Should anything less than 10 wins save Mark Richt’s job?

How many wins in 2011 should be enough to save Mark Richt's job? (Brant Sanderlin / AJC)

How many wins in 2011 should be enough to save Mark Richt's job? (Brant Sanderlin / AJC)

We all know Georgia needs to show marked improvement next season to save Mark Richt’s job.

The question is how much improvement will be enough?

If Georgia wins the SEC East, the fire-Richt talk will quiet down, no doubt about it. And such a turnaround from this year’s disappointing results certainly isn’t out of the realm of possibility.

Short of a trip to the SEC championship, though, what would be considered acceptable progress? What would constitute being back “on track” in the eyes of Greg McGarity and the bulk of the Bulldog Nation?

Ten wins? That’s generally considered a benchmark of a successful season these days and probably would satisfy most UGA supporters. Even nine wins might do it, depending in part, I think, on who Georgia beats. If wins over Florida and Georgia Tech are included in that number, it might be judged good enough to buy Richt more time.

But what if Georgia only wins eight games? That would be an improvement over this year, but would it be enough to say Richt had righted the ship? Eight wins wasn’t enough to save Jim Donnan; should it save Richt?

I’ve heard more than one fan who’s lost faith in Richt call it the “nightmare” scenario: He wins just enough games next year to keep his job but doesn’t really make enough changes to get the Dogs back into the SEC elite.

The program’s been drifting now for several seasons as others have passed us. Would keeping Richt after an eight- or nine-win season in 2011 be accepting more of the same and just be putting off the inevitable?

What do you think?

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Ray Goff

January 4th, 2011
2:50 pm

Face it UGA is no longer a big time program welcome to the ranks of Kentucky, Ole Miss, and soon to be added the son of Dooley and his 13 man defense

joe

January 4th, 2011
2:52 pm

Hey all you dilusional fan base that jumps off the bandwagon…..remember Dooley’s loss to Miami of Ohio???? remember 1979????? tired of a fan base that is no more than a piece of sewage….hope you give up your season tickets- you’re they ones that boo at home games I am sure…..let the rest of us have better seats…..

Dawg with two bags over his head

January 4th, 2011
2:55 pm

Joe,

Just who do you think recruited those players? The fans, the cheerleaders, the Redcoat Band, Larry Munson?

Biff Pocoroba

January 4th, 2011
3:03 pm

After the 4th and inches call, it looked as if Murray had lost faith. We will not have double digit wins next year. 0-2 start.

UGA Insider

January 4th, 2011
3:04 pm

Has anyone heard the reports of UGA players drinking in Memphis all week heading into the game? I also heard rumors of players being disgusted with having to practice and prepare for a game they didn’t want to play in.

It may be time for CMR to non-renew some scholarships and weed out some bad apples.

Touch Down

January 4th, 2011
3:05 pm

He has retooled the defense. Time to retool the offense. Get rid of OC & Offensive line coach. They didn’t deliver with the talent we had & is inexcuseable. I know doing that & winning the East is near impossible. Holding Central Florida to 10 was enough with a new defensive scheme. Scoring 6 points against CUSA team, even the conference champs, is an embarrassment. I say give CMR 2 seasons to get Offense redone & Defense to solidify. He should resign if he is not producing after that.

Provost Marshal

January 4th, 2011
3:07 pm

Re:JB

No, I am not stuck in time as you say, quite the opposite. My point is that Georgia hasn’t won a national championship in decades and hasn’t even played in one in a long time while the some of other schools I cited have won one and played in one or more other ones rather recently, so why the exagerrated expectations.

SSI FAN

January 4th, 2011
3:11 pm

I am a Georgia fan. There seems to be an unreasonable attitude about the successfulness of Georgia’s football accomplishments. Here are the final records and SEC records of the team since 1980:

Year Record SEC Record

1980 12-0 6-0
1981 10-2 6-0
1982 11-1 6-0
1983 10-1-1 5-1
1984 7-4-1 4-2
1985 7-3-2 3-2-1
1986 8-4 4-2
1987 9-3 4-2
1988 9-3 5-2
1989 6-6 4-3
1990 4-7 2-5
1991 9-3 4-3
1992 10-2 6-2
1993 5-6 2-6
1994 6-4-1 3-4-1
1995 6-6 3-5
1996 5-6 3-5
1997 10-2 6-2
1998 9-3 6-2
1999 8-4 5-3
2000 8-4 5-3
2001 9-4 5-3
2002 13-1 8-1
2003 11-3 6-2
2004 10-2 6-2
2005 10-3 6-2
2006 9-4 4-4
2007 11-2 6-2
2008 10-3 6-2
2009 8-5 4-4
2010 6-7 3-5

The most telling records to me are the SEC records. Since 1983 Georgia has lost at least 2 SEC games in every year but 2002. While the records the last 2 years have been disappointing, CMR has had 6 seasons in which Georgia won at least 10 games. Georgia football has been more relevant in the rankings under CMR than at any other time since 1983. I am disappointed in the results and the off field problems the last 2 years, but it’s not like Georgia has been a perpetual football powerhouse.

NewnanDawg

January 4th, 2011
3:24 pm

WIN THE EAST….MINIMUM

Palmetto State Dawg

January 4th, 2011
3:27 pm

SSI Fan: that’s not the point. The pount is that UGA has no excuses at all. We should be a football powerhouse like Florida, Alabama, etc…. UGA should field a top 15 teams 99% of the time. Tell me exactly what Bama has that UGA does not have besides more history and a better coach? UGA is the flagship university in a talent rich state with excellant facilities and a rabid fanbase. It’s an A list job, and with the right guy, we should compete for the SEC year in and year out.

UGA Swim Coach

January 4th, 2011
3:30 pm

I say if we go 6-6, he should stay. 500 is not too bad, and plus he’s teaching these kids to swim every year when he visits our pool in August. While our upcoming opponents were being idiots and sweating out in the hot sun, our football team was relaxing in the pool. Life is good.

RxDawg

January 4th, 2011
3:31 pm

He better beat Florida.

Zoomie

January 4th, 2011
3:32 pm

I don’t know why we should, after watching the 3-year nose-dive this program has been in, believe that a change in the S&C program is going to fix it. I watch Richt on the sidelines and I’m convinced he doesn’t know what’s wrong and, therefore, can’t fix it.

The SEC has passed him by. His time is gone. Another year of Richt is just setting up the program for more disappointment.

Richt’s staff is not getting the job done. If there was an announcement out of Athens that Richt has replaced Bobo with a world-class OC, and that there were other major shake-ups in his staff, I would believe that Richt gets it and would have some confidence moving into 2011. But Richt will keep the same people around him and wonder why things just don’t get better.

The promotion of Martinez to DC, and Richt’s stubborn loyalty in the face of the collapse of a once-proud defense, is a telling insight into Mark Richt’s coaching psyche. UGA would be better off to heed the lesson, cut ties now, and not stand by to watch the further decline of the football program for another year — or more.

bill

January 4th, 2011
3:35 pm

Looking forward to CMR’s end of season “State of the Program” press conference — even if he does his usual coach-speak (”We’re working hard at getting better”), the Q&A should be good.

Hope someone asks if he has consdiered possible re-location to either Hartford or Ann Arbor?

BirdDog

January 4th, 2011
3:35 pm

No players getting arrested in 2011 would be a good start. Then 9 wins would be acceptable IMO.

LawDawg

January 4th, 2011
3:46 pm

I am as big a Richt defender as there is, but 8 wins will definitely not do it, because it will not show improvement over a 2 year period. This was a rebuilding year w a freshman QB and a brand new defense, that will not be true next year. A second year defense and QB should equal 10 wins (9 might be ok if they are all wins in the regular season and then we lose a hard fought top-tier bowl game), but if we do not do that, Richt will have no one to blame but himself, Searles, Van Halanger, and Joe T. Bobo actually made serious improvement this year, but the O-Line and conditioning were embarrassing. Our players look small even compared to non-top tier teams and they are completely gassed in the 4th quarter.

Hello...

January 4th, 2011
3:48 pm

Why hasn’t Mark Richt dismissed Marcus Dowtin for his felonious assault last spring. He not only beat up an innocent bystander, he never reported his arrest to Richt.

Hypocritical Saint Richt really sucks.

LawDawg

January 4th, 2011
3:48 pm

SSI FAN: THANK YOU. That clearly makes the case that UGA was not a football powerhouse pre-Richt. I have always assumed most of the people saying we should be year-in year-out top-10 team are people under the age of 25 who do not remember anything about football before Richt.

TexasDawg

January 4th, 2011
3:53 pm

Why hasn’t he already been fired?? Why are we even having a discussion about saving his job?? His butt should have been gone after last season.

TexasDawg

January 4th, 2011
4:01 pm

Urban Myer had 2 National Championships in 5 years at Florida; Nick Saban already has one in what, 3 years at Alabama?

How many has Mark Richt brought home to Georgia in 10 years? Big fat goose egg, that’s how many. Again, why are we even discussing him saving his job? He should already be gone.

mountainman

January 4th, 2011
4:01 pm

UGA football has entered the TWILIGHT ZONE;in fact, it began three years ago…..we are in a time warp where an overcompensated incompetent coach is allowed to rule the UGA universe and no one is seeing this idiodisy and taking any corrective action! So it looks like we continue to remain in the Zone longer than necessary because no one with any intelligence will take the steps to get us out!!!

JB

January 4th, 2011
4:01 pm

Rodriguez gone after THREE YEARS. Hum. Winning must be important to them. They aren’t scared of a recruiting fall out….and not scared of Attracting a new coach AFTER firing one after three years.

Mean Machine

January 4th, 2011
4:08 pm

I’ve been saying it all year, if you’re not going to fire Richt this year, then UGA had better win at least 10 games, win the SEC, and beat UF in the process. Anything less, and he should be fired. It’s been 5 years since UGA has won the SEC. That is too long, that should be unacceptable at UGA. What I fear, is Richt will go 9-3 and lose to UF, but McGarity will deem that as sufficient, and we will be having this discussion in 2012, 2013, and so on.

Gbal

January 4th, 2011
4:10 pm

If UGA should loose to Boise and SC and sitting 0-2, I say fire CMR on the spot, name an assistant as HC for the rest of the season and name the 2012 coach in mid season to help with recruiting for the year. we dont want to be sitting on the fence all season, cut him loose in December and then suffer with a recruiting disadvantage with a new coach just being names. I hate that things have gone sour on MR but I really now feel that the change should be made NOW. I hate to delay the inevitable for another 1-2 years.

I wonder if asked, how many more years does CMR really want to coach??

Id like to ask this question. I sense that 2-3 more years and he will be ready to bow out, winning or loosing. If this were the case, Id really like to see UGA and CMR come to an agreement now and name a new coach this year.

Dagny

January 4th, 2011
4:10 pm

Why does Richt even have to think about it? Send this thug home now. Today.

http://www.redandblack.com/2011/01/04/bulldog-lb-dowtin-faced-assault-charge-in-maryland/

RTR

January 4th, 2011
4:11 pm

I hope UGA fans on here aren’t pulling the “remember when…” scenarios. If so, let’s play: remember when your program won national championship in 50 years and still spoke of your program as if it was one of the country’s elite programs. Vince Dooley? Ray Goff? Jim Donnan? Mark Richt? Exactly, what do you think you deserve or are capable of? Nobody’s coming there. Next year will be the same as last. Face reality. Why don’t you just send some of those players you’ve got over there to Bama and we’ll make illiterate football players out of them instead of illiterate traffic violators. If you want a ring, come to Bama. If you want to think, “wow, we just got beat by CENTRAL Florida, how did that happen. Wait a minute, I don’t care,” go play for Mark Richt. Bama going for #14 next year. RTR!!

Mr. Spelling

January 4th, 2011
4:13 pm

Gbal, did you ever take spelling in school? Or did you ever go to school?

LawDawg

January 4th, 2011
4:13 pm

TexasDawg: that would mean that every three years, 117+ coaches deserve to be fired. That is asinine at best.

Cuz

January 4th, 2011
4:15 pm

CMR is his own worse enemy here. Before CMR most fans expected an 8-3 season, no shot at the SEC title and a mediocre bowl. Now we expect the SEC title and a shot at the BCS title game. Our expectations have changed.

SSI FAN

January 4th, 2011
4:16 pm

Palmetto State Dog

A list job? Let’s see. When Dooley resigned we hired Goff, when Goff left we hired Glen Mason who then decided not to take the job, we then hired Donan from Marshall, then we hired Richt, the offensive coordiantor at FSU. I don’t remember any successful D1 or pro head coaches even being interested in the job (like Meyer at FL or Saban at AL). The only times Georgia has arguably competed for the SEC championship year in and year out since 1983 has been under CMR. I’m not satisfied or happy, and I agree that Georgia should be a football powerhouse. All I’m saying is that it was not a powerhouse from 1984 through 2000.

Gbal

January 4th, 2011
4:17 pm

Urban Myer had 2 National Championships in 5 years at Florida; Nick Saban already has one in what, 3 years at Alabama?

LESS MILES – 1
GENE CHIZIK- 1 (on the way)

5 Championships 5 years, yet UGA has not even made it to the SEC game during this period??

How many has Mark Richt brought home to Georgia in 10 years? Big fat goose egg, that’s how many. Again, why are we even discussing him saving his job? He should already be gone.

I agree with you Tx Dawg!! I hate it cause I like CMR but he is just not the motivator. Maybe assistant AD and recruiting coordinator???? Naw?

UCDawg

January 4th, 2011
4:18 pm

To me this is not so much about how many games are won, but more about how the games are won. If we were to finish up 8-4 but the team is clearly committed, organized, disciplined, and shows GREAT attitude and effort each week then I would be satisfied. I would rather have an 8 win season that was earned as opposed to an 11 win season and a blowout in the SEC Championship game because we won 11 games due to luck or something. That said, If 8-4 is the best we have with all those qualities being evident week in and week out then it may just be time for a change. I want Richt as the coach, I want him around for a long time to come because I think the players are learning important things but results must follow.

DrDawg

January 4th, 2011
4:22 pm

He MUST beat Florida. He MUST beat Florida. If he wins them all except Florida with their first year coach, he has to go. Florida is the measuring stick.

SSI FAN

January 4th, 2011
4:23 pm

LawDawg

Where do you practice law?

tony

January 4th, 2011
4:23 pm

Below is Oregon Ducks Offensive and Defensive Line. They are smaller than the dawgs and playing for a nc. It’s not about size…….. it’s about strategy, tactics, strength, conditioning, technique, passion and motivation. Those 7 things have been ignored by Mr.Richt too long.

Let Todd Grantham replace Mr.Richt and lets start over.

……322lbs………………….286lbs………………290lbs………….281…..
79Mark Asper……….77Carson York……68C.E. Kaiser….69Bo Thran
…………………………………………..300lbs………………………………….
…………………………………….54Jordan Holmes…………………………..
………………………………..Oregon Offensive Line…………………………

…………………………………..Oregon Defensive Line………………………
45Terrell Turner……88Brandon Bair…….99Zac Clark….58Kenny Rowe
……261lbs……………..272lbs………………..270lbs………..232lbs……..

funny...

January 4th, 2011
4:24 pm

10 wins would be great, no way this team wins 10 games.

Grantham had it right when he said that recruiting needs to focused on beating Florida. Can this recruit help Georgia beat Florida. I think for too long the focus has been on besting Georgia Tech. That’s old guard thinking. I think the Dooley school of thought was can we beat Tech and to some extent that extended into the Damon Evans era. As the landscape of college football has changed in the last 10 to 15 years, Georgia stayed with what worked in the 70’s and 80’s.

LawDawg

January 4th, 2011
4:26 pm

Cuz: very good point. He is being judged by a different scale than the one we had before him, but my fellow Dawg fans tend to have severely unrealistic expectations anyway. They act like every coach is just champing at the bit to come here, but guess what? We are not luring Saban away from Alabama, Harbaugh is going to the NFL, not here. Believe it or not, NFL coaching gigs and 10-15 (conservatively) coaching jobs are more attractive than UGA even without the added detriment of the fanbase being insane. Other coaches are aware of the lack of respect given Mark Richt despite his obvious successes. Penn State could have fired Paterno after their bad run in the 70s, but then they probably would not have gotten NCs in 82 and 86.

UGA '92

January 4th, 2011
4:26 pm

Enter your comments here

haters are skaters

January 4th, 2011
4:26 pm

10 wins, including fl. that scenario may not get him to the sec championship though w/ sc looking at a 10-2 season as well. will have to see how and where those “wins” come from.

LawDawg

January 4th, 2011
4:32 pm

funny….: I’m not sure what that means, a good player is good against either team and up until recently UF and GT ran similar pro-style offenses and defenses. Do you mean we should only get TEs that are good against the 4-3, not the 3-4? What does that even mean?

UGA '92

January 4th, 2011
4:34 pm

A trip to the Dome in December would do the trick. Not sure replacing Louisville with Boise State was such a smart move. Other things are in place for a good season. We drop Arkansas for Ole Miss, as well as avoid Bama and LSU. Tenn is still getting it together, and think I Muschamp will fall on his gator-loving face. Once the NCAA finds the cleared check with Cam Newton’s name on it, they will be on the floor too. Plus, Tech is a joke. Would love to see Richt run the table just to see how Shultz and Bradley eat crow.

LawDawg

January 4th, 2011
4:34 pm

SSI Fan: Atlanta, I am not going to be more specific than that in an anonymous internet forum.

ceph

January 4th, 2011
4:35 pm

The dumbest thing that I have ever heard BoBo say is that everyone in the Butts-Mehre building must be rededicated to the NEW attitude at UGA. Damn, now he is blaming the secretaries for the losses. What I would like to know is exactly when did they UNDEDICATE themselves to the program?

LawDawg

January 4th, 2011
4:36 pm

Also, if we have a huge game call (like the P whatever, whatever Verron Haynes play or the Michael Johnson fade against AUB) against BSU to win the game, a lot of fair weather fans will be bag on the Richtwagon.

LawDawg

January 4th, 2011
4:36 pm

That should have been “playcall”

SSI FAN

January 4th, 2011
4:39 pm

lawdawg

Would not expect any more specificity. I went to Mercer law school back in the day.

LawDawg

January 4th, 2011
4:40 pm

It’s also worth noting that we have been better over the last few years than GT or TEN, which are two of rivals and two major recruiting rivals.

LawDawg

January 4th, 2011
4:40 pm

And we are better than UMich, UT, and USC, which are three teams with more historical success than UGA.

ARdawg

January 4th, 2011
4:40 pm

Every fan has unrealistic expectations. Who among us sits and cheers for a 8 win season or in this case a 6 win season? I disagree with you Cuz and Lawdawg. Richt is not a victim of his own success he is a victim of his own lack of success. To see it spiral completely out of control is at the very least disheartening to every Dawg fan.

The Goff years did not lower the expectations of Georgia fans. The Donnan fire was a mistake and premature. A Richt firing even at this juncture would be long overdue as was the Goff firing. There is no redeeming qualities in Richt to move the program forward. He started out very good and on fire but, the fire has long burned out

LawDawg

January 4th, 2011
4:41 pm

Nice SSI Fan…I thought that might be where you were going with it. You practice in GA?