Is raiding the ACC still a possibility for the SEC?

SEC LogoI was talking conference expansion yesterday with a Georgia fan who posited that the ACC upping its exit fee to $20 million pretty much kills any chance of the SEC getting Virginia Tech or FSU or Clemson.

Looks like we’ll end up with West Virginia or Missouri, he said, noting that he didn’t view Texas A&M and Missouri/West Virginia as adding much luster to the SEC, though the conference did enter this expansion mess in a stronger position than any other league, in terms of football (which is what’s driving all this change).

A couple of thoughts about all that. First, the only ACC team that’s made any noise at all about studying possible realignment is FSU, and while their president obviously was among those voting unanimously to increase the exit fee, that doesn’t necessarily mean Florida State might not still find it worth its while to pay the $20 million in order to join the SEC. I can’t really see any of the other ACC schools, like Clemson, paying that fee, though.

Whether or not there was a rumored “gentlemen’s agreement” in the past for the SEC not to add teams in states where a conference member already resides — and there’ve been reports there never was any such agreement — FSU would certainly add to the SEC’s TV star power, even if it wouldn’t bring in a new television market. And it would counter the addition of Texas A&M geographically.

But while Missouri might not seem all that sexy a choice from a fan point of view, it would bring the St. Louis and Kansas City TV markets with it, and that would also be pretty attractive to the SEC. Auburn could move over to the SEC East to balance the divisons, thereby also assuring the Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry with Georgia continues to be an every-year affair.

West Virginia? Aside from being competitive on the football field, the SEC adding a program that the ACC didn’t want, and which brings very little in terms of TV reach, would justifiably seem like an also-ran choice.

Really, I think most of the SEC would have preferred to keep the status quo, but that has become impossible in the face of all the other changes going on.

So, best-case scenario, to me, is adding Texas A&M and FSU or Missouri.

Feel free to share your own views on SEC expansion.

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seabass

September 20th, 2011
10:40 am

Yes, I think the ACC got more schools expecting to be raided. I think FSU to us, Maryland to the Big East.

asleep at the wheel

September 20th, 2011
10:41 am

SEC bettet get on the stick! Or they will be like Richt when it comes to recruiting.

Alabamadawg

September 20th, 2011
10:44 am

I would love to see FSU or VT join the SEC…since the SEC is expanding. Actually I wish the SEC would put full court press on Oklahoma. Now that would be a winner !! Go Dawgs !!

Logan Walker

September 20th, 2011
10:47 am

I personally don’t like the idea of realigning current SEC schools. I believe that the schools we add should be the only conference changes, but maybe thats just me. With that said, Texas A&M and FSU or West Virginia would be preferal to adding two western schools….

UF TO ACC?

September 20th, 2011
10:51 am

There has been some discussion about UF coming to the ACC. I don’t think that would happen, but it’s about as plausible as FSU leaving. The SEC killed their opportunity a long time ago by not letting in teams that were in states they already occupy. If that rumor wasn’t true, they easily would have gotten Clemson, FSU, GT. They can hang their hats on the Virginias…NOT EVER going to happen, EVER. And that is what they wanted, so they snubbed the others. Now they are scrambling to find decent teams to fit the mold that are willing to move. HA

McDawg

September 20th, 2011
10:54 am

the world is going to hell in a bucket and not sure i’m enjoying the ride

Mtn Dawg

September 20th, 2011
10:57 am

This is total BS! It always has to be about money. To heck with tradition, and the where is the emphasis on the student athlete? The Ivory Tower has spoken. Us fifs will just have to do as we’re told, which is the way of things in many sectors of our society. Imbalances in power and wealth can only lead to trouble. As they say, ‘Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.’

85Dawg

September 20th, 2011
11:04 am

$20M exit fee is chump change when compared to the multi-billion the conferences get from ESPN/CBS/etc. The SEC could pay the $20M without batting an eye. SEC could go after Mizzou for the 8th team in the West and VaTech and West Virginia for the East. There’s balance and some good football–with pretty good basketball too

bugsquacher

September 20th, 2011
11:09 am

I heard with the way the girls are playing at Georgia, there could be a swap between the ACC and SEC. Our girls go play for the ACC and FSU becomes an SEC member.

the record speaks for itself……

1-GEORGIA is a combined 0-5 against Top 25 teams in 2010 and 2011
2- GEORGIA has lost 10 of its last 12 against ranked teams. (2-10 record)
3- GEORGIA is now 15-14 in his last 29 games
4-GEORGIA is 6-10 in the past 16 SEC games.
5- GEORGIA is 3-5 in their last 8 games going back to last season
6- GEORGIA has won 1 of it last 4. (and it wasnt a powerhouse we beat today)

Dontsufferfools

September 20th, 2011
11:10 am

I see the SEC eventually ending up with A&M, WVa., AND Mizzou plus one other, maybe FSU, to total 16. ACC gonna’ get UCONN and Rutgers and could grab a Big East leftover if FSU leaves to make 16.

Mtn Dawg

September 20th, 2011
11:10 am

I say conference commissioners are building a house of cards that some day will come tumbling down on them. Let’s see who can be the most powerful/wealthy SUPER CONFERENCE???

Still@theBAR

September 20th, 2011
11:10 am

SEC took off and now is out of gas just past the starting line. SEC is looking bad to start this merry-go-round and now doesn’t have a 2nd horse to ride.The ACC will probably get UConn and Notre Dame before this is over. The ACC will not lose schools to the SEC.

beanster

September 20th, 2011
11:11 am

This is truly shameful when you consider the tradition that is being destroyed in the name of greed. Screw ESPN and Texas. I wish the former Big 12 would reassemble and kick Texas out. Let them be independent like Notre Dame since they obviously put themselves on a pedestal anyway. What a shame.

SBC Pastor

September 20th, 2011
11:14 am

BTW, UF to ACC: Georgia Tech used to be the SEC, but it left because it didn’t want to keep sharing the bowl game money that they were getting.

As far as expansion goes, FSU would be a welcome addition, as would Clemson (I guess), but Texas A&M and Missouri? No offense to either of those fine schools, but they are simply not on the same caliber as the SEC, at least in terms of athletics.

Cs

September 20th, 2011
11:16 am

Maryland to the Big East??? What planet are you from? UMD was a founding member of the ACC. A bball school (UMD) would certainly not leave the best bball conference (ACC) for the soon-to-be non-existent Big East? Im praying the ACC gets Notre Dame, but Im realistic about that. It probably wont happen.

Still@theBAR

September 20th, 2011
11:17 am

Tradition?
what about the tradition of the 20’s
the 50’s when Army had 25 yr old soldiers on the team
Traditions change all the time.
What about when Students played these sports for fun and were more concerned about getting a VALUABLE Degree not like the toilet paper diplomas the SEC hands out to Athlete Students

robodawg

September 20th, 2011
11:17 am

Keeping the league at 12 teams isn’t impossible. Just no one has the will to say no. Oh no, the PAC 12 may expand into Texas! Oh no, the Big Ten+2 might grab the St Louis television market!

Who cares? SEC football is great b/c of tradition, the high school football talent base in the South, and overwhelming fan support, things a PAC 16 or Big Ten+6 can’t take away. And we have loads of cash to maintain our facilities and install fancy new LED screens. We don’t need a footprint in Texas or Missouri or DC to stay great.

Just say no to ESPN. They’re marketing a national product, they’re not looking out for the fans and alums of SEC schools.

dawgman

September 20th, 2011
11:19 am

COMBINIE ALL THE OTHER CONFERENCES ALL YOU WANT. WHATS WRONG WITH THE SEC STAYING THE SAME?

Still@theBAR

September 20th, 2011
11:21 am

The SEC needs to add ECU or UCF. UCF bea the dawgs and ECU has proven it can play with anybody now add the SEC title to them and watch the recruits come and NC is a TV market.

BigDawg

September 20th, 2011
11:21 am

Texas A&M
Missouri
Louisville
University of South Florida or West Virginia
16 and Done!

Hambulance Chaser

September 20th, 2011
11:23 am

Saying the Aggies aren’t on par with the rest of the SEC is just not true.

GeoffDawg

September 20th, 2011
11:26 am

UF TO ACC? – Bobby Bowden is on record as choosing the ACC over the SEC because it was an easier path to national titles. In a recent interview on 790, he stated that he “didn’t want to play that bunch of tough nuts each week.” For about ten years, the strategy worked brilliantly. Not a ringing endorsement for the quality of the conference though.

Toole

September 20th, 2011
11:27 am

I know we are all looking at expansion in football terms. Why doesn’t the SEC get Kansas from the Big 12. They are a basketball power. With them and Kentucky it would be a huge boost. They would benefit from the SEC in terms of football recruiting.

GeoffDawg

September 20th, 2011
11:30 am

And GT left the SEC of their own accord. They wanted to be the Notre Dame of the South. You can bet they’ve been regretting that decision for decades

Still@theBAR

September 20th, 2011
11:35 am

GeoffDawg
Don’t bet on that. The ACC & Tech fit academically & the SEC is like getting a GED compared to a degree from an ACC school

Gator Chris

September 20th, 2011
11:35 am

As a Gator Alumni, trust me, UF will not go to the ACC. Gators have to much tradition and ties to the SEC. The best fits for the SEC are either a team on Tabacco Road( UNC/Duke/NC-State ) and/or a Virgina school( UVA or VT ). The SEC will want to bring in a geographic and cultural fit. An NC team is the best option but they all have strong ACC ties. Therefore I think that leaves a Virgina Team as the SEC’s best Option. WV and Mizzou are too far away.

GeoffDawg

September 20th, 2011
11:35 am

Toole, because football is the mover and shaker in this whole process. The ACC has apparently decided that their previous football expansion experiment has failed and has decided to sit this one out and focus on getting back to their BBall roots.

Think outside the box

September 20th, 2011
11:37 am

Rusty

September 20th, 2011
11:39 am

$20 million is chump change. Get the SEC to pay half to Clemson and Florida State to join in the east and then get Texas A&M and Missouri in the west unless Oklahoma decides they want to come play big boy football week in, week out.

WDE

September 20th, 2011
11:43 am

Lets just take VT and Maryland and Oklahoma to add to A&M and have a bigger presence in the West and add teams in the Virgina/DC market.

GeoffDawg

September 20th, 2011
11:45 am

Still@theBAR, enjoy reveling in your delusions all you like if it makes you feel better. This is about money and laying a foundation for solid revenue streams for years to come. Tech can’t spend like Georgia because they don’t make the athletic revenues like Georgia. With the raging inferiority complex their fans routinely display, it’s a bygone conclusion that they wished they had the athletic advantages of being an SEC member. Football drives the money and ACC football just doesn’t compare in terms of national marketing value. Bottom line.

BTW – when you go off on a tantrum about “diploma mills” and “GEDs”, you come across as an insecure dolt. People who know what they’re worth don’t have to try to diminish others to prove it.

Still@theBAR

September 20th, 2011
11:47 am

People VT ain’t moving. They are STUCK with UVa. Do you people not remember the issues with VT joining the ACC and what the State Legislature did to make that happen? I forgot I am talking to UGA people that don’t know about anything but Dumb kids playing a sport and that is all. CULTURALLY speaking the rednecks at West Virginia fit Perfect with the SEC.

Alex Brown

September 20th, 2011
11:48 am

I am a Missouri fan and I believe if Missouri was to join the sec we will not stand pat as far as our facilities go. We will use some of the money given to us by the sec to do some major upgrading to our facilities. Our athletic director likes to upgrade our athletics. He has done that since he has been there at missou. We will find a way to be competive by upgrading. I think the markets in Kansas city and st.louis will help us to have more money to be able to do a lot of upgrading.

Skokie Dog

September 20th, 2011
11:48 am

George Mason would get SEC into the Washington, D.C., television market and would be a cupcake for the football powers already in the conference.
I actually like the idea of looking at Memphis, Louisville, and Cincinnati as options, but their TV markets aren’t large enough to matter to big money advertisers. That group would certainly bolster SEC basketball.

Gator Chris

September 20th, 2011
11:49 am

Whoever joins the SEC needs to have good BBQ and be in a new market. That means it has to be a university in NC. Mizzou is not a cultural fit and WV is not a geographic fit. FSU, Clemson and GT, despite all being a good fit, would not provide new TV markets.

Rusty

September 20th, 2011
11:50 am

I think the SEC should also look at maybe trading Vanderbilt to another conference

WhopperDawg with fries

September 20th, 2011
11:51 am

Tech left the SEC because Bobby Dodd did not like the Georgias and Alabamas trying out “student athletes” before offering. Now that is an SEC tradition. He also did not like bear bryant’s response after a tide player gave a dirty and illegal hit to a Tech player. Bryant did nothing! The Tech player never got to play again because of the injury. Another SEC tradition. These are facts! Start your denying, crying and ranting!

Still@theBAR

September 20th, 2011
11:51 am

Geoff
The ACC has a huge contract with ESPN for Basketball too. Adding Syracuse & Pitt just adds to that. When Notre Dame & UConn join I think the Money Stream will be just fine thank you.

GoDawgs

September 20th, 2011
11:53 am

From the news today it looks like the SEC is being left behind if everything follows through in terms of a legal standpoint. The ACC may become the premier conference especially in basketball if UCONN joins along with the Pac 12 if nothing holds UT, OU, OSU, and TT from joining. Talk this morning is that if Notre Dame does join a conference it will now be the ACC with Pitt, Cuse, and Uconn joining the ACC. If the Big 12 and Big East merge for a conference then where is the SEC going to get a team that makes logistical since as well as T.V. market expansion. You have to remember yes football drives athletics but can you imagine the road trips and classes missed for some of these Big 12 teams thinking about leaving for the Pac 12 for baseball, softball, tennis, and basketball. Going back and forth from LA to Austin to Washington back to Austin then to Colorado then Oregon back to Austin thats a lot of money that the smaller sports don’t have in their budget right now. I think they need to take a step back and see this is going to be viewed as a bad idea that they followed through with in 5-10 years overall for athletics that only made since for football.

Gator Chris

September 20th, 2011
11:54 am

Rusty, I was thinking the same thing. Vandy probably belongs in the ACC. The SEC could stay at 12 if Vandy left. Then the SEC could wait until a NC and Virgina team want to defect from the ACC.

WhopperDawg with fries

September 20th, 2011
11:54 am

SEC is the bestest! They should add Coastal Carolina and UCF. They’d capture the amusement park market!

TexGT

September 20th, 2011
11:55 am

GoDawgs,
I agree – UT, OU, OSU, TTech will be hating their lives once they join the Pac-12 because of the distance and the 2 hour time difference – that change in time zones is a killer.

Still@theBAR

September 20th, 2011
11:56 am

GoDawgs
great call. that is some of what I said. 6 travel games for Football is one thing, but basketball and the other sports play on Mondays-Sundays and that is a LOT of travel time. how can these kids go to class?

Richt`s Hammer

September 20th, 2011
11:58 am

Not the ACC. Their teams are too strong for us. Why not get some high schools from Alabama and Georgia. I think we can hold our on against Valdosta sometimes.

Has anyone see Russ?

WDE

September 20th, 2011
11:59 am

@WhopperDawg with fries I think we should just stand pat and just keep winning NC’s..if we down the road need a few more schools…well if we keep winning they will come…bet on it. What does the ACC have to offer a faded tradition in basketball and that’s pretty much it.

TexGT

September 20th, 2011
11:59 am

See the link below – apparently Texas to make its decision in two weeks. Also rumblings that SEC looking at picking up TTech with A&M.

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1267651

Kmac

September 20th, 2011
12:00 pm

No to Missouri. Yes to West Virginia…..(assuming VTech is out).

Gator Chris

September 20th, 2011
12:04 pm

Outside of Tommy Tuberville being the coach, I don’t think TTech is a good fit in the SEC. They are too far west.

GoDawgs

September 20th, 2011
12:04 pm

For the people on here that think teams are going to leave the ACC why in the world would you leave now when the ACC truly became the athletic conference for the entire atlantic coast.

GatorBlu

September 20th, 2011
12:05 pm

As a Gator happy to be back in Orlando but formerly living in Houston (job). I can attest that TAMU is actually a good fit and a SEC type school. UF is a founding member of the SEC and not leaving. Any other Florida school other than FSU is a definate “no.” Why would you want to bring in a tier 2 Florida school when states already divided up between UF/FSU? FSU is a maybe. Wish it was UNC.