File the latest Ohio State absurdity under Believe It Or Not!

Jim Tressel apparently outranks Ohio State University's president. (Associated Press)

Jim Tressel apparently outranks Ohio State University's president. (Associated Press)

I’m sure I wasn’t the only colllege football fan left slack-jawed while reading about the latest scandal involving future UGA opponent Ohio State.

And I’m not talking about Jim Tressel being suspended for a measly two games and fined $250,000 by his school after it came out he’d conducted a massive cover-up last season of NCAA violations by five of his players — the same five Tressel lobbied the NCAA not to suspend until this season so he’d finally have a chance to get a win over an SEC team in a bowl game.

And my amazement wasn’t even due to the incredible disparity between the protracted, kid-gloves handling of the OSU investigation compared with the speedy hammering of A.J. Green by the NCAA for a similar infraction as committed by the Buckeye players, resulting in Mark Richt having to open a season without his main offensive threat while Tressel got to arrange his team’s sanction so that it did the least harm. Life is unfair, as Jimmy Carter once said, but we already knew that.

No, what gobsmacked me this morning while reading about Tresselgate was the reply of E. Gordon Gee, president of the Ohio State University, when asked if he ever considered firing Tressel for what he’d done.

“No, are you kidding me?” Gee answered. “Let me be very clear. I’m just hoping the coach doesn’t dismiss me.”

Wow. I’m no Michael Adams booster, but I can’t even begin to imagine UGA’s president ever uttering such a spineless comment.

Meanwhile, the NCAA, which hasn’t exactly covered itself in glory as college football’s watchdog this past year, has a perfect example of its dreaded “lack of institutional control” sitting right out in the open in Columbus, Ohio, but they apparently can’t see it for the sweater-vest.

What a joke.

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229 comments Add your comment

GR82BAG8R

March 9th, 2011
6:54 pm

Even better, point to the Ohio State football team and yell “The Plane The Plane” over and over and over.

cfnfdnff

March 9th, 2011
7:10 pm

BUCKEYE4LIFE
March 9th, 2011
4:27 pm

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Phil

March 9th, 2011
7:48 pm

Don’t be so quick to judge the “light” punishment, yet. The players involved will be suspended the first five games next year-a steeper price than A.J. Green paid this past season- I agree, that the suspension should’ve also included the Sugar Bowl, although I’m convinced that thaat was due to the Sugar Bowl’s plea to the NCAA that suspension would ruin their game. As for Tressel, that was only the University punishments. I find it hard to believe that there won’t be some loss of scholarships added to it. I do take issue with calling it a “cover-up.” he didn’t try to hide the info, just didn’t report it. Both are bad-but covering it up is a lot worse.

GR82BAG8R

March 9th, 2011
8:32 pm

Phil, don’t try to defend Tressel. He signed a statement telling the NCAA they were in compliance, knowing full well they weren’t

Referee

March 9th, 2011
8:52 pm

Nottingham,
I am sure that all other schools have bad eggs in their program. They just hide them. At least Georgia tells the truth when asked. Can you or Ohio state? Good question.

Bawbie

March 9th, 2011
8:52 pm

Fire Dave Perno !

Damon Evans

March 9th, 2011
8:54 pm

Jim Tressel is “Good People” Red panties and red sweater vests are all good !

Tide Rising

March 9th, 2011
10:20 pm

This is not the first time for Ohio State to skate. We always enjoy retelling an NCAA favorite. Former Ohio State star Maurice Clarett and OSU admitted that he received thousands of dollars in impermissible benefits and there were also allegations of academic fraud. The NCAA never investigated the matter.

An NCAA statement that tops even “Didn’t know” was that they had been unable to investigate the matter because Clarett had not returned their phone calls. No, you cannot make this stuff up.

As we have pointed out, Clarett spent several years in prison in Ohio and if NCAA investigators had taken him a carton of cigarettes he would have been singing like a canary.

Richie

March 9th, 2011
10:22 pm

Its all about the money boys!!!!!!!!!!

Tide Rising

March 9th, 2011
10:34 pm

Who defends the NCAA today? Certainly not Alabama, which suffered unprecedented penalties at the hands of an organization that did not attempt to hide its prejudice against a member institution. Instead, the NCAA broke its own rules in pursuit of a conviction against Alabama.

In addition to breaking its own rules in the Alabama case the organization used what we have since learned was certainly questionable “secret” testimony from Tennessee Coach Phil Fulmer, who had a dog in a fight he could not win on a level playing field. How this can be considered fair by anyone is beyond reason.

Georgia? The Bulldogs star receiver, A.J. Green, was sentenced to an immediate — repeat, immediate — four-game suspension for selling a jersey.

In broad terms, five Ohio State football players, including star quarterback Terrelle Pryor, have been selling all manner of items they have received because they are Buckeyes. They were also guilty (as admitted by Ohio State) of trading on their status as college athletes for extra benefits. (And these benefits were not schoolbooks, which resulted in hefty penalties for Alabama a few years ago. They were for tattoos.) Extra benefits for the players go back for two years for some.

We’ve been saying for years that the NCAA is a corrupt, arbitrary, and capricious organization that would not stand up to congressional nor public scrutiny. The drastically unequal punishments should finally wake some people up to this fact.

Why the unequal punishments for the Pac 10, ND, and the Big 10? Why would there be favoritism towards the Pac-10, the Big Ten, and Notre Dame? A few decades ago there was a move afoot to have the major football conferences form a College Football Association. The Pac-10 and the Big Ten, which had the lucrative Rose Bowl arrangement, failed to come aboard, as did Notre Dame, and the NCAA was saved.

Incompetent? Corrupt? Both??

I am Bill King

March 9th, 2011
10:47 pm

God, I am a Valdosta State Grad who acts like a UGA grad. please forgive me for being an ignorant hick.

DawgVoiceofReason

March 9th, 2011
11:37 pm

The NCAA needs to lower the Hammer on these OSU clowns. What kind of President is this Gee fool? He needs to resign on principle alone. If selling one jersey merits 4 games to a single player or 10 games for a conversation with D. Sanders, then a coach repeatedly denying knowledge of multiple players’ multiple violations and in such a way that they directly benefited from his failure to report those violations, easily merits a full season’s suspension, without pay. Anything less is blatant hypocrisy.

Robert

March 9th, 2011
11:41 pm

How do they pale in comparison to Bruce Pearl? Let’s see, Pearl hosted a barbecue to which he invited 3 committed players. They would have been allowed there if they were seniors, but since they were juniors, it was a secondary violation. No competitive advantage gained, just a bonehead move. Then, Pearl lied about it when confronted. Stupid. A few weeks later, he came clean.

Tressel knew of 5 players in April who had compromised their eligibility by receiving illegal compensation for merchandise sold and he did nothing about it. He then conspired with an attorney to cover it up by getting the merchandise back. Then, in September, he signed an NCAA form saying that he had no knowledge of any wrongdoings…not just a lie, a signed statement lie. He actually gained a competitive advantage (unlike Pearl) in playing those players all year. Then, when the truth about the sold merchandise came out in December, he petitioned for (and received) a light treatment, never owning up to prior knowledge. Not only has he refused to own up to his lie, but he’s appealed their postponed suspension for next season. And at the PC today, he was arrogant and unapologetic.

No, Bruce Pearl is not in the same ballpark as Jim Tressel. That’s like comparing Barney Fife to Elliot Ness.

DawgVoiceofReason

March 9th, 2011
11:46 pm

Phil,

Do you really make a distinction between “not reporting” and “covering up”??? If so, please explain the clear (apparently to you) difference between the two. I mean really, are you going to say that “covering up” would have required effort or intent or willful actions? Please make it something more meaningful than that. The man was given multiple opportunities to disclose or report what he knew and he deliberately chose not to do so.

DawgVoiceofReason

March 9th, 2011
11:52 pm

Tide Rising,

I dont’ know whether Alabama got what they deserved or not, but if the NCAA fails to act swiftly and decisively in this case, then your points about corruption or incompetence will have been well made.

Tide Rising

March 9th, 2011
11:58 pm

A head coach covering up violations is about as big a major violation as you can have. Its called lack of institutional control and always results in a major penalty such as lost schollys, bowl ban,etc. Plain and simple but somehow or another OSU will skate.

The first Bama probation ever was for the exact same thing. Gene Stallings found out after the fact that a star player had signed a contract with a sports agent on a napkin earlier in the season and Stallings wasn’t forthcoming with it. The result-Bama’s first ever major probation which if I remember correctly resulted in the loss of 15 schollys. Think OSU will get in trouble for Tressel doing the exact same thing in not revealing a violatin? Nope. Aint gonna happen.

Tide Rising

March 10th, 2011
12:09 am

Dawgvoiceofreason,

We certainly deserved to be put on probation in the early 2000s. 2 renegade boosters were buying a player to come to Bama. I’ve no problem with that.

My problem is that of the 3 violations we got hit on the ncaa violated their own statute of limitations in one of the 3 violations after we self reported the violation. They acknowledged this but didn’t care.

And also in another of the 3 major violations the investigator fabricated evidence in the case of violation-this was later proven in court documents and depostions with witnesses.

This same investigator has been implicated in seveal other cases- Jackie Sherrill at MSU,Tarkanian at UNLV- for fabricating evidence. In the UNLV case on one of the violations the NCAA obtained a conviction by telling a Sudanese player that he and his family would be deported back to war torn Sudan where they would surely be killed if the player didn’t go along with the fabricated violation. In the end Tark won an enormous judgement against the NCAA. A lot of people don’t realize all this happened. This is how politicize and slimy the NCAA is.

My other problem is using a rival coach as a “secret witness”. That violates all sense of due process and fair play.

These are a few of the reasons why we Bama fans have an axe to grind with the NCAA.

dawg48

March 10th, 2011
3:03 am

sounds like buckeyes pride is hurt just a little

UGA FRIEND

March 10th, 2011
4:35 am

As several posters have pointed out, the NCAA has not taken action yet. Give them due time to act. It seems like the majority of the blogs who want OSU to be punished are just doing so because they want to be heard as the saints or judges of something they know nothing about. I am not an OSU fan but I don`t understand why
so many people get so uptight about something that does not affect them personally.

Bama Fan #2

March 10th, 2011
4:44 am

Tide Rising you are the man!! The head coach at Ohio St pulled a Richard Nixon watergate
theme COVERUP and got trapped in his lies. Michigan fans are loving this story!!!

Retnav

March 10th, 2011
6:16 am

SEC the cleanest programs in college football. GIVE ME A BREAK!!! And Georgia fans let me ask you what Juvy lockup does your coach recruit at. It seems like a lot of his players end up in lineups at some police station. I’m not saying Ohio State deserves any break, but please don’t whine about how unfair the NCAA is to the poor old SEC. We all know that all big time programs have stuff going on just some get caught and some don’t it’s just OSU’s turn. And one other thing UGA fans. All I hear about is SEC this SEC that what about UGA this and UGA that? Thats right you can’t talk about your team because your almost on the hine teet of your conference. All you can do is hang your hat on your conference because you can’t on your beloved Dawgs.

Dean Tate

March 10th, 2011
6:41 am

Yeah, but Randall Godfrey and David Pollack attended Ray Drew’s signing ceremony. Now THERE is a real crime!

catlady

March 10th, 2011
6:50 am

I am under the impression that when Gee was president at Vandy, HE was the control-er. What happened?

legionaire

March 10th, 2011
6:53 am

The NCAA has always been selective in their punishment or even investigations. Do you think that John Wooden was able to win 6 straight NCAA Championships with not even a hint of big money being given to his players? How about the Bear? Never had any trouble with the NCAA at elephantville. How many players did he sign and hide over the years? What did it take for Namath to come to the sticks to play ball? Finally the Cam Newton traveling show did not even get a smell yet from the NCAA.

Alabama Jack

March 10th, 2011
7:01 am

To whomever commented about my spelin, I be a proud product of the Jawga educatrional and correctional system.

Mulk

March 10th, 2011
7:13 am

It alweays amazes me to hear King or Bonehart denigrate any other program. They don’t have mirrors or memories where they come from?

UGA? R U Kidding

March 10th, 2011
7:25 am

Too bad OSU can’t have a little more class and integirty like UGA! Michael Adams, UGA President:
“There was urination, there was defecation, there were 70 tons of trash. Buildings like the Law School or the library, we’ve had to close because when we left them open the destruction was too significant.”

Willie Spanker

March 10th, 2011
7:38 am

The sweater vest is immune from NCAA sanctions and certain parts of the Geneva Convention.

Cool Jerk

March 10th, 2011
7:50 am

Is this the time of the offseason where Georgia fans act like they’re being persecuted in some way?

“LIFE IS SO UNFAIR!” says the losers who think their program is still elite…

Buckeye

March 10th, 2011
8:01 am

GT,

FYI, I posted all day yesterday on Bradley’s blog. No, I’m not Nottingham. I have more character than to change my name on a freakin’ blog.

Bob

March 10th, 2011
8:02 am

The NCAA needs to go. A player selling something at market value that they own should not be any business of the NCAA. Now the dogs have to jump through hoops because one of their recruits had 2 ex dogs at his signging ceremony. They are looking at 5 violations for 2 players showing up. The NCAA has to many lawyers, 5 violations for this ?

Buckeye

March 10th, 2011
8:10 am

jssmooth, cpo and bulldawg country,

As evidenced by Bradley’s blog, I was in the ring yesterday. I didn’t run and hide, didn’t take my toys and go home, didn’t hide under the desk.

Hope you boys have a good day.

Buckeye

Cool Jerk

March 10th, 2011
8:10 am

Say what you want about the rule (I personally think it’s dumb), but Pollack and Godfrey should have known better.

Even as an Auburn fan, I admired Pollack as a player. But he is an absolute buffoon and makes Georgia football look bad. You ever listen to him on 790? The guy is dumber than a bag of bricks.

Buckeye

March 10th, 2011
8:16 am

Tattoos? Look at your own boys arms and necks. They will be on display at the Ga Dome at noon and at your football complex during (fomerly know as Mat Drills) workouts.

Player arrests? None

Tressel? No defense. A kick in the gut.

Schedule? No one except Ohio State schedules soft games ealry. Ya, right.

Predictions:

2010 – vacated
Sugar Bowl – vacated ( crap, we’re 0-9 again. Ha!)
Tatt 5 – no additional punishment, no reduction in suspension
Tressel – resigns sooner than later
Starting QB – Braxton Miller, FR
Next coach – not Urban Meyer

I’m available….take you shots.

BMDPD

March 10th, 2011
8:17 am

Buckeye, to be the smack talker that you usually are, you are handling this with grace. I applaud you for that.

Buckeye

March 10th, 2011
8:29 am

BMDPD,

Thank you. I feel most for the kids on the team and the incoming class. As usual, the kids that has zerp to do with any of this get screwed. Guess that’s the risk you run.

TR

March 10th, 2011
8:30 am

THE NCAA NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED. IT IS AS CORRUPT AS ANYTHING ANYWHERE. ANYONE WHO HAS EVER HAD DEALINGS WITH THESE PEOPLE REALIZE THIS. THE FACT THAT DR ADAMS OF UGA WAS EVEN BEING CONSIDERED FOR A POST SHOULD PROVE THE POINT. IT IS POLITICAL BEYOND SENSIBILITY. CERTAIN FAIR HAIRED SCHOOLS ARE ABOVE THE LAW.

UGA NEVER GOT IN TROUBLE UNTIL THE 1980′S WHEN UGA AND OKLA U FILED SUIT AGAINST THE NCAA TO ALLOW CABLE TO TELEVISE FOOTBALL GAMES. THAT BROKE THE NCAA MONOPLOY. WITH 2-3 YRS BOTH SCHOOLS WERE “GUILTY” OF SOME VIOLATIONS.

Buckeye

March 10th, 2011
8:30 am

dawgs everywhere,

May Isaiah Crowell be everything you hope him to be, on and off the field. Terrelle Pryor teaches us Prima Donna’s may cost more than they’re worth.

supsalemgr

March 10th, 2011
8:36 am

I tend to agree with Buckeye that Tressel will be gone. It is becoming more clear he purposely witheld the information about five players. His resignation might be part of a deal for OSU not to vacate 2010, but I would not be surprised if they don’t get some pretty heavy penalties.

GABuckeye

March 10th, 2011
8:38 am

I have often wondered why there seems to be so much concern and hatred for Ohio State coming from SEC fans and mainly UGA fans. Why does anyone down here even care what happens to Ohio State? I hear all of this talk about “Ohio State cant beat an SEC team” how many of those SEC losses where to UGA? does it really make you that proud that another team beat Ohio State? Do you really have that little going on in your program that you are concerned with what happens in an Ohio State game? Ohio State does get a lot of chances to play in BCS games…9 of them as a matter of fact. And guess what, they have won 6 of them. Yes, they lost two NC games to SEC teams…does that make Kentucky any better of a program?

Pound your chest all day about how great the SEC is, as a UGA fan “conference pride” is really all you have to pound your chest about.

Let the big boys in Florida, LSU, Auburn and Alabama win the titles…you guys just keep jumping on their band wagon.

woebegong

March 10th, 2011
8:41 am

I am not sure why this would be considered a junkyard blog. Certainly, something more revelant to UGA sports could be written other than this.

Cool Jerk

March 10th, 2011
8:42 am

Excellent post, GABuckeye…I hear it all the time from these wanna-be dorks…they try to take credit for our National Championship, even while calling us cheaters.

They are sore losers in the truest sense of the word, and love spitting out venom at any and all other programs because they’re so miserable themselves.

dagnabit

March 10th, 2011
8:44 am

This just makes CMR and the SEC look better.

Cool Jerk

March 10th, 2011
8:51 am

How exactly, dagnabit? You realize Richt had more arrests on his team than ANY other team in the nation?

joe

March 10th, 2011
8:52 am

What a complete and utter joke the NCAA is…..this piece of crap school gets to hand pick what games it will serve it’s so called penality from the NCAA….The president of the NCAA should be fired for this…..

Flemming Island Dawg

March 10th, 2011
8:53 am

Hey GABuckeye why are you on our blog if you are only concerned about your Buckeyes and if you are still wondering how many losses you have to georgia it’s one. We played you once and beat you once.

Cool Jerk

March 10th, 2011
8:58 am

Richt may not cover up the arrests, but he certainly downplays them…stealing, hit-and-run, DUI…Richt has the same “boys will be boys” mentality that ol’ Bobby Bowden had.

Rey Guff

March 10th, 2011
9:00 am

The biggest change that CMR needs to make is to stop recruiting the low-class illiterates and thugs who he seems to think will win for him and keep his oversized paychecks coming in. People like Marcus Dowtin, A.J. Green, Washaun Ealey, Caleb King, and others too numerous to mention are not team players, they’re thug wannabes who are much closer to a gang than a team.

It’s sickening to see felons and goons like these representing the state’s flagship university.

Whirlaway

March 10th, 2011
9:04 am

UGA, runaway winner of the Fulmer/Richt Cup for the most players arrested last year.

GABuckeye

March 10th, 2011
9:09 am

Flemming Island Dawg, I came to this blog through a Google search about Ohio State. You can even type in “UGA Football” into Google news and this story is the 5th result…that seems odd to me. You are correct in the sense that it is a UGA blog but who knew a UGA blog would be so focused on Ohio State. Its typical UGA fan sensibilty though…We cant win anything, so lets focus on someone else. UGA fans have this sense that they are going to or should be winning championships. Where does that come from?

Guess what UGA fans, in the last 20 years you have the same amount of National Championship trophies as Kentucky and Vanderbilt…0!

Start focusing more of your “Blogs” on the issues you have in your own backyard and maybe they will get fixed. Our you can just keep projecting onto other teams and watch as someone else takes home the trophy.