Is raiding the ACC still a possibility for the SEC?

SEC LogoI was talking conference expansion yesterday with a Georgia fan who posited that the ACC upping its exit fee to $20 million pretty much kills any chance of the SEC getting Virginia Tech or FSU or Clemson.

Looks like we’ll end up with West Virginia or Missouri, he said, noting that he didn’t view Texas A&M and Missouri/West Virginia as adding much luster to the SEC, though the conference did enter this expansion mess in a stronger position than any other league, in terms of football (which is what’s driving all this change).

A couple of thoughts about all that. First, the only ACC team that’s made any noise at all about studying possible realignment is FSU, and while their president obviously was among those voting unanimously to increase the exit fee, that doesn’t necessarily mean Florida State might not still find it worth its while to pay the $20 million in order to join the SEC. I can’t really see any of the other ACC schools, like Clemson, paying that fee, though.

Whether or not there was a rumored “gentlemen’s agreement” in the past for the SEC not to add teams in states where a conference member already resides — and there’ve been reports there never was any such agreement — FSU would certainly add to the SEC’s TV star power, even if it wouldn’t bring in a new television market. And it would counter the addition of Texas A&M geographically.

But while Missouri might not seem all that sexy a choice from a fan point of view, it would bring the St. Louis and Kansas City TV markets with it, and that would also be pretty attractive to the SEC. Auburn could move over to the SEC East to balance the divisons, thereby also assuring the Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry with Georgia continues to be an every-year affair.

West Virginia? Aside from being competitive on the football field, the SEC adding a program that the ACC didn’t want, and which brings very little in terms of TV reach, would justifiably seem like an also-ran choice.

Really, I think most of the SEC would have preferred to keep the status quo, but that has become impossible in the face of all the other changes going on.

So, best-case scenario, to me, is adding Texas A&M and FSU or Missouri.

Feel free to share your own views on SEC expansion.

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01HAWK

September 20th, 2011
10:35 pm

AUBARN to the EAST and MIZZOU and TX A&M in WEST.

Still an unbalanced division like before. Do not see why AUBARN would go to EAST. Just guessing here.

I see possibly 2 more schools coming possibly.

WEST

BAMA
LSU
ARK
MIZZOU
TX A&M

EAST

FLORIDA
SC
VANDY
KY
UGA
AUBARN
TN

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 20th, 2011
10:35 pm

GTville,

The Big 10 already has 12 teams, so they qualify for a conference championship. Twelve is the only number that really means anything.

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 20th, 2011
10:37 pm

01HAWK,

Are you in some kind of telepathic trance?

Still@theBAR

September 20th, 2011
10:42 pm

BAMA should move to the EAST and they would ROCK with ease.

GTville

September 20th, 2011
10:47 pm

Dewey:

Why does anyone want 16? I thought the idea was to have 4 conferences each sending a champion to a 2 game playoff.

01HAWK

September 20th, 2011
10:47 pm

Did I not say I was guessing……………………READ MY PRIOR POST …………………………….DEWEY and whatever your real name is.

CarolinaStewPie

September 20th, 2011
10:53 pm

So, SEC adds Mizzou and gets to 14 and then waits it out.

How do you spell Auburn again, and is it named after the color or what, exactly?

Still@theBAR

September 20th, 2011
10:59 pm

If the SEC gets sued and A&M can’t come without a hassle then what? Looking again and no Texas Teams are leaving what will the SEC do? I don’t believe any ACC team is leaving.

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 20th, 2011
11:02 pm

GTville,

That’s a cute idea, but it only exists on Internet blogs. The conferences have all been honest in that they’re seeking expansion in order to gain greater television revenue, but none of them have advocated 4 conferences or a playoff system. That’s all just idle chatter. There is no evidence whatsoever to indicate that any of it will actually happen.

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 20th, 2011
11:05 pm

01HAWK, or whatever your real name is, what do you think of TCU moving to the SEC instead of Mizzou? I think they’d be a better overall fit, if another school is going to come from the West.

Michael Greene

September 20th, 2011
11:06 pm

“West Virginia? Aside from being competitive on the football field, the SEC adding a program that the ACC didn’t want, and which brings very little in terms of TV reach, would justifiably seem like an also-ran choice.”

Have you ever watched TV in Pennsylvania? If not, please do not make ignorant comments. WVU gets more air time in the state than anyone except Penn State. Last time I checked, that’s a state with more electoral votes than any state in the SEC, except Florida.

Furthermore, the Mountaineers clearly have a better basketball program than anyone in the conference outside of Florida and Kentucky. Yes, that includes Vanderbilt and potential newcomer Texas A + M.

bugsquacher

September 20th, 2011
11:07 pm

1-GEORGIA is a combined 0-5 against Top 25 teams in 2010 and 2011
2- GEORGIA has lost 10 of its last 12 against ranked teams. (2-10 record)
3- GEORGIA is now 15-14 in his last 29 games
4-GEORGIA is 6-10 in the past 16 SEC games.
5- GEORGIA is 3-5 in their last 8 games going back to last season
6- GEORGIA has won 1 of it last 4. (and it wasnt a powerhouse we beat today)

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 20th, 2011
11:09 pm

@theBAR,

If you are referring to Baylor’s legal action regarding A&M, then the SEC wouldn’t need to do anything. Texas A&M hasn’t yet been officially invited to the SEC. The invitation is specifically contingent upon all legal issues with the Big 12 being resolved first.

The SEC already has 12 schools. They don’t need to add anyone.

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 20th, 2011
11:16 pm

Michael Greene,

There’s nothing wrong with WVU, except that they are practically in Pennsylvania. It’s just a long physical distance from the center of gravity of the SEC.

Still@theBAR

September 20th, 2011
11:19 pm

DEWEY
then if the big12 stay together you think the SEC will not look to get to 14? and stay at 12? I thought the SEC wanted to be driving the Expansion bus.

Brave won but the cards are leading the mets right now. DAMN

just asking

September 20th, 2011
11:20 pm

any chance you could put down that donut and get your lard behind on a tread mill, dye your gray hair, update your glasses …just wondering

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 20th, 2011
11:21 pm

I really don’t believe that either the Big 10 or the SEC really wants to deviate from a geographically defined conference. It’s just not traditional, and tradition is important to both conferences. They are under as much pressure as anyone else to expand their television footprint, but they have more to lose by damaging the integrity of their conferences as they currently exist.

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 20th, 2011
11:22 pm

@theBAR

What would make you think that? Bar room chatter?

Some people don't get irony...

September 20th, 2011
11:28 pm

Dawg Tired

September 20th, 2011
6:43 pm
So ND is a football power? Maybe historically, but not lately. Isn’t 1 & 2 is their current record? What was their record last year? Ok how about the year before? They just aren’t that good.

Just substitute UGA for ND and you have the same result

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 20th, 2011
11:29 pm

The only reason the SEC would need to add another school is to balance the entrance of A&M. If A&M does not come to the SEC, which might well be the case, then there is no need for another addition.

Of course, that doesn’t mean that the SEC would never add two more teams in the future. Any time they add one team, then I would expect them to seek a second team to balance the divisions.

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 20th, 2011
11:32 pm

Some people don’t get irony…,

I’ll be surprised if ND can renew their television contract next time it comes up. Only fans over 50 can remember when they were still relevant in college football.

Delbert D.

September 20th, 2011
11:35 pm

More stuff from that NY Times article. This doesn’t match what I think regarding Rutgers, nor what I have received from boots on the ground in NYC.

Most popular college football teams in the NYC TV market

School – Fans – Mkt share – Population Share
Rutgers – 607,157 – 20.9% – 3.0%
Notre Dame – 266,935 – 9.2% – 1.3%
Penn St. – 186,410 – 6.45% – 0.9%
UConn – 150,150 – 5.2% – 0.7%
Michigan – 144,231 – 5.0% 0.7%
Syracuse – 133,900 – 4.6% – 0.7%
Miami – 77,497 – 2.7% – 0.4%
Army – 75,345 – 2.6% – 0.4%
Ohio St. 64,581 – 2.2% – 0.3%
Boston Coll. 61,042 – 2.1% – 0.3%

Source NYTimes-The Geography of college Football 9/19/2011

Paul in RDU

September 20th, 2011
11:41 pm

Michael Greene

September 20th, 2011
11:06 pm
…Have you ever watched TV in Pennsylvania? If not, please do not make ignorant comments. WVU gets more air time in the state than anyone except Penn State.

That’s like saying Ohio University gets more air time in OH than anyone except OSU. I lived in NE PA for 15 years (til 2001) and I never saw WVU on TV. The order was PSU >> ND > Pitt

Paul in RDU

September 20th, 2011
11:43 pm

Dewey
The SEC and the Big 10 are the only 2 conferences that are not trying to expand just to survive. Neither one needs to do anything.

Still@theBAR

September 20th, 2011
11:43 pm

It seems the Pac12 is staying at 12 so the Big 12 will do what? Texas and Oklahoma will work out their deal and A&M still wants out.

Delbert D.

September 20th, 2011
11:44 pm

DC&H – “I’ll be surprised if ND can renew their television contract next time it comes up. Only fans over 50 can remember when they were still relevant in college football.”

That’s NBC you’re talking about. That network is capable of amazing stuff, like Leno to Conan to Leno. Also, MSNBC. Dregs of the entertainment industry.

There are a lot of fans over 50. It’s getting to be more fashionable to be over 50 and not use hair color products. I can almost remember when I was 50.

st1ng_em

September 20th, 2011
11:45 pm

If SEC doesn’t get any ACC teams and OU OUST TT UT go west, who put SEC to 16 teams? I think WVU is off the table for now.

Paul in RDU

September 20th, 2011
11:46 pm

@Delbert
That NYT article has GT coming in #11 as far as the number of fans are concerned. I am a GT grad but I find that ranking completely ludicrous

Delbert D.

September 20th, 2011
11:50 pm

Is the PAC-12 really staying at 12, or is this just to avoid litigation? I was gone from the blog for 4 hours, and everything is going haywire. No 64 school Major college Football League? Is the NCAA still acting like the Soviet Union? Maybe I’m still in my nap, and this is all a dream.

Paul in RDU

September 20th, 2011
11:52 pm

The article in the Atlantic Monthly is pretty damning concerning the NCAA.

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 20th, 2011
11:52 pm

st1ng_em,

Why does the SEC need 16 teams?

Delbert D.

September 20th, 2011
11:54 pm

Paul – So do I. I tried to follow the interactive map thing and gave up. The server must have been overloaded. Anyway, this is what happens when somebody accumulates a lot of data and then unscientifically tries to obtain meaning from it. Are we certain that the government wasn’t involved? It sure seems to have their signature bumbling behind it.

Paul in RDU

September 20th, 2011
11:55 pm

Paul in RDU

September 20th, 2011
11:56 pm

Naw Delbert – not the government – looks more like something Goldman Saks or S&P would come up with.

Delbert D.

September 20th, 2011
11:57 pm

The Atlantic article was pretty impressive, interviewing Byers, who was responsible for most of the NCAA being what it is today. The guy has regrets in his old age.

Paul in RDU

September 21st, 2011
12:01 am

Big East commissioner announces football schools are committed to staying together.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6998720/commissioner-john-marinatto-says-schools-committed-big-east

In other news: after annexing Sudetenland, Hitler announces he has no more territotial aims in Europe.

Delbert D.

September 21st, 2011
12:01 am

I suppose that means that Texas isn’t going anywhere, then? Baylor and Iowa State still threatening to sue Texas A&M?

Paul in RDU

September 21st, 2011
12:02 am

Delbert – I agree with you on the article in the Atlantic Monthly. It is one of the best pieces of journalism I have read in quite a while. I don’t see how the NCAA can possibly win the O’Bannon case.

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 21st, 2011
12:07 am

Poor poor Texas. All dressed up, and nowhere to go.

Delbert D.

September 21st, 2011
12:07 am

The Big East is pursuing Air force? They are in the MWC. So, in the 4 hours I was away from the computer, TCU is no longer seeking to not join the Big East, I presume. Navy in the Big East? Wow.

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 21st, 2011
12:09 am

What’s left of the Big 12 anyway? If A&M stays, do they have 12 schools?

My head is spinning trying to keep up.

Still@theBAR

September 21st, 2011
12:10 am

Delbert D yes you sound about all caught up……..LOL

Still@theBAR

September 21st, 2011
12:10 am

I has sex with J-Lo too I thought you might like to know.

Delbert D.

September 21st, 2011
12:11 am

I’m trying to Google everything I Googled earlier today to catch up. Help me out here…Penn State, Notre Dame, UConn, anything going on?

Paul in RDU

September 21st, 2011
12:11 am

It’s only 1700 miles from Colorado Springs, CT to NYC – USAFA is a natural fit for the Big East. I am sure they travel through NYC every 2nd year on their way to West Point.

Dewey Cheatham & Howe

September 21st, 2011
12:11 am

The Big East is probably in jeopardy of losing their AQ status with the loss of Pitt and Syracuse. Ironic, since that’s why TCU wanted to go there to begin with.

Paul in RDU

September 21st, 2011
12:12 am

I view any and all rumors concerning Penn State going to the ACC as complete BS, UConn I can see – their Chancellor was notably absent from the Big East loyalty oath meeting.

Delbert D.

September 21st, 2011
12:13 am

Still@theBAR – Aha! I *am* still asleep and this is a dream! J-Lo, kind of chunky for my tastes.

Paul in RDU

September 21st, 2011
12:14 am

Dewey
Good point on TCU and the Big East. I can see them applying to join the Big 12 (-2, 4?) and being welcomed with open arms

Delbert D.

September 21st, 2011
12:16 am

Earlier today I read that the MWC and C-USA were going to merge and try to get AQ status. I suppose that is being reconsidered.