Simply Saturday: Adding some Dawgs to list of college-only legends

Simply Saturday: David Greene left college as the winningest quarterback, but didn't achieve NFL stardom. (Associated Press)

Simply Saturday: David Greene left college as the winningest quarterback, but didn't achieve NFL stardom. (Associated Press)

ESPN.com spent the past week trotting out its Simply Saturday series, a countdown of the 50 greatest college players who didn’t go on to become great NFL players.

Ohio State’s Archie Griffin topped the list, which was heavy on names from Notre Dame, Nebraska, Oklahoma and FSU. Strangely, only five SEC players were included, and three of them were from Auburn.

No Georgia Bulldogs made the list, possibly because many of UGA’s best-known players have gone on to long and occasionally even stellar careers in pro football. But ESPN SEC blogger Chris Low did include a couple of Bulldog defensive legends on his own Simply Saturday list: David Pollack, whose NFL career was ended prematurely by a neck injury, and Scott Woerner, who played mainly in the USFL after a brief stint in the NFL.

I’m not sure it’s really fair for a list of Simply Saturday stars to include players like Pollack or running back Robert Edwards, who might well have had hugely successful NFL careers had they not fallen victim to injuries, but there are quite a few other Bulldogs who achieved All-America status in college and yet didn’t make much of a name in the NFL.

Like linemen Ray Rissmiller, George Patton and Joel Parrish, for instance. And defensive backs Jeff Sanchez, Bill Krug and, more recently, Greg Blue, who’s been playing in Canada. And All-America running back Tim Worley, who showed promise as an NFL rookie but saw his career fall off quickly amid injuries and suspensions.

And then there are the Dawgs who didn’t make the All-America lists but won plenty of college plaudits that didn’t translate into NFL success, like All-SEC running backs Willie McClendon and Musa Smith, and quarterbacks Eric Zeier and David Greene.

In fact, you can make a good case that Greenie really should have been included in ESPN’s Simply Saturday Top 50, since he finished at UGA as the then all-time winningest college football quarterback but never got to play in a regular season game during his brief career as an NFL backup. If that’s not Simply Saturday material, what is?

Feel free to share your thoughts on any other Dogs who ought to make a list of Simply Saturday legends.

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wreckmaniac

July 4th, 2011
11:44 am

italian_29. Not exactly. How you guys continue to revise history is amazing. Don’t ket the facts get in the way of the UGA “tradition”. Tradition is not what you dream up . It is simply a pack of facts.

chazzo

July 4th, 2011
12:28 pm

T Brown: While I agree with you that some of the hype surrounding Murray is not deserved and, quite frankly, detrimental, a few of your points don’t add up.

For instance, saying that Murray stole carries from the running backs is an odd statement. If he took off running on a passing play, how is that stealing a run from a back? Also, a QBs rushing avg. includes sacks. So, he may have picked up 20 on a designed rushing play but lost 19 because of a couple of sacks.

Also, AJ was out the first four games of Murray’s college career. 2 of those teams had very good D-lines and excellent offenses. I think there are far more variables involved than AJ’s absence.

Murray is good. You are right to contest the Heisman BS and even that he is the best in the SEC. You are not right to cook up a bunch of sketchy stats to run the guy in the dirt.

There are a smorgasbord of great, winning college QBs who never go pro or make it once they are there. The UGA offense needs a manager, not necessarily a gun slinger. Give me a good, solid QB who knows the playbook over a superstar any day.

Top Dawg

July 4th, 2011
12:42 pm

Flat Tire on I-95 in Jacksonville

July 4th, 2011
1:03 pm

cheezo

I and Thomas Brown have given you the facts where are yours bud I’m still waiting. And by the way I have never said fire Richt because he hasnt won a NC. Once again you blurt out crap with no facts.

Why dont you join your buddies Altama-tard, and Rocket Mouth and find you another blog. Im sure its called the UGA kool-aid blog

Paddy

July 4th, 2011
1:08 pm

I’m glad we have Murray on our side this season. Some of you guys talk like he could not make a good Pop Warner team! Give the guy a break and let him play and lets see what happens. I for one think we are in for a very good season.

Doublewide

July 4th, 2011
2:07 pm

Herschel Walker

tar and feathers party

July 4th, 2011
4:49 pm

Fire Mark’s Rectum NOW! War Eagles R # 1

chazzo

July 4th, 2011
9:49 pm

flat tire: you and thomas brown are probably one and the same. Once again you show that complete lack of ability to have rational discussion or to consider someone else’s point of view. This will be the last time that I knowingly post a response to anything you say. This will be the last time I knowingly read one of your posts. I say knowingly because you frequently change your name. Later oh flatulent one.

sldkfjslk

July 4th, 2011
11:07 pm

David Greene was good because he had a great defense who gave him chances to win. That O-line we had his sophomore season was one of the best we ever had. 2002, 1997 and 1992 the best lines in the past 20 years.

sldkfjslk

July 4th, 2011
11:11 pm

The only reason Donnan was fired was because Tech beat him three years in a row with ineligible players. That and he hired some bad assistants after his first batch got hired away. Oh, and he forgot to kiss the right butts in Athens but I don’t blame him for that. We need someone to stand up to the UGA puddle sharks.

flat tire on the altamaha

July 4th, 2011
11:20 pm

Mark Richt is the dawgs coach.

Thomas Brown

July 5th, 2011
12:03 am

chazzo,

Thank you for noting my point, that hyping this coaching staff assembled by Mark Richt and hyping these recruits we give credit to Mark Richt for bringing here, is detrimental to their attitude. Never mind that they don’t deserve it with us having to go all the way back to 1953 to find a worse season with more losses than we just put up; it is the wrong type of motivational effort on our part as fans. Instead, we should be telling them that all of this bad publicity off the field with all the kids just quitting the coaching staff here and transferring out, and all the excuses for all the feigned injuries and missed games such as specifically Caleb Darnell King and all the bad publicity on the field losing to the likes last season to Florida for the 8th time in 10 Mark Richt tries, losing to Colorado who ended the season with a 5-7 record 2 games under .500 and would have been a 4-win team without the win over us, and losing to Missy State who clearly doesn’t have the talent we have but certainly out-coached us in that blow-out loss to them too along with the loss to Central Florida whatever the heck that is – that all this bad publicity on the field is intolerable, unacceptable and must be corrected forthwith. That the players should be motivated by us all telling the kids that they must GATA against lesser teams and that they must GATA vs the really truly great teams and stop (1) losing every game against the great teams and (2) stop losing the lousy teams.

But, chazzo sir, 1.9 yards a carry is a sorry average to steal 8 carries a game from the running backs here. You are really wrong to come post on AJ-C blogs how great a runner he is, that he is a dual-threat quarterback and telling him that he is a great runner from the quarterback position. He is anything but. He is too small and not fast enough to establish himself as a dual-threat quarterback. He is a passer in a pass-happy offense. He calls his own number on every single play all season long. He is a ball hog. He either checks off at the line to him running or passing the ball, or he allows the play calls from the sidelines to be the play he does call, calling for his number on every play. Don’t get me wrong. He was our best player. He just cannot run the football. The quicker he learns that, the better chance we have of : (1) actually making 1st Downs (2) actually converting 3rd Down Conversions (3) not having our quarterback sacked (4) not losing to the lousy teams on our schedule and (5) actually getting out of this offensive funk that has seen us all 10 years of the Mark Richt era average the # 52 Total Offense in the nation.

I am well aware of how college football calculates running the football. Don’t presume you are somehow smarter or know more about college football than I. Condescending comments about your knowledge of college football does you great injustice, when you are actually a very good football fan. Get to the point that you feel that itty-bitty Aaron Murray should be running the football, in your opinion. We prepared no one, as we never do, to take over in case of his injury and he sucks at it.

Cam Newton ran for 20 Touchdowns last season alone and 1473 yards rushing for an average of 5.5 yards a carry, not the paltry 1.9 yards a carry of little Aaron Murray. There is no way that Aaron Murray should be stealing 8 carries a game from his tailbacks. He should get the ball into their hands on all 8 of those carries, every game, as his goal 2011. By the way, Cam Newton threw 30 TD passes, not 19 vs 8 teams who finished not in the AP Poll Top 25 and only 5 vs 5 teams who did finish in the AP Poll Top 25. In fact, Cam Newton won 7 games against teams who finished in the Top 25. Little Aaron Murray was 0-5 vs teams who finished in the AP Poll Top 25. And Aaron Murray lost 2 games to teams who did not finish in the Top 25. All 7 of the games Aaron Murray lost as our Starting QB, the opposing quarterback had far greater games that day on the field head-to-head than he.

These are not sketchy stats :

# 72 in the nation at even getting a 1st Down

# 56 in the nation at Converting 3rd Downs

# 55 in the nation Total Offense

We are a horrible offense and spare me the excuses chazzo.

I am not running him in the dirt, the fans of Mark Richt and Aaron Murray are running him into the dirt; while I merely point out the obvious. (1) He is too small and too slow to run the football in The SEC (2) He is a poor leader off the field and worse yet on the field (3) He, like David Greene, have a win percentage as Starting QB here at UGA (4) He is a poor evaluator of what assets his offense does have (5) He did no better with A. J. Green than he did without A. J. Green, in fact he did worse. The losses to Colorado, Central Florida and to Florida – all teams we should have beat – occurred after A. J. Green was back on the team, not selling his Jersey from a Shreveport Bowl Game for $1000.

Thomas Brown

July 5th, 2011
1:14 am

sldkfjslk,

Mark Richt was handed a great Offensive Line here at UGA by Jim Donnan. He then totally ignored his OL and recruited guys who were already injured and never played a down as a direct result. Our fans said what a great guy he was when he recruited players who were injured goods on the OL, when other sharks such as Urban Meyer, Les Miles, Nick Saban, Jim Tressel, Pete Carroll, Bob Stoops, Steve Spurrier, Joe Paterno, Gary Patterson, Gene Chizik, Mack Brown, Chris Petersen, Bronco Mendenhall, Kyle Whittingham, Frank Beamer, Brian Kelly, Bret Bielema, Bobby Petrino and Dan Mullen would never have recruited them injured as they already were in high school.

But, Mark Richt is such a nice guy. A good Christian. And, that is what is said about Mark Richt. It is not said that in this state finding but 3 other states with more high school recruits who go on to the NFL, that Mark Richt averages over all 11 classes now, the # 7 average rank averaging both Rivals and Scout.com over the entire 11 years now.

It is not said that he is 3-9 vs teams who finished AP Top 10 all 10 years

It is not said that he has lost 10 games vs teams who did not finish AP Top 25 all 10 years

Just that he is such a nice guy.

We have bubble-recruited our OL every single year of the Mark Richt era.

He either signs every OL in the nation, or he signs none of consequence.

He has done this repeatedly.

Would you say that it is a well-known fact that we need OL here at UGA today ?

Mark Richt recruited two 3-star and two 4-star OL 2011. 1 of the 4-star is under-sized. So is 1 of the 3-star. They are ranked 40, 28, 41 and 23. Now, give me a break.

2010 One OL ranked # 90, one 4-star ranked # 10 who was injured in high school and since quit the team, duh, and transferred out, one under-sized guard ranked # 6.

2009 One 4-star ranked # 6 who never has done anything, one ranked # 20 who likewise hasn’t shown a thing, and one 3-star under-sized who may or may not pan out.

2008 three OL recruited a 3-star ranked # 39, a 4-star ranked # 15 who is an NFL stud, and a 4-star ranked # 10 who has quit the team and transferred out too.

2007 Eight (8) OL recruited by Mark Richt in one season. And, he wonders why he bubble-recruits the OL position ? He has done this continually, and then he is lucky the following years to get any. Why is this ? 8 in one class signed by Mark Richt ? Seriously stupid recruiting.

2006 Right before he signed 8 in 2007, he signed 5 OL in 2006. Sounds pretty desperate in recruiting OL, to sign 13 OL enough for 3-Deep at 3 positions and 2-Deep at the other 2 all in 2 classes.

2005 one ranked # 36 in the nation an under-sized OL

2004 two OL recruited all of 2004, one of whom was injured

2003 Seven (7) OL recruited all in one class, then I presume he wonders why he has bubble-recruited the OL his entire bloody 11 years here, this great guy Mark Richt and wonderful recruiter in this hotbed of high school OL whom he could have targeted every single year, instead.

2002 Five (5) OL recruited and signed. A total of 12 OL in 2 classes 2002 and 2003.

sldkfjslk

Thank you for bringing up the OL and how Mark Richt has bubble-recruited the OL all 11 recruiting classes

sldkfjslk

Richt

July 5th, 2011
3:03 pm

Sec Championships since 2001
LSU 3
UGA 2
Florida 2
Auburn 2
Bama 1
Those are the facts , judgeing Murray with his rushing stats , when sacks are decuted from those stats clearly TB you are an idiot.

DawginLex

July 5th, 2011
3:57 pm

Thomas Brown is aka Bulldawg. He changes his handle like a TROLL does.

I would add some names to the list:

Ben Zambiasi since he only played in Canada
Mack Guest-All SEC OL but never played pro ball

TB/Bulldawg

You get on here year after year after year and gripe and whine about Coach Richt. You spout your stats ad nauseum.

What are you trying to accomplish?
We all know we went 6-7 last year.
We all know Richt needs to win now in a big way.

What do you want, some attention?
A friend?

Go get a dam puppy and quit posting 5 page blog posts.

mdr

July 5th, 2011
5:25 pm

Greene should have been in the top 10.

@RetroDawg: You may be the single biggest idiot on all of the AJC blogs, and that is saying A LOT! What the hell has AJ EVER done to deserve to be called a THUG??? He sold a JERSEY that BELONGED TO HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!! It may be against NCAA rules, but NO LAWS WERE BROKEN IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. He has NEVER in his life run afoul of the law, IN ANY WAY. Unreal that you call yourself a DAWG!

chazzo

July 5th, 2011
8:00 pm

What about Danny Wuerfel? Is he on that list?

old time dog

July 6th, 2011
8:12 am

Can’t wait to see what we got. Glad eYe still look forward to it each year. My biggest hope is for the defense to be strong. Been a while since we’ve seen that. Maybe the horses are in place but eYe gotta wonder if we can solidify things to where they work.

Jordan

July 6th, 2011
10:09 am

Where is Georgia going to finish in the East this year? Check out my predictions here:

http://isportsweb.com/2011/07/06/2011-sec-east-predictions/