Fan talk: Which would you rather have, a win over Florida or the SEC East title?

Welcome to Saturday. Three weeks from today Mark Richt’s boys will tee it up in the Georgia Dome against the Broncos.

If you didn’t order tickets to that game before it sold out and didn’t sign up for the season tickets that arrived in mailboxes this week but you still hanker to see the Dawgs play this season, you’re in luck.

A limited number of tickets to three of Georgia’s home football games — Coastal Carolina on Sept. 17, New Mexico State on Nov. 5 and Kentucky on Nov. 19 — will go on sale to the general public beginning Monday, August 15, at 9 a.m. All tickets are $45 and can be purchased online or by calling the Athletic Association ticket office 1-877-542-1231.

All single-game tickets ordered will be filled on a first-come, first-served basis and mailed within 10 days of the order being submitted, the athletic association says.

Meanwhile, I went to the funeral for a longtime dear friend’s mom in Athens Friday, and it was a lovely service. It was, of course, a typical Athens funeral in that the first words I heard from one of the surviving sons were … “What about Richt?”

You gotta love Athenians and their 24/7 devotion to UGA.

Speaking of Athens, I’ll be over there a couple of days while I’m off on vacation next week (with my fingers crossed in hopes that by the time I return Georgia will have a healthy tailback in good standing). But before I go let’s clear out some Junkyard Mail. …

georgia floridaOur old pal Cuz wants me to ask Bulldog fans which they’d rather have, a win over Florida or winning the SEC East. Says Cuz: “Tough one for me because I, like you, remember the total domination we used to have over the Gators. I went to maybe seven JAX games before Florida won one. We were dumbfounded, then just started laughing at the Florida fans who went out of their gourds. Now I understand. But to me, winning the East has got to be the most important step for this team and for Coach Richt. Both would be wonderful, but if I have to choose one, it will be winning the East.”

I have to agree, Cuz. As much as I would love for Georgia to beat Florida this season (and if not this year, when?), I’d much rather have the Bulldogs returning to the Georgia Dome on Dec. 3. I hated the losses to the Gators in 2002 and 2005, but I wouldn’t have traded winning the East for a win in Jacksonville either year.

Dawgtired writes: I’m sending this in hopes that you will unveil the scam Boise State is trying to pull on America. Their plight has been well documented regarding the “little man” being denied a chance to win the national championship in the current BCS system. I despise the BCS system not because it keeps the “little man” down, but because it doesn’t allow more teams to settle it on the field of play. This brings me to the Boise scam. No one argues that BS is a good team. I feel they are talented and extremely well coached. Much has been said about their success recently against the “big boys.” No dispute from me. However, while many naysayers point out that BS would struggle in a major conference, the grind of a long season is only part of the explanation. You see, BS’ success should be credited to the genuis athletic director for scheduling these games with the big boys. Nothing to lose and everything to gain for the program. Much has also been made about BS really only having to win ONE tough game to go undefeated each year. But let’s look closer. Yes, they have beaten Oregon twice, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech and TCU. Each of those wins had the same thing in common. BS was smart enough to schedule these as opening games of the season or they were bowl wins. Each allowed at least 4 weeks to scheme and prepare. Some allowed 8 months prep time. This year UGA draws BS in the season opener. BS coaches and players know that their season and respectability depends on winning this game. Is there any doubt they have been preparing for 8 months? UGA on the other hand is more concerned about the SEC title. Please someone, ANYONE, schedule Boise in the middle of their season or late in the season when they can’t devote every hour of prep to you! May John Jenkins welcome Kellen Moore to his senior season. Thanks, Bill.

You make an interesting point, though I should note that Gene Bleymaier, Boise State’s “genius” athletic director and the father of the Smurf Turf, was fired this week in relation to the school’s NCAA troubles. But while I think, yes, Richt and his staff probably are (and should be) more concerned with the SEC schedule than anything else, UGA scheduled Boise State in the Chick-fil-A Kickoff Game for a reason … to regain the national football spotlight. I think the Dogs are taking the Broncos plenty seriously and certainly hope they’ve also put the past few months to good use.

Big Bad Brad writes: Bill, what’s your take on Texas A&M and SEC expansion? I don’t really see why everyone’s getting so excited about the prospect of the third- or fourth-best Texas program joining the best college football conference. I think the SEC is just fine as it is. You?

I think the SEC should add schools only if it can expand its footprint and add television markets and revenue. While the Aggies may not be the top program in their state, they’re the one that would fit best with the SEC West and adding A&M would get the conference into a key television market. So if they want to join up, I think the SEC should take them. Now, who else should be added to balance the league? A lot of folks like Florida State, and the Seminoles are certainly a marquee program, but I think a more valuable addition to the SEC would be Virginia Tech, which would get the conference into the D.C. TV market (where, my son notes, conference games currently aren’t available). I wrote about this subject last year when the SEC and A&M were flirting, and you can read those discussions here and here and here.

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375 comments Add your comment

Dtopgun515

August 13th, 2011
12:11 am

First, What What!!

DawgFan

August 13th, 2011
12:12 am

CORNBREAD first

August 13th, 2011
12:19 am

StevoDeG

August 13th, 2011
12:20 am

In regards to Florida or SEC East, I believe one hand washes the other. But if I had to choose, I’d go with the East. I think Boise should play a powerhouse in tthe middle of the season, though I’m glad we get a shot at them. And I personally feel that the SEC is fine the way it is, though I understand it is all about revenue and expansion to get into new markets is likely. Hope we can keep it at 12 teams though.

Clint Black

August 13th, 2011
12:21 am

You’re CRAZY if you think Texas A&M is the 3rd or 4th best Texas school in ANYTHING. Do some research.

Dtopgun515

August 13th, 2011
12:27 am

I hope Georgia destroy’s Boise State by the way.

OldFan

August 13th, 2011
12:32 am

Doesn’t matter. Neither one’s going to happen any time soon. Just get better and become a winning team again. The rest can follow.

Randall "Pink" Floyd

August 13th, 2011
12:52 am

You can’t be serious.

Sam

August 13th, 2011
1:01 am

As much as I hate uf, I’d still rather win the east… As for the A&M question: I’m a Georgia fan, not an SEC fan. I couldn’t care less about t.v. markets and conference revenue and am not sure why people keep bringing that up as justification. The SEC is tough enough to win as it is. If it adds 2-4 more teams, its just going to make it tougher and probaby impossible to win the national championship.

William

August 13th, 2011
1:04 am

Why not win them both. Beat Florida and win the SEC championship. Let’s not think small. By the way, Boise St. will be better than everyone thinks. This will be a tough team much like every week in the SEC. Better be preparing for them hot and heavy now. They have been preparing for us for a long time.

Boise in ATL

August 13th, 2011
1:14 am

Living in ATL the last few years has been a joy – not only is the city a great place – but the college football scene is just incredible – year round – have met rabid fans from nearly all SEC schools and a few ACC schools in my neighborhood and work. Have been to UGA, GT, Clemson, AUB and UT to see games – andhave loved every minute of it.

Regarding Florida vs SEC East – no debate – you play for championships. My vote? win both!!!!

Regarding Boise – not a sham – we are not UTAH and complaining – getting politicians involved – when there are so many frigging issues our congress needs to be dealing with – the BCS is not one of them – the deficit and spending addiction is.
I LOVE the BCS – if not for the BCS – BOISE would never – NEVER have had the opportunity to play OKLAHOMA or TCU in BCS bowl games. Under the old bowl invite system – we might have been invited to HOLIDAY bowl at BEST. SO – I repeat – we love the BCS.

No arguement from this rabid Boise fan – and rabid college football fan – that Boise does not have the rigorous schedule. However, this is not Boises fault – we are who we are – and we schedule big boys like Oregon when we can. I seriously doubt the SEC, P12, B12 OR B10 will be inviting Boise to join soon – so all we can do is try to get a game with a Georgia – do our best – and focus on winning the games we do have.

So – thanks to the UGA AD and CMR for playing Boise – UGA is in a no win situation – but have the guts to play this game. Thanks to VT, Oregon and soon Michigan State and Washington for playing us as well – these games mean everything to us.

Now, how bout UGA come visiting Boise and play on the blue turf – would be huge and ESPN or ABC would be all over it.

pirtdawg

August 13th, 2011
1:21 am

“Just win baby”

The difference between Boise’s past openers and this one is that we want to play them just as much (if not more) as they want to play us. This has been a motivator for the Dawgs all year and they WILL be ready.

FLDAWG1

August 13th, 2011
1:23 am

BEAT FLORIDA

Boise in ATL

August 13th, 2011
1:24 am

one other thing – I love the SEC at 12 teams – hope the eyes are not bigger than your stomach. If the SEC picks up aTm and VT or FSU – goes to a 9 game schedule – it’s just another extremely tough game – probably on the back of another tough game – which could be a loss. Meanwhile – OK and TX will have easier shot at being undefeated. Oregon and USC also have easier routes to be undefeated – and a 1 or 2 loss SEC team may have a hard time getting the nod over an undefeated TX and USC.

Remember Auburn?
What is UGA lost to ALABAMA in the reg season – otherwise undefeated – wins the SEC – but OK or TX and USC or OR are both undefeated. the SEC will get screwed – no way an undefeated TX or Oregon will get locked out. So – the SEC better be carefull – I would punt of aTm – Texas is their problem.

Boise in ATL

August 13th, 2011
1:28 am

regarding FSU – didn’t FSUh BEG to get into the SEC – then when the SEC was going to get them in – they bolted for the ACC because it represented a path of least resistence to a NT???? Didn’t Bowden say it was crazy to have to play FL, AL, AU and TN in the same schedule – try to go undefeated and get a NT game?

If I am the SEC – screw FSU – if you are going to invite a team – go for VT – at least that opens up the DC tv market = equals higher viewer volume – sponsor increase -more $.

ARdawg

August 13th, 2011
1:30 am

Boise in ATL

You are a good chap. However, it is a win/win for UGA. We’ll beat you and as “strange as it sounds” the alarms will sound as UGA beat the #5 ranked team. That should be a catapult for UGA into a return.

You are confident. I like that but your boys are going down.

We’re not GT and will not play on the Smurf Turf. You have to change the turf and put more than 50k butts in the seats. If you want to be taken serious about home/home, build you a stadium with some decent grass

Boise in ATL

August 13th, 2011
1:32 am

pirtadawg – I agree with you – UGA is focussed and the potential of this program may become a reality. However – Boise is much more athletic inthe past -and we are a very – very smart team oriented football program. UGAS has so many areas that they are addressing – it may be several games before they position the wind behind their sails and jell as a team. UGA could turn into a monster by seasons end – we are catching UGA at the very best moment – and I am not so sure your offense will be consistent enough to win. Boise wins a squeeker.

Daytona Dawg

August 13th, 2011
1:33 am

@ Boise in ATL: Classy comments. Thanks.

pirtdawg

August 13th, 2011
1:35 am

@Boise in Atl

Though we’re enemies for the next 3 weeks I have to say I like your style. No disrespect but I really didn’t think there were Boise fans that knew anything bout football besides what concerned Boise. But hey I’m just a country boy who doesn’t like to leave the south. So good for you, you represent a fresh take on the sport in a up and coming team. Good luck to you this season……well except on that opener. G-E-O-R-G-I-A!!!

ARdawg

August 13th, 2011
1:36 am

Boise in ATL

I like it at 12 teams too. It is elite and we should be careful to whom is invited to the party. However, the OK/TEX scenario you point out means nothing. The SEC is the conference it is because, it is the toughest schedule and A&M or FST won’t change that. That was the same argument in 94 and it was nil then too

Boise in ATL

August 13th, 2011
1:42 am

AR DAWG – our stadium is under 40K right now – but we are working on expansion plans – should put us over 50K. larger than Vandy – not sure how many Miss State holds.

Beating OK, Oregon twice, VT and TCU are not flukes – if we only beat one of those teams – yeah – maybe the stars lined up for us that night – but beating these teams is no fluke.

with that said – losing to KY, OK STATE, Miss State, Colorado and UCF is no fluke either – the UGA program was declining – and declining fast. Very impressed that Richt has taken the bull by the horns – has weeded out players , changed S&C, changed DC and staff – and the recruiting really looks good – so I think the DAWGS are positioning themselves to be back in the mix of teams that have a legit shot at the SEC title game. No arrests this year – which sounds funny – but is proof that at least discipline and players are taking it serious that playing for Georgia is an honor and a priveledge.

Best of luck to UGA this season – still would love to see UGA visit the smurf turf!

pirtdawg

August 13th, 2011
1:52 am

If these blogs always had this much relevant and thoughtful content I would comment more. Usually it’s a bunch of retards living in their parents basement with too much time on their hands who don’t know what the hell their talking about. It’s a good night.

Atl your right Boise is no fluke, that OK game was one of my favorite bowl games to date. However as I said earlier I truly believe UGA wants this game as much more than Boise. We need this game (which speaks volume bout your team) and Richt’s boys no we need it. That will be the difference maker here. BTW no offense but for some reason I just can’t help but hate the blue turf, it just seems wrong.

Boise in ATL

August 13th, 2011
1:54 am

pirtdawg – you would be surprised how popular college football is out west – the SEC is king – we all know it – Boise fans are very knowledgable – and we follow all the major conferences besides our own. Very much a SEC mentality our there in terms of passion for the game. That is why playing UGA – win or lose – is so HUGE for Boise. Yes – we stunk in 2005 – our QB was tight and nervous – threw more completions to UGA linebackers than our own receivers – just a nightmare – but it was a growing experience – and set the table for success.

I expect Boise to put up a much better fight this year – at any rate – best of luck to UGA this season.

ARdawg

August 13th, 2011
1:54 am

Boise in ATL

I’ve watched you and your posts for a number of weeks now. You raise excellent points but, you seem to be working on the premise that Boise will show up being the nicely polished fine tuned machine that they finished in 2010. I have to tell you guy, they won’t be. They looked pretty shoddy in that VT win last year and they should have, although brilliant at times. It was the 1st game for BST. I expect they’ll look much the same this year as well.

UGA is no different. They’ll look shoddy as well. I think what we’ll have here is more a mono ‘a mono of who can shine the best under 1st game scenario. What you should remember is, we’re not VT and we will field a better 1st game team than will VT. Honestly, in my humble opinion we were as good as VT last year even with the difference in our records. We both sucked.

In short ATL, you seemed to see only the bright spots of BST’s year and not so much the reality

ARdawg

August 13th, 2011
1:56 am

pirtdawg

Isn’t it great to be able to have some football discourse without the trolls?

pirtdawg

August 13th, 2011
1:57 am

Well boys good points all around. Guess we’ll just have to wait till Sept. 3rd on this one, that’s why we don’t play the games on paper.

pirtdawg

August 13th, 2011
1:59 am

yep no trolls or no one trying to fill me in on SC football like I give a damn.

ARdawg

August 13th, 2011
2:00 am

I think its going to be a good game yet with a convincing Georgia win. 7+ points

pirtdawg

August 13th, 2011
2:02 am

We’ve both lost some key players. If we can win in the trenches and play in the 4th we will be fine.

dave

August 13th, 2011
2:03 am

boise in atlanta – how do you expect your little team to compete against such a superior athletic team – our oline is twice your dline size – we are team speed you have never seen – and our running game will be brutual with a 270lb FB and big fast RB’s – you do realize that we are going to smash you into submission and the 4th quarter – it will be a huge route. Boise is in way over their heads – you know it – and I know it. Take that weak blue arena football uniform and mentality back to Idaho – and go bak to tater digging! Leave the football for the real schools.

ARdawg

August 13th, 2011
2:05 am

Boise is a really good team with a really good coach but, there is no way we let you leave Georgia with a victory. UGA is playing for much more (at this juncture) than a win over a mid-level football team. A loss will severely cripple Richt and diminish his employment possibilities at Georgia. If we have to go 1-1 even though it would be a conference loss, it’s better to lose to SCe than Boise. A Boise loss and the Dawg nation is livid

pirtdawg

August 13th, 2011
2:07 am

AR – Well played.

pirtdawg

August 13th, 2011
2:09 am

However I don’t even want to think bout loosing to SC and Spurrier. That will be our toughest game of the season, the game plan there will be to force Garcia to win the game by himself. Alshon is great but our secondary will be the toughest he will see all year.

ARdawg

August 13th, 2011
2:13 am

I hate even the thought of losing to the Ole Bawl sack. I still see him as FL. However, beating Boise and losing to Carolina is 1-1 and not necessarily a bad thing nor are we out of the East race if we beat FL.

Ideally we beat Boise and SCe as well as FL. Lord only knows we can still stumble on what is considered the weaker part of our schedule too

pirtdawg

August 13th, 2011
2:18 am

Three toughest games: Boise, SC and Miss St. However being from TN I never underestimate the Vols at home. I’ll be right in the middle of that orange toilet bowl getting rowdy and hopefully seeing a big W. As much as I hate to say it with him being from UF but Mullen is proving to be a helluva coach.

dave

August 13th, 2011
2:19 am

AR DAWG – VT could have easily won that game last year.

Boise came ready to play and stunned VT jumping out to a good lead. To VT’s credit they regained their composure and were beating on us pretty good. But here is the deal – BOISE just never quits. We bowed up when the game seemed lost and seized the moment at the end of the game – put a drive together and won the game.

Like I said – Boise is very athletic and is just an incredibly disciplined team of over achievers that get the job done. This is a smart smart team. This team under Coach Petersen never quits. Playing UGA early – while the UGA offense is trying to jell and find some continuity works in Boise’s favor. I have to admit it becasue I believe it’s true – if UGA’s offense cones out clicking – and the defense finally get’s the 3/4 = yes – Boise could be in trouble. But hey – it’s great to be a homer!!!!

dave

August 13th, 2011
2:20 am

I love Florida!

ALPHA DAWG

August 13th, 2011
2:24 am

@ Boise in ATL – good posts.

dave – go gators!

pirtdawg

August 13th, 2011
2:26 am

dave are you drunk? you went from being a UGA fan to Boise fan and now your a fla fan. I think PBR has taken it’s natural course, drink one for me.

ARdawg

August 13th, 2011
2:30 am

dave

Kudos to Boise in that VT game last year. VT SHOULD have won that game. It’s pretty easy for a Boise fan to reflect on that one game and state “Hey, we never quit” but the reality is, you didn’t have another challenge until much later in the year. The VT game was nothing but one snapshot in time for you guys.

My only point so far is Boise isn’t going to be the team you ended the year with. You have a different team. As does Georgia and this is the first for them both. We’re bigger, faster and despite the news reports, we’re deeper.

If Boise happens to jump out with a lead, they will still have to maintain it to win the game. However, I’m not seeing that as the way it’ll play out. You may have an occasional lead early but, can you keep it?

Braden

August 13th, 2011
2:30 am

I myself have been a Texas a&m fan my whole life and believe the benefits of us joining are great for both a&m and the sec. The sec is a tradition rich conference and a&m is a school also full of great traditions, adding a&m (and maybe FSU) would make this conference even more intimidating and competitive. I personally can’t stand the longhorns and their arrogance, Texas Is a gold mine of recruiting talent and t.u. just pucks and chooses who they want year after year just because their the longhorns. If a&m comes to the sec, recruits from Texas will see the competition that the big 12 (then the big 9 if this happens) lacks and will see better opportunities in the sec west and flood into the conference. Now I know a&m hasn’t had a great track record in the past decade and they haven’t had great success against sec opponents but I am beginning to see the ol’ aggie spirit coming back to this team. We are poised for a break out year this year in what hopefully is hopefully our last season in the mess of the big 12 and I think you sec fans will be impressed with team Mike Sherman has put together and that we have tremendous potential to be a force in any conference we go to. I’m excited as both an overall college football fan and a died hard aggie that this change is happening, it will be beneficial to everyone (except the longhorns hopefully) and I can’t wait for the ags to be going face to face with georgia, lsu, auburn, etc. I hope I gave a valid point and gig em aggies!

ARdawg

August 13th, 2011
2:38 am

braden

If the powers that be make it happen, let me be the first to welcome A&M to the SEC. I personally do not see where adding A&M is a benefit but, I don’t see it as a negative either. A&M will have to grind it out every week just like the rest of the SEC teams do.

The thing is: it doesn’t matter what other teams or conferences do. Those of us in the SEC “know” one of the 12 of the teams in the conference are the National Champs, whether we get to play for it or not. The SEC champ will rarely if ever get beaten by another conference

pirtdawg

August 13th, 2011
2:40 am

Braden- I’m not one for changing things in the SEC but if it must come I will say I think A&M has the tradition and fan base to fit right in. This would be a nightmare for the other UT as it would provide a pipeline for recruiting to all SEC teams in the state of Texas. Making it harder for them to pick and choose who they want. Not sure I like FSU though, maybe if Bobby was still there. I think VT fits more into the Defensive minded scheme of the SEC.

BTW I met my 1st Aggie alum not to long ago and I must say yall sure know how to grow em’ out there. Good luck to your team.

"CaneDawg"

August 13th, 2011
2:45 am

UGa needs to to beat UF and dominate the all SEC East opponents to win the SECe Division title. Somebody out of Tallahassee is spreading a foul rumor & lie that the SEC wants to add FSU to the East Division and is trying to get the Noles to leave the ACC.

FSU had their chance to join the SEC back in 1991 and the Noles ran from the SEC’s offer. I wish the Seminoles would stop lying about the SEC wanting them now. The SEC does not need or want FSU. The real truth is the Seminoles see Texas A&M about to join the SEC and the Noles are hoping to jump in as a 14th team. Which is clearly delusional and wishful thinking on their behalf. The Gators don’t want FSU in the SEC, just like the Dawgs don’t want Tech back in the SEC. Clearly the only offer to be extended by the SEC will initially go to the Aggies. Then the SEC will look at Oklahoma,OklahomaSt.,Missouri, Va.Tech, N.C.St. or West Va. as new potential candidates. Sorry Noles, y’all should have accepted the 1991 invitation, because that train has left the station. FSU is sentenced to the ACC for life !!

pirtdawg

August 13th, 2011
2:49 am

I could see adding OK, VT, WV or MAYBE OkSt. but adding Mizz or NCST would just be unfair to those programs. No disrespect intended but they have a hard enough time with their current schedules.

Thomas Brown

August 13th, 2011
3:25 am

How about a win over a team finishing in the AP Poll Top 10 while we finish in the Top 10 ourselves, something we have not done in 10 years of Mark Richt’s coaching staff ?

Thomas Brown

August 13th, 2011
3:37 am

Boise State has 8 wins all-time, ever in their football history over teams who are in the 6 BCS Conferences.

31 games Boise State vs the 6 BCS Conferences

8 wins

That is 25 percent “winning” percentage for Boise State.

Why in the world would anyone put up 4 games as a question and make it look like Boise State competes with the talent assembled here at Georgia with this

HORRID RECORD of Boise State vs the 6 BCS Conferences ?

Boise State has 1 either 5-Star or 4-Star recruit (Kellen Moore 2007 Scout.com) while we have handed this coaching staff of Mark Richt 51. This is over the last 5 years making up the teams playing each other, in fact.

Boise State has 0 Top 100 players the last 5 recruiting classes according to Scout.com, as well, while again UGA has 21.

Boise State can complain about Scout.com all they want, buy anyone writing you a question Bill stating how talented they are, has to look up what they are talking about and see the last 5 recruiting classes for Boise State average # 69 while we rank average # 11.

And, if Scout.com is so wrong : (1) Why has BS only won 8 of 31 games against any of the 6 BCS Conferences ALL-TIME, EVER ? And, (2) I presume the NFL are also ninnies like Scout.com and the games on the field against the 6 BCS Conferences, because the NFL has 15 Boise State players to 45 for us.

32-18.

"CaneDawg"

August 13th, 2011
3:55 am

@ Boise in the ATL: You are totally correct about FSU ducking the SEC in 1991. The SEC extended membership offers not only to the Noles, but the Miami Hurricanes as well. The Canes opted for the Big East and the Noles cowardly ran to the safety shelter of the ACC. Bowden, who had yet to win a National Title, hadn’t figured out how to beat the Canes in a money game back then and was stricken with fear when he spoke of the prospect of facing Bama, Tennessee, Georgia, Auburn, L.S.U. and UF on the same schedule by joining the SEC in 1991. So he chose the easy way out over tough road greatness by avoiding the invitation by the SEC and calling up the ACC to petition for membership. Bowden felt he would never win a National Championship playing SEC teams and UM, so he took the path of less resistance by running to the ACC. Bowden prayed if he could finally beat the”U”, that he would not have to face a SEC team in the National Championship game (and in 1993 his prayers were answered when he faced Nebraska in the ‘94 Orange Bowl title game,which FSU barely won.) And for all the easy ACC championships he won, he only won one real National title in 1999 with the win over Va.Tech and true freshman Mike Vick. The other Tainted Title Bowden “won” in 1993 (after the 16-14 Orange Bowl win over Nebraska), was given to him when during the ‘93 season, a Notre Dame team beat the Charlie Ward led Noles in the game of the century,31-24. ND & FSU both finished with identical records with only one loss that season & ND had beaten FSU head to head, but the Noles were somehow made #1 due do the politics of that era. Bowden is remembered for success at FSU in the ACC, but he also will always be remembered as the FSU coach who cowered and settled for less by joining FSU football to what was then a basketball conference and deliberately out of fear ducked an invitation to the greatest conference in modern college football history, the SEC. For that Bowden will never be considered a great in the class of his idol Paul “Bear”Bryant.
The SEC does not want or need FSU and they missed out just like Tech, who skipped out on the SEC because of Dodd’s vendetta versus the Bear in over issues in a Tech vs.Bama game. By 1975 Dodd admitted he wrecked Tech when he convinced the Jackets to leave the SEC in the early 70s and really wanted Tech to return to the SEC after they languished years as an Independent. But Dodd had burned to many SEC bridges for Tech to ever return and his Jackets were forced to go to the ACC in 1978. It’s safe to say FSU and Tech will never again have the opportunity of joining the SEC. Go Dawgs, HunkerDown !! Welcome to the SEC, Texas A&M Aggies and the 12th Man tradition. !!

moredelusioanldawgfans

August 13th, 2011
4:02 am

Might as well ask what you rather have, a thirty first preseason national championship or the ability to ignore where you actually stand in the SEC pecking order? Go ahead and start chanting SEC! SEC! SEC! to try to gather some reflected glory from the real football teams that routinely dominate you. You are in good company with Vandy and UK as SEC East bottom dwellers. Silly Dawg fans.

Thomas Brown

August 13th, 2011
4:16 am

Texas A&M ?

Starting 2000, Texas A&M has finished ranked in the AP Poll Top 25 one (1) time and that one (1) year Texas A&M lost to every SEC team they played which was 0-2.

Beating the likes of Baylor Bears, Texas Tech, Florida International whatever that is, a 5-7 Texas, Louisiana Tech, and Stephen F. Austin whatever that is, is not like beating The SEC, now is it ?

Texas A&M is 5-4 vs the lowly ACC.

Texas A&M is 81-73 vs the defunct Big XII – which doesn’t compare to SEC

Texas A&M is 8-8 vs the PAC-10

Texas A&M is 5-9 vs the Big Ten

Texas A&M is 1-3 vs the Big East

Texas A&M is 27-41-1 vs The SEC

39 percent winning percentage vs The SEC

I do not support Texas A&M as some great team to add to the Best Conference in America and see no reason whatsoever for them to have their way out a conference that stinks that they cannot win in either. The SEC already recruits the state of Texas as well as ANY conference. It is too far to drive for Texas parents anyway. And, Texas A&M has a horrible TV ratings and sits in no major city in Texas anyway.

Booby Bowden, fired from his last job against his will, for LOSING did exactly what you said he did in ducking The SEC and joining the stinking ACC. He was quoted repeatedly saying : “What do I look stupid ? Why would I want to play against The SEC ? It is MUCH EASIER to win in the ACC, so I chose to join the ACC because it is EASIER.”