Fan talk: How many wins gets Mark Richt off the ‘hot seat’?

While we cross our fingers and hope that the widespread rumors of academic casualties prove to be nothing more than midsummer fan paranoia, let’s check some Junkyard Mail …

UPDATE: The bad news about Caleb King is official now. He’s been declared academically ineligible. I’ll have more to say later. …

How many wins do the Dogs need to save Mark Richt's job? (Associated Press)

How many wins do the Dogs need to save Mark Richt's job? (Associated Press)

Frank Johnson writes: Seems like every time I get together with my Bulldog buddies, the subject comes up of Mark Richt being on the proverbial “hot seat” and just how many wins this season it will take to keep his job. Looking at the Dawgs’ schedule, I think anything less than 10 wins will be disappointing and grounds for dismissal. What say you?

Only Greg McGarity can possibly say what number of wins would assure Richt’s return and he might not even have made up his mind at this point. Some folks think an 0-2 start could make it tough for Richt to survive the whole season, but I frankly don’t think that’s even a possibility. He could lose the first two and still turn it around. Surely 10 wins guarantees Richt’s continued employment in Athens, but is there any way a 10-2 regular season could be disappointing? Well, if the two losses were to SEC East rivals South Carolina and Florida, I’m sure there’d be grumbling. Still, 10-2 means Richt isn’t going anywhere. Nine wins seems to be the consensus pick for the minimum Richt needs, but, again, it depends on the losses. If they’re blowouts to top rivals, a nine-win season might only lower the temperature a bit on the hot seat. I have heard people make the case that Richt can survive with just eight wins as long as one of them is over the Gators. What do you think? Even with a victory in Jacksonville, four losses still would mean the Dogs lost to someone they probably ought to beat this year.

Daniel Tuohy writes in response to my “numbers” piece the other day: Hi Bill, I’ve seen this “regression to the mean” idea all over the place, and people appear to be a bit confused (as is often the case when probability is involved). So you had this: “if you win or lose an unusually high number of close games in a season, the odds are that you’ll do the opposite the next season to get back to the mean.” That’s not quite right. The point is that in close games luck plays a very important role, and if you lose a whole bunch of them then you were very unlucky. That, however, in no way implies that the opposite will happen the next year (i.e. that you will win the majority of close games). Luck in one season is completely independent of luck in other seasons. The point is that relative to an unlucky season, any other season is likely to be better in comparison. That’s “regression to the mean.” The mean is winning 50% of your close games. So if we won 0% of our close games 2010, then if in 2011 we just hit the mean (not get lucky, just be average) we’ll win 50% of such games and have a much more attractive ledger come December — relative to 2010.

Thanks for the clarification. Yeah, I oversimplified the concept. But I warned you about me and math.

Marion Campbell writes in response to “101 Reasons to Be a UGA Fan”: Saw the listing and did not remember the “Cowboy” and “Moonpie.” Could you elaborate? I grew up in Clemson. My brother played for UGA. I lived in Athens for 10 years. You might find it interesting to know that Clemson’s R. C. Edwards, one time president, was often just called, “RC” and his wife was called “Moon Pie” in reference to the famous country snack duo.

Guard Joel “Cowboy” Parrish and tackle Mike “Moonpie” Wilson were starting offensive tackle and guard on Vince Dooley’s 1976 SEC championship team. Parrish got his nickname when he arrived in Athens as a freshman wearing a 10-gallon cowboy hat. Dan Magill tried to start a legend that Wilson ate moonpies by the carton, but the player really couldn’t stand them. He got the nickname from his round face. Both were All-Americans that season. Parrish played for the Dogs 1973-76 and was named the SEC’s outstanding lineman by the Atlanta Touchdown Club in 1977. He played some pro ball in Canada. Wilson lettered 1974-76. He went on to play with the Bengals and Seahawks and is in the Georgia Sports Hall of Fame. They were a terrific tandem on the OL. Said Dooley: “We never had a better blocking combination.” A favorite memory is from the 1976 win over Alabama. The Dogs were running the veer option using tailback Kevin McLee and two quarterbacks, Matt Robinson (the passer) and Ray Goff (the runner). The massive OL was so good that when Robinson misread a signal from the sideline and ran an option into the strong side of the Tide defense instead of the weak side as intended, he still ended up in the end zone. It was that kind of day.

Dan writes: Bill, Need to mention [South Carolina's win being the] third straight NCAA baseball title for SEC and ninth overall. ACC still has only one (Wake Forest 1955). Miami’s four titles came before they were in the ACC. Speaking of futility, what two schools have the most appearances in the college world series without a title? Answer: FSU with 20 and Clemson with 12. North Carolina with nine is only fourth in futility — GTU, who seems to lose to UGA in the super regionals, has only three appearances with, of course, 0 titles. That ACC sure is a powerful well-rounded conference!

SEC! SEC! Seriously, it might be slight consolation for the Diamond Dogs, but being the team that knocked the eventual College World Series champion out of the SEC tournament provides a notable asterisk to an up-and-down season.

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Joey

July 8th, 2011
1:25 pm

I’m hoping for more, but if the Dawgs win 7, including one over Tech, and Richt keeps his job.

JJ

July 8th, 2011
1:27 pm

Crowell better be as good as advertised now that King is gone…..I can’t believe this crap. We can’t go one season without one of our idiot players getting kicked off of the team, etc.

okiemon

July 8th, 2011
1:27 pm

Frank Jonsin spels purty gud fore a Georgie fann.

Food Lion Bag Boy

July 8th, 2011
1:27 pm

Adman

Yea I be right over to cut that patch of 3 ft patch of grass your having problems with

The directions to your house says your house has mud tires and is in the parking lot behind the bowling ally, it that correct

I take cash, I do not except liquor for payment

Should I carry a weapon for safety

ga gator

July 8th, 2011
1:28 pm

Has anyone actually confirmed that King is gone?

DawginLex

July 8th, 2011
1:29 pm

ga gator

July 8th, 2011
1:29 pm

Lex, I think my ex neighbor is Buckeye and life is very bad for him.

Birdawg

July 8th, 2011
1:29 pm

So who else do we have on the Depth Chart besides Crowell?

DawginLex

July 8th, 2011
1:30 pm

2 running backs with ZERO carries-Malcome and Crowell
1 running back with tons of fumbles-Carlton Thomas

I just threw up in my mouth a little

Football Insider

July 8th, 2011
1:30 pm

CBS Sports is reporting King is gone.

680 The Fan in Atlanta has reported it.

Twitter is going absolutely nuts with it.

I am also hearing another Olineman is going to be academically ineligible as well. Don’t want to say a name just yet.

Flat Tire on I-95 in Jacksonville

July 8th, 2011
1:31 pm

Joey

Seriously beat TECH and he keeps his job

TECH is a has been program,

Please tell me why is it sooooo, important to beat a team whose fanbase cannot even fill a high school stadium

Birdawg

July 8th, 2011
1:31 pm

I am a friend on his twitter page, he says he is gone…..

Sam

July 8th, 2011
1:32 pm

Caleb King needs to GROW UP quick….tough road in the future.

Rip Van Winkle

July 8th, 2011
1:32 pm

CBS Sports is reporting King is gone.

680 The Fan in Atlanta has reported it.

Twitter is going absolutely nuts with it.

I am also hearing another Olineman is going to be academically ineligible as well. Don’t want to say a name just yet.

OH WELL I GUESS I WILL GO BACK TO SLEEP FOR ANOTHER YEAR!

Food Lion Bag Boy

July 8th, 2011
1:33 pm

Dont worry about King dawg fans

THE DREAM TEAM IS COMING

Blahahahahahahahahahahahahah

THE DUDE

July 8th, 2011
1:33 pm

ALL I KNOW IS IF RICHT BEATS ga tech THATS ALL THAT IS NEEDED. ARENT THEY RANKED NO.1 IN THE COUNTRY. THOSE JACKETS ARE THE BEST THERE EVER WAS. IM A TECH GRADUATE OF COURSE.

wolfman

July 8th, 2011
1:35 pm

Yep. SEC is a sports conference and the ACC is an academic conference. At least all of those ACC athletes that don’t go pro can get jobs.

tide roll

July 8th, 2011
1:36 pm

Move Richard Samuel back to Tailback. 6′2″ 230lb. keg of dynamite. 43 td(s) high school jr./sr. year. 80yd. blast vs. Ark. as a Soph, and ya’ll move him to backup LB!! Who does this kind of stuff? It’s wierd. I tell you, I like Boo Malcom, but are his grades in order? Richt/bobo won’t know until it’s too late to help the kid. One’s too busy drinking cold beer, the other working on his tan.

Beast from the East

July 8th, 2011
1:36 pm

DawginLex,
The Demps/Rainey duo ain’t looking so bad to you anymore is it?

Birdawg

July 8th, 2011
1:38 pm

Yeah, we might need to get Samuel back at RB

Blue Max

July 8th, 2011
1:38 pm

Beast from the East, Mack Brown is up to 205lbs to brother.

BulldogBen

July 8th, 2011
1:39 pm

With this year’s schedule, it HAS to be 9 wins to assuage the fan base.

Sadly, I think this is an 8 win team.

Also, whathedawg wins for the post of the day.

tide roll

July 8th, 2011
1:39 pm

Another OL!? It better not be Bean, or you’re toast.

ga gator

July 8th, 2011
1:40 pm

I went to the Gday game with my wife and I thought that Malcom was easlily the best back on the field and he looks to have some size too.

UGADawg83

July 8th, 2011
1:40 pm

How many lame blogs can Bill King write and still keep his job.

Football Insider

July 8th, 2011
1:40 pm

tide roll…

you hit the nail on the head.

DawginLex

July 8th, 2011
1:40 pm

Demps/Rainey in a prostyle offense?

Lots of questions there too.

At least they have carried a ball in a real game so they do have that going for them.

I am actually not all that upset if this is true because now richt will have to play Malcome and Crowell. They are both freshmen in eligibility and they can grow together.

Ealey was a cancer and King just couldn’t cut it academically(apparently).

time for a fresh start.

Flat Tire on I-95 in Jacksonville

July 8th, 2011
1:41 pm

Well, I was more impressed with the Malcolm kid during the spring game

But Im sure he’s not ready, he doesnt know how to block or know the plays

DawginLex

July 8th, 2011
1:42 pm

Richard Samuel is not the answer. He is going to start at linebacker now that Jarvis Jones won’t be playing.

We have one fumble machine in Carlton Thomas.

We don’t need another one in Samuel

tide roll is a moron

Reebok

July 8th, 2011
1:43 pm

Tech fan here…Georgia has a very favorable schedule his year (and before anybody jumps all over me, Yes, my Jackets do also). That said, I don’t think UGA will fire Coach Richt for a 9-3 season, unless the 3 are to some combination of Florida, GT, Auburn & Tennessee.

The one thing that (IMHO) will sink the season and Richt’s tenure at UGA is a serious injury to Aaron Murray. If the Dogs lose Murray, they will be in a similar situation to my Jackets last year after losing Nesbitt…out of contention and lucky to win another game.

Happy Friday to all the college football fans out there…

BulldogBen

July 8th, 2011
1:43 pm

Nothing is given but I think most would say Dawgs will be favored in the following:

Coastal Carolina
Ole Miss
UT
Vandy
New Mexico St.
UK
Georgia Tech

That’s 7 wins.

Where are the other 2 coming from:

Boise
USC
Miss St.
UF
Auburn

I can’t see us being favored in any of those except maybe Miss St. Auburn will be a toss up.

Flat Tire on I-95 in Jacksonville

July 8th, 2011
1:44 pm

Let me tell you kool-aid drinkers something

If Richt cannot come up with 10 wins with this easy schedule and lose to FL who has a whole new coaching staff then he needs to step down

and refund the $3 million for this year

John

July 8th, 2011
1:44 pm

He’s got to beat Florida! The only way he can get by with losing to Florida again is if the gators are really, really good this year and I don’t see that happening with John Brantley at QB and a first-year head coach. If he loses to Florida again, he needs to go. Honestly, I don’t think the Boise game should have much of an impact, because it’s a nonconference game, but South Carolina is a must-win. THe good thing is that we have the game in Athens.

Beast from the East

July 8th, 2011
1:45 pm

DawginLex,
I’m telling ya to watch out for both of ‘em this year. They are pure burners and I’m hearing Weis (aka Cheeseburger Charlie) is going to be very creative in finding ways to get those two the ball in space. Our biggest question will be our lines on both sides of the ball. While very talented, also very thin. Much like UGA, we won’t be able to afford many missed games due to injuries or supsensions.

Brian

July 8th, 2011
1:48 pm

If we’re talking about the regular season, anything less than 9 wins is unacceptable. Georgia doesn’t have to play alabama OR LSU, so the only tough teams they play from the West are Miss State and Auburn, who should be rebuilding. Miss State will be a good team, but since the game is between the hedges, it’s a game Georgia needs to win if they want to win the East. If they do worse than 9-3 with the type of quarterback that they have, there is no reason Mark Richt should keep his job.

ga gator

July 8th, 2011
1:48 pm

John I agree that the Gators are iffiy at best this year. One things all Gators are hoping for is that Weis does some similar majic with Brantley as he did with a 6th round draft pick from Michigan by the name of Tom Brady. Incidently, Brady’s QB coach at Michigan who coached him down to a 6th round pick was none other than Scott Loefler who was Brantley’s coach last year and happily Muschamp fired his sorry behind.

Food Lion Bag Boy

July 8th, 2011
1:48 pm

King couldnt pass Picking up the Beer Cans after the game 101

wow

BigDawg11

July 8th, 2011
1:49 pm

Bean is fine. His test scores came back with good news.

Brian

July 8th, 2011
1:49 pm

Let me tell you kool-aid drinkers something

If Richt cannot come up with 10 wins with this easy schedule and lose to FL who has a whole new coaching staff then he needs to step down

and refund the $3 million for this year

I agree with you completely, no more excuses for Richt, if they lose to Florida again, he’s got to be fired.

MD

July 8th, 2011
1:49 pm

Got to win 10 in ‘11 and ‘12, + beat UF this year and next year to get off of the hot seat in my opinion.

DawginLex

July 8th, 2011
1:49 pm

flat tire

we are not going to win 10 games and beat florida with 1 running back returning who has actually carried a football during a live game

I’d say richt is done unless McGarity gives him a pass.

However, who’s fault is it that we are in this mess?

Richt

If the defense plays lights out and we can generate enough offense from Murray, we can maybe win 9 games. If the 3 losses are close hard fought games, you could make the argument that richt should stay.

11 years is a long time though. It may just be time for it to end.

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July 8th, 2011
1:50 pm

Beast from the East

July 8th, 2011
1:51 pm

ga gator,
I see us (UF) at about 8-4 and battling it out with the Dawgs for second place in the East? What’s your take?

ga gator

July 8th, 2011
1:52 pm

DawginLex, I would not fire him even then unless you already had Petersen or Mullin lined up. Mullin was my first choice to replace Meyer, but Foley has had pretty good success except for Zook and Zook never had a chance to start with.

Will

July 8th, 2011
1:52 pm

I was really starting to pick up hope for my Dawgs in 2011 but it looks like another rebuilding year. The sad thing is who really cares anymore? I think college football is about to lose popularity.

BigDawg11

July 8th, 2011
1:53 pm

Will,

How is it going to be a rebuilding year? Im sorry but if fans were basing our season off of Caleb King, then we were doomed to begin with.

THE MARK RICHT FAREWELL TOUR

July 8th, 2011
1:53 pm

CALEB KING BEEN KICKED OFF THE TOUR…….HAHA

ga gator

July 8th, 2011
1:53 pm

Beast, either 2 or 3 losses depending on the game in Jax, but Carolina is loaded as long as Spurrier can keep Garcia from getting loaded.

Flat Tire on I-95 in Jacksonville

July 8th, 2011
1:55 pm

DawginLex

Come on man dont dash my hopes,

I have been drinking the DREAM TEAM Kool-Aid all summer

Dont dash my hopes now

Birdawg

July 8th, 2011
1:55 pm

With King gone, we have not one bit of experience in the backfield, this is going to be a long year. Murray might have to get tommy john surgery after the season with all the throwing that will be done this year.