Fan talk: Is Ole Miss really the ‘must win’ game?

Does Mark Richt face a must-not-lose game? (Brant Sanderlin / AJC)

Does Mark Richt face a must-not-lose game? (Brant Sanderlin / AJC)

It’s not been a good week for news out of Athens. First Rutherford Hall, then R.E.M. and the Georgia offensive line. But, as the old Southern saying goes, Thank God for Mississippi. Or perhaps not, as we’ll discuss when we check some Junkyard Mail. …

Stan the Dawg writes: I think the sports columnists had it all wrong (so what else is new?). They labeled South Carolina a “must win” for Mark Richt, but that never made any sense. Even for a coach on the hot seat, there’s no dishonor in losing to a talented, highly-ranked team. But Ole Miss is another matter. The Rebs are a truly bad team and got routed by Vandy! I think the Dawgs win easily Saturday, but what if they don’t? Is there any way Richt could survive a loss to Ole Miss?

You make a good point. This game could potentially be a lot more damaging to Richt’s job security than the South Carolina game. But it wouldn’t necessarily be an official jumping of the shark for him. If Georgia lost to the Rebels but then won out, that would mean this team had victories over Florida, Auburn and Tech, the big three of UGA rivals. Of course, it’s difficult to imagine a team that lost to Ole Miss beating all those teams. And a loss Saturday certainly would have the Bulldog Nation howling. It’s more of a must-not-lose game than a must-win game.

Jax Dawg writes: No Dawg fan will disagree that Aaron Murray is a HUGE talent at the QB position, but is he progressing as a player in his 3rd year in the system? He is still young and only a RS-Sophomore so there plenty of room for growth, but shouldn’t ball security be a higher priority for a QB in the SEC?

And Raymon is thinking along the same lines when he writes: Just wondering when will people start to question is Murray part of the problem with UGA football? Because who has Murray beat since starting at QB last year? Nobody! He is the reason we lost the 2010 Florida game, IMO. Because he could not throw and hit the side of a barn in the 1st half when our defense was playing their tail off. So if he wouldn’t have overshot the WR then we could have jumped on Florida and then we all know he threw the INT also, and again sometimes against S.C. he looked stupid. Again, the defense played good enough to win and again we could have really jumped on them however … Murray threw an INT and fumbled the ball at big parts of the game. … So I’m one that believes Mark’s time might be up but, hey, Murray hasn’t helped the man either! GO DAWGS!!!

There’s no question Aaron Murray’s sophomore season hasn’t exactly gotten off to a sizzling start, but aside from the two lapses against the Gamecocks I think he’s generally been pretty good. And I think the lapses on the offensive line have had a lot to do with the games in which he’s struggled, both last season and this year. I’m not ready to write him off by a long shot.

An anonymous Redcoat writes: I would like to start off by saying that I am a UGA Redcoat, and personally I am not fond of a lot of the new aspects of our performance this year. I was wondering what someone from the crowd thinks of it? I’ve heard reports that we cannot be heard as well from our new seats (and especially not with an opposing band sitting two sections away), and the “Georgia Bulldogs” cheer that we lead during pregame never seems to go well. What are your thoughts?

And we also hear from another Redcoat, Josh Osif, who writes: I understand that change isn’t the most comfortable feeling at such a “tradition rich” college. That being said, I and my colleagues of the 107th Redcoat Band do not appreciate the comments made last week by the Junkyard Blawg. We work very hard to put together a show that gets the crowd excited and involved. … In that article that knocked the band last week, the lack of fan support was mentioned. You won’t find any more devout fans than in the Redcoat band. And with that I ask, should the band change to our old pregame show, or should Dawg fans be better fans and adapt to change in the name of supporting their team?

I wasn’t knocking the Redcoat Band. One of my brothers was a Redcoat and I’m a fan of the Redcoats. But that doesn’t mean I have to agree with or like everything they do. I happen to think the spell-Georgia cheer works better at the end of the halftime show rather than in the pregame routine. And the “Georgia/Bulldogs” thing with the band just isn’t working. The second game it was done, the crowd was no closer to catching on and the lag time while the band members reposition themselves ruins the pace of the cheer. Howevver, I am very glad  to have the band down in my end of the stadium now, though having them and the South Carolina band playing at the same time was a bit problematic. And I’m not sure if the bulk of the student section can hear them as well, which might be a problem. Overall, though, I think the new placement of the band probably is a good thing. Anyway, let’s be clear: I love the Redcoats. Ain’t nothing finer in the land!

Cleveland Williams writes: Do you really think the Georgia board and executives (Adams and McGarity) who make coaching decisions are really thinking change or is it just media hype and fan frustration?

I think the folks in charge can’t ignore media hype and fan frustration, but I’m not sure there’s any “minimum” number of wins Richt has to get this year to save his job. I think the general trend of the team’s performance and how competitive it is as the season goes on might be a bigger factor in how they evaluate Richt.

Invictus Mon writes: Got it from a VERY reliable source who has known Richt since his years before UGA that he thinks this will be Richt’s last year at UGA and not because he’s going to be fired. He thinks Richt has already had enough of all of us, and is ready to take his fortune and do more meaningful things with his life. This is something I’ve been afraid of for years. We’re going to lose the winningest coach of the last decade because we chased him off. Not because we fired him, but because we made his life so miserable he didn’t find it worthwhile to stay. Then who are we going to get? Nobody’s going to want to put up with our crap. You think Smart would leave his cush job at BAMA with uncle Saban looking after him to get thrown to the wolves here? I have it under VERY good authority as well that the only reason Muschamp did that at UT was because he knew he was on the hot seat and even though he was the coach in waiting, there was a strong feeling by the powers that be that someone else was getting that job over him anyway. The SEC is a dream destination, and UGA is a great job, but I’m not sure we’re doing ourselves any favors recruiting a quality coach by acting like a dadgum lynch mob.

Love those reliable sources everyone seems to have. I’ve heard the Richt-really-wants-to-be-a-missionary theory and I don’t buy it. I think he enjoys coaching at UGA and would be happy to be in Athens another 10 years. Whether that’s possible for any coach in today’s media/fan environment, I don’t know.

Kelly Hibbs, who apparently took umbrage at me saying West Virginia wouldn’t be a very good choice for the SEC, writes: Didn’t West Virginia beat UGA in their own backyard in the Sugar Bowl recently? That is what I thought. Way better basketball program than UGA, too. Don’t think the Dawgs could handle them on a yearly basis. UGA is an also-ran program now. Sorry.

Look, if beating Georgia in in the past six years was sole qualification for being in the SEC, then Colorado and Central Florida would merit consideration. Beating Georgia doesn’t change the fact that West Virginia was passed over by the ACC and doesn’t have much TV reach (though someone pointed out it has some following in Pittsburgh). There are other more suitable choices for a 14th team.

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302 comments Add your comment

Top Dawg

September 22nd, 2011
12:53 pm

Athens= God's Country

September 22nd, 2011
12:54 pm

“Is beating Ole Miss a must win game?”

Well, since they play in the SEC, I would have to say YES!!!

C’mon man.

Spike 80DF

September 22nd, 2011
12:56 pm

You can call it a “must win” if it makes you feel better. The reality is that he’s done…

Strange Murphy

September 22nd, 2011
12:56 pm

Every game is a must win! That’s the way it should always be.

And Michael Vick lost to the Falcons! Did ya hear bout that?

texas dawg

September 22nd, 2011
12:57 pm

doesnt look good for the dogs

Strange Murphy

September 22nd, 2011
12:57 pm

Invictus Mon is right. Dawg fans are stupid.

TC

September 22nd, 2011
12:58 pm

Is beating Ole Miss a must win? Well it should be, but probably not because if UGA loses all the fans will just blame it on the players.

bugsquacher

September 22nd, 2011
12:59 pm

1-GEORGIA is a combined 0-5 against Top 25 teams in 2010 and 2011
2- GEORGIA has lost 10 of its last 12 against ranked teams. (2-10 record)
3- GEORGIA is now 15-14 in his last 29 games
4-GEORGIA is 6-10 in the past 16 SEC games.
5- GEORGIA is 3-5 in their last 8 games going back to last season
6- GEORGIA has won 1 of it last 4. (and it wasnt a powerhouse we beat today)

Gordon

September 22nd, 2011
1:02 pm

West Virginia was passed over by the ACC because of their terrible academics. It had nothing to do with their athletic programs.

I think Richt has to do one of the following to keep his job:

1) Go 8-1 in his final 9 games of the regular season.

2) Go 7-2 but beat Florida.

Wow

September 22nd, 2011
1:04 pm

Am I the only one seeing what is going on here?

Of course BIll King is wanting this to become a “must win” game for Richt…and here’s why. Bill King, as well as any other college football fan with half a brain, knows that UGA is going to beat the crap out of lowly Ole Miss. If this is a “must win” game, and UGA wins (which it will do easily – even with a make-shift O-line), then everybody will say that Richt won the game he had to…with unbelievable pressure on him…that he must be a great coach because he can win the “big” games.

Come on…Richt has already proven he can beat teams with a losing record. No news flash there.

Bro

September 22nd, 2011
1:08 pm

I thought they were all must win games. If not why play them.

just sayin'

September 22nd, 2011
1:09 pm

@HCG…good comment to Buckeye..

bigdawg88

September 22nd, 2011
1:16 pm

Uh, Murray’s INT against SC was because Crowell whiffed on a block and Murray was hit as he threw and couldn’t get enough on the ball. That fumble was just pathetic, but I’m sure Richt got onto him and reminded him it’s more important to hold onto the ball and hope for another driver rather than trying to make something out of a busted play. Maybe some of you missed the drives where he was throwing the ball like he was in the NFL? I was wondering why that Murray didn’t show up versus Boise State, but then again our short passing game was non-existent.

As far as CMR, my only question about him seems to be that he doesn’t seem to expect much out of his players. He has some serious play makers, but he seems to tie them down too much, especially on offense. Heck, just throw it up once in awhile and let the receivers fight for it. I don’t see that from us, but other teams seem to do it much more often. And if you can’t block in the pocket, let Murray roll out, or run it every now and then. Use what you got, coach.

GO DAWGS!!! GATA!!

Rick

September 22nd, 2011
1:17 pm

Every game from here on out is a must-win

PaulPaul

September 22nd, 2011
1:18 pm

Jen,
Good post. We need to stay behind our team. Most of the people who post here do not have a clue what it means to be true fan. I have been been a Bulldawg fan since 1966 when I started at UGA. Everyone wants a win every time out but it just doesn’t happen that way. These are young men playing a tough game and some days you might not be on top for some reason. People forget these players have academics and other issues going on in their lives. I hope the team doesn’t read these blogs. It is insane some of the things people come up with sitting anonomously behind their keyboards.
I hope coach Richt does well this year. If not he will probably be glad not to have to deal with fickle fan base if he leaves.

gomdawg

September 22nd, 2011
1:19 pm

You know it’s getting bad when a sport writer does not know how to write about sports so they jump on Coach CMR every week. With that said Bill go get a real job.and quit fxxxing with our coach

Frank Lane

September 22nd, 2011
1:22 pm

A great team approaches every game as a “must win.”

reality

September 22nd, 2011
1:23 pm

Of course this is a must-win game. Unfortunately, it’s Ole Miss in a battle 28-20.

Wow

September 22nd, 2011
1:23 pm

Unbelievable how UGA fans have become okay with mediocrity. I keep reading post after post about how it’s okay to lose to Boise State and SC because they were ranked high in the polls.

UGA fans…will you really be okay losing to every school that the Vegas oddsmakers say you should? If so, get ready to go 8-4 or 9-3 every year. I remember a time when UGA was upset if they lost to ANYBODY.

Still@theBAR

September 22nd, 2011
1:24 pm

I see UGA is tearing down Rutherford Hall. Do you think they will have a memorial ceremony for all the Deaths of Virginity that happened in that place?

Pago Pago Dawg

September 22nd, 2011
1:27 pm

Actually, the Rockets were just 17 yeards from beating the Bucs, and could stayon the field with UGA.
The Big House makes visitng bands sit on the field, near end zone, next to the visiting team.
What makes you people think the BS coach will come to Athens and coach slap dancers/hip hop dancers etc.!

Still@theBAR

September 22nd, 2011
1:28 pm

Ole Miss should give the Dawgs fits for about 10 game minutes. Mason Should Play the last 3 quarters of the game so the DAWG Fans and Coaches can really see how good he can be compared to Murray

Douglas Dawg

September 22nd, 2011
1:30 pm

Who are we kidding….. if we can’t beat Ole Miss then something is bad wrong, and something could be bad wrong. I support CMR but can we beat Ole Miss should not even be the question. By how many should be the question. I looked at http://www.ugasports.com and looked at each postions year, didn’t realize how young we really are. If we can somehow go 9-3 the future is bright.

trouble is a brewin

September 22nd, 2011
1:33 pm

Ralph

Bottom line, Mark Richt is not on the hot seat. He is a long termer at UGA. Ain’t going no where no matter what this year.

Yeah, that’s what we are afraid of.Five years of a downhill slide is way long enough.Richt needs to recruit
a moving fan company.

R U kidding?

September 22nd, 2011
1:33 pm

Doudlas…to go 9-3 you would have to win 8 more games…not going to happen. You could lose to everyone left on your schedule and will probably lose at least 4 more.

Really Haters???

September 22nd, 2011
1:35 pm

Different day, same ole crap…..They should remove comments from blogs…Nothing new from you idiots….

Carl Gump

September 22nd, 2011
1:36 pm

Damn Redcoats have became so predictable since Bobo took over as band director.

Gay Dawg

September 22nd, 2011
1:38 pm

It could get sticky this weekend dealing with Nutt

evil empire

September 22nd, 2011
1:40 pm

douglas dawg

every team in the sec gets young; difference is bama and lsu reload, not rebuild…

Carl Gump

September 22nd, 2011
1:41 pm

When Ole Miss fires Houston, he could take over as our mascot and become “Hairy Nutt”.

Tdawg

September 22nd, 2011
1:41 pm

I’m a MR fan, but if the dawgs lose to OM, then his arese should be fired on the spot. Not later on the plane home, but right there on the Ole Miss football field, before they even get to the locker room.

Brad in Jasper

September 22nd, 2011
1:42 pm

Mr. Bill,

Just wanted to let you know I really enjoy this format over some of the mid-week articles that understandibly sometimes reach for stimulating subject matter. Feel free to open up the mailbag and respond as often as you want.

Chanticleer

September 22nd, 2011
1:42 pm

1-3 (0-2 SEC) is a “must avoid” record.

Dawg Tired

September 22nd, 2011
1:43 pm

Bill – If we can’t beat a team that lost by 23 points to Vandy we should not only fire the coach, we should give serious consideration to giveing up playing football as an intercollegiate sport altogther.

Douglas Dawg

September 22nd, 2011
1:47 pm

On the plus side guys….. We are going to win. No doubt about it. While I could see us losing three more games I could see us running the table ( I doubt it, but possible ). That is what is so frustrating about UGA right now.

mountainman

September 22nd, 2011
1:50 pm

Question? Why is CMR still the head coach at UGA…he should have been released last yr. This yr. will end terribly for him and the UGA fans when it could have been avoided. I’m reminded of the AFLAC commercial where the guy asked if his company had AFLAC duck (as such superior coaching in SEC) and the fellow mentioned no we got that – a goat (as not up to par in coaching ability!)

for your information

September 22nd, 2011
1:53 pm

What college football team
leads the nation in total offense and points scored?

Abnerish

September 22nd, 2011
1:55 pm

1) Absolutely a Must win game. No question. He loses this game, he should be fired at the end of the season. A Georgia team cannot lose to a team that gets absolutely dominated by Vandy. what’s the difference between and must win game and a “must not lose” game.
2) Murray should still be starter, but a few more games with bad turnovers or dumb decisions and I think you start to get Mason in there. Competition makes everyone better.
3) Spell Georgia cheer should be at the end of halftime, period. And why not put the opposing band in the 500 level?
4) Where else will Richt get a bigger pulpit than as head football coach for an SEC school? Seems to me that being a head coach helps him spread his word. That retire stuff is just bunk. Not gonna happen (unless there’s a separate issue in play – health, etc).

trouble is a brewin

September 22nd, 2011
1:56 pm

I don’t think this game is a shoe in for the Dawgs, as a lot here suggest. Nutt is not going to roll over,with his back to the corner,they will probable give us all we want.
I’ll be surprized if we cover the spread.

trouble is a brewin

September 22nd, 2011
1:58 pm

What college football team
leads the nation in total offense and points scored?

Probably some team that hasn’t played anybody,playing teams like Kansas ans Middle Tenn. St.

Joe B

September 22nd, 2011
2:03 pm

How about the fluke Georgia team in 1980 !!!!!

Ole Miss wins 24-21

Ron Smith

September 22nd, 2011
2:06 pm

UGA MUST beat Ole Miss. If they were to lose it will be a tragedy to fire Mark Richt. He is a great coach and “better the devil you know than one you don’t know”.

FreeJamesBrown

September 22nd, 2011
2:08 pm

Still@thebar – keep the comments coming, you are funny as he&&. Those facts are right on point!!!!!!

@TopDog – It’s a hard pill to swallow (or you might like to swallow something else) but you are right all top programs fall on hard times, the problem is that your school is still trying to get back up, after 30+years of being down. It’s time for Coach Richt to leave, he has lost the support of the sidewalk alumni’s for UGA. The good ole boys in south/north georgia don’t want to get off the top of their sisters to watch uga lose………………You the SUCKA, SUCKA

MCDAVIDDAWG

September 22nd, 2011
2:12 pm

the do nothing coach must win this one or he’s toast for sure. My bet is he’s already used up all his credit.

trouble is a brewin

September 22nd, 2011
2:13 pm

a tragedy to fire Mark Richt. He is a great coach

You must have been out of the country for the last
three years.

The truth is

September 22nd, 2011
2:14 pm

Richt has handed in his resignation effective after the bowl game and Bobo is being named head coach.

THE (G) ON THE MUTTS HELMET STANDS 4 GAY

September 22nd, 2011
2:16 pm

THE SEC SAYS PLEASE DONT FIRE MARK RICHT!

Eaassyy

September 22nd, 2011
2:17 pm

The Ole Miss should be a gimme win. Key word: “should.”

That said, the MSU game is a serious must win home game for this team.

Beat the state of Mississippi then beat a not very good Tennessee team and Richt gains some, key word “some”, credibility.

Barack Dawg

September 22nd, 2011
2:17 pm

Buckeye – don’t you need to get a tatoo and sell some merchandise or something? Where is a good hurricane when you need one. Oh it just passed. I would say go watch some football but you are in the big ten and can’t find any.

trouble is a brewin

September 22nd, 2011
2:18 pm

the problem is that your school is still trying to get back up, after 30+years of being down.

You really need to shut up,because you don’t have a clue
of what your talking about.Just because we haven’t won an NC since 80 doesn’t mean the program has been down 30 plus years. What a moron.