Is raiding the ACC still a possibility for the SEC?

SEC LogoI was talking conference expansion yesterday with a Georgia fan who posited that the ACC upping its exit fee to $20 million pretty much kills any chance of the SEC getting Virginia Tech or FSU or Clemson.

Looks like we’ll end up with West Virginia or Missouri, he said, noting that he didn’t view Texas A&M and Missouri/West Virginia as adding much luster to the SEC, though the conference did enter this expansion mess in a stronger position than any other league, in terms of football (which is what’s driving all this change).

A couple of thoughts about all that. First, the only ACC team that’s made any noise at all about studying possible realignment is FSU, and while their president obviously was among those voting unanimously to increase the exit fee, that doesn’t necessarily mean Florida State might not still find it worth its while to pay the $20 million in order to join the SEC. I can’t really see any of the other ACC schools, like Clemson, paying that fee, though.

Whether or not there was a rumored “gentlemen’s agreement” in the past for the SEC not to add teams in states where a conference member already resides — and there’ve been reports there never was any such agreement — FSU would certainly add to the SEC’s TV star power, even if it wouldn’t bring in a new television market. And it would counter the addition of Texas A&M geographically.

But while Missouri might not seem all that sexy a choice from a fan point of view, it would bring the St. Louis and Kansas City TV markets with it, and that would also be pretty attractive to the SEC. Auburn could move over to the SEC East to balance the divisons, thereby also assuring the Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry with Georgia continues to be an every-year affair.

West Virginia? Aside from being competitive on the football field, the SEC adding a program that the ACC didn’t want, and which brings very little in terms of TV reach, would justifiably seem like an also-ran choice.

Really, I think most of the SEC would have preferred to keep the status quo, but that has become impossible in the face of all the other changes going on.

So, best-case scenario, to me, is adding Texas A&M and FSU or Missouri.

Feel free to share your own views on SEC expansion.

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Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 21st, 2011
12:17 am

TCU was the first school to make a truly insane jump to a geographically isolated conference. They’d be a better fit in the Big-12.

Paul in RDU

September 21st, 2011
12:20 am

Dewey – It was all about the BCS AQ status

Delbert D.

September 21st, 2011
12:21 am

Dewey – SMU has been pursuing membership for quite awhile. If they or TCU (or both, with BYU) join the Big 12, perhaps Baylor would drop the threat to sue Texas A&M.

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 21st, 2011
12:23 am

If A&M does go to the SEC, then they’ll still need a partner for them.

Still@theBAR

September 21st, 2011
12:23 am

DD I think that is the issue that stalled all the fast movement. If the threat of sueing goes away I think the moving starts again

Delbert D.

September 21st, 2011
12:23 am

I just picked this up from ESPN. Earlier today, it was deny, deny, deny , from the SEC:

“The University of Missouri is reportedly headed to the SEC after all.

“The SEC has informally agreed to add Missouri to the conference and move Auburn to the SEC East, according to a report in the Birmingham News.”

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 21st, 2011
12:26 am

That could work, but it just doesn’t sound right. I’ll take a Missouri attitude and believe it when I see it.

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 21st, 2011
12:30 am

Auburn would be a good fit in the Eastern Division. They had to give up their annual game with Florida so they could keep the Georgia rivalry game. If they were in the East, then they could play both of them every year and take Alabama as their cross-division rival game. Alabama could still keep their annual game with Tennessee. It would work. Auburn wouldn’t have the LSU game every year, but I bet they can live with that. ;-)

Paul in RDU

September 21st, 2011
12:32 am

Harold Wilson, a British PM in the 60’s and 70’s, famously said “a week is a long time in politics”. It looks as if we have the college President corollary – “a day is a long time in CFB Div 1″.

Delbert D.

September 21st, 2011
12:34 am

Paul – That’s a good one. I’m not going to try to figure anything more out tonight. It would probably be all wrong by noon tomorrow.

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 21st, 2011
12:37 am

No, it won’t work. You can’t move the Alabama vs. Auburn game. Hell, the fans would kill every tree in Auburn and Tuscaloosa if you did that.

Paul in RDU

September 21st, 2011
12:40 am

Bot going to figure out anything more myselg – I’m off to bed, Goodnight all

Delbert D.

September 21st, 2011
12:41 am

Dewey – If Auburn does move, there is the possibility of them playing each other twice. With that, I’m going to sign off for tonight.

Later, guys…

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 21st, 2011
12:45 am

I don’t know if the state of Alabama could survive two Alabama / Auburn games in one season.

Night All

BullDawg

September 21st, 2011
2:21 am

I say we trade vanderbuilt and florida for nc state and florida state.
we don’t need these nerds in our conference holding back our footbll.

and tebow sucks

Tom

September 21st, 2011
5:33 am

FSU isn’t going to the SEC. The SEC missed its opportunity. The price it pays for not courting the Seminoles (or at least not effectively enough).

Did someone say Maryland to the Big East? Umm….that’s not going to happen.

Tom

September 21st, 2011
5:42 am

Reading further…it’s amazing how many pipe dreamers are on this board! Chances are now extremely slim of FSU ever wanting to move to the SEC now. The SEC screwed up and now is looking at Plan B and C options. And an even slimmer chance of a Virginia school joining. I’d call it zero % now. The SEC will be stuck with Missouri. If that doesn’t work out, its looking at WV or worse. Louisville’s an option.

The SEC made a classic mistake of over-rating itself…getting complacent and smug about its eternal options…and now is wondering “what happened?”

Ohio State not ranked in either AP or Coaches Polls

September 21st, 2011
5:44 am

Raid the ACC ? Maybe we should be worrying about the raiding of our talent, huh ? What ya think Bill?

1.Justin Houston – DISNEYdawgs.com said he would be great 2011
2.Caleb King – DISNEYdawgs.com said he would be great 2011
3.AJ Green – DISNEYdawgs.com whined kicking he should stay 2011
4-Brandon Burrows RFr waited until Fall Camp for surgery lost for year
5-Dontavius Jackson great RB transferred out, leading RB UAB
6-Lonnie Outlaw – failed Qualify 2010, 2nd leading WR Ga Military
7-Walter Hill Wide Receiver – kicked off team or would be Senior 2011
8-Chris Little – # 1 OL in state of Ga, transferred out
9-Ben Harden – OG played 3 games 2010 would be Senior 2011
10-Jonathan Owens – OT Redshirt Junior 2011, medical disqualification
11-Logan Gray-12 games 2010, Senior Transfer Colorado made catch
12-Montez Robinson – would be redshirt sophomore 2011, kicked off
13-Zach Mettenberger – LSU,would be redshirt sophomore 2011, kicked off
14-Deion Bonner that was this year stealing in locker room
15-Chris Mayes – Dream Team 2011 failed Qualify, MS Gulf Coast Nose Tackle played several games, made several tackles 2011, more than ours have here
16-Kent Turene – Dream Team 2011 failed Qualify, top Linebacker # 18, Jireh Prep NC
17-Jalen Fields top DE nation Dream Team 2011, failed to Qualify
18-Jakar Hamilton – Senior Free Safety injured, transferred
19-Nick Williams – could be Senior 2011, transferred North Alabama Strong Safety
20-DE Jeremy Longo, Jr. — Medically disqualified
21-OL Tanner Strickland, Sr. — graduated with eligibility remaining
22-OL Trinton Sturdivant, Sr. — knee injury, career over
23-OL A.J. Harmon, Jr. — Transferred to Alabama State
24-TB Washaun Ealey, Jr. – Transferred to Jacksonville State
25-LB Marcus Dowtin, Jr. — Transferred to North Alabama
26-OL Brent Benedict, RFr. — Transferred to Virginia Tech

01HAWK

September 21st, 2011
8:06 am

Auburn would move to the SEC East Division, clearing room for Missouri and Texas A&M to join the West Division. A majority of presidents has endorsed the informal agreement, the sources told the paper.

pragmatic

September 21st, 2011
8:07 am

OK girls be careful what you wish for cause You might just get it. We can’t win the SEC crown now with 9 teams how do you think we will do with 14 or 16. The truth is we aren’t even making the law of averages in terms of conference championships.

01HAWK

September 21st, 2011
8:09 am

Their will be an OUTRAGE NOW

AUBARN vs. BAMA possibilities for an SEC CHAMPIONSHIP.

Sounds good to me.

01HAWK

September 21st, 2011
8:11 am

Every team is almost guaranteed to have at least one conference loss with so many good teams in the SEC.

Maybe cutting their own throat in getting to a BCS CHAMPIONSHIP for the SEC.

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 21st, 2011
8:25 am

Tom
September 21st, 2011
5:42 am

The SEC made a classic mistake of over-rating itself…getting complacent and smug about its eternal options…and now is wondering “what happened?”

Nothing happened. I’m proud of the Big 10 and the SEC for behaving like adults and refraining from participating in the feeding frenzy. The adolescent conferences out West had all the little baby conferences running around in circles and pulling their hair out as if the sky was falling.

The sky didn’t fall. Enjoy the games this weekend.

Andy in Blairsville

September 21st, 2011
8:28 am

Can you imagine if UGA had to beat UF, USC and FSU every season just to win their division?

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 21st, 2011
8:33 am

I can imagine the Dawgs having to play the Falcons every season, but I’ll probably never see that on television.

Carl Gump

September 21st, 2011
9:31 am

Does the NCAA have any say in all this? Inmates running the asylum?

Eventually, 4 or 6 16 team super-conferences with a play-off will happen. Hopefully, somebody with a map will help decide membership in each conference.

Still@theBAR

September 21st, 2011
9:31 am

Doesn’t BAMA have to move to the East too? I don’t get it. Mizzou and A&M are WEST. What other school is WEST that can go EAST other than BAMA? It also will keep the Bama v Auburn in the DOME a week later.

Still@theBAR

September 21st, 2011
9:35 am

CARL GUMP
who cares what the NCAA has to SAY.
The NCAA acts like the Federal Govt. this is about STATES RIGHTS and telling the Govt to go to hell.

Carl Gump

September 21st, 2011
9:35 am

SEC Dream

Pod 1:

FSU
Miami
South Florida
UF

Pod 2

UGA
GT
Clemson
South Carolina

Pod 3

Tenn
Vandy
Kentucky
Louisville or Notre Dame

Pod 4

Miss St.
Bama
Auburn
Ole Miss

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 21st, 2011
9:43 am

@theBAR

You’re not a mathematician, are you?

This is the second time that you have implied on this blog that two schools will have to move to the East Division to accommodate two new schools in the West.

Is this an example of GIT academic superiority? ;-)

Pago Pago Dawg

September 21st, 2011
9:44 am

Can hardly wait to tailgate up in Columbia..what a sad state of affairs the SEC is heading.
Let’s get UCLA for the left coast tv market.

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 21st, 2011
9:45 am

Carl Gump,

No. The NCAA has no say in conference realignment. Neither do they have a say in the BCS. They have a limited domain of authority.

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 21st, 2011
9:47 am

Pago Pago Dawg,

You might be pleasantly surprised. Still, Mizzou moving to the SEC is little more than rumor at this point. Texas A&M moving is not even a done deal.

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 21st, 2011
9:54 am

The people of Missouri may not understand Southern college football culture, but they do understand Southern hospitality. For the most part, Missourians are very nice folks. They play pretty good football out there too.

Steve

September 21st, 2011
9:58 am

I am turning off the TV and taking down the banners if the SEC expands. The conference has been lucky to have a visionary like Roy Kramer who set the standard for excellence that others try to copy. I fully expect CFB to suffer the same fate as professional wresslin’, as they are adopting the same business model.

doug dawg

September 21st, 2011
11:05 am

i won’t comment after this on this mess or realignment. no use speculating. but, i do have one last thing to say; WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANY CONFERENCE, BIG 10 OR SEC, HAVE ANY INTEREST IN GEORGIA TECH. i mean, basketball school, small football stadium in a dangerous area, no place to tailgate, poor attendance, little student support, no real enthusiasm in atlanta, and uga owns the tv market in atlanta. why, oh why? i think gt’s supposed popularity comes, as it always does, from folks at gt and a few alumni. why, if you were sec or big ten would you even be interested?

Restore UGA

September 21st, 2011
11:16 am

I love FSU, but Miami would be better. I know they have a serious mess with the NCAA right now, so maybe, we get them cheap :-)

Anyway, they have a huge market, plus fans and haters all over the country who would tune in to watch them. I know I am in the hating category and love to see them get beat.

That gets as many or more people to watch a game as having people love you.

SEC_Fan

September 21st, 2011
11:48 am

@Restore UGA

Miami can’t get cheap enough for me to be interested in having them join the SEC. Miami isn’t part of the Southeast. Hell, they’re just barely part of the USA.

Half Century Dawg

September 21st, 2011
11:59 am

No change required in my opinion, SEC already the best hands down.

Top Dawg

September 21st, 2011
2:20 pm

If SEC wanted a specific team bad enough, they have money to help offset costs of a buyout for team leaving its current conference.
I do not want to see any more expansion, so I wish all this talk would fade away……..

Top Dawg

September 21st, 2011
2:22 pm

SEC Fan,…..LOL on Miami (NY south and north Cuba), and Thug U.

War Dang Dawg

September 21st, 2011
3:14 pm

I’d like to see the SEC go hard for Kansas and Iowa State. That way the SEC would have a huge “footprint” in the Plains. Nothing says Dixie like corn, flat land, blizzards, and F5 tornadoes.

Fun blog, Bill

September 21st, 2011
4:28 pm

but you daugs scoff at the a she she but now want to own one…or two…or three? What gives? Perhaps now it’s the s e she.

Smart like a fox

September 21st, 2011
5:00 pm

@ Doug Dog…. “WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANY CONFERENCE, BIG 10 OR SEC, HAVE ANY INTEREST IN GEORGIA TECH.”….number 1) that’s a question and your question should end with one of these..” ? ” I’m guessing buy your all caps remarks that you’re one of the not so bright side walk alum. But here is your answer….Ga Tech is a fine Institute of Higher Education, boasting 4 National Championships. It is a small school ,the student body consists of more than 20,000 graduate and undergraduate students (Fall 2010) and almost 1,000 full-time academic faculty (Fall 2009). The small school does more with less year in year out than most larger schools. Notice that they are ranked most years ,and are currently while other Ga state schools are not. for more info check out this link….and have a great day !! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Tech_Yellow_Jackets_football

Chanticleer

September 21st, 2011
5:39 pm

Any tickets left for the ” Hot Seat Bowl ”
in Mississippi ?

Still@theBAR

September 21st, 2011
5:52 pm

I can’t believe CHIP TOWERS is the one stirring the both QB’s need to play pot. That seems like such a Mark Bradley UGA Hater article. Is Chip trying to divide the Dawg fans even more?

Old Dawg Fan

September 21st, 2011
8:18 pm

I actually think the SEC should expand even more then tell the NCAA to “shove it”.

ishok

September 21st, 2011
11:21 pm

There is no better fit for the SEC than VT.
First, it is a tradtional football power… and football schools shouldn’t be wasting away in basketball conferences.
Second, VT is closer to the likes of Auburn than Duke or UVA.
Third, VT delivers to some degree the DC market and conversely the SEC to DC area football fans.
Fourth, VT is in Virginia. Southern pedigree.
Fifth, VT is one of only two NCAA schools with a Div.1 football program that is a “Senior Military Academy” (not the same as a Military Academy). The other… Texas A&M.
TA&M in the SEC west and VT in the east can you imagine that new rivalry… the cadets marching in all spit polished… the VT cannon…the A&M swords and boots. Of course they would have to waive the east-west rule for these two teams to get together but…
Sixth, if it looks like a turkey, walks like a turkey and gobbles? C’mon VT eminates SEC.

Canedaddy

September 22nd, 2011
7:08 am

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 22nd, 2011
7:28 am

@ishok

The SEC allows each member to choose one cross-division rival to be scheduled every season.

@Canedaddy

That’s nice. [DCH condescendingly pats Canedaddy on head]