Fan talk: Does Clemson belong in the SEC?
One week to go. Time for some more Junkyard Mail. First up, a couple of readers want to talk SEC expansion. …
Jonathan London writes: I don’t understand why the SEC wants another member to add to the conference. All that will do is decrease each school’s share when we split up revenue. It might increase overall revenue, but I don’t think enough to offset the decreases. We have the greatest league in college football history right now. Why would we want to dilute it by adding another school, especially some inferior, middle of the road program like Texas A&M? Compared to Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee, Auburn and Florida, adding A&M is like adding another Arkansas. FSU isn’t much better.
And Carolina Pup writes: Looks like Texas A&M joining the SEC is pretty much a done deal. But how long can the conference go with an unbalanced 13 teams? So who should be added as the 14th team? Or should the SEC go all the way to being a 16-team mega-league? I know who I’d like to see added: The Clemson Tigers! What do you think?
As I’ve said before, to me it only makes sense for the SEC to expand if it moves into new television markets, which will increase the revenue when the conference undoubtedly opens talks on renegotiating its current TV deal. Texas A&M gets the conference into the Texas TV markets, so I think it’s a win for the SEC. As for making Clemson the 14th team, I disagree. Yes, Clemson would be a good fit in the SEC in terms of football culture and fan support and most years would be competitive, but the SEC already has the South Carolina TV market, so the Tigers don’t bring anything new to the table. If the conference does decide to expand to 16 teams then, yes, I think Clemson should be one of them. But if it only goes to 14, the logical choice to be added to the East to balance A&M joining the West is Virginia Tech, a major program that would bring the Washington, D.C. television market with it. Now, I know that the Hokies’ athletic director has said he would “politely decline” a bid from the SEC, but that’s probably about as firm as a Nick Saban denial. If, however, Virginia Tech does decide to stay in the ACC, picking a 14th team becomes a bit trickier. Although on the surface Missouri might not seem like a good fit for the SEC, I’ve heard a pretty good case made for them in terms of adding the St. Louis TV market. So for the 14th team it looks like Virginia Tech and Missouri are the best options. If the conference adds a 15th and 16th team, Florida State and Clemson would be my preferred picks.
Barry Smith writes: Bill, I thought Boise was supposed to wear blue in the Chick-fil-A Kickoff Game but I see now that their Pro Combat uniforms have been unveiled, and they’re all white. What gives? And which team do you think fared the best in the Nike fashion makeover?
Boise State's helmet for the game against Georgia. (Nike)
The game contract did indeed call for both Georgia and Boise State to wear their home colors, but in today’s college football world Nike gets what Nike wants, so the Broncos will be in what’s been dubbed their “ghost horse” uniform. (By the way, Boise State is asking its fans to wear blue to the game.) While I’m not crazy about Georgia’s jerseys, as I said earlier this week, I don’t mind the all-red look and like it better than Boise’s white on white, a look that I’ve never been fond of, whether it was on Penn State or the Georgia Tech band. But I must say I really like the Pro Combat helmets Nike came up with for Boise with that cool Bronco logo. Meanwhile, if you haven’t yet watched the Nike promotional video for UGA’s Pro Combat look, check it out here.
Myles writes: Hey Bill, so, how many WR/Flanker screens will Bobo call in the opener? Over or under 3? Whatcha got? Semper Fi and GO DAWGS!
I’m betting Bobo calls more than three screens and he’s likely to be dumping it off to the backs quite a bit, too. It makes sense to get the ball to Georgia’s playmakers in open space against the Boise defense.
Speaking of Bobo, Wes Starr writes: When are the Bulldogs, and Richt in particular, going to rid themselves of Bobo as a coach for the offense? The Bulldogs have not had a great quarterback since David Greene when it comes to flat out confusing defenses. Matthew Stafford was talent mixed with an idiot Bobo. If Stafford was under the direct coaching of Richt, there would have been a National Championship. When is Bobo gone?
I’ve had mixed feelings about Bobo the past few seasons. At times, he makes really smart calls, and I disagree with you about Georgia’s quarterbacks. I think Bobo is an excellent quarterbacks coach. But he’s inconsistent and impatient as a playcaller. It drives me crazy when something’s working and he goes away from it in some misguided attempt to keep his offense balanced. But to answer your question, I think Bobo’s fate is linked to that of Richt, his mentor. The only way I see Richt getting rid of Bobo is if Richt is told he needs to make a change in order to keep his job.
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240 comments Add your comment
D A DoubleU G
August 27th, 2011
10:53 am
Would love to get Clemson, Virginia Tech and NC State…. in addition to the obvious Texas AM
D A DoubleU G
August 27th, 2011
10:58 am
One thing i (kind of) disagree with you Bill, is the MUST HAVE new TV market to be considered for the SEC.
While it would be great for the conference revenue, you or I will never see a dime of that. SO what would be wrong with adding some true southern teams like Clemson and NC State, and keeping the SOUTHeastern Conference in the South.
The last thing I want to see is the culture of the SEC transition into western mindsets and all of a sudden have the SEC Championship game in Dallas.
RedGADawg
August 27th, 2011
10:58 am
Rather not expand, if we must then Texas A&M and Oklahoma, move Auburn to East, A&M is the Houston market and OK brings Dallas to the table. Why would USC or FL want their main rival in the SEC to share in state recruits? WVU, VA Tech will not help with TV nearly as much as the rabid college football fans in Texas, great talent in state for all SEC to recruit.
Beast from the East
August 27th, 2011
11:04 am
I read an article somewhere on-line that the Dallas market already watches as much SEC football as they do the Big 12. One of the Texas schools did some research on it.
Dawg Fan
August 27th, 2011
11:07 am
Just say no to the U of Clem.
And on another note: Drop gt from the Dawgs schedule. Ridding our schedule of the bugs can lead to more interesting match ups for the Dawgs. And would have the side benefit of speeding up the demise of the nerds and their pathetic football program.
Uh-oh. Is cpj going to punch me in the nose?
Delbert D.
August 27th, 2011
11:07 am
You want the Washington, D.C. market, invite Maryland. They are located inside the beltway. VaTech is almost in West Virginia.
T-Dawg
August 27th, 2011
11:07 am
Clempson in the SEC? Not until a tornado goes through there and does some improvements. Used to be a nice rivalry, though.
Beast from the East
August 27th, 2011
11:09 am
“Orsini said the school did a study of the TV ratings in the Dallas-Fort Worth market the past two football seasons and discovered the average ratings for Big 12 and SEC games were at best a draw, despite the SEC having no team in Texas, much less the Metroplex. That’s why he believes SMU could help put more eyes on the Big 12 in this area.”
It was SMU’s AD that made the statement while arguing his case for inclusion in a BCS conference. Here’s the link:http://espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/story/_/id/6895752/smu-mustangs-go-public-interest-joining-big-12
Beast from the East
August 27th, 2011
11:10 am
http://espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/story/_/id/6895752/smu-mustangs-go-public-interest-joining-big-12
Delbert D.
August 27th, 2011
11:11 am
In Pete Thamel’s column for nytimes yesterday, he said that the Big 12 is looking at replacements for A&M. Arkansas is #2 on their wish list behind Notre Dame (good luck with that one.)
C White
August 27th, 2011
11:12 am
Many states have there rivals in the same conference (exp.: Bama/Auburn, Ole Miss/Miss State, Texas/Texas a&m).
Beast from the East
August 27th, 2011
11:15 am
Delbert,
I don’t think they hav a prayer of pulling Arkansas, do you? Their best best would be to add SMU, Rice and TCU. It would be like the old SWC.
Bob
August 27th, 2011
11:20 am
Virginia Tech is not coming. That is flat out not going to change. UVA and the state of Virginia bled like hell to get the Hokies forced into the ACC. They are not about to let them go and UVA would want nothing to do with the SEC’s perceived academic failings.
WVU might be an option, but I am thinking it would be Mizzou. Not necessarily a sexy choice, but they add a ton of TV sets in St. Louis and Kansas City. They have a pretty fair football program and would be in the upper half in basketball. But the biggest deal is that they have no other state school so they do not have to worry about dragging someone else with them. That probably would mean moving Auburn to the East. If the SEC goes to 14, I fully expect them to go to 9 conference games and Auburn would pick up Bama as their traditional rival. Bama would lose Tennessee but that could be solved if the conference went back to the old, two permanent cross division rivals. Nothing is pretty about it, but Mizzou is the easiest addition that still adds pretty fair quality and a load of TV sets.
Delbert D.
August 27th, 2011
11:22 am
Beast – I don’t know; I remember the Texas-Arkansas being a big rivalry. It may depend on what is left of the 10-member Big 12. The PAC-12 commissioner has been way out in front of the expansion 2011 talk, and they are targeting Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. to get to 14. I no nothing about how Jerry Jones and Arkansas currently feel about the SEC. The big 12 losing Oklahoma, State, and possibly Missouri to the SEC or event the Big Ten would really diminish that conference.
Bob
August 27th, 2011
11:22 am
One other possibility if Mizzou is the pick would be to move both Bama and Auburn to the east and move Vandy to the West. Again, all of this is pure speculation.
That Place Is The Beat of My Heart!
August 27th, 2011
11:24 am
If folks in Dallas watch SEC football now without a Texas team, just think what they’ll do once Texas A&M is in the fold.
One thing about Texas, whatever’s in Texas is bigger and better than whatever’s someplace else!
The SEC will also see a huge jump in SEC viewership in Houston as well.
Texas A&M in the SEC will mean much bigger viewership numbers in two Top-10 TV markets, the kinds of TV markets advertisers pay premiums to reach and of which the SEC currently has a paucity.
animaldr
August 27th, 2011
11:24 am
Expansion seems to be a done deal- Tex A&M is good, Ok or OSU or Missouri are all good options for the west. VaTech is the obvious 1st school in the east. What about a NC school- UNC or NC State? Does not crunch Football, adds basketball talent/tradition and adds markets.
Bob
August 27th, 2011
11:27 am
Animal, I don’t think Carolina would ever separate from Duke. And they really care much more about basketball than football anyway. I doubt any of the Tobacco Road 4 would really want to leave. In my mind, East Carolina might actually be more likely and generally, their football has been better than those other 4 anyway.
bulldog born & bred
August 27th, 2011
11:32 am
what makes perfect sense is add clemson fla state &ga tech so each sec team has an instate rivalry in their conference aub-ala ga-gt fa-fla st south carolina-clemson ole miss-miss st tenn-vandy im just saying
Beast from the East
August 27th, 2011
11:34 am
Delbert,
I can’t see Arkansas leaving a SOLID SEC with equal revenue sharing to get back in bed with Texas and always being treated like a second-class citizen. Unless UT gets off of their high horse, then no one that is currently in an AQ conference will join them, in my opinion. That’s why I think their best route is locking down as much of the state as they can with Rice, TCU and SMU.
I also think that the SEC should make a run at Missouri if they are going to add A&M.
indianman
August 27th, 2011
11:34 am
they to scared to join the sec
animaldr
August 27th, 2011
11:34 am
I wonder if the NCAA troubles at UNC may open the door a bit. ACC basketball is slipping. Big East is climbing as is the SEC. NC State always gets over looked in the triad, could they be interested. East Carolina seems week- which is the knock on this expansion thing anyway.
Beast from the East
August 27th, 2011
11:36 am
animaldr,
I agree it would be great to get UNC and Duke/NC State, but it will never happen. UNC and Duke basically run the ACC.
Advocati
August 27th, 2011
11:38 am
Missouri in the SEC? Bill, you’re either kidding or delirious with excitement over the approaching season. Missouri is not even in the South! Given the conference history and culture, you might as well add Notre Dame if you’re going to add Missou.
Va Tech and Texas A&M make sense. WVU would be a viable alternative to VaTech. It certainly is better than Missouri. At least WVU has a school and fan culture similar to that of the SEC schools.
Beast from the East
August 27th, 2011
11:39 am
“But I must say I really like the Pro Combat helmets Nike came up with for Boise with that cool Bronco logo.”
Bill,
I’m with you on that. Those are some sharp looking helmets.
Bob
August 27th, 2011
11:44 am
Advocati,
VT does make sense. But it simply is not going to happen. Virginia politics will put a stop to that.
And if ND expressed an interest, you don’t think the SEC would grab them in a heartbeat? Of course they were, even if they were in Nome, Alaska. But ND will not do that.
Mizzou is out of the southeast. But if you haven’t noticed, so is Texas A&M and frankly Arkansas is borderline at best. Fayetteville is closer to Columbia than it is to either Baton Rouge or Oxford. The enemy of good is perfection. You ain’t getting perfect in expansion. You have to take the best available and Va Tech ain’t available.
Mike
August 27th, 2011
11:44 am
If we were to expand to 16, why not think about adding four to the west and move Auburn and Alabama to the east. That way, it can a full out raid of the former Big 12. Take the best 4 that will come. Maybe OU, OSU, A&M and Missou or even Texas if that became a possibility.
Bob
August 27th, 2011
11:48 am
Mike, I think that is what will eventually happen. Texas won’t come, but those other 4 seem far more likely than anything else. And if we are in a race with the Big Ten and PAC 12 to expand, then you aren’t going to do better than that quartet.
I am perfectly happy with the status quo, but we can’t standstill if Delaney makes a move.
animaldr
August 27th, 2011
11:52 am
What I don’t understand is why the SEC has not called for our opinions. So UGA went to the Dome and practiced in the Nike Combat Uniforms. Wow is that an advantage that Boise does not have or do they go in next week?
All Burn is not coming east
August 27th, 2011
11:52 am
Auburn won’t come east unless forced, I don’t think. That would split the state of Alabama and in order for them to play ‘Bama annually, they would be their ‘natural rival’, much as Auburn is UGA’s now. ‘Bama’s natural rival now is Tennessee, and the SEC won’t want to give that up, I don’t think. I look for the SEC to add one to each side, or maybe two to each side. Carolina doesn’t want Clemson in the conference, according to some, but I can’t see why. I’d love for the Yaller Jackets to be in conference, that way when we whip ‘em every year, it’d be a twofer..bragging rights AND a conference win. I would imagine that Carolina would feel the same way.
I say add Clemson and A&M. If you want two per side, add A&M and Oklahoma along with Clemson and some other ACC team not named Boston College.
Florida State? Miami…oh, sorry, they’re dying soon.
IMO, fourteen teams is more than plenty. Truth told, I’d rather add Clemson and Oklahoma than A&M
Delbert D.
August 27th, 2011
11:56 am
Missouri borders 3 states in the SEC. Their actions in the Civil War should satisfy most of the southern extreme redneck contingent. Quantrill’s Raiders invaded Kansas and destroyed the Union Army’s outpost in Lawrence. Missouri is further south than West Virginia
jrmdvm1
August 27th, 2011
12:03 pm
Advocati — a bit of history that shows that Missouri was once part of the South, even though it was north of the 36 30 line.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Compromise
7mmDawg
August 27th, 2011
12:08 pm
To add to Delbert’s logic, West Virginia was declared a state during the War of Northern Aggression in 1863, splitting from the Old Dominion State, Virginia, home of one R. E. Lee.
7mmDawg
August 27th, 2011
12:10 pm
However, adding WVU might help stimulate the economy, particularly in North Carolina, as the demand for replacement couches could skyrocket, if they were to win that is……
CarolinaMan
August 27th, 2011
12:13 pm
Clumpson in the SEC???? Are you kidding? They’re great for ACC strength football but would be an anchor for the SEC. A dump of a high school-like stadium, their biggest tradition is a team running down a hill to slap a rock, and not even a town to call home, a crossroad near Anderson, SC. Puuuulease put this silly question away.
Delbert D.
August 27th, 2011
12:14 pm
From the best information I’ve been able to put together…
Remain in Big 12:
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
Kansas
Kansas St.
Iowa St.
Teams likely to leave:
*texas A&M (to SEC)
*Oklahoma (to PAC-12) (reports associated with PAC-12 commissioner)
*Oklahoma St (to PAC-12) ”
*Missouri (possibly SEC)
Schools on the Big 12 initial short list: (nytimes)
#1 Notre Dame
#2 Arkansas
#3 BYU
Teams that might join:
SMU – Aggressively pursuing Big 12 membership
Speculation:
Houston – ?
Not likely to join Big 12:
TCU – Joins the Big East in 2012, an AQ conference
just a fan
August 27th, 2011
12:16 pm
Why is West Virginia never mentioned as a possible 14th team?
JDawg1785
August 27th, 2011
12:17 pm
Clemson would be the best addition to the East. They already have a long-standing rivalry with USCe plus a history of bad blood with Georgia and Auburn.
I agree with you, Bill, on that Boise helmet. It’s pretty sharp.
7mmDawg
August 27th, 2011
12:18 pm
WV’s television draw is not very sexy if I had to venture. Keep this thought in mind while this storm is winding up, It’s all about the money! It always is, even when it isn’t, it is!
Minnesota Dawg
August 27th, 2011
12:22 pm
It no longer is the Southeast Conference when you move outside the SOUTHEAST. We don’t need College Sports to become like the Pros. Let’s keep in our regions. I know the all mighty dollar will prevent this, but that’s my opinion.
Top Dawg
August 27th, 2011
12:23 pm
Nike uniforms are still horrible….expansion with a&m is BORING.
Why not add GA Tech to the East? We play them anyway and wouldn’t that free up a date for another better non-conference game?!
realitycheck
August 27th, 2011
12:25 pm
Delbert………factual and informative post!
Fred
August 27th, 2011
12:29 pm
No way Virginia Tech moves to the SEC. They are a medium sized fish in a bathtub sized pond in the ACC. In the SEC they would be perennial Cellar Dwellers. All their undeserved top 25 rankings would be exposed if they were beaten week in and week out by an SEC schedule.
Delbert D.
August 27th, 2011
12:32 pm
One more thing. Boise St. is the 2011 PAC-10 wrestling champion. Among BCS football schools, San Diego St. also is also an affiliate member of the PAC-12 for wrestling.
ToccoaDawg
August 27th, 2011
12:35 pm
Bill if you’re afraid of Clemson just say so. I for one as a bulldawg fan would welcome the old rivalry with Clemson back. It was and always will be a better rivalry than USCe.
Paul in NH (formerly RDU)
August 27th, 2011
12:37 pm
There are 3 ACC teams that would jump to the SEC in a heartbeat if they were invited – Clemson, FSU and GT. Plenty of posters, including Bill, have given the reasons why they won’t be invited. None of the Big 4 in NC are going anywhere and VT would have to deal with Virginia politics to move. We’ll just have to wait and see what happens if A&M joins the SEC.
The Only Horses I like Are Under My Hood
August 27th, 2011
12:45 pm
I really would like the see the SEC stay at 12 teams, but if we did expand, I would like to see FSU or Va Tech along with Texas A&M (since they seem to be an almost lock to join soon). I would love to see UGA start each season with Clemson though; they are a solid opponent, but historically they are an almost solid win as well. Also South Carolina would fight like crazy to keep Clemson out because playing at the SEC level is a big way South Carolina lures recruits away from Clemson.
That said, I’m sure UGA, Alabama, and UF would not want FSU in the SEC for the same reason South Carolina would not want Clemson in the SEC, but not the extent that South Carolina would not want Clemson in the SEC because UGA, Alabama, and UF can actually lure recruits away from other schools for many other reasons than just “we play in the SEC” (South Carolina not so much). That makes Va Tech a perfect option, no other in state SEC team. This would give the SEC the Virginia and D.C. market which is a pretty big stinkin’ market. Missouri would give the SEC a new market as well, but I would rather see match ups like UGA @ Va Tech or Auburn @ Va Tech, than match ups against Missouri.
GO DAWGS!
Top Dawg
August 27th, 2011
12:45 pm
I STILL don’t think of Arkansas and S. Carolina as SEC teams. Now I have to be force-fed A&M and possibly VaTech? Sorry, but I don’t want ghetto crackheads that VaTech produces. Sicko Vick and MEAngelo Hall amongst others.
Paul in NH (formerly RDU)
August 27th, 2011
12:45 pm
Delbert,
I was shocked when I read that ND was the Big XII’s top target according to the NY Times until I checked out the article and discovered it was written by Pete Thamel
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/26/sports/ncaafootball/texas-am-begins-process-moving-to-sec.html
How this hack has the same job as George Vecsey, Ira Berkow or the late Red Smith is beyond me.
Brucerugby79
August 27th, 2011
12:47 pm
Bill King -energy vampire
4vatech
August 27th, 2011
12:50 pm
The SEC would be better served grabbing another team that contends for their conference yearly. Clemson, A&M, Florida State, Miami, what have they done in the past 10 years, nothing. VT has been a party to 2 different conferences and just about owned them both. They would find a way to get into the top 20% of the SEC in a relatively short period of time. The last 10 years proves it.
Top Dawg
August 27th, 2011
12:50 pm
Va tech=ghetto trash on the field, the miami north.
TJ
August 27th, 2011
12:51 pm
Clemson won’t join the SEC. South Carolina will never allow it, the same way that Georgia won’t allow Tech to join, and Florida won’t let FSU join.
poof!!!
August 27th, 2011
12:52 pm
You don’t like white on white unis? What’s wrong with you. That’s the best combination of all time. All white unis lets the opponent know that it is all about the game and not the unis. I love Penn St. unis. They scream “we came to play”.
Top Dawg
August 27th, 2011
12:55 pm
They scream all right….every time they look at an opponent.
4vatech
August 27th, 2011
12:56 pm
All those great Georgia football players equal about the same, nothing for a long, long, time!!! Ballyhooed Bulldogs Bust again! Just kidding hope Georgia can at least win the East and keep Richt his job. He’s a good man.
shane#1
August 27th, 2011
12:57 pm
VT is option#1, USCe, and Florida have both stated that they do not want another SEC team in their state. SOS and company would block Clemson. If not VT, then look closely at UNC or NCState. Either will give the SEC access to the Middle Atlantic states and the high tech triangle. I know UNC is on probation as far as football is concerned, but I hear their b-ball teams are pretty good.
UGAer
August 27th, 2011
12:59 pm
Can’t wait so see the dawgs lose to Boise and then SC. 0-2 start for the perennial NC in 2011. Looking forward to the annual whupping they get from Florida (does not matter who coaches Florida)and then all the “Dawg Nation” start talking about how somebody stole the game from them. Poorly coached, poorly recruited rabble of a program. A degree from UGA and $1 will get you a cup of coffee. GO UCF!!!!
4vatech
August 27th, 2011
12:59 pm
Top Dog go easy on Penn St they’ve got a 16 – 16 record all time against the SEC and 1 – 0 against Georgia (for the National Championship), I know that still hurts a Georgia fan.
CLEMSONDUDE
August 27th, 2011
1:00 pm
Sure why not….Clemson would be a good fit in the SEC. A good overall sport program and closing in on a Top 20 Public University status. Clemson has great sports facilites. Death Valley is one of the top football venues in the country. An 83,000 seat stadium with room to expand to the upper 80,000 seats. TV market would be fair. The Greenville-Spartanburg- Asheville is not a bad market. You may could even add the Charlotte TV market as well. So why not Clemson.
Paul in NH (formerly RDU)
August 27th, 2011
1:00 pm
UNC football is not on probation – yet.
dawginduluth
August 27th, 2011
1:01 pm
Cool. Richt AND Bobo get the boot together! What are we waiting for?
Delbert D.
August 27th, 2011
1:01 pm
Paul – I’ll have to look this up again, but one of the other national journalists really slammed Pete Thamel for his reporting by drawing his own conclusions when the facts didn’t support his position.
Top Dawg
August 27th, 2011
1:02 pm
Put GA Tech in….GA plays them anyway….can then add a new non-conference opponent to schedule!
Rick
August 27th, 2011
1:03 pm
Don’t need Clemson in the SEC, but it would be better than adding Missouri. Moving Alabama to the east would be the death knell for UGA.
Top Dawg
August 27th, 2011
1:05 pm
Clemson belonged 30 years ago….not since
Top Dawg
August 27th, 2011
1:07 pm
Rick, Look at schools geography, bubba. Auburn is more east than Alabama.
Those Bamards think they ended on a high note last year…amazing
Hey Now.....
August 27th, 2011
1:10 pm
I’m gonna go get involved with the national guard girl———->
Alphare
August 27th, 2011
1:10 pm
I think SEC should expand to 15 teams with 3 divisions. 3 division champions plus a wild card team battle for conference champion.
The 3 new teams I’d like to have: Tech, A&M, VT.
gvltiger94
August 27th, 2011
1:13 pm
@Carolina man. Figured there would be at least one clown coot on the board. Dump, take a look in the mirror. That pit of a stadium known at Billy Brice is a joke by most standards. I bet you are one of the many rednecks that crow like a chicken, attractive. You should know enough about being an anchor, you’ve been the tail end in the East since you came aboard. Oh, and don’t worry, you’ll be back to your prime backseat soon enough. It’ll be a pleasure to watch your bozo coach, qb and team fall flat.
Bobby
August 27th, 2011
1:18 pm
Have to agree with you about the GT band all white uniforms; I think their former uniforms looked much better. However, someone paid for the band uniforms so unless another alumnus is going to come forward the GT band will remain in all white. It really looks bad when they sit down on dirty bleachers and then stand up. Looks like they crapped in their pants.
Preston
August 27th, 2011
1:18 pm
I keep reading posts that ask things like “Why would USC or FL want their main rival in the SEC to share in state recruits?”. My question to that is: Why not? They recruit against each other for home grown talent anyway AND they play head to head EVERY year anyway. So what the hell is the big deal if they’re in the same conference or not? USC will play Clemson and UF will play FSU EVERY single year. Now I do understand why the SEC does need to look into new TV markets for expansion but the aforementioned question is illogical in nature.
Still@theBAR
August 27th, 2011
1:20 pm
The ACC should make the SEC happy. The SEC should take Texas A&M to make 13 and the ACC should take VANDERBILT to keep the SEC at 12. The ACC will be 13 and ask East Carolina or UCF to goin. The SEC should be happy with that.
Preston
August 27th, 2011
1:22 pm
Alphare, GT was a member of the SEC and they chose to leave because they got too big for their britches and decided to be like ND. Now they can suffer in a weak ass conference that doesn’t make nearly as much money and watch it lose it’s premier members (VT, Miami, FSU) to other conferences. The SEC should NEVER allow GT back in. Sucks for them but that’s what they get.
Inlet Dawg
August 27th, 2011
1:24 pm
Would love to add Clem’s son to the SEC and give them or anybody that would take him BOBO.
Preston
August 27th, 2011
1:26 pm
Besides, why would the SEC want GT anyway? They rarely fill up that high school stadium they call home. LMAO! When they do it’s UGA fans coming to Atlanta to watch the Dawgs kick their butts!
shane#1
August 27th, 2011
1:31 pm
Paul, my bad, you are right. I forgot that the NCAA has only been nosing around the UNC program for about a year now. I can’t wait to see what they do to Miami, if I live long enough. I would love to have the Tarheels in the SEC! Good academics, big tv market, and I could watch the freakin’ Duke-UNC b-ball games! Mediacom has decided that this is SEC country[GO DAWGS], so they black out UNC-Duke and show either the Big 10[12?] or ESPNU. They also black out the Braves a lot, a pox on Mediacom!
Saban
August 27th, 2011
1:32 pm
Just put the dawgs in the same conference as Central Florida. Maybe 4 wins a year.
boise state 66 dawgs 3
Alphare
August 27th, 2011
1:35 pm
Preston,
GT is my hometown team and I root for them. GT holds more SEC titles than UGA although they left 50 years ago.
Once GT is in SEC, they will have better recruits and will man-handle UGA again. Well, maybe that’s why you don’t want them.
Tom
August 27th, 2011
1:51 pm
I would drop Vandy and Kentucky. Pick up Clemson and Florida State in the SEC east. Texas A&M should stay in the Big 12.
Remarkable
August 27th, 2011
1:51 pm
Clemson does NOT belong in the SEC. Not now and not ever. They don’t bring anything to the table. No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No,No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No,No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No,……………………………
ca dawg
August 27th, 2011
1:52 pm
i’d like our helmets if they had narrowed the red stripe and not extended it to the facemask. GATA.
sogadog
August 27th, 2011
1:53 pm
Its an arms race. The SEC will expand to stay ahead of the other conferences and Texas AM and Va Tech make sense from a $ standpoint.
I would prefer the status quo, but other conferences may outgrow the SEC if we dont expand.
I thought the ACC would surpass the SEC when FSU and Miami joined but I was wrong. In fact, the ACC has declined since it expanded in terms of revenue, attendance at its championship game, and on the field competitiveness. (ie no ACC team has played for the National Championship since 2000 season when FSU lost to Ok. Could the same happen if the SEC expands?
I would love to see what the AD at Va. Tech does when the SEC sends over a lucrative offer. Money talks and BS walks.
I like Bobo, he is a loyal Dawg and a good QB coach, but I hate to admit the offensive coordinator position is over his head and the game is too fast for his play calling abilities. Also, a lot of offensive talent has failed to develop under his leadership and I think Coach Richt should hire a new OC. How about Ralph Friedgen? I hope Coach Bobo proves me wrong.
dawgfan
August 27th, 2011
1:53 pm
I think the only kind of SEC expansion that would make any sense at all, and even this is a stretch, is to add someone like VT or WVU to the East and A&M or Mizzou to the West. Bringing in Clemson or Florida State wouldn’t accomplish much. The SEC already rules those areas.
Slaw Dawg
August 27th, 2011
1:55 pm
With all due respect, Bill, I think it’s a shame that the primary consideration given on a fan site for including a conference member is TV revenue. Where’s the respect for good rivalries, tradition, convenience for fans (e.g. Travel) and what’s good for the local community? Why should TCU fans have to travel to Hartford or Syracuse to see their team play and why should Nebraska fans have only one conference rival within decent driving distance of their Alma mater? If the conference must expand–and I for one don’t see why it must–can fans be something more than a grubby afterthought?
dolla dolla bill
August 27th, 2011
1:56 pm
listen up necks…..TAMU would immediately be an upgrade for the SEC…opens up Texas, more eyeballs, more money…and drop this dumb a– argument that we are a southeast region conference only!! those days are over…I say no to Clemson, no to FSU, yes to VaTech for the mid-atlantic viewers, yes to WVirginia, which would get you Pittsburgh and the western PA/eastern Ohio fertile recruiting area. I’d also try to convince uga to move to the ACC, since their brand of catch me-kiss me football is a better fit over there.
War Dang Dawg
August 27th, 2011
1:58 pm
Mark Richt = energy vampire
Ellijay dawgcatcher
August 27th, 2011
1:59 pm
please bring Damon Evans back. We should be playing big boy teams, not Coastal Carolina and NMSt.
War Dang Dawg
August 27th, 2011
2:00 pm
When did Bobo become head coach? I thought Mark Richt called the shots and the buck stopped with him. Apparently not.
doug dawg
August 27th, 2011
2:01 pm
oh, PLEASE, not GT in the SEC. they left out of pure selfishness years ago; their ‘fans,’ what few of them there are, only trash uga and the sec. they think they are ’superior’ to any sec school, maybe even including vandy, which has ALWAYS been a loyal sec member. the ‘institute’ as they call it is just too damned ‘good’ for us sec folks, even though any number of sec schools, including uga, fla, vandy rank above them on every measure of academic capability. they have a small stadium, never filled except by dawg fans once every other year. that is their ‘cash cow.’ they play teams in the acc and w.carolina, app. state, mid tenn, and on and on — how about elon, or, well, just look at their pitiful schedule. they are a third-tier program. i’d much, much rather see east carolina pirates — the pirates are scared of no one, have beaten a lot of good teams, and are always exciting to watch. i’d go for, realistically, txam, wva, flstate, ecarolina. btw, greenville, nc, home of ecarolina is a great town with a fine university and super fans.
moleman
August 27th, 2011
2:07 pm
the University of Georgia..the Dale Jr. of the SEC!!!!!
RxDawg
August 27th, 2011
2:13 pm
“UGA hasn’t had a great QB since David Greene”
Huh? That’s ingnorance at it’s finest right there. Shockley (who won an SEC title by the way) and Stafford (who finished the #2 team in the land by the way) were fantastic QB’s. Then you have Murray who shattered every freshmen QB performance stat across the board. While it’s yet to be seen if he will be considered “great”, I’d say he’s certainly on the right track.
About the only time we didn’t have a “great” QB was with Joe Cox. But even his passing numbers were very respectable. He looked all American against Arkansas that year.
Good grief, we’ve got some fans that just don’t get the big picture.
USC GAMEC0CK
August 27th, 2011
2:16 pm
For SEC expansion
1 Texas A&M makes sense so they get a yes vote
2. Va Tech too so yes vote
3 Missouri should come if no Va Tech so yes vote to Missouri
4. Maryland is also an okay choice so yes vote if no Va Tech
5. OSU or OU both would get a yes vote but the SEC must get no bigger than 14 teams.
6. Get unc or nc state to come is a BIG yes vote if one came…take them and A&M only this would actually be 1st choice
No to Clempson a HUGE HECK NO
No to GT
No to fsu a BIG NO
No to Miami they are a big nothing
Renegotiate TV contracts to get each school 30 million a season in TV money right now with an inflation factor to increase the money each year but eventually maybe start an SEC network and get 50 million to each school each year….dont laugh could happen the dollar is worth less and less so that number would be fair
The prime conferences in the USA would be SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12
btw, texas ends up an independent and USC takes the SEC
RedandBlackDAWG
August 27th, 2011
2:17 pm
If Clemson joined, it would probably benefit more in recruiting, than the SEC would benefit with any increased revenue. That said, it makes more sense to have Clemson than it would to have a Georgia Tech. Tech. doesn’t offer anything that the SEC needs or wants. It is a no gainer for Tech. as well, since it probably would affect their recruiting and it would not appreciably increase the SEC revenue.
GO DAWGS and GATA
U of DB(GA)
August 27th, 2011
2:18 pm
GT = astronauts, UGA = fry guys…nuff said
USC GAMEC0CK
August 27th, 2011
2:22 pm
Oh i forgot….HECK NO TO West VA…they are a poor school and the SEC doesnt need any more mississippi level schools besides wvu would add nothing to the SEC…absolutely nothing
Dexter Jenkins
August 27th, 2011
2:26 pm
I like how some people on here act like if the SEC wants a school, they can get them. Va Tech will not leave UVA. NC St will not leave UNC or Duke (and why would the SEC want NC St, it would be another Ole Miss). I’m a Mountaineer. I’d rather we stay in the Big East unless it looks like the conference is going to fold, which I doubt considering it is better than ACC basketball now. WVU would probably go to the ACC if they expanded, because once again it looks like the Big East is going to get raided.
USC GAMEC0CK
August 27th, 2011
2:28 pm
who is going to raid the Big East??
moleman
August 27th, 2011
2:32 pm
why do you dogtards suggest kicking Vandy out of the sec??? something for you losers to chew on – vandy has beaten uga more times than uga has beaten florida in the last 21 years. maybe uga outta be the one kicked out!!
RxDawg
August 27th, 2011
2:34 pm
My biggest vote for expansion besides aTm, is North Carolina.
Dexter Jenkins
August 27th, 2011
2:43 pm
UNC is not an option…
I think the Big East will get raided as conferences try to expand….UConn, USF, WVU, Cincy, Rutgers…
moleman
August 27th, 2011
2:44 pm
forgot adding SoCar has been a $$$ bonanza for the sec. WVU has a football tradition; USCe, not so much.
Flat Tire on I-95 in Jacksonville
August 27th, 2011
2:46 pm
VT no
I remember when VT couldnt hardly beat Virginia
VT is still 1-19 against top 10 teams
If Clemson gets a coach they will be back. VT has been lucky that FSU has been down
Old Tech & Mountaineer fan in NC
August 27th, 2011
2:48 pm
If you SEC boys want a North Carolina team, Appalachian State University has just decided they want to be in a new division. But I guess several of the sec would be scared to schedule them. You would like Boone though.
I got a headache.....
August 27th, 2011
2:50 pm
no more expansion….
One Brandon is hurt….
and when is Ken Malcolme ever gonna get healthy? His recruiting shine is fading quickly…behind former walk-on in RB depth chart….
John Jenkins a bust? Or a non-practice kinda guy?
USC GAMEC0CK
August 27th, 2011
2:53 pm
If you go check the dollar distribution the SEC has doled out to its member schools…the money got big after it added USC not before so yes…adding USC was a $$$ bonaza for the SEC and the stats prove it.
moleman
August 27th, 2011
3:01 pm
arkansas had nothing to do with that? college football has blown up in the last decade or so. the sec $$$ would have grown whether it added USCe or not. you were just lucky to be in front of an empty chair when the music stopped.
USC GAMEC0CK
August 27th, 2011
3:05 pm
You can call it luck or what ever you want….fact is the SEC $$$ went way up after USC joined….Is USC happy they were in front of the empty chair when the music stopped??? HECK YEAH!! USC to the SEC was best move USC ever made…you will get no argument from any USC folks.
so moleman….tell us something we dont already know
USC GAMEC0CK
August 27th, 2011
3:08 pm
wvu will never ever be invited to join the SEC…absolutely never no matter how many times you beg for it to happen on a blog….and thats for real dude
moleman
August 27th, 2011
3:13 pm
not looking for an arguement; we are in agreement that you are lucky to be a sec member…just beat georgia again and not bring shame to the conference with another pathetic bowl performance like last years chic fil a disaster..or the year before in birmingham…
Cowboy
August 27th, 2011
3:19 pm
The SEC is as full of itself as Texas is.. If the SEC is so tough, why don’t they get rid of Vanderbilt? Georgia hasn’t been a power house in years and is living in the past. The world is moving to 4 16 team conferences so it would be better for the SEC to act now and not take the leftovers.
Cowboy is a moron
August 27th, 2011
3:32 pm
So a confernce that has 4 different teams winning a national championship in 5 years is full of itself?!
Wow, I wonder what is credible in your delusional mind…Vandy is the bottom dweller in football only…But EVERY conference has their bottom dwellers.
And UGA finished season # 2 in nation four years ago…..is that really so long ago?
Football is cyclical and the SEC recycles better than any other.
Most all other conferences typically just have 1 or 2 teams that rule their conference year after year.
Cowboy, go hate elsewhere, your an idiot.
jim
August 27th, 2011
3:35 pm
add West Va to new SEC East if you need another team
Titus
August 27th, 2011
3:35 pm
You SEC dolts are so delusional, so foolishly self assured…yet with so little awareness. The mere hint that the Va and NC schools would want to be affiliated with some of the dregs of the $EC is laughable. You fools talk about TV money yet the ACC schools have endowments that could buy out some of your more “progressive” insitutions (look at ten times over. There’s a bigger, more “institutional” picture here folks…wake the $#%^ up.
Ellijay dawgcatcher
August 27th, 2011
3:44 pm
you forgot to close your parentheses titus…maybe one of those acc endowments would loan you the money to buy the missing symbol..
octavian
August 27th, 2011
4:01 pm
I agree that if a 13th team is added to the SEC, it should be TX A&M, and if the conference decides on a 14th team, then NC State might be a great choice.
Of course, UNC would have to approve the move, as its difficult to imagine the Wolfpack doing anything without the approval of the Tar Heels; but adding NS State would give the SEC a wedge into the NC market, which is huge.
If the SEC decides on a 15th and 16th team, then OK could be added as well as FSU or (as a last resort) Clemson.
Whopper Dawg
August 27th, 2011
4:03 pm
We will never consistently run the ball with blowbo as OC.
Josh
August 27th, 2011
4:08 pm
In Myles’ comment he asked the question “Whatcha got”. This is apparently an attempt at what many people claim Larry Munson used to ask Loren Smith for his sideline reports. However if I remember correctly Larry didn’t say “Whatcha got…” but rather he said “Whadoyougot” forming four words into one. I see this all the time and this is what I heard Larry say so I just wanted to bring it out.
Josh
August 27th, 2011
4:09 pm
I’m sorry I meant to type that Larry said “Whatdoyagot.” Correction of typo.
EarleDawg
August 27th, 2011
4:16 pm
Clemson is recruiting like nobodies business the last few years, getting in the SEC would not improve it because it is already so hight. Plus they have become a good academic school and have very good facilities and a NFL type stadium. Lets get Clemson, A&M, FSU, and maybe Tech.
chilidawg
August 27th, 2011
4:33 pm
No. They don’t belong in the SEC.
Snoop Dawg
August 27th, 2011
4:48 pm
The short answer is Hell No! Clempson is a mediocre school for mediocre students from the greater Atlanta area who cannot get into UGA. BTW, they also have mediocre sports teams. Their football team underachieves every year much like the Dawgs have done with Richt.
So no, they are not SEC material. ACC is a good fit for Clempson.
chilidawg
August 27th, 2011
5:00 pm
Get A&M, OU, Mizzou and Okie St. Put Bama and Auburn in the East.
cs
August 27th, 2011
5:15 pm
Just move UGA to the Sun Belt or the like so they can have a winning season.
Randall "Pink" Floyd
August 27th, 2011
5:39 pm
Against expansion but Clemson is a nice fit all the way around if A&M were to join.
The Most Interesting Man in the World
August 27th, 2011
5:49 pm
Apparently this” Tx A&M coming to the SEC” thing is going to happen. I think it’s bad for the SEC. This is a mediocre program, that will dwell in the basement in the SEC West. If they must add 1 more team, it should be FSU. However, FSU had their opportunity to join, and like a scared little girl, they ran to the ACC. And I don’t see them having the balls to join now. Clemson on the other hand, would jump at the chance to join the SEC. They have the same delusional, unreasonable type of fans that we all have (with the exception of Vandy) in the SEC.
Still@theBAR
August 27th, 2011
6:28 pm
The BullDawg Brain is like the Dry Drunk Brain of an Alcoholic. To Stupid to think through a real life problem. Maybe UGA should worry about playing so good teams and not the the Midlevel Joke of the SEC east and still not compete for the SEC Title.
My Dawg is dead because Kentucky beat us.
My DAWG is dead because he knew we were not going to win more games that we lost.
RUSS are the UGA DAWG Players going to kill you off this year?
Delbert D.
August 27th, 2011
6:38 pm
TV money surpasses everything, I guess. The PAC-12 ESPN/FOX contract is $2.7 billion for 12 years. Every game in the PAC-12 will be televised. Games will be shown on Fox, ABC, FX, Fox Sports Net, ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU (or the PAC-12 Network, solely owned by the conference.) Their TV revenue will be greater than any other conference.
Quotes by John Henderson of the Denver Post on Aug. 15 interviewing Larry Scott, PAC-12 commissioner on how expansion will affect the TV contracts:
“I think we’ll expand further,” he said. “What I found in the process we went through, there would be a lot more value for the schools that would be unlocked long term if there were further consolidation.”
“I also asked how expanding further could enrich the current deal that already will annually pay out $20 million per school.”
“We’ve put in our TV contract provisions that if we expand,” he told me, “there will be increased revenue to cover those costs.”
Delbert D.
August 27th, 2011
6:47 pm
Clemson is ranked #64, 1 spot lower than Texas A&M in the US News&World Report national universities list. Florida leads the SEC at #53, tied with Pepperdine. Georgia is #56, tied with 6 other schools.
Ceasar
August 27th, 2011
6:49 pm
UGA should join ACC and be champions every year!!!!!!!!!!!!
Paul in NH (formerly RDU)
August 27th, 2011
7:14 pm
Delbert,
In your ranking of universities I am fairly sure that you are only talking about public universities. Vandy is a little better than UF and UGA
Delbert D.
August 27th, 2011
7:36 pm
Paul – That was all universities. I just blew it on Vandy. I was working from the web site rather than my list from last year.
moleman
August 27th, 2011
8:05 pm
come on dawg’s! this has nothing to do with the institution itself; it’s about big-time football and the teams associated with these universities in name only. i appreciate the research done by you dogettes, digging furiously to find any statistic that lists the scholastic prowess or lack there of of uga. but don’t tie these athletes to the academic side of the school. these people are university property; assets if you will. kinda like library books or lawn care equipment. sure, some take advantage of the opportunity afforded them. but the majority end up as coach kiffen said, “pumpin gas”. or alot worse. thats big time college football, be it athens, baton rouge, austin, or wherever. sad really.
LakeDawg
August 27th, 2011
8:20 pm
Bill, is the only reason for the SEC’s existence to increase revenue share? I’m normally right in line with your thinking, but I have to strongly disagree here. I’m against expansion, but if we do expand, I take Clemson over A&M. It’s truly a southeastern team. Since when did college football’s sole purpose become revenue generation at the expense of everything else? I know that’s pretty much where were at now, but at least fight the good fight, Bill. When super conferences are initiated with games being played every night of the week, that’s when I officially give up a sport that I’ve cherished for 40 years.
LakeDawg
August 27th, 2011
8:31 pm
The SEC is sitting pretty for years to come even if they don’t expand. So what if another conference makes more money because they expanded. Greed…the disease that’s ruining this country. Soon college football is going to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Realities
August 27th, 2011
9:34 pm
Actually, UGA should leave the SEC and join a lower division conference where they could be competitive. They’ll never win the SEC, at least not while Richt is there.
Bill King
August 27th, 2011
9:36 pm
My point about revenue: If you add members, you’re splitting the pie up more ways. So unless you want UGA to get a smaller piece, you have to have a bigger pie. (Personally, I’d rather the SEC not expand, but it seems like that’s not going to be the case.) The way to make the pie bigger is to draw in more TV markets so that the payout of the SEC’s TV deal expands. If the conference expands by just two teams, they both really need to bring new markets with them. If the SEC then decides to add another two and have 16, the chance of adding new TV markets is pretty slim. So then you add a couple of marquee teams that have TV appeal and a following. FSU and Clemson would fit that criteria.
Big Spur
August 27th, 2011
9:57 pm
Clemson has a solid defense and recruited extremely well on offense last year. Special teams is still an issue, but right now they are better than over half of the SEC (Auburn, Arkansas, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Mississippi, Kentucky, Georgia, and Vanderbilt).
Ellijay dawgcatcher
August 27th, 2011
10:00 pm
exactly Bill. Afraid expansion is going to happen, and they aren’t going to ask our opinion. TV markets are key, especially the first two additions. To me, it’s TAMU and either VT or Mizzou. Those choices add to the tv footprint. FSU and Clemson should follow, but only as 15 and 16. Neither manke any sense as the 14th addition.
Offensive Line
August 27th, 2011
10:03 pm
Could not agree with Jonathan London more! Why in the hell does a conference with UGA, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss feel the need to dilute itself?
Forget TV markets; they want to watch us now.
Clempson? Please don’t suggest.
FSU, NEVER. They turned down the offer years ago and should not get another. Why did the chicken cross the road?
We are just fine where we are, thank you.
SEC.
Dan
August 27th, 2011
10:23 pm
Bill, if you think Jim Weaver’s denial was like Nick Saban’s, you don’t know anything about Virginia Tech. Jim Weaver’s denial was about as firm as the earth’s core. There’s a better chance Georgia State will join the SEC than Virginia Tech.
Hairy Perry
August 27th, 2011
10:44 pm
Clemson belongs in the SEC, they are out of place in the ACC.
Hairy Perry
August 27th, 2011
10:46 pm
Clemson has that old school tradition even though they have struggled of late.
Hairy Perry
August 27th, 2011
10:49 pm
I think Clemson caught coodies from having to play Tech every year.
sports
August 27th, 2011
11:40 pm
Clemson or Florida St. may belong in the SEC, but The Georgia Institute of Thuggery is not worthy. Virginia Tech would also be a good addition, slong with Texas A&M.
DAWGMAN
August 28th, 2011
12:09 am
You folks talking about market share in big TV metro areas sound like junior vice presidents of sales and marketing for the university president’s office. Rather than it being all about the money, why don’t you look at putting the best FOOTBALL on the field. Look at the schools in the SOUTHEASTERN US with the best game, the best fan support, and the best rivalries. The money will take care of itself.
Thomas Brown
August 28th, 2011
1:58 am
Lame subject. I will be dipped if ANY ACC team should be allowed to be added to The SEC to water down what is certainly working with 5 NC in a row.
Why not discuss why we should have no problem beating the Smurfs, even if Nike gave them a great looking uni when their uni should be all blue and our uni should look as good as their uni ?
USC GAMEC0CK
August 28th, 2011
7:20 am
Just to say it again…HE*L NO TO Clempson…FSU…and GT ….period.
Remarkable
August 28th, 2011
9:10 am
Bill I agree with what you said except for the Clemson part. They don’t have the following and appeal that people think. Plus, we already have enough orange in the SEC. Ask Virginia and Virginia Tech to come to the east and Texas A&M and Missouri to come into the west. I’d rather have a Virginia team and NC though.
Robert E. Lee
August 28th, 2011
9:22 am
Good morning, SEC fans,
My name is Robert E. Lee, I was the General of Confederate Army. I did all I could to defend the SOUTH against invastion. I am a VIRGINIAN. I chose to defend my home state and those of the SOUTH. VIRGINIA was the Capital of the Confederacy. Stonewall Jackson, J.E.B Stuart, A.P. Hill and many other Virginia Generals would like to see Virginia Tech as the 14th Team. Virginia is a Southern State because I am a Virginian and we were the Capital of the Old South…so GO HOKIES!
AceDawg
August 28th, 2011
9:38 am
Yes, tv market reasons make sense for the SEC in its expansion consideration, but no I don’t think that is the right way to go about it – adding teams that have no cultural fit can create another ACC type league that has no identity. That said, VA Tech actually could fit SEC culture if they were integrated. Still, CLEMSON is the absolute best team when considering culture fit.
If anything, the SEC should ABANDON Vanderbilt (a perfect ACC school for basketball and football) as well as Miss St. (a team that seems to be more of a glorified community college) to pick up Clemson and Va Tech. Maybe an A&M as the third preference.
AceDawg
August 28th, 2011
9:40 am
Also, Bobo is definitely at the very best average. SEC coordinators should not be average if a team is expected to win championships. Grantham was a nice choice for defense as far as pedigree, and Richt should still MUST make a similar move for the offense if UGA somehow has a less than great season yet still retains Richt.
UGADawg83
August 28th, 2011
10:23 am
Why even publish questions similar to Wes Starr’s? The Bobo thing has been pounded to death. Bobo is our OC, Done deal. As Brucerugby79 says this blog is a true energy vampire. AJC–please, please, sack Bill King.
USC GAMEC0CK
August 28th, 2011
10:31 am
As long as Bobo is OC georgia will be mediocre so KEEP him
Grantham is a ZERO as DC so of course everyone in the SEC say….KEEP HIM
Nobody wants Richt to be canned because that would mean Bobo and Grantham get booted too
Advocati
August 28th, 2011
10:41 am
So . . . Most all agree A&M would be good addition competition and revenue-wise. That’s a solid addition to the West. The East is the real bugaboo. Forget breaking up the current divisions. Everyone in the SEC adds someting to the mix, so this nonsense about dropping someone is a waste of time.
The real query is: who to add? Although VT and WVU have their haters, both meet the competitive
and $ criteria. Both would be good additions for East. VT is closer travel-wise, but it’s not an easy choice.
USC GAMEC0CK
August 28th, 2011
10:51 am
Anyone advocating for West Virginia to be an SEC member does not know anything about college football expansion….the SEC will not add a school that is tier 3….won’t happen no way no how…period.
USC GAMEC0CK
August 28th, 2011
10:54 am
VT or Virginia or Maryland or UNC or NC State or Missouri…yes to any of them joining the SEC with Tamu…
no to clemp, fsu, gt, louisville, central fla, south fla and wvu
Beast from the East
August 28th, 2011
10:57 am
All of you folks against expansion probably felt the same way when it happened last time. Stop for a second and look how the conference has fared since then. It has totally EXPLODED! I was sceptical last time, but no one can argue with the results. The addition of Arky and SC enabled us to have a conference CG and that exposure helped put us over the top. Expansion is inevitbale. Let’s just hope Slive and the university presidents make the right choices for a long a prosperous future.
Thomas Brown
August 28th, 2011
11:25 am
11-3 Choke-la-homa 2007 now is some great NC contender Boise State beat ?
11-3 Virginia Tech 2010 now is some great NC contender Boise State beat # 16 AP Poll ?
5-7 Oregon State 2010 now is some great NC contender Boise State beat ?
10-3 Oregon 2009 now is some great NC contender Boise State beat ?
10-3 Oregon 2008 now is some great NC contender Boise State beat ?
10-4 Oregon State 2006 now is some great NC contender Boise State beat # 21 AP Poll ?
7-5 Oregon State 2004 now is some great NC contender Boise State beat ?
5-6 Oregon State 2005 now is some great NC contender Boise State beat ?
So, a 3-Loss team who didn’t beat anyone either and lost to all kinds of other teams, is the best Boise State can offer up. Sad.
USC GAMEC0CK
August 28th, 2011
11:34 am
Thomas Brown do us all a favor and don’t post any more….that post was like….huh?
the indiana of the sec
August 28th, 2011
11:36 am
who came up with that “energy vampire” slogan? probably the same person responsible for “the blackout”, “end zone dance”, and kicking the field goal against ucf. don’t see that kind of vision just anywhere. must be a georgia thing. you guys are blessed.
RedandBlackDAWG
August 28th, 2011
12:00 pm
Indiana of the SEC,
Every team takes on a slogan each year for each new campaign. I assume you are a tech. fan with your negtative posts, but that is to be expected from your likes. The “Energy Vampire”, is a good way, to pinpoint a slacker or someone who is maybe not giving 100%. UGA wants to remain positive and I think it is a good idea. The players buy into it, and since you and I are not on the field, it should not be a big concern of ours.
GO DAWGS and GATA
USC GAMEC0CK
August 28th, 2011
12:20 pm
Yo Dude
“Energy Vampire” is not a positive term…it focuses on the negative so you are wrong with your assessment of the term….but you are a dog fan so we all know you are not highly educated…so no worries.
still a dawg fan
August 28th, 2011
12:22 pm
I read in the Idaho Statesman Newspaper this morning that they are reporting that B. Boykin is texting their head coach Chris Petersen & daring him to kick to him.If it is true what are our guys doing texting the other teams head coach for & then taunting him Come on Coach M.R. I thought you had changed the culture.Put a stop to it
the indiana of the sec
August 28th, 2011
12:26 pm
and that surprises you?
Boise in ATL
August 28th, 2011
12:29 pm
@ Thomas Davis – with parity in college football – a double digit win season is impressive.
so – let’s apply your same logic to UGA:
2010 – A UGA team that went 6-7 – with losses to Colorado, University of Central Florida, a 5 losse South Carolina team (which suffured an embarrassing beat down loss to FSU in their bowl), a 5 loss Florida team. However, UGA did beat Tennessee – a team that ended the season 6-7.
2009 – A 5 loss UGA season – including losses to such traditional powerhouses – OK STATE, Kentucky and Lane Kiffin lead Tennessee!
2008 – Preseason #1 – blow losess to ALABAMA and FLORIDA where UGA’s resshirt team apparantly showed up to play – as the varsity was not seen the enitre game – and let’s not forget Paul Johnsons debut with GT vs UGAs – where UGA was totally blown out in the Second half. However, UGA did win 10 games – good thing GA Southern, Central MI, AZ STATE, VANDY and KY were on the schedule.
So – throwing it back at you – why should BOISE feel that we are not going to be competitive against UGA????
I am thinking Oregon (both times) and VT are currently more respected programs nationally than UGA – and confident both teams would have beaten UGA in those years.
However,I do think UGA has bottomed out and UGA should be better this year. But with all the changes and issues and new faces in key positions at UGA this year – it will take some time to jell.
UGA should have a good year – and after we beat UGA – Boise will need UGA to have a great year.
Boise in ATL
August 28th, 2011
12:35 pm
With Texas aTm to the SEC – VT would be the obvious choice.
If expanded to 16 teams – would like to see GT and BOISE!!!
USC GAMEC0CK
August 28th, 2011
1:25 pm
UGA better this year??
not without the “junk yard dawg” defense and with Grantham as DC…there is no chance the “junk yard dawg” defense returns this year.
and not with Bobo as the OC…
bugsquacher
August 28th, 2011
3:04 pm
I see where SI gave Craig James what he deserves in todays CNN football report. I hope he gets canned soon. what a jerk.
Expantionist
August 28th, 2011
3:14 pm
Bill,
But it is likely Missouri and Virginia Tech will both decline an SEC invite. The papers in both of those states were filled with such articles about 10 days ago. They really do not want to join the SEC for many reasons. So who would that leave? UGA, UF, USC, and KY will block the obvious decisions that all would be more likely to join the SEC. That seemingly would leave only West Virginia. Forget Oklahoma unless we also offer OkSt and it is possible even that combo could be declined since Oklahoma also seems more intent on staying with Big12 or moving to the PAC12. Beginning to look like WVU will be our only option unless the President can get one of the SEC blocking schools to relent. Obviously like you I do not want in state competition from GaTech.
Dirty Dawg
August 28th, 2011
4:29 pm
Not sure how a fourteen-team league would work, but assuming that there’s profit in numbers, it’ll probably be inevitable…and if it’s Clemson, what the hell. We’re already surrounded on three sides by an ‘orange’ team, might as well make it all four sides – at least then no matter which way we shoot we might hit one.
shankit
August 28th, 2011
4:39 pm
For balance, my first choice would be Georgia Tech,
my second choice would be Florida State
my third choice would be Virginia Tech.
No Oklahoma, let Stoops remain where he is.
Long Time DAWG Lover
August 28th, 2011
6:49 pm
In order to understand expansion, you have to forget rivalries because expansion is all about the money. And if people say it’s not about the money, it’s about the money.
The expansion crowd is looking at adding two huge markets in Houston and Dallas. Remember there are 25 million people in Texas. And the SEC will grow financially because ESPN and CBS will revise the existing contracts upward to accommodate whoever the 13th and 14th teams are.
I’m for expansion because it’s going to happen whether you or all the rest like it. Ultimately there will be four, sixteen team leagues and we, the SEC has to be competitive. We can’t sit still and rest on our laurels. The PAC – 12 has a huge contract with ESPN. Heretofore they had nothing.
So welcome South, rather welcome to the SEC, Aggies. Bring with you those folks in Texas.
I would expect that there will be a whole bunch of teams looking to join the SEC. Why wouldn’t they?
Steve
August 28th, 2011
7:12 pm
Arguments don’t line up.
Pick Texas A&M and Missouri for TV markets I understand. But by your own admission Clemson adds NOTHING to the conference … and quite frankly Florida State adds even less than Clemson form a money standpoint. Miami would be the better choice if going for a school from Florida due to the TV market.
If we go to 16 and take TAMU, VaTech, and Missouri, the last team would likely be either Virginia or Kansas. The FSU board has already shown thier disdain for joining the SEC, so I doubt they would change.
SuperB
August 28th, 2011
7:17 pm
Living in Southwest Virginia and a Georgia graduate– here’s what Virginia Tech brings to the SEC in terms of TV–
NOTHING. And their other sports are not up to most SEC standards.
The fan berating Florida State must be on something. Their program has been far more successful than the majority of SEC teams and they are good in the minor sports also.
The only schools that would help the SEC in terms of TV money are Oklahoma or Texas. Take A & M and one of them and the two Alabama schools move east.
Joe
August 28th, 2011
9:22 pm
If TAM and another mid west team come into the SEC and the SEC divides East and West…I guess Auburn and Alabama will be moved into the East Division. Is that what is needed?
Dawg Tell
August 28th, 2011
9:44 pm
I would like GT and FSU in the SEC.GT because of their history(put them in the east and we have a division win each year).FSU in the west and watch Bama and LSU sweat each year.
LakeDawg
August 28th, 2011
10:10 pm
@Beast from the East …The difference between the last expansion and this one is both ARK. and USC were from the southeast and had SEC football cultures. Texas A@M doesn’t fit that mold.
LakeDawg
August 28th, 2011
10:17 pm
Bill, thanks for the explanation. I see your point. I just wish more people wouldn’t see expansion as inevitable and would raise their voices in protest. Alas, I think I’m a dinosaur. The younger fan base doesn’t understand the SEC tradition. The SEC became powerful because it was a way to shine, when the rest of the country looked down on the south. SEC teams took pride in being from the south and whipping teams from other parts of the country. That’s the origin of SEC pride (even though, apparently, a lot of people don’t realize it) and the reason fans chant SEC! and pull for other SEC teams. You don’t see that with any other conference.
Bama Fan#2
August 28th, 2011
10:58 pm
Virginia Tech would be a better team for the SEC to get to join. Clemson has great
passion from the fans but are a 500 team most of the time. VT and the vols will
great rivals in the east and Texas AM would be great in the west for LSU. RTR
Thomas Brown
August 29th, 2011
1:42 am
Boise in ATL,
There is no parity in college football.
Boise State fans have NEVER said there is parity in college football.
Quit with all this BS about Boise State and double-digit win seasons and about Boise State ranks this in NCAA stats.
What Boise State puts forth is that there is no parity in college football. That it is unfair that Boise State doesn’t get to play a really good team, anytime – never. That you are locked out of such games. That there really is no parity. That the BCS cheats Boise State out of those games. That Boise State would win those games.
I see no reply to the actual 8 wins Boise State ever has had against any of the 6 BCS Conferences, the best of which 3-loss, Top 25 type program at best.
You see ? Beating UGA a 7-loss team about the 7th best in The SEC, is no great National Championship Contender either. Is it ?
Your football program, your players, your coaching staff and your blogs which allow no opinion other than Boise State is GREAT beyond measure and would have won all these national championships you state repeatedly to us and how great you are, as you repeatedly say to us – are all a hoax.
You know that.
So, why all this Boise State is so great stuff. If you beat UGA, we will not be ranked. We are # 22 and # 19 today. If we beat you, you will be not ranked. 1 team is full of hot air.
I have produced over the last few days for you to review, the in-depth analysis of what Boise State in fact has accomplished.
Weak teams, is who you only have beat.
No great team have you beat.
No national title contender as you try to paint them all as having been.
And, NEITHER is UGA.
It is not that UGA is so great, as your post addresses – we are not, it is that Boise State is NOT GREAT.
Welcome to our blogs where, guess what ?
We can tell you that.
Get used to it. Until you beat a truly great team, you are just a team who chooses not to answer the Big XII’s request for a team to come join their conference.
You know what that is ? Because you like playing the # 81 team, 10 times a season and that in your tough seasons. PTFO
Thomas Brown
August 29th, 2011
1:57 am
SuperB,
That is the problem. Alabama in The SEC East when we ALREADY over the last 5 years are only 13-12 vs SEC East. We can’t beat the teams in The SEC East as it is. Down as they ALL are. It really doesn’t matter that no one of the 25 population turns their TV set on to watch Texas A and M have a LOSING RECORD all this century against the Big XII, the Big East, the Pac-12, the ACC and The SEC. All it takes is 4 SEC teams of the 12 to vote NO and it is OVER. Do you hear that SuperB, sir, OVER. We can vote that way, whether you like it or not, want to ignore it or not that somehow someone does want to turn their TV on in Texas to watch Texas A and M LOSE every game to The SEC. We can VOTE NO because we know what, yes, means.
You can act like it is all about money, all you want. We can get new TV contracts today. And, don’t have to add a nobody football team like Texas A and M has proved that they are all this century. And, that is a team that cannot beat The SEC. How does a Big XII team, who has a losing record in the Big XII all century long, project to be # 7 in The SEC, again ? I missed that. But, for that, I have to accept Alabama over to The SEC East.
BS
Coastal Dog SSI
August 29th, 2011
6:45 am
Clemson, not VA Tech, and Florida State in the East and Texas A & M and Missouri in the West. THE Superconference!
Atlanta Gator
August 29th, 2011
9:22 am
“Rather not expand, if we must then Texas A&M and Oklahoma, move Auburn to East, A&M is the Houston market and OK brings Dallas to the table. Why would USC or FL want their main rival in the SEC to share in state recruits? WVU, VA Tech will not help with TV nearly as much as the rabid college football fans in Texas, great talent in state for all SEC to recruit.”
Incorrect, sir! Florida already shares the state of Florida with FSU for purposes of recruiting. In the minds of a bunch of 17-year-old Florida high school football players, FSU is again a destination because FSU has a new dynamic coach. Remember the 1990s? FSU more than held its own in in-state recruiting; only after Bowden’s program hit the skids in the 2000s did Florida enjoy a big recruiting advantage.
University of Florida decision-makers have repeatedly stated that they do not and would not object to FSU joining the SEC. Florida supported FSU for SEC membership in the early 1990s. It would not change the in-state recruiting battles, but it would make Florida’s sports scheduling much simpler, and force FSU to bear the same SEC burden of competition that Florida does. Here’s the real problem: FSU doesn’t want to deal with having to play Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Georgia, LSU, South Carolina, Tennessee AND Florida on a regular basis. When Bobby Bowden was among the FSU decision-makers, he publicly said as much. FSU has a much clearer path to a conference championship and a BCS bowl berth in the ACC. It’s doubtful the FSU powers-that-be are going to change their minds, especially with FSU’s football program in rebuilding mode.
Atlanta Gator
August 29th, 2011
9:28 am
BTW, I am fully in favor of adding Texas A&M to the SEC. Texas A&M currently has one of the strongest overall athletic programs in the country (look at the Directors’ Cup standings), and will probably have the second or third football team in the Big XII in 2011. The Aggies would more than hold their own in sports other than football, and SEC competition would likely elevate their football program. They are well-supported by their alumni and very competitive. Adding the Aggies is easy. My question is who becomes the 14th SEC member to balance the admission of Texas A&M? That’s a much harder question to answer . . . .
obama sin laden
August 29th, 2011
9:31 am
leave well enough alone. don’t fix what aint broke. leave clems-son in the crap hole(All Chump Conference) their in. they will cheapen the SEC. as will those other mentions. just improve on what is in place in the Super Elite Conference.
armydawg478
August 29th, 2011
9:51 am
yes. i think clemson, florida state, texas a&m would all be great additions to the conference. also move vandy west and add VT
schmeckdawg
August 29th, 2011
9:55 am
Back in the day before we added Rkansas and South Carolina, I always wished that we could swap out Vandy for Clemson.
I loved that UGA-Clemson rivalry every year.
As far as the unis go and I am a huge DAWG fan, but I’ve got to give the advantage to the ponies. I think what we’ll be wearing is nauseating!
Atlanta Gator
August 29th, 2011
10:08 am
“Back in the day before we added Rkansas and South Carolina, I always wished that we could swap out Vandy for Clemson.”
Vanderbilt was one of the 13 founding members of the SEC. Other than football, Vanderbilt has a consistently stronger athletic program than Clemson, and Clemson hasn’t done much in football in the last 30 years, either. Trading Vandy for Clemson would be like trading an eccentric, but brilliant sister for Cousin It.
BMOC
August 29th, 2011
10:17 am
I can understand wanting to expand market but diluting a conference because of greed is the WRONG way. Expanding should be based on the QUALITY of likely candidates, not revenue, but we all know that $$$ rules the same people that condemn players selling jerseys.
We need a REAL OC. The sooner RIcht takes back over this responsibility the sooner UGA will succeed.
Not sure I like he UGA Pro-Combat uniforms but I don’t hate them either — I’m especially not sold on the red pants. I thought it was smart of Richt to take the GA football team to the GA dome with their new uniforms before the game to get the ‘gitteries’ out — hopefully they can come out there Sat & concentrate on football.
schmeckdawg
August 29th, 2011
10:23 am
@ Atlanta Gator: You say “Clemson hasn’t done much in football in the last 30 years either.”
My question to you is what has Vanderbilt ever done? And I am not talking about going to The Peach Bowl once. I am just saying Clemson would be a great fit regionally if we needed to add a 14th team.
Florida State isn’t coming, and Va. Tech is a slim possibility and would be great because they would expose the SEC to that DC area TV market.
Anyway, Vandy isn’t going anywhere and we will see who we add when A&M joins up.
BIG Joe
August 29th, 2011
10:31 am
Atlanta Gator
Clemson capacity is 80,301
Vandy capacity is 39,790
Do the math. IF not, find a UGA grad that can do it for you.
Evansdawg
August 29th, 2011
10:41 am
The only way it would make sense for Clemson to come into the SEC would be to replace South Carolina and that isn’t happening. BUT….between the two Clemson would fit within the SEC better than South Carolina. Clemson has much more tradition and have historically been a better program than SC. Plus, the Clemson and UGA rivalry was irreplaceable. I miss it every single year.
Answer the question
August 29th, 2011
10:53 am
Clemson for the SEC?
No.
The TV market for SC is glued into SC football and Clemson would not add many more viewers. SC also has fans in Greenville, Spartanburg Columbia and Charleston.
SEC would benefit greatly by adding A&M, which brings us the Houston market and Dallas, and Oklahoma University would bolster those markets, as Oklahoma recruits Texas more than they do the state of Oklahoma. Two excellent addtions. It is about $$ and thye bring money. Period. Game over.
GT and Clemson and NC State ( laughable that assertion was ) and any other ACC school would be a waste of time. Frankly, adding in Texas Tech would be cool. They would bring us sparsely populated central and West Texas. They also have a coach that was in the SEC …………..TT.
Go Dogs.
Reality
August 29th, 2011
11:17 am
Too funny how all of you SEC folks want ACC schools. Keep wanting and wishing cause it ain’t gonna happen! None of us would lower ourselves to join the Scandal unEthical Conference.
Besides, we have the largest per school dollar share for the year among ALL conferences. Why would anyone leave more money for less money?????
You SEC folks are so full of yourselves!
AceDawg
August 29th, 2011
11:47 am
Adding a couple major teams like Oklahoma (which I don’t like for culture reasons anyway) and FSU would make the conference pretty brutal. If these types of moves are going to happen, there needs to be a college football playoff system that allows teams with tough schedules to still compete for the NC even if they lose a couple games versus teams with weaker schedules that lose none or one.
schmeckdawg
August 29th, 2011
12:08 pm
Reality
August 29th, 2011
11:17 am
Too funny how all of you SEC folks want ACC schools. Keep wanting and wishing cause it ain’t gonna happen! None of us would lower ourselves to join the Scandal unEthical Conference.
Besides, we have the largest per school dollar share for the year among ALL conferences. Why would anyone leave more money for less money?????
You SEC folks are so full of yourselves!
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Let’s see, North Carolina, Miami, Florida State excuse me Free Shoes University, and Clemson in the past.
Yeah, you have a real valid argument!
PonGT
August 29th, 2011
12:11 pm
Just watched the nike video and finally saw what everyone has been telling me … the horrid new uniform for the chik-fil-a game. So where does Nike get off on trying to tell UGA how their uniforms should look … but ‘whatever nike wants nikle gets’. REALLY? Well here’s what all bulldawg fans should do … boycott NIKE … buy UA; buy reebok; buy anything but nike … we all should let those oregon commies know not to mess with Georgia’s Red and Black!
TROJAN
August 29th, 2011
12:49 pm
The expansion is just watering down the conference in order to help out ESPN and the executives.
Texas A&M, wow, don’t that excite everyone?
TROJAN
August 29th, 2011
12:51 pm
Who is getting money from Nike? CMR? The AD? The school? Why would a college team bow down and dress in tacky uniforms?
schmeckdawg
August 29th, 2011
12:54 pm
@PonGT & TROJAN
I am with you two on all of your points 1,000%!!!!!!!
Atlanta Gator
August 29th, 2011
1:36 pm
“My question to you is what has Vanderbilt ever done? And I am not talking about going to The Peach Bowl once. I am just saying Clemson would be a great fit regionally if we needed to add a 14th team.”
You clearly don’t know much about college football history. Until about 1930, Vanderbilt was one of the dominant Southern football powers. Ever heard of Dan McGuigin? No? That doesn’t surprise me. College football didn’t begin in 1980. Clemson cheated their way to one MNC, and the subsequent probation buried the program for the better part of a decade. Other than that, Clemson has a long history of mediocrity in football, and for that matter, in most other sports, too.
rock steady freddy
August 29th, 2011
2:02 pm
NO, Clemson does not!!
Atlanta Gator
August 29th, 2011
2:20 pm
“Atlanta Gator
“Clemson capacity is 80,301
“Vandy capacity is 39,790
“Do the math. IF not, find a UGA grad that can do it for you.”
Thank you, BIG Joe, but I need neither a UGA grad (nor a Georgia Tech grad) to do the math for me. I would be happy to compare my SAT, GRE and GMAT math scores with yours, as well as my undergraduate grades in ten hours of core calculus, but I don’t you’re going to like the outcome.
Now that we can dispense with the gratuitous insults, let me reiterate my earlier point for your benefit: Other than sentimental memories of a Clemson-Georgia “rivalry” where the Dawgs got to beat the crap out of Clemson more often than not, and that hasn’t even been been played annually for almost 25 years, what exactly does Clemson offer to the SEC?
What does Clemson contribute to the SEC, and why do we want to split the SEC money pot with them? National fanbase? Major new television market access? Good football? Good basketball? Good baseball? Good swimming? Good tennis? Good women’s lacrosse? No. No. No. No. No. No. No . . . . and, no. Let the ACC keep their Tigers; the SEC already has two sets of Tigers of its own.
What’s the alternative? FSU, maybe. While FSU wouldn’t add a new TV market, it would solidify Florida (the 3rd most populous state and a college football hotbed), and add a national fanbase and some pretty darn good baseball and other secondary sports. Again, check the Directors’ Cup standings . . . . Texas A&M’s sports program is ranked 8th in the country (ahead of Texas, 11 of 12 SEC programs, and 9 of 12 ACC programs). Clemson is rated 47th (behind 9 of 12 SEC programs, and only 9 spots ahead of Vanderbilt, which plays one-third fewer sports). FSU, on the other hand, is a top-10 sports program, even when their football program is rebuilding.
There’s a lot more to being a good fit in the SEC than just having a “similar football culture,” whatever that means. Potential new members need to bring something to the table which the SEC doesn’t already have; otherwise, there’s no mathematical or financial reason to invite them to share the SEC money pot, diminishing the shares of existing members. Perhaps you can have a Vanderbilt finance grad do THAT math for you. LOL
T
August 29th, 2011
2:22 pm
Atl. Gator is right, Vandy was a power back in the leather
helmet days. Larry Munson use to call Vandy games before
coming to Georgia.
charles
August 29th, 2011
2:47 pm
I disagree with the comment that Clemson would definitely agree to join the SEC if asked-SEC is a great football conference but is really lacking as a basketball conference-the ACC has great TV exposure already in both football AND basketball-as a charter member of the ACC,i just don’t think Clemson would jump unless the college football world as we know it is about to collapse!
59bulldawg
August 29th, 2011
3:06 pm
Have to agree with Atlanta Gator. BTW Gator good to see your posts again. I always enjoy reading your informed opinions.
Reality
August 29th, 2011
4:47 pm
Bill King has such an easy job. All he has to do is mention something about the SEC adding a team and also a team from the ACC and BINGO – he has 5 pages of you idiot SEC fans going at it.
Clue – No ACC team will leave….. especially to move to the SEC….. ever. Get it? Every school in the ACC gets more money from the conference for the year (to include all sports) than ANY other conference.
Why would a team leave more money with the ACC to get less money with the SEC?
Forget about “stadium size” (give me a friggin’ break!). Forget about “fan base”. Forget about “recruitment area.” It is all about the benjamins, baby!
But, you idiots still want to talk and talk and give good ‘ole King an easy time setting you up. LOL!
True Dawg
August 29th, 2011
5:01 pm
I want to see the SOONERS! so they will have competition every year
colorado dawg
August 29th, 2011
6:34 pm
Keep the SEC southern. No teams from Texas, Oklahoma or Missouri.
colorado dawg
August 29th, 2011
6:35 pm
Reality, Go back to your ACC boards. Leave football talk to the big boys. Thanks.
Brad
August 29th, 2011
8:40 pm
Hey if you are interested in blogs about UGA Football like this one, check out ugabulldogfootball.blogspot.com
bigcalidawg
August 29th, 2011
9:03 pm
Absolutely……
Clemson and the ‘Noles belong in the SEC. They’re like your 1st cousin that goes to a different school.
Bring ‘em in. Makes more sense than Arkansas. They need to be back with Texas and them. Vandy belongs in the ACC and Arky in the Big whatever……….
icedawg
August 29th, 2011
9:16 pm
Would love to see Florida State, GaTech or Clemson before VaTech. T A&M will be a good addition to the West.
bigcalidawg
August 29th, 2011
9:17 pm
WOW, ever post after reading a few comments and then read a bunch more and have to post again?
Look, y’all…..I hate to “dumb down” this thread, because CLEARLY there are some BRILLIANT MINDS choosing to follow SEC football today, but for myself, I give a rats arse about Macro Econ and just love good football.
For myself, I believe that developing a strong culture of like minded football fans builds strong rivalries. Aside from the 25+ lb weight difference per fan and the jorts, DAWGS and Gators are more alike than different, but that’s the fun in all this crazy stuff.
Why in the world would we want to bring in another Kentucky, or Vanderbilt, (or Texas A&M), when we can stay within the culture and bring in Clemson and Fla State? Over time, the ROI will be far greater, because the product will be much stronger, and attractive.
Call me a football purist, but Al Davis has realized the demise of his passion. Not because he dislikes football, but because he loves money more.
Let’s just follow that money model directly into the footprints of the Oakland Raiders and bask in the glory of remaining in the black……..
01HAWK
August 29th, 2011
9:22 pm
Boise helmets is very nice. I like the all white uniforms.
Dawg Time
August 29th, 2011
10:06 pm
clemson? are you serious? keep those redneck fans out of the SEc. It’s bad enough having to deal with all the rednecks at tennessee and auburn. Get UNC or UVA instead.
bigcalidawg
August 29th, 2011
10:09 pm
Minnesota Dawg
August 27th, 2011
12:22 pm
“It no longer is the Southeast Conference when you move outside the SOUTHEAST. We don’t need College Sports to become like the Pros. Let’s keep in our regions. I know the all mighty dollar will prevent this, but that’s my opinion.”
Awesome, we have Dawg Fans in Minnesota? Man…Dawgs are way better than the Gophers……y’all actually have talent in your state, but can’t manage to pull it together. Lot’s of good specialty types, WR,QB,TB, etc…. I have a fondness for the region, but not the mosquitos and the stinky water.
My father is from Minne/St.Paul area……….
GT Joe
August 29th, 2011
10:50 pm
Did I just read a UGA fan say that Clempson has too many redneck fans?!?!?! HEE HAW!!!!!
I mean, have you BEEN to Sanford Stadium recently!?!?!!
Craziness
August 30th, 2011
12:43 am
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/8331071/personal_foul_unnecessary_conference.html?cat=14
Craziness
August 30th, 2011
12:44 am
Don’t know how I found that article (linked above), but I agree with the guy.
Craziness
August 30th, 2011
12:59 am
Hey GT Joe, have you been to Bobby Dodd lately? Oh yeah, not many Tech fans have. But I saw where you could buy a lower level ticket for Thursday’s game on stubhub for $8. Sad, just sad.
dmr
August 30th, 2011
7:03 am
SEC EXPANSION LOGIC: Bring in Texas A&M (Texas market) and then try to get FSU to join. With the “U” in potential trouble, the SEC can dominate the state of Florida. Then if the SEC wishes to go to a 16 team format, there are a couple of options. Go after VT first for the East. If that happens, then you can go for a homerun by going after Oklahoma…and if not them, Missouri would be a nice compliment to the West.
As for Coach Bobo, this has been one of Mark Richt’s major issues. Richt has used the Georgia football program as a “training ground” for “inexperienced” coaches. By inexperience, I mean coaches that do not have tenure at big time, high pressure programs. Bobo has been as inconsistent as the football team has been for the last few years. He will have to prove that he can be patient with what is working and quickly transition away from what is not. He needs to recognize if our “O” line is getting dominated and there is no running room. He needs to recognize the need to slow the pace and milk the clock situations vs. no huddle situations. Georgia has wasted a lot of time in recent years when behind and moved without a purpose or a sense of urgency.
I am convinced that this year will be an indictment of Bobo’s ability to really coach up this offense, if that is what Richt intends to let him do. If I’m Richt, I have a hand in everything the offense is doing. This team has a great chance to play close to the vest on offense, because I believe our defense is really going to surprise some people and keep us in a lot of games.
Birmingham Jacket
August 30th, 2011
9:17 am
Wanna’ know what I would like to see, Bill?
I’d like to see you stop littering my otherwise decent sports section with you stupid articles.
That picture looks like you fell off a mule at a peanut farm in Milledgeville.
King Gator
August 30th, 2011
10:13 am
Welcome TX AM & Clemson…middle of the pack in the SEC at best, but good for ratings, growth and someone new to beat up on. Go Gators!
Bad Dawg
August 30th, 2011
10:25 am
Okay, if we have to expand, and I don’t see the need, then let’s trade Vandy for Va Tech. VA Tech, NC State, Clemson, and GA Tech simply are not as good as the SEC core. The only teams that might fit into that bracket are Texas and Oklahoma. Missouri is a middle of the pack, at best, and I have no passion for them versus anybody. Maryland fits the ACC better. Fla State used to be a good fit but their program has fallen on hard times (again). Texas A & M gives us a market in Texas but not much else. That makes as much sense as having the Braves compete in the Western Division of National League. Why dilute the SEC with lesser teams? Are we looking for easier schedules?
Flo-Ri-Duh
August 30th, 2011
10:55 am
BoBo must GoGo.
Stratocaster
August 30th, 2011
11:39 am
SEC is ready to admit Texas A&M and kick Auburn out. Auburn to lose SACS accreditation because of all the money and influence from Lowder and his cronies. Watch for it…..
USC GAMEC0CK
August 30th, 2011
11:55 am
Look at the money and a MAP…easy to see
TAMU and VT would be good additions and that is it…NOBODY else.
Chris
August 30th, 2011
1:16 pm
Let’s go ahead and assume that Texas A&M is in. Based on added TV revenue due to market expansion and athletic competitiveness, my other 3 preferred (not likely) teams to add in order:
1. Texas
2. Oklahoma
3. Virginia Tech
4. FSU
5. Missouri
6. Clemson
7. NC State
8. Georgia Tech
UGASlobberknocker
August 30th, 2011
2:21 pm
I would like to see Clemson in the SEC so UGA could play them every yr like the old days..but from a marketing standpoint, they give you nothing..the state of SC is small and already SEC dominant.
Fla State, TX or TX AM would all bring much more to the table.
I would like the SEC to add Tex AM and Okla. Then go to Texas and point out that their 3 biggest lifelong rivals are now in the SEC, so how bout man up and play with the big boys?. The TV thing couldget worked out.
If Texas were to join up..the 16th team in my conference would be either 1/FSU 2/Clem 3/ Okla St. in that order.
savannadawg
August 30th, 2011
4:55 pm
Hell No!!!!!! the only team that plays like they deserve a bid to the SEC are VT and possibly NC. I would say GT, but they bailed for stupid reason way back. They don’t deserve.
Big Ten Champs Nebraska
August 30th, 2011
8:02 pm
Just another team to beat Georgia.
Mitun
August 30th, 2011
11:05 pm
why isn’t Georgia Tech in the conversation? I mean it make sense if the SEC West has Alabama and Auburn the why not Georgia Tech?
CitizenK9
August 31st, 2011
2:12 am
People seem to think expanding the conference is like collecting Hot Wheels cars. Its ” lets get the most cool teams”. But adding teams is going to screw up scheduling and make the conference harder to win. It will be the end of some great rivalries and make out-of-conference games fewer and less significant. Don’t fix something that ain’t broke.
LogicalUS
August 31st, 2011
9:04 am
Why?
Clemson and their 50K fans from the small upstate of SC market?
There are much more attractive schools who bring markets and regions into the SEC. SEC already owns that market.
USC GAMEC0CK
August 31st, 2011
9:19 am
1st Choice – NO expansion
2nd Choice – TAMU to the west and VT or UNC or NC State to the east (if this happens everyone better be getting some BIG time bucks otherwise go back to 1st Choice).
3rd Choice – No expansion and No way in HiLL to Clemp, GT, FSU, WVU, Louisville
Ok that’s about it…
Tar Heels Rock and Rule
August 31st, 2011
10:49 am
I’ve said it before, help App.St. get ready (stadium expanse., etc) for entry to top division and invite to SEC. They have already voted as I Understand to seek admission to top level. App St holds interest of everyone in NC, even fans of Big Four. App St would get real good real fast and wud give SEC that much desired entre into NC. Only problem is that within 5 yrs they’d be whupping up on the SEC. SEC better be pro-active less they lose out on opportunity.
USC GAMEC0CK
August 31st, 2011
1:13 pm
The ACC would be a much better fit for Appy St.
USC GAMEC0CK
August 31st, 2011
1:40 pm
BTW, it would not take Appy St 5 years to be competitive in the
A-SheShe…most folks predict Appy St would win the conference their very first year. Nobody from the SEC disagrees with that assessment.