Revised 13-team SEC schedule shouldn’t endanger Georgia-Auburn rivalry

Go get Notre Dame I say.

That would be a trip

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When the SEC goes to 14 and if Auburn moves to the East, its true the Auburn/UGA rivalry will be protected, but what about Tennessee/Alabama? Alabama’s permanent opponent will be Auburn. Or will the SEC go back to 2 permanent opponents and a slower rotation of the non-permanent opponents?

It will also be interesting to see who UGA’s new permanent opponent(s) will be.

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The new structure will favor the East for a year or however long it takes to add the 14th

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Having divisions with 13 teams doesn’t work. If the SEC west only plays 2 out of division games with the east then the East will only have 7 games to play.

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I don’t think this SEC will get anyone from what’s left of the Big 12, which rules out Missouri, and now that the ACC has expanded to 14 teams and added a steep Penalty for Early Withdrawal of $20 MM, I don’t think any ACC team will jump…so who is going to be the SEC’s 14th team? Somebody from the ragged remnnants of the Big East?

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@Gordon

Auburn would simply exchange Georgia for Alabama as their permanent cross-division rival and Alabama would continue their permanent rivalry status with Tennessee. The only problem for Auburn and Alabama is that their game has historically been the final game on their regular season schedule. Since Alabama and Auburn would now have the opportunity to meet in the playoff game, that creates problems for keeping the Iron Bowl as the final game.

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Mizzou is the odds on favorite

Clemson and FSU will get blocked by in-state SEC members

I wish Notre Dame would get asked first.

Then Oklahoma

Then Texas

16 team super conference

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If they add Missouri as the 14th member, I think they would move Alabama and Auburn to the Eastern Division. That would preserve the Auburn/UGA, Alabama/UT and Iron Bowl rivalries.

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I know this will go NO WHERE, but it can’t hurt to ask….if anyone out there knows how to, or who to convince, or who needs to talk to who……but Florida State needs to, has to, MUST leave the ACC. As an FSU fan and alum, I am begging my SEC football brothers, fans, alumni groups, and SEC College Administrators…..please, please, please, please, please take us. Even Christ forgives sinners, can’t the SEC forgive us for making a HUGE mistake back in 1991? After my President voted to increase the buy out and THEN voted to add Pittsburgh School of the Deaf and Syracuse School of the Blind for our “SuperConference” (although I do not think of SUPER anything when I think of Pitt and Syracuse, except maybe SUPER cold in winter….and talk on the street is to bolster our SUPER Conference we will bring in the mega programs of UConn and Rutgers) SEC people, help a brother out. On behalf of FSU fans and alumni, our administration IS NOT LISTENING TO US….Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa…..Yeah I’m a Catholic too with LOTS of guilt!

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@reebok

The $20 million exit fee is obviously an attempt to keep Clemson, VA Tech or FSU from bolting to the SEC, but it is not likely a steep enough penalty to have the desired effect. Adding more schools doesn’t magically convert the ACC into a football super-conference. The 14th SEC team will probably be one of those three.

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@USCndaATL

That doesn’t work mathematically. Do you know how to count?

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“Mizzou will likely get it because you can’t leave A&M as the only school that far west.”

If adding Texas A&M was a home run, adding Missouri would be a solid triple. Missouri would another solid overall athletic program, a middle third SEC football team, and the St. Louis and Kansas City media markets.

Question is, are the University of Missouri administrators and fans ready to make the jump?

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Hey GT79 you may not have been following the game long enought to know that GTech was once in the SEC and withdrew in order to escape the superior competition.Something about”Auburn played too rough”.

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As long as our academic program continues to be internationally recognized as the finest in the land, I’m happy either way. When a person has a degree from uga, it really says something about themselves!

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Pigiron, it would work if you moved Vandy to the west, where they belong.

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It’s ALL about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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coachx, move vandy to the west, that makes it 7 and 7. Math is easy!!

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“Is it possible SEC may query some member to voluntarily give up its membership? and compensate the member with $20million?

“Vandy or Kentucky may take the bait. The only problem is where can they go if they relinquish their membership.”

Your suggestion demonstrates absolutely no knowledge of or respect for the shared history of the SEC whatsoever. You might as well suggest that we force Florida or Georgia to join the ACC. This is exactly the kind of one-school-as-overlord crap that Texas A&M joined the SEC to get away from.

Why is it that the SEC is as strong as it is? Because every program has an equal vote and gets an equal share. The SEC has no buy-out clause or exit fee because we don’t need one.

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Don’t think the increased exit fee in the ACC is that big of a deal. It only increased $4 million (from $16 to $20 million). From what I read, the powers that be wanted to raise it to $34 million, but is was FSU that balked and they all settled on the new $20 million.
The big question is, if FSU is so happy in the ACC, then why balk at the increased exit fee?

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Bill, if Auburn moves over to the east, who would be Georgia’s permanent lock in the west?

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Go get Baylor, they’re the best of the rest. The rest doesn’t include Texas, OU, or OK St. Academically, Baylor offers more than the rest, as well. I’m sure they would love to piggy back on TX A&M into the SEC.

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I’m not sure Missouri even wants to come now that the Big 12 is holding together. The ACC’s move really changed Slive’s “16 teams in 15 minutes” scenario. I think the ACC members are holding out to see who the 15th and 16th teams there are. If they can land Notre Dame, Penn State will follow. If that happens I’m not sure FSU, GT, Clemson, or anyone would leave even if there were no exit fee.

The SEC should land a solid 14th team and stand pat. What about UCF?

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@Gordon

You’re right. The most recent rule change wouldn’t allow Alabama and Auburn to continue their rivalry if Auburn moved to the East Division. I really don’t see the SEC adding Mizzou anyway. I suspect that they would prefer to add an additional Eastern school.

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I would think that the best scenario is for everyone to treat Texas A&M as a rotational game. Stick them in the West, but that doesnt mean they will play all the West teams. Both the East and West teams will add the Aggies as one of their rotational opponents. It means the rotation will be stretched out and say UGA will not play LSU quite as often, but it preserves the current cross division rivalries. A&M’s conference record will count against the SEC West.

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Richard.
Pitt and Syracuse were brought in mainly for basketball. I dont understand why FSU would want to move to the SEC. They are a cosntant contender in there division for the ACC championship every year and in a BCS AQ conference. I dont understand why they would want to give that up to move to the SEC where the competition even harder to get through. It is easier to get to a BCS game in the ACC than in the SEC. Being in the SEC wont have the same effect on recruiting that it will with Texas A&M because Florida already has that argument. Texas A&M moving to the SEC was a must for the schools recruiting because of the Longhorn network. They needed something to offer that Texas didn’t have (playing in the SEC). FSU doesnt have much to gain and has alot to lose

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“Clemson and FSU will get blocked by in-state SEC members”

This is a myth, at least in regards to FSU. Florida was gun-ho to have FSU in the conference in 1990-1991. Having FSU in the SEC would require FSU to play opponents of equal caliber to those of Florida, and would simplify Florida’s football scheduling.

While adding FSU would not expand the SEC’s media footprint, it would add a major football program and a large national fanbase. It would also enhance the conference’s television revenue because it would another four or five national televised football games to the SEC’s line-up every fall.

Clemson, frankly, would add very little except the restoration of the 1980s rivalry with UGA.

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Mizzou is the probably leading contender. Their board of curators is holding off approving this Big 12 tv rights scheme to handcuff the remaining members. I think we might hear something sooner than Slive’s indicated.

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USF? A good team on the rise. Expand the league even further into FL. Everyone would enjoy going to Tampa for a road game too. (Not in MIZZU)

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Atlanta Gator,
I used to disagree about FSU, but I have come around to see it just as you posted above. It really would be in UF’s favor, since we already have to play them every year.

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A $20 mil buy out is nothing if a new deal is negotiated with the addition of new television markets. The SEC was already big in the Texas market and TAMU didn’t bring much more than what the SEC already had. Based on numbers I have seen, I believe North Carolina is a bigger market than Kansas City, MO. Forget Missouri, and get a NC school. I do not believe UNC would move because of basketball and “academics”, but maybe NC State. I think NC State would jump at the chance to join the SEC. If not, then a VT or Miami (VT doesn’t bring the DC TV market, but it would be great to see if they can complete in the SEC). GT will never be invited, they had their chance.

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The headline reads “13th Team will not endanger rivalries”….

…Hell, the current Dawgs won’t endanger any rivalries either…the only teams we’ve beat have been a middle school team from SC and a Division I Team that was manhandled by Vandy.

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FSU missed their chance in 1991. I wouldn’t want either FSU or Miami in the SEC today. Neither had any previous football history and both have gone downhill since joining the ACC. Maybe Va Tech or Clemson.

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“Did I get banned?!?”

We can only hope!

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“I used to disagree about FSU, but I have come around to see it just as you posted above. It really would be in UF’s favor, since we already have to play them every year.”

Smart Beast.

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Hey Moron Dawg Fan, when you say ” A person has a degree from UGA” it should be followed by “it really says something about HIMSELF (singular, not plural)! So much for your “internationally recognized” degree!

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hopefully, with the expansion, Ga can get an easier SEC schedule than they have now until they get good again. Playing auburn, florida and USC is too much.

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@TallyDawg

Division of the traditional powers was certainly one of the criteria in determining the divisions back in 1991. I’m not sure that either A&M or Mizzou would be an adequate replacement for Auburn regarding team strength. It would be much simpler to add another school in the East.

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@Beast from the East

“What’s not to like?”

The football program and the fan-base (or lack thereof).

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Well, actually, 65dawg, the larger error with Moron Dawg Fan’s statement is the illogical assertion that having a degree says something about himself/herself/theirself. Apart from Moron Dawg Fan’s tortured grammar and syntax, how can the act of having a degree speak for the person?

I wouldn’t sweat it too hard, though, big dog. I believe it was intended as a parody.

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Beast, I guess I just don’t like the distance involved in a trip from a place like Gainesville or Athens to Columbia, MO. But, then again, I was opposed to Arky for the same reason back in the early 90s and that worked out OK.

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AUBURN HAS A CHAMPIONSHIP COACH AND A CHAMPIONSHIP COACHING STAFF. UGA HAS NEITHER! BUT UGA CAN STILL “DREAM!”

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Deodorant is futile in the Swamp — but at least it doesn’t smell like corndogs.

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@Beast from the East

Sure. They’re on par with the bottom half… Maybe. What good is an “expanded television footprint” in a state in which the majority of the citizens aren’t even aware that they have a college football team?

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JDawg1785,
I see your point, but it’s only about a 2-2 1/2 hour plane ride. Besides, only about 7,000 fans of their opposing teams would be able to get tickets. I think they would be a great fit. It would also be the start of a new rivalry for Arkansas. Currently, I feel like LSU is their only “rivalry” game.

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PigIron,
That would change quickly with Bama, LSU, UT, UGA, UF, Arkansas, etc coming to town. You don’t think that would generate some excitement?

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SSiGaytor,

getting a degree from Flori-duh means wearing jorts with a blue and orange tank top while sporting the newest mullet hair-do.
BTW, deodorant is needed BADLY in Gainesville to rid the cheesy stench that is Flori-Duh!

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Guys, I’m pretty sure now that the Big 12 (which has 9 members, but whatever) has rejiggered the way they distribute the TV $$, no one else will leave soon…if Texas and Oklahoma are staying, they will certainly be able to hold on to Missouri. In fact, the Big 12 has to decide who to lure in to get back to 10 members…I think they have to give back some of the TV $$ if they don’t. Nobody in the ACC is going to jump to the SEC at this point. So if the SEC wants to get to 12 teams, they may want to reconsider West Virginia.

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I’ve spent a lot of time in Missouri. The people are great, but they don’t know or care anything about college football. They belong in the Big 12 — holding down the mediocre center of that conference.

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Ah, I get it. I have been to an LSU home game, but by kickoff my sense of smell was pretty well overwhelmed by a raft of other smells and sensations . . . including fear for my physical safety.

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Beast from the East
September 27th, 2011
12:16 pm

PigIron,
I’ve been to Baton Rouge several times. What’s your point?

It’s a joke man! Please don’t take everything that I say on a football blog seriously.

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Good point on Arky, Beast. Although it would be a huge shame if they had to move Auburn to the East and cancel Bama/UT as a result. That’s always been one of my favorite rivalries in the SEC.

By the way, do WV fans really burn couches? Yikes!

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Wish just one school had vetoed A&M. But since we got em, I think the 14th team needs to be added in the East. Then you keep one permanent cross-division rival and drop one of your rotating cross-division rivals and you’re done, and all the rivalries are protected.

The most vulnerable rivalries are Alabama’s. If we add Mizzou and Auburn slides to the East, then Bama has to maintain two rivalries on the east side — UT and Auburn. Either one will get chopped, or we’ll add a conference game and have two permanent cross-division rivals.

The SEC should not go to 9 conference games. If you add a conference game to everybody’s schedules, you make the nation’s toughest schedules even more grueling and you beat up your own teams more, making it harder to make the SEC champ a shoe in for the BCS. Plus, with 7 more league games, you absorb 7 more losses within the conference, endangering how many teams the SEC sends bowling every year.

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@DawginLex: LSU and Arkansas are closer to A&M than Missouri . . . and Ole Miss and Miss State are probably not a great deal further than Missouri. So A&M wouldn’t be all alone if we didn’t offer Missouri. I wouldn’t be unhappy with Mizzou but had rather us take Va Tech, Clemson, or Florida State. Heck I might even take Southern Mississippi or East Carolina! LOL!. The trouble, I guess, with adding any of those first three is that we would be making the SEC schedule even more of a murder’s row. I don’t have an idea where we will find the 14th member but it makes more sense to add two next year instead of one then and another one later. Still I would love for it to be VA Tech! Just saying . . .

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UCF would a great addition to any conference, including the SEC!!!

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Pigeon? What do they not offer?

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South Florida is a GREAT idea!

It would further help elevate that program.

NO to Missouri.

bee (also an Alabama fan)

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JDawg1785,
I offer proof. This is one of their fan’s websites.
http://www.wemustignitethiscouch.com/

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NC State
GA Tech
FSU
Wake Forest
USF
Tulane
UCF
ODU
GA State
Appalachain State
Univ of Memphis

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“UCF would a great addition to any conference, including the SEC!!!”

“South Florida is a GREAT idea!”

I’m pretty sure that the University of Florida would quietly put the kibosh on both of those ideas before they ever came to a vote. Florida State has its own unique logic for SEC membership; Florida regional universities, not a chance.

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Hay historian. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your stupid posts. Georgia Tech left the SEC because of issues related to scholarships and over signing. Auburn, “rough play” and “fear” had nothing to do with it. Hell, we already had 5 SEC titles compared to 4 for the dawgs when we left. Now my question for you is – which comes first being terminally stupid or being a dawg fan?

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Beast- funny, yet scary, stuff. Thanks for the laugh!

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And I’ve heard a couple different theories relating to why Tech left the SEC.

One says that they thought they could get more money as an independent.

Another said that Bobby Dodd got into a (figurative) pissing match with Bear Bryant and left the conference.

I think it’s probably a mix of all these factors. Either way, Tech burned their bridge to the SEC, as far as I’m concerned!

Go Dawgs!

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VT, or FSU in the East. And most wanted NC. We have to not jump and act without thought. VT or NC would make the most sense. NC would open more markets and help their football, as they help our basketball. This makes most sense. Go Dawgs!!!

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“Sorry to hear about your troubles in Baton Rouge. We go every other year when UF plays there and have never had any problems at all. In fact, it is one of our favorite road trips. Sure beats going to Lexington.”

The “rowdiness” of the LSU crowd has a lot to do with whether it’s a day game or a night game in Death Valley. If the locals have been drinking for six to ten hours before game time, it can get a little ugly. In fairness, I saw a few home crowds like that at Florida Field in the 1980s before the administration clamped down on drinking and half-time trips to the Purple Porpoise in the ’90s.

Regarding football games in Lexington, just be happy when they don’t play the Florida-Kentucky game in November in Lexington. It can get d*mn cold there.

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SSiGaytor,

Isn’t Gainesville a big landfill? Can you say V-E-L-V-E-T-T-A ?

Loyaldoor,

Rough play had everything to do with it. Also, look at the SEC titles again. Seems the mighty Jackettes won 4 of those titles when they, unlike any other conference team, refused to send their players off to 2 wars that were going on. Bunch of losers!!!!

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That’s right Lawdawg. GT is so powerful they can decide they don’t want their players to go to war.

Geez.

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JDawg1785,
I saw that. Just say NO to WVU!

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Gordo, when you have a chance, do some research on the matter….gotta go.

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@rational

The SEC is holding at 13 because they aren’t going to poach a school from another conference. If a school wants to join the SEC, then they’ll have to first make arrangements to abandon their current conference affiliation.

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“Rough play had everything to do with it. Also, look at the SEC titles again. Seems the mighty Jackettes won 4 of those titles when they, unlike any other conference team, refused to send their players off to 2 wars that were going on. Bunch of losers!!!!”

LawDawg, no Georgia fan should ever bring up those circumstances. Wally Butts owes the 1942 national championship and Frank Sinkwich’s Heisman Trophy to the fact that virtually the entire UGA team was exempt from the draft because they were enrolled in the UGA ROTC program and playing against other SEC teams depleted by early volunteers and the draft. The Gators played their 1942 schedule with a team of freshmen and a handful of 4F upperclassmen.

Glass houses, my friend.

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@gbal

I hope that we never see a 9 conference game schedule. Traditional rivalry games offer huge financial gains from television revenue. It’s not just about nostalgia.

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Take your pick: Clemson, Florida State, Missouri, Louisville. Me? I’d go after Clemson; they’re a natural!

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Lawdawg,

My research has shown that UGA is still angry about being beat in ‘43 and ‘44 and say those games shouldn’t count. There is no way to know how they would have felt if they had won those games or why they played them if they didn’t think they should count.

It also showed that GT left the SEC because of the 140 rule.

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There is no relevant place for Georgia Tech in this discussion. It doesn’t really matter why they left the SEC. They aren’t coming back.

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I agreed with one of the post earlier that we can keep the tradition/rivalry of AU/UA, UGA/AU, UT/UA by moving the UA & AU to the East. They just need to get the 14th team to the West and I think it should be Mizzou.

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@Nashville Dawg

So… You can’t count either?

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Miss State 31, UGA 24

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Division One football needs a playoff system. That is more important than the division realignment discussions across the nation. New conferences will add a couple diverse matchups for a couple years, but then once new teams become a part of their conference identity, we’ll probably see less out of conference marquee matchups since conference schedules may be bigger or the quality of conference games increases slightly.

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Is it possible SEC may query some member to voluntarily give up its membership? and compensate the member with $20million? Vandy or Kentucky may take the bait.

You’re thinking as if the only game in town is FOOTBALL. Kentucky is a basketball powerhouse, Vandy consistently has a Women’s Basketball team that makes the Sweet 16 every year and has won a few SEC Championships.

Don’t be so quick to let these schools go all in the name of FOOTBALL. There are more sports on the agenda than that..

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They certianly aren’t in baseball, basketball or academics, but football pays the bills for all of the non-revenue sports.

Dawg crap!

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What about Cincinnati? They took NC State to the woodshed and laid it on hard. Those who keep bringing up VT, forget it. The legislature of the Commonwealth of Va. has already put a stop to that. They will never allow it to happen

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I have been told in confidence that TCU will be the 14th team and that Auburn will slide to the east… The SEC wants a smaller school like Vandy in the west for balance, but they want a smaller school in good market like Dallas with good athletics… I like it!

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Then who foots the bill for all of those, if not the revenue from football?

All revenue goes into a combined pot. However basketball with its tournaments that climaxes with the Final Four has a huge economic footprint for television, the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), advertisers and the colleges that are part of the tournament.

Basketball tournaments are also important to the NCAA, the tournament brings in 90% of the organization’s revenues. Interest over recent decades in the “brackets” — a term used for the grids that separate the 65 teams in the tournament into 16 different groupings — and in the eventual winners has greatly increased the tournament’s economic impact.

Colleges get direct payments from the telecast based on a complicated formula that takes into account the school’s athletic conference, how many teams from that conference make it to the tournament and how far each advances. Sometimes, these payments are split evenly throughout the conference, allotted even to those teams that do not make the tournament. For example, Morgan State University, one of the lesser teams in the tournament, got $291,000 for appearing one year. The 12 schools in the Atlantic Coast Conference — which includes previous year’s winner, the University of North Carolina — evenly split a hefty $15,863,538.

Basketball has more games, more tournaments, and more television appearances (which brings the school money) than does Football.

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DawginLex -

A little sensitive today are we? Cheer up. Whenever UGA wins another football game you will feel much better.

That’s a pretty harsh response. UGA isn’t going to win many more games, not while Richt is in Athens.

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SSIgator, Gainsville is a landfill

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That’s a pretty harsh response. UGA isn’t going to win many more games, not while Richt is in Athens.

Way harsh! UGA still has to play Vandy, New Mexico State and Kentucky.

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@SSIgator

Tough day in the office today? You did not graduate from the University of Florida.

The reason why Missouri is the better fit than all the rest of the schools mentioned on this thread (especially FSU), is that it will open the television markets in St. Louis and Kansas City. These moves are strategic strictly for money in TV ratings. I don’t like the move any more than the next person…

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Vandy in the SEC East that’s SEC EAST! Sorry for the typo.

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Louisville is a great up and coming team, however their fan base is not that tried and true. I’m for West Va. OR Notre Dame. If we’re going to be on television, we have to have FANS to be in the stands.

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WVU adds very little to the common SEC pie. They don’t justify divvying it up further. Louisville is what Louisville is. They consistently have decent, sometimes good teams and don’t particularly have a large following. Notre Dame isn’t going anywhere they would have to actually compete with quality teams on a week to week basis. If they were to actually join a conference, smart money would be on the ACC.

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Actually, bringing in NC State would, from a media perspective, bring you the Charlotte metro area (about 500k to 700k population) and the Winston-Salem area (approx. 200k population), plus the rest of North Carolina and parts of Virginia.

From a sports perspective, you get NC State, not UNC. The Tar Heels are suffering under potential NCAA investigations at the moment. You also open up yet another state for recruiting.

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If AU shiftsed to the east, bama UT rivalry gets cut out as a permanant game. I see that as the only loss, but it just cant be avoided. Bamer has to keep the Iron Bowl!

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BTW – just read that the MU Board of Curators is likely meeting this Friday to vote on seeking SEC membership. Apparently, Mizzou fans have been lobbying them hard to leave the Big 12.

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I do not love the idea of Alabama and Auburn moving to the east with Vandy moving to the west if Mizzou is the 14th team. This appears to be the most likely scenario to protect the Iron Bowl and keep an 8 game conference schedule. 6 divisonal games with 2 rotating other divsion games. Playing a permanent other division team would go away until the SEC can see what a 9 game conference schedule will do to the 9 SEC bowl slots. I would much prefer to add a team to the east and NC State makes the most since to me. Dear NC State, would you like to ge out from the shadow of UNC? UNC is the Texas of the ACC. Imagine what 15K visiting fans from SC, GA, TN, and FL would do for your bottom line. Even UK travels for football. What would you rather see, NCSU vs Syracuse or NCSU vs Alabama? Imagine what having an SEC defense will do with your rivalry with UNC? Your recruiting will improve, your revenues would improve and you would have the money to improve your facilities to SEC standards. Yes, for the first 5-7 years, it may be painful, but look at what has happened to South Carolina since joining the SEC. South Carolina, once one step above Vandy and UK in football, has now played in the SEC championship game and is now competitive with every SEC football power. This could be you NC State so start saving your $$ to pay that $20m ACC exit fee, and when the invite comes write the check to the ACC with a smile on your face.

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SCarolinaFan, if you add 2 western teams, only 1 needs to move to the East for balance. If that’s Auburn, they’ll take Bama as their permanent rival, preserving the Iron Bowl and Georgia and Tennessee will split the two new entries. The only true sacrifice on the schedule would be the annual Bama-UT game. Unfortunate, but they gave up the Auburn-UF rivalry during the last expansion in ‘91.

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The best move would be to add NCSU, assuming the Wolfpack could be persuaded. Of course, the Pack isn’t all that great in football but it has a great basketball tradition – and NCSU’s addition would give the SEC a wedge into the NC market, which is substantial.

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Why does UGA hardly ever schedule LSU, Alabama, and Arkansas?

Never mind, the answer is obvious. They’d rather play cupcakes.

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USCndaATL, if you did that, you can pretty much chalk up LSU winning the West every 2 out of 3 years. Going through the East will amount to a death march. Kentucky may never win a division game again.

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listen retards, if Auburn moves to the East they would play UGA every year anyways like everybody else on our side….stupids….who cares about Tenn and Alabama

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Didn’t take long for this discussion to devolve into inanity, did it?

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All this BS is exactly why it needs to be left alone.

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Buzzer
September 27th, 2011
1:09 pm

If the ACC is so inferior, why are all the posters on here intent on raiding the ACC for a 14th team?

That’s not really the case. The SEC needs to add another school now that TAMU has joined the conference simply to maintain numerical balance in the divisions. In order to add a quality football program that is actually within the SE geographical region one has to consider the three ACC schools that have reasonably good football programs. Those are FSU, Clemson and VA Tech.

The only other options are WVU and Mizzou. Either of these schools would represent a mid-tier football program in the SEC, but both are at the extreme boundaries of the SEC’s geographic footprint. The best solution for the SEC would be to add one of the three ACC schools, but one of them will first have to leave the ACC. The SEC will not likely lower itself to poaching teams from another conference under the table, as did the ACC with Pitt and Syracuse.

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We can hardly wait to travel to Columbia and tailgate.

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@Will

Conference realignment is hardly the most significant problem on the Ole’ Miss radar.

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East- UGA, TENN, SC Vandy Kentucky Fla Clemson

West Auburn Bama, Miss, Miss State LSU Ark. Tex A%M

Clemson has more SEC atmosphere, campus, stadium, plus other sports would have less travel and be competitve

Replace Clemson in ACC with South Florida or Conn.

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Well, not much need to comment. The ajc blog nation has it all figured out

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SSIgator

Since you’re all about stats and history…Could you please answer the following questions:
1. Who has won more SEC titles UGA or UF?
2. Who leads the all time series UGA or UF?
3. Who has more Heismann winners UGA or UF?

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UGA
FLa
FSU
Clemson
GT
Tenn
UNC
NC State

Aub
Bama
LSU
Ole Miss
Miss St
A & M
Notre Dame
KY

Thar’s ya a 16 team super conference in football and basketball.

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SSIgator

Since you’re all about stats and history…Could you please answer the following questions:
1. Who has won more SEC titles UGA or UF?
2. Who leads the all time series UGA or UF?
3. Who has more Heismann winners UGA or UF?

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Joe -

Stats are for the Richtite KoolAid drinking gang. But since you brought it up, what will you refer to when UF overtakes UGA in the categories you mentioned? Oh, I know. Then it will be “moral victories” since that is what UGA is now reduced to taking comfort in.

BTW, DawginLex is going through that “male time of the month” right now so he is not in a good mood and doesn’t want to play. He should be better in about three days if he stays on his Midol tablets.

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If you want to discuss historic SEC statistics, then everyone representing Georgia, Florida or (God forbid) Georgia Tech need to line up behind The University of Alabama and The University of Tennessee.

Sheesh…

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And PigIron, unfortunately, like most in here, you are too wrapped up in your biases to fully apprecaite the nuances of the discussion.

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No, based on your posts, you clearly are.

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HAHAHA

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Thank you for proving my point about the average SEC fan.

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Well we can agree on that LOL

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Buzzer, in case you haven’t been paying attention the last few weeks, competitiveness in football is a mitigating but not a driving factor in expansion. If it was, FSU would be the top target instead of a 2nd or 3rd tier choice. Revenues from market share are king which is why the 14th team will likely come from either the St. Louis/KC or the DC metro area.

For goodness’ sake, even Maryland and NC St. have been mentioned and not even their Head Coaches’ wives would claim they could be competitive with an SEC schedule.

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PigIron, the only schools that have concrete ties to expansion are Missouri (board meeting late this week) and West Virginia (already told “thanks for applying but your skill sets don’t match our needs”). Everything thing else including Va Tech, FSU, Notre Dame, Louisville, TCU, Maryland, NC St. and Clemson are all fevered blog rumors.

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SSIGator, let me help you out. Since gator football didn’t start until 1990. Here is the overall stats between FL and UGA:

1. Who has won more SEC titles UGA or UF?
Answer: UF
2. Who leads the all time series UGA or UF?
Answer: UF
3. Who has more Heismann winners UGA or UF?
Answer: UF

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dawg4ever -

I don’t think I would compare BSU and SC to Alabama and LSU if I were you, but whatever floats your boat.

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You know, I feel a bit more ignorant now. Thanks Dawg Fans! Go Dawgs!

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If GT wants back in the SEC, it will get back in the SEC. Their program has more history and pagentry than most of the current SEC schools. GT-UT, GT-AU, GT-ALA, and GT-SC are great rival games.

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dawh4ever,
Since you live off of others success (Bama and LSU), I have a question. Did you put a nothch in your bedpost when one of your buddies scored with a girl while growing up or is this just a recent development?

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It would be nice to go to just 4,major conferences. Sec acc big 10 @ PAC 16. If 4 conferences had 16 teams each and a conference champion ship that way you would not loose the importance of the regular season. You have tradition with rivalries between acc & sec also big10 & PAC 10 with the rose bowl. Sec champ vs acc champ in the sugar or orange bowl and big 10vs pac10 in the rose then the winner of each play for the national championship. And get rid of the stupid bcs! That keeps tradition and gives you a simple play off and want take away from the regular season.

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Beast from the East -

Two observations: First, I did not know you had a big mouth and second, I did not know we were buddies. I guess you learn something new every day. BTW, don’t irritate dawg4ever – he sounds really mean.

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I rather see West Virginia any day before Missouri

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Since dawg homers seem to love living in the past, how about remembering the Jan Kemp trial, which exposed UGA and Vince Dooley for the jokes that they were. My favorite quote from the trial was this one:

O. Hale Almand Jr., a lawyer for the defense, offered a justification for the favorable treatment accorded the athletes, citing a hypothetical player. “We may not make a university student out of him,” he told the jury, “but if we can teach him to read and write, maybe he can work at the post office rather than as a garbageman when he gets through with his athletic career.”

The best thing about the trial was that it completely killed Vince Dooley’s shot at Congress, since he was exposed as a fraud and a cheat during the trial. Make no mistake – Dooley knew everything that was going on.

Nothing has changed in the almost three decades since the trial. If anything, the abuses are even worse. Exhibit #1: Jim Harrick and son.

Today the players are even more illiterate and felonious and, well, just plain stupid, as evidenced by their arrest records and record number of penalties. Even Vince Dooley couldn’t have controlled this mob, much less Mark Richt.

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bobby bowden on the finebaum show today said fsu probably stays where it is…its happy in the acc…says too that west virginia adds nothing to the sec, doubts they get an invite…then again, what does he know…

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alpha male

September 27th, 2011
8:43 pm

hey lakedawg…the funny thing is that Vandy, Ole Miss., Kentucky, Miss St., A&M, SC, Ark., AU…have uga on their easy list…
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I know.

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It;s pretty much a given that the best part of SSIGator ran down the crack of his mommas butt.

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I’m wondering why nobody seems to be considering the University of South Florida as a possible 14th member of the SEC. Va Tech would be the best addition for the SEC based on bringing in the Washington DC area TV market, but if that doesn’t happen a second team in Florida might make more sense (and more money) than adding Missouri. USF is based in the #13 TV market in the country – Tampa/St. Petersburg – and the state of Florida contains 3 of the top 20 TV markets in the country.

I’m sure the University of Florida would rather have the entire state to themselves, but if adding a second team in Fla would bring in more money, I’m sure UF would rather have that even more.

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Just add Mizzou or WVU. WHo cares. The sec got what it wants in A&M. Both Mizzou and WVU are another Miss. state. THey will have some good years and go to bowl games. MIzzou would be my first pick, but I wouldn’t wait on them. Give them a deadline. SO we can get this schedule fixed.

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Just wait.

You will all figure out real soon that we are going to have a far tougher time moving forward than we enjoyed – say in 2002

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I do not understand why SEC schools do not want to add their in-state rivals (for that reason alone). Wouldn’t this actually help. If FSU joins the SEC, the FSU-UF game would be a conference game. UF would then be able to add another out of conference rival. Also, in a 14 or 16 team league, how is anyone going to be guaranteed an OOC rival? Having your rival in conference seems to be the only way to ensure the continuation of the series. Being in the same conference (and Division) does not seem to bother the UA-AU rivalry.

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WVU brings in the Pittsburgh TV market (only 2 slots below the Kansas City market that has everyone in a wad about Mizzou) and the entire state of West Virginia.
Moreover, just like Syracuse with respect to New York, Mizzou fans aren’t as relevant within their footprint as West Virginia is wihtin their TV footprint

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SEC should get TCU as the 14th team and move Auburn to the East and be done with it!!

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duronimo

UNC cares too much about Basketball… they would never leave the ACC for the SEC.
They can’t even win football games in the ACC!! Why would they want to get there brains beat in every week in the SEC??

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DawginLex … Notre Dame wants no part of the SEC. They like their cupcake schedule as is.

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A few salient comments:

1. Four different SEC teams have won the last five BCS championships.

2. UGA was not one of those teams.

3. During that period, UGA did not win the SEC championship.

4. During that period, UGA did not even win its SEC division.

5. Red panties.

In other words, UGA has sunk into total irrelevancy both regionally and nationally.

So why is UGA paying Mark Richt millions of dollars a year?

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Regardless of why Tech left the SEC, the fact remains, they left the SEC and should NOT have the opportunity to return. End of story…..

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According to numerous news reports, the SEC has rejected WVU as a potential member. Maybe it’s because they are only 50 miles from Pittsburgh.

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The West Virginians wouldn’t be able to understand the southern folks and vice-versa.

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Yep!

That’s how many matches it typically takes to ignite a couch.

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Oh heck no. We want Hiwayee in our division. I bet them grass skirts burn REAL good.

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