticket market was simple: Student tickets are at a reduced price and subsidized by student athletic fees. I was a senior in 2002 and on Student Government. That year, all upperclassman got tickets but there were only something like 1,000 tickets for the entire 4,000 person freshman class. Thus, not all students who wanted student tickets got them. This was because, in part, students were buying tickets just to scalp them. So, it was not UGA being miserly — it was actually a policy that students demanded. So, we worked with the UGAA to have the policy changed to make it harder for students to scalp tickets. The reason was because not every student who wanted tickets could get them. This worked great in 2002-2008 when the team was good and the demand exceeded supply for students. However, now, it leads to a half empty upper level student section.

Thanks for the background on the decision. I’m sure the Dawgs winning big on the field would take care of a multitude of problems, including student attendance at games.

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Shrimp N Grits

October 14th, 2011
12:40 pm

Altamaha is 100% correct.

Some fans want to score on every play and have no idea about strategy. Our Defense was dominant that night. You’re up by 14 with 7 minutes left. Run the ball, period. That’s just good strategy.

gbal

October 14th, 2011
12:45 pm

Not sure I go for that laying back in the 4th and turning over to the D. Rather keep the foot on the gas, but hey, whatever works. Keep up the W’s

Shrimp N Grits

October 14th, 2011
12:48 pm

Pendar

Why would you try a difficult 47 yard field goal with 18 seconds when you can punt it into the endzone and make UT go 80 yards with no timeouts to get a touchdown and a 2 point conversion?

Some fans have no clue about strategy. Probably the same fans that want to knee-jerk fire anyone and everyone.

You run the ball to eat clock. You play good D.

Ticketmaster

October 14th, 2011
12:48 pm

Playing it safe?

That’s what you call being unable to score points now?

LawDawg

October 14th, 2011
12:48 pm

Bill, I just want to say that as long as you keep writing this blog, I will keep reading. You are a true fan and you actually know your football.

GO DAWGS!

DIT

October 14th, 2011
12:51 pm

@SnG

“Why would you try a difficult 47 yard field goal with 18 seconds when you can punt it into the endzone and make UT go 80 yards with no timeouts to get a touchdown and a 2 point conversion?”

As you stated some have no clue. That was the best decision CMR could have made. Never take that risk.

Some on here have obviously never played the game before.

AltamahaDawg

October 14th, 2011
12:51 pm

sometimes you find yourself driving through a school zone at 3:30 pm.

DIT

October 14th, 2011
12:53 pm

On an outside notes, That Nov 5th game between LSU and Bama will be the game of the year. That will be better than the NC game. The atmosphere will be unreal!

Joey

October 14th, 2011
12:53 pm

My assumptions come from watching nearly every play of Richt’s 11 seasons @ UGA.

He’s never “piled on” when ahead in games. In games where we won big, a lot of the points came from the D or STs scoring.

We’re never gonna agree on this, AD . . .

Desert Fox

October 14th, 2011
12:56 pm

Bobo isn’t fooling anyone w/playcalling runs to the strong side time after time. I thought he was setting TN up for some kind of gimmick play reversing field to the weak side. It would have been a good idea but GA’s offense is pure vanilla and hasn’t done anything like that so far this season w/the exception of Boykin’s end around vs BSU which went for a TD. Sure would be a pleasant surprise to see some imagination on offense at the right times as the mad hatter does at LSU. Instead of being on the short end of the stick as seems GA ends up on when it comes to gimmick plays would be refreshing if Bobo pulls one out of the bag once in a while to keep the opposing D off balance. Right now most everyone that GA plays knows the dawgs will either run up the middle or to the left. Thats fine as long as its working but ask IC if he thinks its worth the pounding he takes if it leaves them short of a 1st down. I’m sure it goes through his mind as well as the rest of us to add a play or two that reverses the field when you least expect it.

Joey

October 14th, 2011
12:56 pm

“This myth that anybody “sat” on the ball against TN comes down to basically ONE play.”
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Wouldn’t you call the meaning of “going ultra-conservative in the 4th quarter,” basically the same as “sat on the ball?”

Richt said that, not me.

gbal

October 14th, 2011
12:58 pm

To be honest, I rreally didnt think we went all that conservative in the second half VS UT. There at the end with the three plays after the onside kick, I think running the ball was the thing to do. Kill Clock at that point in the game and not risk a TO. We had driven the ball for 8 minutes on a previous possession. I thin at that point lat with 8 pt lead, and the D playing lights out for the night…. Try to kill clock and turn it over to the D.

The Miss St game the previous week however, going conservitive in the 3rd Q and no points in the half…. not for that. Should have turned it over to Mason in Q3 of that one and told the O to put the petal down. Missed chance to give Mason some conficence and hope!.

Joey

October 14th, 2011
1:00 pm

Hey Desert Fox, Boykin ran his 80 yarder vs Boise to the weak side. Unfortunately we haven’t tried it a second time . . .

dap01

October 14th, 2011
1:02 pm

CMR: Please help Bobo during the game.

AltamahaDawg

October 14th, 2011
1:05 pm

NO he didn’t. OR I’ll say I never read him saying that. I never really read that entire quote in context to be honest. My perception of what he did say was he was dispointed at what happened in that specific situation and not being able to pick up the 1st down. I do not believe that he wanted the ball Thrown on that 3rd and 11 from his own 19 in that spot. He’s got a headset, he could have interviened if so. It’s not “ultra conservative” if it’s the only logical play that (anybody) would have run right there.

And I was talking about the myth that Georgia sat on it for the quarter. AS I pointed out it was ONE play.

DIT

October 14th, 2011
1:07 pm

Maybe Bobo will come down with the flu for the rest of the season so CMR has to go back to calling the plays. I like Bobo, but as a QB coach only!

AltamahaDawg

October 14th, 2011
1:09 pm

So based on your observation for the past 11 years, you are predicting that Richt will try to build a lead against UF, Aub, and GT and then sit on it?

AltamahaDawg

October 14th, 2011
1:10 pm

Why do you like Bobo as a QB coach, DIT?

JAWJeRDAWG

October 14th, 2011
1:11 pm

AltamahaDawg 1:05 pm

Not that you need any confirmation, but I agree with that.

Frank Lane

October 14th, 2011
1:11 pm

Bill I disagree with you on the punt. Should have tried a field goal. A miss would have still left Tenn in their own territory with only 18 seconds left.

Joey

October 14th, 2011
1:12 pm

Okay, here is what I read – he didn’t say it exactly like that, Bill did. But Richt essentially said the same thing, right?

“But Bobo going all ultra-conservative again in the fourth quarter frustrated even his boss, who said he wished they’d handled it differently after Georgia got the ball back with just over 8 minutes and only burned a couple of minutes, going three-and-out playing it safe on the ground. That “pretty much put more pressure on the defense there,” Richt said. “If we’re in that situation again, we’d better be able to put it away.”

Godawgs

October 14th, 2011
1:19 pm

Fire Bobo!! He was not a good player at UGA and he is a even worse coach. Fire him!!

AltamahaDawg

October 14th, 2011
1:22 pm

again that’s somebody interpretation. THEY used the term ultra conservative. But whatever, it’s one play. You know darn well that’s not the perception that is getting promoted here. That they sat on the ball all quarter.

I have absolutely no doubt he did not like the 2nd and 6 getting stuffed behind the line. I know I didn’t. especially sionce it shouldn’t have based on the game up to that point. So you read him to be saying had we only called some “other” play , we definetely would have picked up a first down. I read him to say we needed to convert that.

Dirty Dawg

October 14th, 2011
1:25 pm

Bill I gotta say, even when you’re ‘featuring’ fan questions you manage to be pessimistic…what’s the deal, is Munson your Daddy or somethin’?

We run to the ’short side’ – which is typically away from the defense’s strong-side – because with pulling guards and tight-ends in motion you hope you’re gonna out-number the defenders. Running the other way means heading into the strength of the defense and more tacklers – get it?

Not going for the field goal at the end last week was, pure and simple, to avoid the one way we could get beat – a blocked FG. I’m sure we didn’t actually intend to kick it into the end-zone but I’m also sure Butler was told ‘better to have a touch-back than a blocked punt’…plus their QB was out and our defense was likely to get ‘er done with 18 seconds left and at least 80 yards to go.

As for being conservative in the second half – didn’t exactly notice that in the third quarter, did we? – mistakes killed us, particularly in the SC game and to an extent in the BS game, so what’s so wrong with letting our, potentially, shut-down defense protect a two-score lead? Now, of course, that leads us to the biggest question on the list, the lack of running-backs? Dammit, Crowell ain’t gonna stand up to running the ball 20-25 times a game, he’s just not built for it, let alone having the guts for it. We’re just another ‘ding’ away from having to rely, totally, on our 160-pounder and/or our ‘one yard and spray of grass’ young men – as much as I like and respect both of ‘em, they need help…we need help. Why not Malcome? And again, as I’ve been preaching for months, why in hell don’t we try the kid from Camilla, Scott-Wesley? From all reports he’s got the size and speed ideal for the position. What’s the problem, is he not ‘tough enough’ either? I’d just like to hear, one way or the other, who else on this team is capable of carrying the ball – besides our fast DBs on reverses and such?

JB

October 14th, 2011
1:27 pm

I’m encouraged by the play of the defense, but the stats have been built up by playing and beating 4 very average non ranked teams. I’m concerned, as all are, we have played two ranked teams and lost them both. I feel like if we played Carolina at this point in the year, we would beat them, but football doesn’t work like that. The year will play out for us against Fla, Au and Tech. Win those three, and the Bulldog nation will feel pretty good. Lose all or even 2 and the masses will feel like the progress is to light felt.

DawginLex

October 14th, 2011
1:29 pm

Bobo is not a good but he is a great QB coach and recruiter and should remain on staff in that capacity IMO.

He is an average OC and lacks the feel for the game that Richt does.

It is Richt’s team

If Richt comes back next year, Richt needs to go back to calling plays.

DIT

October 14th, 2011
1:31 pm

@ AltamahaDawg

He’s a good recruiter, not so much as a coach

DawginLex

October 14th, 2011
1:31 pm

GoDawgs

and Bobo was a dam good player when healthy and remains a DGD

You don’t lead a team to 10-2, beat Spurrier and set a bowl record for completions and completion % that still stands today if you are lousy as you say he was.

JB

October 14th, 2011
1:31 pm

Speaking of a Richtism, When have we ever…and I mean ever tried to run the offense to get a first down when we have a small lead and we get ball back with say 2 to 4 minutes left to ice the game. It’s ALWAYS three running plays into the line and punt. always.

DawginLex

October 14th, 2011
1:33 pm

JB

Mot always, just recently because our OL has been lousy and he couldn’t count on them to get the 3rd and 2 or the 4th and 1.

Remember Clemson in 2002?

4th and 1, late in the game, went for it and got it. Took a knee.

Been awhile hasn’t it?

JB

October 14th, 2011
1:35 pm

At the end of the year if we are 8-4, Richt will declare the year a success. Sad but true. He’ll say we had a young team( true) and were thin at many positions( true) and had to play way too many freshman. I can already hear him.

AltamahaDawg

October 14th, 2011
1:37 pm

How is Bobo a great QB coach? Many of the things people blame on Bobo’s “play calling” are a direct result of the decisions his guy make at the line.

JB

October 14th, 2011
1:39 pm

Lex, I like to see coach’s “surprise” in that situation and Richt use to do it, like play action and roll out and hit the TE for 7-8 yards on First down…Then run for 2-4 yards and a first down. We punt with 4th and 6 after 3 trys up the middle.

Joey

October 14th, 2011
1:41 pm

AD, I took it as Richt didn’t like the 3-and-outs, but whatever.

You asked for a prediction on the UF, UA, and GT games. Here goes:

If UGA gets two scores up in any of those three games, our OFFENSE will not score a TD, unless the other team scores.

What I am saying is with a lead, we will play it conservative. If the game gets close, we take more shots at TDs.

LagDawg

October 14th, 2011
1:43 pm

If Bobo was a better QB Coach and OC, he would have faith in his QB and if the current QB can’t get it done, move on to the next guy. Mason and LeMay’s arms are stronger and the ball moves with more velocity. Murray’s arm is weak and he tries to force the ball too much. If the WRs are not open, throw the ball away.

UGA Insider

October 14th, 2011
1:45 pm

JB @1:35

Well said, CMR I think will keep the job even if we lose to UF and or GT/AU. Adams is happy with the money that keeps rolling in and CMR is a nice guy. I think McGarity has his guy picked out (Chris Peterson) and hopefully he will stay at Boise until CMR retires. Probably after 2012. I am 100% sure there will be no change anytime soon which is fine I guess.

AltamahaDawg

October 14th, 2011
1:45 pm

JB, freind. That is really reaching out there to declare how much you hate to hear some made up comments about a hypothetical outcome in the future.

How about joining us here in the present time and just enjoy the moment.

Saban

October 14th, 2011
1:52 pm

Vanderbilt 66 Dawgs 3

JB

October 14th, 2011
1:54 pm

It’s, “friend”……and I’m not reaching, I’ve just been listening to the guy for 10 years, and you get a feel for his “coach speak”.

Burma Shave

October 14th, 2011
1:58 pm

Vandy can do it
The dawgtards lose
Keep paying me millions
Mark Richt coos

BURMA SHAVE

AltamahaDawg

October 14th, 2011
2:00 pm

And I’ll predict if anyone of those teams gets a big lead on us, THEY will go into a more conservative mode of thier ball handling until they feel the need to change.

DawginLex

October 14th, 2011
2:01 pm

That idiot Saban
Is a Loser Tech Tard
Blogs over there
Shows Tech card

DawginLex figured it out

AltamahaDawg

October 14th, 2011
2:08 pm

No problem. You just don’t want hear those things you call (true) and (true)?

Joey

October 14th, 2011
2:09 pm

Maybe, since Myer is gone. PJ will score as many as he can.

Did you watch the OK-TX and LSU-UF games last week? Stoops and Miles never considered easing up.

AltamahaDawg

October 14th, 2011
2:13 pm

So you consider the ability and state of the Georgia team to be on playing par with LSU and Oklahoma right now?

JB

October 14th, 2011
2:14 pm

Altamah, true, I don’t want to hear them in year 10. Derek Dooley can say that. Richt should not be saying them, in year 10 that is…..And we haven’t been under performing the last few games, we’re going on years, not games….and the guy is the 8th highest paid coach in Division 1.

old time dog

October 14th, 2011
2:14 pm

Sill @ the Bar boy> You spew verbage in volumes but it is doubtful you have much football knowledge whatsoever. UGA may develop into something your mighty, mighty GT team can’t handle. At any rate, you are consistent. An idiot every time.

Well....

October 14th, 2011
2:16 pm

O CORD!

October 14th, 2011
2:22 pm

Please tell CMR to get us an O CORD! Charles has ONLY 2 catches per game since the BO.ST. game..He and Whtie should be tearing LB’S apart.

DAWGMAN

October 14th, 2011
2:24 pm

Expect mediocrity and you will get it. Players look to the coaches to take their cue on what to expect.Coaches look to their ADs. Our AD says its how you finish the season. I believe it’s how you start the game. That means first game, homecoming, or the Tech game depends on how well you’ve been prepared to win the game. Our coach has said this season that he had no confidence in his coaches game plan for a game. He expected not to win. He showed up that way.
Old Dog expects 8-4. I believe coach does too. I believe he hopes for it.
What could be more disruptive than the players taking their cue from a set of coaches that receive their cues from a boss whose expectations are foreign to successful Georgia football. That’s right. Success means winning the conference. Nothing less. Georgia football is already afflicted with low expectations. It has been for a while. Its author has had to come up with the notion of the Dream Team to quiet the unruly, to maintain the revenue stream, to sell the brand, and to continue to appear to be above it all to fascinate the national sports media who produce the Kool-Aid flavors of the week.
This is destructive of winning Georgia football. This preaches the love of money. No preaching is better than that. Give these young men something to believe in. Give these young men a demonstrated expectation of winning. Give these young men a good game plan. Give these young men the Belief that they can win.
Anything less is far, far less than they deserve.
And $3+ million is far, far more than coach deserves.
The disruption is continuing on with this mess.
Amen and amen.