UGA recruiting of Cam Newton? Square peg, meet round hole

Cam Newton struck Georgia coaches as more of a tight end than a quarterback. Really. (Associated Press)

Cam Newton struck Georgia coaches as more of a tight end than a quarterback. Really. (Associated Press)

It’s probably just as well that Mark Richt, who recruited Cam Newton out of Atlanta’s Westlake High School, wasn’t able to sign him.

As has been widely reported, Richt admitted at his Tuesday news conference that “We actually had him pegged as more of a tight end prospect. A lot of it had to do with what we like to do offensively, more of a fit than any disrespect to his type of ability to play quarterback. He’s proven to be pretty darn good though.”

Indeed.

Chances are it wouldn’t have worked out anyway. If the reports Newton left the University of Florida on the verge of being suspended or expelled for cheating violations are true, you can imagine he also probably would not have been a good academic fit at UGA.

Not to mention the fact that if he drove the streets of Clarke County like he did in Gainesville, where he racked up a dozen traffic offenses, he’d at the very least have gotten himself suspended by Richt in that regard. They don’t take bad driving lightly in Athens, you know.

Plus there was that whole stolen laptop thing at UF.

Still, the revelation that had he come to Georgia, Newton probably wouldn’t have been competing at the quarterback spot where he’s now a leading candidate for the Heisman Trophy at Auburn has to give UGA fans pause.

What kind of talent evaluation system does Georgia recruiting coordinator Rodney Garner have that couldn’t see Newton as a quarterback? And what does it say about the philosophy of Richt and Mike Bobo that a player who leads the SEC in rushing, rushing touchdowns and passing efficiency wouldn’t have been a good “fit” offensively for the Bulldogs?

Of course, this is the same system that wasted a year of Knowshon Moreno by redshirting him and tried to make a tailback out of natural linebacker Richard Samuel.

I know college football recruiting is, to some extent, a crapshoot. But Cam Newton as a tight end?

Sounds like strength and conditioning isn’t the only aspect of Richt’s program that needs a good hard look.

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Paul H

November 10th, 2010
10:31 am

We dodged a bullet by not signing him.

RxDawg

November 10th, 2010
10:34 am

Hmm, good point Bill but hind sight is 20/20.

There are lot’s of 6′5″ 250# ers out there that can run and throw. Newton is a bit of a special case on the field. He’s also a bit of a special case off the field and it’s looking like he may take Auburn as far down as he took them up.

WAKA FLOCKA FLAME

November 10th, 2010
10:37 am

Look ma no hands

UGA1990

November 10th, 2010
10:38 am

Bill, give me a break! I think that Mark Richt and staff have done an excellent job of evaluating and recruting QB talent. Greene, Shockley, Stafford, & Murry. All 4 will end up drafted by the NFL. Also, we let another 2nd string QB go this summer that currently has offers from LSU, Texas A&M, and Alabama. I would say that Richt has an great track record with QB evaluation!

Bama Dawg

November 10th, 2010
10:38 am

Bill, you are starting to sound like a lot of the idiots that post on these blogs. They all seem to have tons of head coaching experience at a major SEC school, were All-Americans when they played college football and certainly could run the program much better than someone like Richt who has actually been involved in college athletics for 30+ years.

Since you like to live in the past, how about your thoughts on guys that Vince signed for one position and ended up a star at another (i.e., Dickey Clark – QB/Defensive End).

JMar

November 10th, 2010
10:38 am

Wasn’t Newton buried on the depth chart at Florida? Meyer had him at practice every day and still saw more in Brantley.

Gangster of love

November 10th, 2010
10:41 am

Bama Dawg – Dooley actually signed lots of QBs and moved them around.

Best example – Terry Hoage

outkasted

November 10th, 2010
10:43 am

dumb article considering GA wasn’t the only school who saw him as a TE…plus stafford was the QB at the time (true freshman) and knowshon was behind 3 upperclassmen running backs who had success prior to him getting there also wasn’t Samuel considered the top running back in GA when he was a senior…..dumb article

Bill King

November 10th, 2010
10:44 am

Bama Dawg:

The Dooley reference isn’t really applicable. Dooley’s philosophy was to recruit a lot of quarterbacks, since they generally were the best athletes, and then figure out where Georgia could best use them.

Bill King

November 10th, 2010
10:48 am

UGA1990:

No question, Richt has signed and developed some fine QB talent. And also some that didn’t work out, which is pretty much the case with every program. It just concerns me that Richt and company could be so locked in to one particular offensive “vision” that they couldn’t see a player like Newton fitting in at QB. Like I said, in every other respect he probably would have been a bad fit at UGA, but I’d like to see a little more flexibility in approach.

Sanford Drive

November 10th, 2010
10:49 am

I bet Cam Newton is wishing he would have just come to Athens and avoided everything that is following him now.

I personally, am glad we do not have him.

ALSO…. does anybody foreshadow Christian LeMay to be a little Cam Newton himself?? Both seem so similar, with their daddy running everything, similar type QB, LeMay already finding trouble….

LeMay… I am a die hard Dawg, and hope I am wrong about you, but maybe you should take a last look at a couple teams that run a spread offense, and take your controlling daddy with you.

BPClassof-85

November 10th, 2010
10:50 am

We never had a shot w/Cam Newton. We went about it all wrong by not including cash into our recruitment efforts.

William

November 10th, 2010
10:51 am

I’m no fan of Garner but this tells me that maybe Richt and Bobo knew something about the kid and didn’t want THAT problem. The question is…. did Newton have an interest in UGA?

Dean Tate

November 10th, 2010
10:52 am

Come on, Georgia had Matthew Stafford at the time. Newton didn’t have a great senior season throwing the ball, he was primarily a runner, which is why Meyer coveted him. He obviously didn’t impress Meyer too much — he was no. 3 on the depth chart when he left. Very few people would have foreseen what he’s doing at Auburn now. And he would have made a heckuva tight end.

Mike

November 10th, 2010
10:53 am

Bill … I graduated from Banneker in the late 90’s and always visited the banneker / westlake game when i had a chance. I had the opportunity to see him and Eric Berry single handedly demolish my school to say the least. That being said, Eric Berry would have had more of a chance to play QB at UGA than Cam. Cam was an oak tree amongst shrubs. Although he showed his arm off, he didn’t have to do anything BUT run. Eric ran and showed the ability to throw out with consistency.

I don’t think it’s anything against him, but it’s almost like Heyward and the statements of the other teams that passed on heyward. They didn’t see enough to recruit him as a QB. Sthinks ,btu sad reality … and I’m a dawg alumnus … and seeing him in high school, I’d be inclined to agree that they did the right thing considering what we ran. If you want to compare him to DJ, there isn’t one. DJ slung the ball all over the place at North Clayton.

Pup Fan

November 10th, 2010
10:54 am

And yet another negative DAWGS story from our greatest fan, Bill King. You should consider doing a blog about the band…’cause you don’t know squat about football. Hunker down Bill!

DawginLex

November 10th, 2010
10:54 am

I see Newton more like Shockley than a tight end. Maybe Richt saw the character flaws? Either way, Auburn got a good one but it remains to be seen at what cost.

dap01

November 10th, 2010
10:54 am

Off subject: But does anyone know why UGA coaches their QB’s to hold the football like a hot potato at arms length, while handing the ball off. It is as if they are aiming for the running back because they have never handed off the ball in their whole life. That method of handing off would surely not fool the defense.

butch miller

November 10th, 2010
10:58 am

let me join those who think you are way out of line in your opinions about evaluation and who plays where. Classic backseat driving. You certainly are entitled to your opinions, I just wish in this case you’d kept them to yourself, or change the title to your blog, maybe just “junk”.

heyberto

November 10th, 2010
11:00 am

No one was talking about Cam Newton until this year… not only that, was he a spread guy in high school? I’m not saying he couldn’t have played in a pro style offense, but how highly touted of a prospect was he? We’ve had no shortage of well thought of QB prospects, so it doesn’t make me think our coaches were/are bad at evaluating talent as much as I think they just didn’t have a need.

Dawg Man

November 10th, 2010
11:02 am

Dap- Funny you say that, I was thinking the same thing. We are the only ones who hand the ball off like that and we DON”T do that during play action plays so it seems you could predict what was going to happen at least somewhat if your’e on defense

DeepDiver

November 10th, 2010
11:08 am

Come back Bill. You are slipping into the lunatic fringe. Come back towards the light. Please.

Newman

November 10th, 2010
11:08 am

Donnan signed Greene and Shockley.

Dawgs73

November 10th, 2010
11:10 am

Bill, you are absolutely correct in regards this quote.

“Still, the revelation that had he come to Georgia, Newton probably wouldn’t have been competing at the quarterback spot where he’s now a leading candidate for the Heisman Trophy at Auburn has to give UGA fans pause.

What kind of talent evaluation system does Georgia recruiting coordinator Rodney Garner have that couldn’t see Newton as a quarterback? And what does it say about the philosophy of Richt and Mike Bobo that a player who leads the SEC in rushing, rushing touchdowns and passing efficiency wouldn’t have been a good “fit” offensively for the Bulldogs?

Of course, this is the same system that wasted a year of Knowshon Moreno by redshirting him and tried to make a tailback out of natural linebacker Richard Samuel.

I know college football recruiting is, to some extent, a crapshoot. But Cam Newton as a tight end?

Sounds like strength and conditioning isn’t the only aspect of Richt’s program that needs a good hard look.”

I don’t know if it’s a disconnect in regards to Garner or if Richt is just not evaluating the “talent” that Rodney is recruiting. If you look at this objectively, Rodney is bringing in top talent and it’s really up to Richt and his staff to find the right fit for these players.

1eyedJack

November 10th, 2010
11:10 am

One of the things that is maddening about CMR is his strict philosophy of recruiting to “his” system. This can work well in the NFL where you have your pick of players and they have little choice. In college however, you need to be more flexible. Instead of recruiting the best players that fit your system you need to recruit the best players and mold your system to fit their talent.

This is why a C.J. Uzomah goes to Auburn instead of UGA. He’ll play QB at Auburn but UGA was recruiting him at TE. Just tell the players you’ll let them try any position they want to play. Once signed give them a shot. If it don’t work then redshirt them and move them to the position you think they fit best. They’ll either play that position or transfer.

Having said that, I’m glad we missed on Newton. Just extra baggage we don’t need right now.

Mike

November 10th, 2010
11:12 am

What troubles me is, we are finally getting QBs who can do what Charlie Ward did (Murray, LeMay). I thought mobile QBs who can throw would be the prime recruiting targets for Richt. We’ve only had 1 to date prior to Murray.

BG

November 10th, 2010
11:13 am

Bill, Cam’s family probably got paid by UF from the start and Auburn paid him out of JC. Mark Richt probably picked up on this from the start and ran the other way.

UGA Insider

November 10th, 2010
11:23 am

Many fans don’t realize this but UGA will scrap the pro-style offense next year and move to more of a spread type offense that Richt used at FSU. We are only running pro-style because we promised Stafford and then AJ during recruiting that the pro-style is all UGA would run. Lemay is coming in thinking that there will be much more of a spread option and Crowell has been told many of the same things. This is probably another reason we have lost out on so many big name receiver’s lately. Murray will excel in the new offense for sure. This is saying of course that CMR does not spurn the Dawgs and go to Miami.

C U Later

November 10th, 2010
11:25 am

Bill, you have been reading too many articles by Bradley and Schultz and their negative support of CMR. You are supposed to be representing the best support of the coaches and team that UGA has. I propose that you give up this blog if can’t do that anymore and go launch one for the bumble bees.

Athens= God's Country

November 10th, 2010
11:27 am

Newman, while yes Donnan did sign Greene, Mark Richt signed Shockley. Shock was leaning to FSU because of Richt. Richt got the UGA job and the rest is history. Get your facts straight or get off the blog

Dawg 39

November 10th, 2010
11:28 am

We did not sign him. Thank God we did not sign him. Can you imagine the field day that the AJC & ESPN would be having If It had been the Dawgs that signed him.We dodged a bullet on that one.

TommyP

November 10th, 2010
11:29 am

Cam Newton was strictly a spread QB coming out of high school. A pro style offense was not going to bring out his talents.

Think of it this way….what will Newton be at the NFL level? QB? No. TE? Absolutely. He’s a beast running the ball with his size/speed/athleticism combo.

It was VERY COMMON INFO that he was a poor passer. This was the thinking at Florida as well. Malzahn has done a masterful job with him.

powerhouse?

November 10th, 2010
11:29 am

Bill, do you and Coach (I assume you call him Mark) play golf very often?

SOUTHGADAWG88

November 10th, 2010
11:30 am

Vince told both Charlie Ward and Shuan Jones from Thomasville that he didn’t think either was a college level QB.Which after signing James Jackson as a QB is one of the alltime head scratchers in player evaluations

Athens= God's Country

November 10th, 2010
11:32 am

Thank God we didn’t sign Newton.
Nick Saban will be the Cowboys next coach.
UGA will win out.
Richt returns next year.
All the fairweather fans return with smiles.

Sam

November 10th, 2010
11:33 am

Was Shockley drafted? I thought he signed as a free agent. Granted, he was sort of on the Falcons roster.

moops

November 10th, 2010
11:37 am

Bill – Hindsight is always 20/20. However, before he left UF, he was 3rd string. All accounts at the time said he was not playing well at all, at least not the level he is now.

Do you honestly think Urban would have let Cam leave had he been the player he was then? If you beleive that, I’ve got some swamp lands I’d like to sell you.

moops

November 10th, 2010
11:37 am

Sam – Shockley was draffted in the 7th round.

Frank Lane

November 10th, 2010
11:38 am

I am glad that we did not sign him, regardless of our record. This young man is a problem and I sense that his father is also.

Sam

November 10th, 2010
11:39 am

I seriously doubt that Saban will leave Alabama for the NFL. The only way he goes is if he gets fired.

SOUTHGADAWG88

November 10th, 2010
11:39 am

Looks like Urban tried as hard as he could to hold onto Cam considering the long list of things he got caught up in during his short stay in Gainsvile.

True Dawg

November 10th, 2010
11:45 am

Bill I agree with you-That newton was not looked at as a qb is absurd!! I dont think Garner is worth the fuss over him! Dont you agree?

Jared

November 10th, 2010
11:45 am

UGA Insider

do you have any actual proof of this?

Newman

November 10th, 2010
11:46 am

Athens…Donnan began the process with Shockley and Richt took over. He threatened to go to FSU after Donnan was fired. Shock had verbally already committed. Get YOUR facts straight.

Ummm, what

November 10th, 2010
11:47 am

Bill, you have to be kidding me. I am sick of all the negativity you are directing to Richt. Leave him alone. UGA football will be back. You need to stop writing these bashing articles. I come to your blog for information about the football, not some idiotic opinion about our recruiting strategies.

Joe

November 10th, 2010
11:48 am

BG at 11:13am – you are 100% correct. My guess is the Newtons tried to get the Dawgs into a bidding war and CMR wanted none of it. The only way for CMR to avoid being in the middle of this is to take one for the team and say they mis-evaluated him. Kudos to CMR for being a stand-up guy and representing the Bulldog Nation the right way. Auburn and Florida are gonna get burned by this.

dawgster

November 10th, 2010
11:55 am

Bill….i usually think your comments are pretty much right on…but this time i would have to disagree…lets go ahead and forget the problems that he had or appears to have had…the end result is not known, but i believe Au before its over is going to suffer because of this and possibly Miss State and the gators…how does one get by with all the traffic violations that are being reported…if this was at UGA…we would have everyone throwing the coaching staff and the player under the bus…don’t understand what went on down in gatorland, but Cam may have bigger problems, again, if this stuff is true…right now its only accusations…but to get into the discussion as far as Cam being seen as a TE…alot of teams were expressing the same interest…he in truth was not seen as being comfortable in a pro-style offense…of course we have seen what he can do…looks like he developed very well after high school…but some of the above comments are right on…at Fla he was behind Tebow and Brantley…so their coaches didn’t see all of this either…you are being unfair in judging our Coaching Staff in this matter…its real easy to second guess now…real easy…but at the time thats what many people saw in him…that was nothing against the young man, but at 6′-6″ and 250 pounds, i would have also thought TE as a very viable option..I’m also not saying that our coaching staff has been right on in some of their evaluations, but what i do know is that they have done pretty well in the QB dept and other areas also, not only with 4 or 5 star recruits, but also the unkiowns…don’t blame Coach Richt and staff for not signing Cam, if you want to say they missed on him, then fine, but so did alot of others…go dawgs

SOUTHGADAWG88

November 10th, 2010
11:57 am

We rated CJ as a TE too

just a fan

November 10th, 2010
11:57 am

If Saban goes anywhere it will be to University of Michigan

SOUTHGADAWG88

November 10th, 2010
11:59 am

When Saban starts talking about unrealistic fan expectations Bama fans better get nervous

Ummm, what

November 10th, 2010
12:01 pm

Also Bill, I am sick of all this Monday Morning QB talk by you and many other fans. Richt is doing the best he can.

Ummm, what

November 10th, 2010
12:02 pm

I think we need a good hard look at a new “Junkyard Blawg” writer.

chris

November 10th, 2010
12:04 pm

auburns gonna beat the breaks off georgia this weekend stop hatin on cam just wait until he breaks out the cammy cam juice lol f*ck the bulldogs

Supes

November 10th, 2010
12:04 pm

We have had some GREAT QB’s the past 10 years in UGA…but look at some of the “not so great ones” as well…

Blake Barns, Joe T. the III , Joe Cox….and Logan Gray??? Great talent evaluators…maybe but the backups leave a lot to be desired. Look at FLA…they don’t really see Brantley as a fit they have 2 guys to take over at the position…who does UGA have???

Bigboy

November 10th, 2010
12:05 pm

Southgadawg88…I think it was little Jackson’s play at QB that soured Vince on those kids prospects at QB.Turned out to be a mistake though but it was somewhat understandable.

McDawg

November 10th, 2010
12:08 pm

whine whine whine

59bulldawg

November 10th, 2010
12:20 pm

Bama . . . you’re comparing apples to oranges. Dickey was recruited as a QB and actually started a game before giving way to Goff and Robinson. Bill’s right on this one. It makes one question CMR’s assessment of talent and you don’t have to be a freaking coach to see it. My God man . . . coaching isn’t like nuclear physics . . . it doesn’t take a genius to recognize talent. I don’t mean to belittle coaches . . . years ago I was an assistant high school football coach myself. But the idea that only a coach can understand what and why a coach does what he does is simply ludicrous. Yes there are folks without a clue who criticize coaches. But to me they are no less of an idiot than those who place coaches on an untouchable pedestal as some type of deity whose knowledge of the game is unassailable.

Gbal

November 10th, 2010
12:24 pm

Bill and Tony both seem to be joing Bradley and Shultz as Dog bashers. Must be a mandate from management at the AJC…. Need More Hits…Dont write about the sport itself… Focus on stirring the pot which gets us hits…

I will say this however, I have questioned CMR’s system and have considered whether or not it might be outdated.

> We have heard opposing coaches say that we are predictable and been doing the same thing for years.

> Our system on O seems pretty simple (predictable), but we do constantly hear from our coaches that our players are slow to be able to take too much in and that we have to spoon feed a little at a time (lately this takes half a season it seems)

> Unless we have a group of players that can physically punish the opposing D, Im not sure that the pro style O is best in todays college football. Might need a change up in Offense style that is more finness and keeps opposing D guessing.

I do think we have landed some players based on runnig the pro style offense however (Stafford/Murray)

Just thoughts, but I do think it might be worth considering…. changing up our O phylosophy a bit… or either give our players credit or expect them to be able to take in more to make us more unpredictable and to start a season… not four of five games into it.

Bigboy

November 10th, 2010
12:26 pm

some guys just don’t fit what you do…I couldn’t see Tebow over Stafford in our system but Tebow was one of the alltime great COLLEGE quarterbacks

saban

November 10th, 2010
12:29 pm

He would fit right in with the boys from Clarke County Correctional.

Unfortunately the Dawgs didn`t have a spare 200,000 to pay.

Cheap Dawgs.

EC

November 10th, 2010
12:31 pm

yeah, you sure did… moron… lol

dawgster

November 10th, 2010
12:32 pm

Personally, i hope all the negative talk regarding Newton is false, but the old saying is where there’s smoke there is fire…I hope Au did their homework on him..but some things coming out cannot be good for their program or Newton…The NCAA will find out, may not be this year, but you can bet your life they will, if the allegations, and thats all they are…one thing i did find interesting however was that the father’s church had some issues with building compliance and needed money fix some problems…based on what i read, they secured some funds, but the father will not say where they came from, which is their right, but with what is taking place, it may be wise to disclose that…of course i’m sure that will be done at some point to the proper authorities, not on this blog site…its a shame that sports has come to this type of attacks and accusations with these young people…yes, some may be deserving, if they broke rules…i know in the AJ situation, they were looking into if he visited Miami or not and upon further investigation, they found out about the Jersey…i will say this to close, if the allegations are found to be untrue, alot of people will have to answer as to why certain things came out and that to me would include Miss State and Florida….

59bulldawg

November 10th, 2010
12:35 pm

Most of the criticism that I’ve read of Richt’s assessment of Newton as a tight end has not been directed as much at our failure to get him as it has that we couldn’t envision him as a college quarterback. While it might be true that he would not have been a good fit in our system, unless CMR was less than serious, that’s just difficult for most folks to hear. And with the other points that Bill brings up in his article, it does make most folks wonder what in the world is going on with talent evaluation in Athens. This is not the same cheap shot that Barnhart took at the program with his Grantham comments.

Barnard

November 10th, 2010
12:36 pm

Bill–

Come on.

Firstly, Georgia does not run a spread offense. Not looking for Cam Newton, Tim Tebow QB’s.

Secondly, it’s in the best interests of Cam Newton’s NFL future to be a tight end, instead of a running QB. Ask Tebow, or the past Heisman winning QB runners. Florida & Auburn are not seeking what’s best for Cam in the long run, only what’s best for them in the short run. They could care less about his long term career, post-college. Richt doesn’t.

Thridly, Richt has sent more players ot the NFL than Saban, Miles, Meyer, or Brown, so the NFL thinks Richt knows how to see and deveop talent.

Spivedog

November 10th, 2010
12:38 pm

Bill, I like your articles, but if I had to wager, I would wager that you don’t follow recruiting much. There is nothing wrong w/ that, but it is VERY obvious in your articles. There is nothing wrong w/ our recruiting. Now the coaching on the other hand….

Fwiw, the main reason Newton did not come to UGA is b/c he stated that did not want to be “…another DJ Shockley.” UGA and Newton were never serious about each other.

Beach Dawg

November 10th, 2010
12:38 pm

So let me understand — Newton is known to have dealt in stolen property; is alleged to have cheated as a college student, not once but twice; and family is rumored to have shopped his talents for a bit of cash. And this makes Richt stupid?? Bill you are struggling more and more to be relevant!!

Bigboy

November 10th, 2010
12:39 pm

I watched that ESPN special on Marcus Dupree last night and it reminded me just how prevalent this kind of stuff was back in the day.Every bigtime program out there has a few skeletons in the closet.The money out there today is sick so who knows what’s really going on.

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ApopkaDawg

November 10th, 2010
12:48 pm

Great article Bill! If UGA had recruited Newton he would have fallen in line with all the other big time names that have come to UGA recently and suddenly disappeared. Marlon Brown? Orson Charles (not counting last 2 games)? Israel Troupe? All of these guys were / are highly recruited guys who are extremely talented. None of them are household names such as Jeff Demps or Chris Rainey. As far as CMRs past is concerned, all I have to say is WHY red-shirt Knowshown and why is it that we had Joe Cox (a highly recruited QB out of high school)spend 5 years in the UGA “system” and not do any better than he did. Finally, last year was the biggest slap in the face when it comes to recruiting. The state of GA has the most blue chip prospects we have had in a number of years and what does CMR do? We have the worst recruiting year we have had while under CMR. Gardener, it has been real man, but it is time to GO.

Beach Dawg

November 10th, 2010
12:48 pm

Bill, Your comment ” It just concerns me that Richt and company could be so locked in to one particular offensive “vision” that they couldn’t see a player like Newton fitting in at QB.” really makes me question your thought process and football knowledge!!! So you are suggesting that when Richt sees a stud like Newton that he should change his whole offense on the “hope” that the stud will be the savior. So given your thoughts on offensive “vision” he and his coaching staff would constantly be building around the next stud. Help me understand!!!

azdawg

November 10th, 2010
12:52 pm

Mr. King you’re right on target and couldn’t agree more. You don’t allow a talent like CN get away. GA’s had problem children before and they either straightened out or left the team. Same would have been true for newton. UGA’s problems of late run the gauntlet from recruiting to coaching and its all led to a stready decline in GA’s overall program and resulted in 9 losses to date dating back to last season. It’ll most likely get worse next season as we lose quite a few seniors and jr’s departing for the NFL. Combine that w/the current crop of coaches at UGA and the outlook is dismal.

Until this season, I believed CMR was the right coach for UGA. However, his decision to allow his DC, Grantham, continue his losing ways on soft zone has cost this team greatly. At least Tubberville had the guts to can his OC in mid season at AU, showed he was willing to change. Richt will not and its costing GA games. Its time for a change at head coach at GA. There won’t be a change of fortunes as long as Richt is head coach unless he makes drastic changes in this program.

Jackson

November 10th, 2010
12:54 pm

Perhaps Richt saw the kid had some CHARACTER flaws too.

It’s not just about how talented a kid is, if the kid has no character, you pass.

2 weeks 2 late

November 10th, 2010
12:55 pm

Bill, I think you blog would have been better recepted had you posted it 2 weeks ago before the piles of negetive publicity cam is pulling in, and it just seems to keep growing. No recruit is worth that much negetive publicity.

2 weeks 2 late

November 10th, 2010
12:55 pm

Bill, I think you blog would have been better recepted had you posted it 2 weeks ago before the piles of negetive publicity cam is pulling in, and it just seems to keep growing. No recruit is worth that much negetive publicity.

Same Houston

November 10th, 2010
12:56 pm

He would not have been a good academic fit? Your joking right? He got in at Auburn….nuff said. The Georgia program is already falling a part due to the current thugs on the roster!!! The only think Georgia should be concerned with is being bowl eligible!!!

Jackson

November 10th, 2010
1:01 pm

Georgia is set up with 2 top rankied Pro Style QB’s Stafford & Joe Cox at the time. Then went out and got the #3 ranked QB in the country Murray, and this year, has the #2 ranked QB in the country, Lemay. Over time, Murray & Lemay’s legacywill outshine Newton’s.

Beach Dawg

November 10th, 2010
1:01 pm

Sam Houston — speaking of academics, I love your spelling

Delbert D.

November 10th, 2010
1:02 pm

Somebody on this blog asked what kind of prospect Newton was in high school. I’ll just submit this info that I’ve posted before:

Rivals Top 10 Dual-Threat QBs

#1 Tyrod Taylor 5 stars__________VaTech
#2 Cameron Newton 5 stars______Florida/JC/Auburn
#3 Aaron Corp 4 stars___________USC/Richmond
#4 Stephen Garcia 4 stars_______South Carolina
#5 Willy Korn 4 stars____________Clemson/Marshall/N. Greenville
#6 Keith Nichol 4 stars__________Mich. St.
#7 Chris Forcier 4 stars__________UCLA
#8 Kodi Burns 4 stars___________Auburn#
#9 Josh Nesbitt 4 stars__________Ga. Tech
#10 Logan Gray 4 stars__________Georgia#

Rivals Top- 10 Pro-Style QBs

#1 Jimmy Clausen 5 stars________Notre Dame+
#2 Ryan Mallet 5 stars___________Michigan/Arkansas
#3 John Brantley 4 stars_________Florida
#4 Mike Paulus 4 stars__________UNC/Wm&Mary
#5 Peter Lalich 4 stars__________Virginia/Oregon St./*
#6 Pat Bostick 4 stars__________Pitt
#7 Jarrett Lee 4 stars___________LSU
#8 Robert Marve 4 stars_________Miami/Purdue
#9 Steven Threet 4 stars________Michigan/Az. St.
#10 BJ Coleman 4 Stars________Tennessee/UT-Chatt.

#Changed position to WR
+NFL draftee
*Peter Lalich was kicked off the team at Oregon State for “drunken boating”.

dawgster

November 10th, 2010
1:03 pm

59bulldawg…i understand where you are coming from, but Newton was not looked at by many schools, not just the dawgs, as being a typical pro-style QB…he is pefectly suited for a spread type offense…now could Coach Ricth have gone to the spread to utilize his talents, perhaps, but really no one knew how Newton was going to develop…the gators didn’t know how to use him either and thought Brantley was their guy…we can argue about some of the decisions that the staff has or has not made, but i don’ tthink they deserve to be criticized on this one…its real easy to look now and say wow, we sure missed on this one, but there have been hundreds of players that all schools have missed on and you just have to mover on…Had Coach Richt, Meyer, Saban, Miles or any other coach had a crystal ball and could forsee how his talent would develop, well we know what they would have done…but now with the problems that have started to emerge, can you imagine the heat that Coach Richt and staff would be taking if they had put the program at risk…and i believe that is what, unfortunately Au may have done, i hope not, thats not what College football should be about, but if the allegations are true, and more of them keep coming in, then Au has taken a big risk…

Brad

November 10th, 2010
1:05 pm

I have to admit that it is somewhat surprising that Richt and company had him pegged as a tight end. I’m a Gator fan and I remember the days where Richt served as Bobby Bowden’s offensive coordinator at FSU. I seem to remember a guy by the name of Charlie Ward who wouldn’t exactly fit the the mold of a ‘traditional pro-style quarterback’, yet achieved tremendous success by leading the hated ‘Noles to a National Championship and winning a Heisman Trophy… because he was mobile and could extend plays long enough for receivers to get open. Or he would just tuck the ball and go. Granted, Newton is much bigger than Ward was while at FSU, but it’s surprising to me that Richt and Rodney Garner didn’t consider recruiting him as a QB. Seems to be a gross oversight in terms of talent evaluation.

ALDawg

November 10th, 2010
1:06 pm

Ummmm, what,

“Richt is doing the best that he can.” Precisely. This man has a ceiling, and we’ve seen it. No one is disputing that he’s a nice guy, a good role model or that he’s been coaching for awhile. He sucks at beating tough competition. Can’t win the big game or put together a championship season. We hired him from FSU, a program that arguably had the greatest talent in the late 80s/90s. How many national championships did they win? The man is a consumate underachiever. “Well, he’s the best coach UGA’s ever had.” That’s an elite group. Keep being grateful for second and third place finishes in the SEC East. Maybe, if we’re lucky, all of the elite teams of the SEC will be placed on probation, and we can win by default. It doesn’t take someone within the game to see that we are immersed in a culture of mediocrity at UGA. But, hey, we beat the Fighting Adam’s Apples every year, so everything must be ok.

Delbert D.

November 10th, 2010
1:13 pm

Meyer signed Brantley, who was a pro-style QB for his spread offense. Why did he do that?

Spivedog

November 10th, 2010
1:15 pm

ApopkaDawg, it is Garner, not “Gardner.”

AzDawg, I’m not sure I would call it “guts” when Tubberville changed OCs mid-season. Tubbs had a knack for always letting his coordinators fall on the sword while at Auburn.

Delbert D.

November 10th, 2010
1:35 pm

“UConn Football Player Arrested on Larceny Charge.” (AP). DE Marcus Campbell has been arrested.

I’ll add him to the list for the Heistman Tropy, joining front-runners Jeremiah Masoli and Cam Newton.

Freddie G

November 10th, 2010
1:41 pm

I have said all along that this coaching staff is not getting the job done and this latest revelation is proof of that. Did Richt and his staff see tape of Cam Newton, and how did he come to the decision to slot him as a TE when Florida and other schools saw him as a QB.
We have to now wonder if this shortsightedness is the reason that we lose so many recruiting battles. It is obvious that Newton may naver have lasted in Athens, but to recruit him as a TE is so way off all Richt backers should now come to a realization that the program is not progressing due to these blunders. I still believe that MCGarity should give Richt another year to make meaningful progress, and if not met then a change should be made.

Mudcatjoe

November 10th, 2010
1:46 pm

If the allegations are true, it seems like Cam Newton would have been a perfect fit at UGA. The entire team is made up of crooks and thugs. I know of a couple of high school players who were promised cars and money to come to UGA.

Freddie G

November 10th, 2010
1:49 pm

Did Richt sign Greene to Georgia while he was OC at FSU?
Donnan recruited Greene and redshirted him.

Hogwash

November 10th, 2010
1:49 pm

If Richt saw character flaws in Newton, that would be a first because he hasn’t seen character flaws in the rest of the team. Bill good article. This not just about C. Newton, it is about our recruiting in general. Every body wants to get mad when you criticize the UGA program. It speaks for itself. Look at the record and the off field problems. One day people will wake up but, in the mean time let’s get this program back on track. We have totally missed out on some great talent due to bad evaluation or the desire to travel the country to recruit the best players and until we do we will continue to lose to schools like Fla., Ala., and we seem to be a little gun shy on playing top caliber teams like Oregon. I am a true UGA fan but, I do realize when there is a flaw in the program. Recruiting needs to step up. If we were doing such a great job we would have a better supply of RBs, WRs, LBs and DL. Whether you people want to admit it or not, we need to step up our recruiting efforts and we definately need to revamp our offensive staff and the strength and conditioning program.

AltamahaDawg

November 10th, 2010
1:56 pm

Pandering to the crowd a bit today Bill? There is really a debate as to if Mark Richt knows QB’s? wow

St. Bernard

November 10th, 2010
1:58 pm

Doesn’t seem like richt to give the heisman candidate bulletin board material. Is he messing with Cam’s head, or did this just slip?

dap01

November 10th, 2010
2:02 pm

Bill, Why take swips at UGA and CMR when the whole story is about a player whose past is getting shadier by the minute? Are you missing the story?

Ace

November 10th, 2010
2:03 pm

Why settle for a helmet when you can steal a laptop. UGA is again 2nd tier.

AltamahaDawg

November 10th, 2010
2:06 pm

And I suppose just playing the with a completely empty backfield would have been better than using Samual (who was quite capable of playing the position) till his other guys were healthy? Just gone 4 wideout every play for 4 weeks.

Dirty Dawg

November 10th, 2010
2:12 pm

Hey Bill, this is the same thinking that had a kid – Mallett (or whatever his name is) – leave Michigan when the West VA guy headed there with his ’spread’ mentality (look how that’s turned out) and enrolled in Arkansas so he could maximize his talents…and will be the first or second QB taken in the NFL draft when he comes out. Fact is Newton hasn’t shown that he can actually be a pocket passer – virtually all his throws are option passes or passes on the run. My guess is that all we’ll hear next Summer is how hard Chan Gailey and the Bills are having to work to make a pro quarterback out of the guy.

Spivedog

November 10th, 2010
2:14 pm

Hogwash, it was a mutual decision b/t us and Oregon to disolve that home and home. No need for two difficult OOC games every year. Also, take a look at our recruiting rankings since CMR has gotten to Athens and also take a look at other programs who have offered our players. AGAIN, RECRUITING IS NOT THE PROBLEM. It’s getting really annoying see this posted over and over again. The REAL problem is Richt promotes underqualified assistants (e.g. Willie, Bobo, McClendon, et al). Our players are getting coached down, except those whose talent supercedes the bad coaching (Knowmo, AJG, and Stafford).

You are correct, our S & C needs help.

Coachdawg 2000

November 10th, 2010
2:16 pm

Bill King-
Your credibility diminishes with every post. Do you think that Spuurrier should have skewered because he didn’t recruit Tommy Frazier to run his fun-n-gun? No. Do you know why? Because Tommy Frazier was an outstnading option QB not a passer. That’s why you recruit to your strengths and your system .If UGA was a high school where your players(supposedly) live in your attendance zone then he would need to adjust to his players but not in college ball. You dance with who brung you so to speak.

sogadog

November 10th, 2010
2:32 pm

The fact UGA did not assess Newton to be a potential star quarterback is a problem. Bear Bryant succeeded because he was flexible in his approach. If the wishbone was working he ran the wishbone. If a pro style passing attack fit his talent base he ran that. The point is, Bobo and CMR seem too rigid in their offensive strategy. They run the same old system year end and year out and everyone in the SEC has solved it. They wont say hey, this Newton kid can run and pass, lets run the spread. The only reason their scheme has any success is because we recruit top talent. I would like to see some new talent and a new scheme on offense.

sogadog

November 10th, 2010
2:35 pm

I meant to say “new coaching talent” there is plenty of player talent on offense.

edumacated

November 10th, 2010
2:37 pm

UGA Insider,

The idea that Richt would stick to a certain offensive philosopy, despite losing, because of promises made to recruits is silly. Besides, he has been running the same offense since he got there anyway.

Freddie G

November 10th, 2010
2:41 pm

To all of you who are now stating that Richt may have passed on Cam because of his Character flaws, you need to take your heads out of your A$$*ol*s. The article clearly stated that Richt recruited Cam Newton, but as a TE. It stands to reason that if newton wanted to play as a TE he would have a Scholarship at Georgia. The point is, he was a mobile QB just like Shockley was a mobile QB; therefore why TE.
As stated previously the guy may never have lasted at Georgia, based on some of the information now coming to light, but the player evaluation must be questioned.

Gary

November 10th, 2010
2:43 pm

If Auburn was like Georgia and lost the games that were close we would not have this conversation. They would have 3 or 4 losses and people would be questioning why they have him as a quarterback. (Miss State, Clemson, Kentucky, Arkansas, LSU all were very close except Ark who lost their starting QB) The breaks went Auburns way and they are undefeated. Georgia Squeeked by last year. Don’t think we have it in us this year to win. Auburn Plays Florida in the SEC then Auburn gets the death penalty after the NC game.

ALDawg

November 10th, 2010
2:44 pm

Couldn’t agree more with sogadawg. Everybody knows when UGA gets inside the 5, here comes the power I, and that’s not the only scenario. We have basically been running the same playbook since Richt’s arrival. That’s a lot of film to look at. At this point, it really doesn’t matter if we execute because the opposing defense knows what is coming. Tired rhetoric. Tired schemes. Failing program.

Spivedog

November 10th, 2010
2:50 pm

Sogadawg is dead on. Lane Kiffin said last year that we were the easiest team to prepare for; I wonder why.

59bulldawg

November 10th, 2010
2:53 pm

Dawgster . . . my criticism is not that we didn’t sign Newton. I’m glad we didn’t. My criticism is that we pegged him as a tight end at the college level. And then on top of that you throw in the wasted year for Knowshon and the experiment at running back for Richard Samuel . . . and then all the talent that we supposedly got in recent top ten recruiting classes . . . one can’t help but wonder if we’re missing on our evaluation of talent or as Spurrier says something happens to it once it gets to Athens. Personally I think it’s three-fold. We don’t do an exceptional job of evaluation before we recruit them. We don’t develop it properly when we get it to Athens. And we don’t always start the best player on game day. Sure all programs miss on the evaluation of some talent. We just seem to do it on a more consistent basis.

Spivedog

November 10th, 2010
3:00 pm

Let’s not read into this “UGA wanted Newton at TE” too much. Recruiting is my pastime, and I remember his recruitment very well. UGA never pursued Cam too hard b/c Cam (and his dad) saw Stafford starting as a true freshmen and did not want Cam to be another DJ Shockley. If Cam wanted to be at UGA, I’m sure we (UGA) would have done more evaulation on him, and thus realized that the kid was pretty good. And for the record, Cam was not as highly regarded in High School until he showed out at an All-Star game in January, then he became a “5 Star/ can’t miss guy.” But by then he was all Gator.

Ed (The Original)

November 10th, 2010
3:01 pm

Sounds like Cam might a screw loose, so it’s a good thing UGA avoided him. This controversy will probably not end well for Auburn.

However, what is says about Richt and staff’s ability to evaluate talent is disturbing. Apparently only Georgia among SEC schools failed to see Newton’s potential as a quarterback. How many current players at UGA are playing out of position?

icallbs

November 10th, 2010
3:11 pm

20/10 hindsight is awesome, isn’t it. This is four years AFTER the guy was being recruited. If I’m not mistaken, Thomas Davis was given a scholly on a last minute after thought just because one was available. Caleb King was going to be Hershcel and Reggie Bush rolled into one. This takes second guessing to a moronic extreme, and that’s saying something.

Spivedog

November 10th, 2010
3:16 pm

Icallbs, you’re thinking of Tim Jennings. We offered Thomas Davis after we saw him play a basketball game. But yeah, you’re right, recruiting is not an exact science.

AltamahaDawg

November 10th, 2010
3:28 pm

ALdawg I really am not sure what the exact percentages, but I would be willing to bet that inside the 5 we run some kind of toss sweep, or pass to the (FB, TE) or a crossing pattern right behind the LB, or that lob to the WR as much as if not more times , than we run a power I up the gut.

I wish we did that more often actually, or could.

Spivedog

November 10th, 2010
3:35 pm

AltamahaDawg, my favorite is when we have an incomplete pass on 1st down, run it up the middle for 2 yards, to set up that awesome 3rd and long play. How many 3rd and 8s have we had this year?

75-76-DAWG

November 10th, 2010
3:38 pm

All of Newton’s problems in college are money related and I think his class is eligible to go pro this year. If I am right it will be one year and out for Newton. Getting a national championship that they were cheated out of in 2004 could end up costing them a lot. I hope for their sake and the integrity of the SEC that nothing bad happens.
I am very glad that CMR did not agree to change his entire offense around Newton just to get him to come to UGA. That’s probably the reason UGA was recruiting him as a receiver and not a QB. This guy has been bad news for every school he has attended, I am so glad we don’t have to deal with his crap.

AltamahaDawg

November 10th, 2010
3:40 pm

sogadog, I could NOT disagree more. you don’t flip flop what you do, what you have just spend months and years on, because there come along a kid every now and then that like 20 other recruits at the time “might” turn into something. You just go get him and wreck what the other 30 members of the squad have been training for. Bear Bryant didn’t have a fraction of the recruiting tools available to him back then as these guys have. There are WAY too many recruits out there now to not pick and choose exactly who you want. Plus player basically went home for the summer and showed up a few weeks before the season, Obviously he would have to adjust to who showed up with the biggest muscles. He hadn’t spend basically the entire years fine tuning highly sophisticated offenses.

So pass on Murray, who is prototypical UGA QB, and a Star in the making, and just sign Newton, throw something together to suit him, because a few year later, you never know when somebody might want to fabricate a big fuss about it if you don’t.

AltamahaDawg

November 10th, 2010
3:45 pm

Spivedog I would imagine somewhere in the neighborhood the exact same amount of times that EVERY team in the country runs on second down after an incomplete pass on first, including those on Sunday, because it is the correct call.

If you are asking me if i enjoy that they had an incomplete pass, no. I also don’t think the play call come in from the bench that say, be sure and only pick up 2 yrs on this boys. We probably need to work on getting more yards from our running plays.

robodawg

November 10th, 2010
3:46 pm

Richt may have been intentionally understating their evaluation of Newton. He didn’t sign him, after all. Plus, our coaching staff and everything we do is centered around a pro style offense with a drop back passer. But yeah, you would like to see some flexibility in the talent you’ll sign at QB.

AltamahaDawg

November 10th, 2010
3:51 pm

As I recall , Kiffin was talking about , where our defenders lined up, and thats why they could run that play over and over. He wasnt talking about the offensive plays. Those fizzled with no help from Tn whatsoever.

Spivedog

November 10th, 2010
3:53 pm

AltamahaDawg, it is the correct call if you have the personnel to actually pick up yardage running the ball on 2nd down. It is not, however, the right call when you don’t have maulers on the Oline and your backs are mediocre at best.

Bobo’s problem is that he cannot/will not adapt his offense, unless, of course we are trailing and it is the only option. Hence, the reason we have not led at any point in any of our SEC losses. That is a very telling stat.

One more reason

November 10th, 2010
3:56 pm

Just one more reason why the incompetent Richt and his cohorts have to be sacked and replaced.

AltamahaDawg

November 10th, 2010
4:05 pm

What does it tell?

AltamahaDawg

November 10th, 2010
4:18 pm

Pretty useless to debate it anyway since in the UF game that (incomplete pass, short trun on second) only happened on one series and they converted a 30 yr pass on 3rd down. Not one time did that set of circumstances occur in the KY game. I didn’t really look at the Vandy or TN game, but we sort of blew them out so would it really matters.

If that is the example of Bobo’s unwillingness to “adjust”, I would say it’s not a real good one.

SOUTHGADAWG88

November 10th, 2010
4:23 pm

Bobo has done a good job this year

Spivedog

November 10th, 2010
4:31 pm

Altamaha, did you watch the first 5 games of the year this year? Be honest. Maybe you were out of the country? Maybe you have been watching some other team play this year? I dunno, but you are wrong either way. I don’t have the game films in front of me, but I can usually predict how a series on offense will go, and I know if I can do it, then opposing DCs can do it. Hell, even Richt called out Bobo when he said after the Colorado game that “sometimes we were just running the ball to run it.”

11 Arrests 5 Wins

November 10th, 2010
4:46 pm

True…he’s never been arrested, wouldn’t fit in at GA.

schmeckdawg

November 10th, 2010
5:09 pm

Mike @ 10:53

How could you have seen Newton and Eric Berry single handedly destroy your Banneker team especially since Berry went to Creekside? Come on man!!

DawgTired

November 10th, 2010
5:29 pm

Where there’s smoke there’s fire. Where there’s smoke there’s fire.

I’ve read that so many times on these blogs. Think about it Dawg fans…the same thing could be said about your program. AD got fired for DUI…13 arrests…DC with the choke sign…Some could say that your program is out of control…Where there’s smoke there’s fire.

My question is this…why do you care so much about Newton? Is it because you are desperately hoping that the NCAA will step in and sit him for the UGA game? Is it because somehow you are glad that other schools are getting bad publicity for a change?

Take pride in your school. UGA is a storied program rich in football tradition. Don’t trash all of that by being hypocritical and looking scared to play at team at it’s best. You guys are better than that.

Isiah

November 10th, 2010
5:35 pm

Really? Dare anyone on this blog be surprised. If you know anything about the history of football, you know that hundreds of amazing Black athletes have not gotten the opportunity to play the QB position at UGA and other schools just like it. This silly discussion of driving and laptops is ludicrous!!

Coachdawg 2000

November 10th, 2010
5:37 pm

I hope two things happen#1 I hope we beat Allbarn with (S)Cam.#2 I hope Cam is pictured on “vacation” with Bishop Eddie Long!

Coachdawg 2000

November 10th, 2010
5:39 pm

Isiah-
Really?Aren’t you really Terrence Moore? I thought you pumping toilets at Fanhouse.

Peggy Ledbetter

November 10th, 2010
5:40 pm

When Cam Newton was at Florida, he was a third string quarterback, whose ability was not appreciated enough to ignore his cheating and laptop fiasco. Mark Richt probably had a good eye back then, and saw what fit Newton would make at UGA. . I guess Cam Newton really matured in size and ability at his Junior college. BIG change. I guess some people are just late bloomers.

Coachdawg 2000

November 10th, 2010
5:40 pm

I forgot i really have 3 hopes. #3 I hope bill king goes away!

Delbert D.

November 10th, 2010
5:48 pm

Where there is smoke, it is shady. When it blocks out the sun, that is.

Sven Ottke

November 10th, 2010
5:55 pm

“Chances are it wouldn’t have worked out anyway. If the reports Newton left the University of Florida on the verge of being suspended or expelled for cheating violations are true, you can imagine he also probably would not have been a good academic fit at UGA.”

Are you kidding? He would have been a perfect fit at UGa. What a joke.

AltamahaDawg

November 10th, 2010
6:03 pm

So what you are saying is that he was too predictable in the beginning of the year, which was a factor in losing some games, but since we rarely see that set of downs/call anymore and have played much better in the past 5 games, that just proves he is unwilling to adjust?

Putting aside the discusion about what factors and options might be difference now, lets just say the big difference is him just being more (whatever), isnt that what you want him to do?

ColoradoDawg

November 10th, 2010
6:41 pm

If my memory is right, wasnt Phillip Rivers recruited as a tight end and the only college that gave him a at QB was NC State? Not even the great Bowden saw him as a QB.

AltamahaDawg

November 10th, 2010
6:41 pm

Don”t you imagine that the Alabama fans that have followed that team and those player could tell you exactly what they are going to do 75% of the time? Every knowledgable fan base can predict whats coming from thier team. PLus with film on the opponents, every coach know what the other guys tendencies are. Nobody is fooling other teams as a recipe for success in the long run. The better team, just do what they do well. Predictable is not the problem. If Bobo is so predictable and you know what’s coming, but they just set a school record for most games over 30 points in a row, is predictable a problem? The real problem is the plays haven’t worked as much as they need to, which BTW I was saying 3 years ago, when everybody else was hung up blaming Willie for every single outcome of the game.

T-DAWG

November 10th, 2010
7:23 pm

DAWGS spend too much time on the offensive skill players and forget about the defense. There are a lot of 3/4 stars on the defense and a few 5 stars but it has been since Pollock since we have seen anything on that defense which is big reason we are sliding downward. Again, LSU, Alabam, and Flordia play top notch defense which is the reason they are at the top of every year. If I see another WR running 5 yards open and DB’s looking at each other like they lost a quarter, I am going to coach the DB’s myself.

just another brick in the wall

November 10th, 2010
8:03 pm

yep….cam newton wouldn’t fit into our superior offensive system that has a .500 record against ranked teams AND is below the national average for redzone efficiency.

And our fine QBs that are all pro prospects are doing quite well in the NFL these days…..Greene, Shockley and the Tin man are all just in line to be starters in the pro bowl.

It’s gonna take a while for these rose colored glasses to get knocked off…….

1eyedJack

November 10th, 2010
8:31 pm

T-DAWG, Georgia is currently 3rd in defense in the SEC.

TOTAL DEFENSE G Rush Pass Plays Yards Avg/P TD Avg/G
1. LSU 9 1127 1419 560 2546 4.5 18 282.9
2. Florida 9 1091 1542 570 2633 4.6 19 292.6
3. Georgia 10 1064 1991 603 3055 5.1 25 305.5
4. Alabama 9 1132 1632 563 2764 4.9 12 307.1
5. Arkansas 9 1410 1532 571 2942 5.2 22 326.9
6. Miss. State 9 1037 1994 616 3031 4.9 17 336.8
7. Kentucky 10 1763 1654 610 3417 5.6 36 341.7
8. Auburn 10 1146 2413 704 3559 5.1 30 355.9
9. S. Carolina 9 941 2382 601 3323 5.5 22 369.2
10. Ole Miss 9 1294 2087 573 3381 5.9 31 375.7
11. Tennessee 9 1407 2158 622 3565 5.7 29 396.1
12. Vanderbilt 9 1621 2171 683 3792 5.6 31 421.3

1eyedJack

November 10th, 2010
8:35 pm

We are also fourth in Scoring at 34 points a game. It seems we are less than the sum of our parts.

Douglasville Dawg

November 10th, 2010
8:44 pm

This has to be one of the worst articles I’ve ever read! Bill, if you wanted to question Richt’s passive approach, lack of discipline, strength and conditioning, offensive line or the secondary, I would be all ears. But you are questioning the recruiting of UGA which has consistently been ranked in the top 10 for many years! There are plenty of hits and misses out there and I believe that UGA has done a very solid job. I bet there would be many coaches out there that would love to have UGA’s recruits year in and year out. Did you know that Kelin Johnson came in as a wide receiver and was moved to safety and had a stellar career. Bruce Thornton came in as a running back and was moved to corner back and was taken in the NFL draft. Thomas Davis came in as a linebacker and was moved to safety. He ended up drafted pretty highly. Not all players pan out at the positions they initially come in to play and that’s everywhere! One last example…Jasper Sanks was a 5 star recruit coming out of high school and UGA signed him. How did that one turn out Bill? What a MORON! Well…at least I know that if I were to lose my job, I could always go to the AJC and write opinion related articles. It doesn’t seem very difficult to be qualified!

AltamahaDawg

November 10th, 2010
10:12 pm

And Pollack was recruited as a 2 star Fullback wasnt he?

Have you ever had a real job?

November 10th, 2010
10:17 pm

Bill,

Just for your information…real people have to work real jobs and perform to get paid…writing stupid articles constantly criticizing Mark Ritch and the UGA program may get a few comments from fools like me, but you really should get a life. You are not and will never be welcome among the UGA DAWG faithful again. Don’t wear that dawg shirt or hat again…you are not worthy.

pete

November 10th, 2010
10:21 pm

Bill,

Are you a UGA fan? Because you write like you hate our team / coaches. Please support the players and coaches. Your negativity isn’t going to change anything, so quit.

tide roll

November 10th, 2010
10:24 pm

Bill : Great article. You’re exactly right. The thing most bothersome is Uga had a second shot at him out of Blinn, AS A QB, and still didn’t sign him. It follows a “curious” pattern through the years of Uga failing to sign Charlie Ward, Sean Jones, and Homer Jordan. All in state kids who led their respective schools to national titles (Ga. Tech, FSU, and Clemson.) It’s got to be some sort of record and Georgia fans should be embarassed. This is more than coincidence,and anyone with a brain can see it. And Uga, incredibly, is making the same mistake with C. J. Uzomah, the 6′ 5″ 240 lb. stud at N. Gwinnett, who has committed to Auburn as well. Gus Malzaln needs to send Richt and Bobo a Christmas card!

JPaul63

November 10th, 2010
10:30 pm

the heck with Cam’s issues! Dawgs win without the distraction!

PHIL

November 10th, 2010
10:57 pm

59Bulldawg there may be people who have never coached that are qualified to criticize someone who has been in collegiate athletics for 30 years, but after reading your posts for the last several months, sir, I assure you that you are not one of them. You CANNOT change your offensive system in order to accommodate the skills of one player. That’s the first stupid premise you make. Second if this guy was so good, why was he third string behind this Brantley guy that is so not suited to the UF offense? He is good THIS year in THIS scheme. Like Altahmaha Dawg said there are plenty of guys and we have had plenty of talent at QB> The Richard Samuel EXPERIMENT??? The “experiment” will be at LB. Scouting services ranked Samuel as the #4 RB prospect in the nation his senior year. I know because he is somewhat local and the papers were full of him. If he could carry the ball without fumbling, he’d STILL be carrying it.

Knowshon’s freshman year saw him behind 3 running backs that he WAS NOT better than as a freshman.
Other idiotic postings by various obvious asylum inmates include things like Richt “recruited” him as a tight end. That’s not what he said AT ALL. He said we “looked at him as a tight end prospect.” Most say we never seriously recruited him AT ALL. WHY? You know how traffic violations in Athens are viewed in the same light as drug dealing ar Tech and terroristic threats at UF. The AJC would have been tearing their garments in angst at the scooter violations this kid would have racked up. There are reasons we don’t try to get some kids and the coach isn’t going to publicly throw any of them under the bus by saying they had poor academics or character issues.

Spivedawg ,while you may have been in the same country watching the games, it would appear to me you may have watched them while under the influence of mind altering substances or emotions. Since indeed you admit you don’t have the game films, I suggest you go get them and write the offensive sequences down before spouting off. The first thing that showed me how irrational you are is that you were arguing with AltahmahaDawg. He has too many facts for you to dispute with meer emotions. Arguing with him is like wrestling with a pig in the mud. After while you learn the pig likes it and you are just muddy and look stupid. That’s what’s happening here in your argument with him. But forget al lthe points and FACTS he has, tell me if Bobo is so bad, just exactly how many points do you think is enough to score to win a game? Try to wrap your pea brain around this. We scored 31 points on what is the second best defense statistically in the nations toughest conference, second by less than 30 feet a game I might ad, after having 4 turn overs. Just how powerful do you think an offense needs to be to win? Or did Bobo throw those interceptions and fumble that ball and I was just out of the country? Without just ONE of those turn overs we win that game and all you morons think everything is sunshine and lollipops. We just set a school record for most games in a row over 30 and will ad to that the next two games. How many points do you think we need for Bobo to be considered good? Tell me how many. Give me a number.

Bill I hope AJC gave you a bonus for writing such a STUPID article. If you ever decide to go on vaca, just let 59bulldawg fill in for ya. You and he are on about the same level.

AceDawg

November 10th, 2010
11:06 pm

It goes both ways – some coaches find players that fit their system, and some players adjust systems to fit their players. (I’m not talking about new coaches that have more challenges in this regard). BUT, good point regarding Samuel and Moreno. The Dawgs don’t make 100% sound decisions on recruiting, but I’d say the coaching itself is the bigger issue. There are definitely ranked teams whose head coaches would love to switch out every one of their players for the UGA players.

Jake

November 10th, 2010
11:17 pm

Speaking of Moreno, I just came back from 10 days in the Denver area and on sports talk radio there he’s being referred to as “No-Show Moreno.”

Matt(GHS 1999(

November 10th, 2010
11:24 pm

Bill-Had Newton stayed at UF, he would of been the 3rd string QB and tried out at TE. A UF beat writer actually said this. He sucked at QB at UF. So if UF was gonna move him to TE, what does that say about UGA? I know you guys don’t like dealing in facts but c’mon!

uuugh...

November 11th, 2010
12:02 am

Square Peg/Roung Hole = DJ Shockley, Logan Gray, Aaron Murray.

Richt wants David Greene, Matt Stafford, Mettenberger…Brad Johnson. Sure Chuck Ward won the Heisman…he did so despite Richt’s system.
Richt keeps trying to plug these kids with specific skill sets into his offense…instead of tailoring his offense to the kid’s specific skill set. They do just that at Florida. And it works. 2 National Championships. We don’t do that at UGA and apparently it doesn’t work.

Murray is successful because he breaks the expected play. A Play that opposing DC’s have 15 years of tape on!

We missed on Cam…maybe because we wanted him at TE. We missed on Cam probably because we couldn’t or wouldn’t pay what Florida paid the first time around. This second payment is only in the press because Florida didn’t get any return on their investment.

Bob

November 11th, 2010
12:04 am

Newman, You don’t know what you are talking about. If CMR was not the UGA coach we would never have landed him.

jojo

November 11th, 2010
12:35 am

Bill, Did you lose a great deal of $$ betting on games? The AJC staff tell you to get more negative? A mid(late mid) crisis hit you? Hot Flashes catch up? I am neither a friend or foe of Richt, but your panties have been in a wad lately re: him, staff, pretty much anything. If it is that bad I am sure someone would be happy to take your tickets.

5150 P.O.A.D

November 11th, 2010
1:14 am

What is the over and under on Big bad Bruce having a better record than RUSS as the same amount of game played? I think Russ will be + 2.

BoWeevil

November 11th, 2010
1:48 am

EXCUSES

A ton of EXCUSES is all you will ever get Bill King whenever Saint Richt is discussed as you do here, honestly.

WASHAUN EALEY has his redshirt ripped off in the 3rd quarter of the 5th game 2009

KENARIOUS GATES redshirt ripped off in Game 6, inserted straight to STARTER

CALEB KING made STARTER despite the fact finds RB at UGA a GRIND did nothing

ORSON CHARLES not made starter until game 12 in 2009 cuz Aron White 3 catches 2008

LOGAN GRAY given half the snaps at # 1 QB 2010 Spring Practice, Murray not ready still

MARLON BROWN thrown 2 passes all of 2009, losing Redshirt Senior year he will need

BRANDON BOYKIN clearly a load with ball never considered all our issues at RB

Total Offense NCAA Average all 10 years of CMR Era is # 52, this year # 54, what system?

Said no WR depth move Logan Gray there but have 4 TE including Orson Charles – not WR?

Couldn’t get Hutson Mason 1 snap vs vols in blow-out after 10 mins of 2nd half

We jerk players around position to position like we have no clue

We don’t recognize talent at a position when we do sign them

Recruit Cam Newton as a damn TE, BS CMR for telling nation of that, sir.

# 5 SEC coach current school current coach, # 16 nationally CMR

# 5 SEC football program last 5 years 42-19, # 20 nationally CMR

There are about 25 programs who averaged 10 wins last 5 years when 2010 over

BoWeevil

November 11th, 2010
2:00 am

jojo,

Coach Richt is win percentage # 16 in the nation for his entire 10-year tenure comaparing win % of all coaches in nation at their current school.

Georgia football program is win percentage # 20 in the nation the last 5 years now including 2010

Clearly, Herschel Walker said CMR not signing the recruits in-state

Especially on Offense.

Georgia finds only 3 states all nation with more high school recruits who go on to the NFL

What’s wrong with this picture that you log in to AJ-C criticize Bill King for calling it like it is and not directing 1 word to his point, other than try to float it pass us that you are no Coach Richt Apologist.

jojo

Did you know that there are 25 football programs 1-A FBS who will have averaged 10-wins a season the last 5 years when 2010 is over ?

jojo

CMR has had his recruits in Bad Press for being # 2 in the nation over these same last 5 years in Most Arrested / Suspended.

We don’t need Cam Newton with all his baggage ? B.S. AJ Green found GUILTY of same kicked out of football for 4 games, 3 of which we lost, for selling a $29 T-Shirt for $1000, scuttled whole damn season.

Cam Newton at least is 10-0, something 8-5 last year and best case 7-6 this year for CMR has not been WINNING.

5150 P.O.A.D

November 11th, 2010
2:12 am

Big Bad Bruce is SCARED of the Golen Eagle and he just looks like a Chicken Dinner to the Tiger. Aubarn equals the record Saturday. It will be 50-50-6.

AltamahaDawg

November 11th, 2010
7:27 am

jojo, did you know guys like BuLLdawg complains an awful lot and tried to make everybody think he is some kind of committed person, when in fact, in reality when it counts, his actions, what he DOES about all the stuff he claims to be so passionate about, is zilch. Yes that’s right, he does exactly what the worst of the blind homers in here do, Nothing. It’s always easy to talk a big game when somebody else has to do the heavy lifting isn’t it? Oh I forgot, he did write a pretend letter to the AD in here once.

Did you also know that Phil is my new favorite poster?

AltamahaDawg

November 11th, 2010
7:32 am

In, fact is there a channel Phil? I am so damn glad that somebody else will say how silly it is to continue to pretend that anybody even knew how to Pronounce Knowshon’s name till he came the very game he was ready to do so.

marietta dawg

November 11th, 2010
7:42 am

I am sure there is a lot more to this story. Perhaps UGA figured out very early to stay away from this kid and his father.

RobbylookoutmntGA

November 11th, 2010
7:57 am

Has anyone been noticing what is going on up in Knoxville? Let me get this straight: If a player assaults a policemen…no on field penalty. If a player assaults another student….no on field penalty (look up Da-Rick and Jacques Smith. At Georgia, you sell a shirt or miss traffic court and lengthy penalties on the field (see A.J. and King). You tell me: What does society look at as being more offensive? Violence or Carelessness? I

gomdawg

November 11th, 2010
8:43 am

Robert Edwards was recruitted as a linebacker and play running back. Hine ward played everywhere . SO WHAT THE HELL AS LONG AS YOU RECRUITT YOU CAN AND WILL NOT GET EVERYBODY FROM GEORGIA YOU LOSE SOME AND YOU STILL SOME ( DAVID POLLACK )

Skitty Fritty

November 11th, 2010
9:09 am

Cam’s Dirty, just wait and see, good thing we didn’t get him.
Interesting thing about all these players coming out of the UF program such as Rainey, Newton, Spikes (Eye-Gouger), etc. Doesn’t seem like Urban cares about character just “Win Baby”.

Most of these bloggers are too young to recall

November 11th, 2010
9:22 am

All schools do stuff like this with players. UGA especially, is great at over looking kids OR placing them in the WRONG position. Here are just a couple of reminders of UGA’s goofy past:

Robert Edwards in the Ray Goof era was initially a linebacker. He was finally moved to tail and played there in the pros. Bad knee injury at UGA kept him from maybe being as great as Hampton or Worley or Garrsion Hearst. He did score 5 TDS vs SC that was just tied by ealey. Edwards was simply awesome.
In the mid 70sm Peach County sent us a player with first name of Pete? and he did nothing at UGA as a fullback / tailback. He did spend about 7 or 8 years with Cincy Bengals. Go Figure. He was there a top performer folks !!!

Rat Goof also had Terrell Davis at tailback and sent to UGA by George Allen ( Redskins/Rams legendary NFL coach ) from a CA school that dropped football. He and Goof did not get along but in his final game as UGA Dog, he displayed tremendous rushing ability vs GT or in some bowl. Anyway he played for years with Denver Broncos and was MVP in a Super Bowl.

Hines Ward got moved all around the UGA offense as a QB and flanker and running back and punt returner and kick offs,etc. He should have been UGA’s QB but Goof/Donnan used Bobo. Ward, having to fill in as QB during the old Peach Bowl for UGA, passed for what was or is still a record ……..like 450 yds. UGA used him as a flanker for most of his career. Go figure. Bobo? or Hines ward???

Plenty of others, too. George rogers was recruited to SC by Ray Goff. He won the Heisman. We eventually had Walker in an overlapping era but wow. The two of them would have been special. Most of Auburn’s great tailbacks …………..William Andrews ( NFL fame ) and Brooks of Warner Robins, and Ronnie Brown of Cartersville, and to many more to name were all from state of Georgia. UGA missed on ALL of them.

The Richt era must end soon. It is out of gas.

Go Dogs.

JK Williams

November 11th, 2010
9:49 am

Good for Georgia that they didn’t sign CASH Newton. Sounds like he’s dragging too much baggage along with tacklers

DAWGMAN

November 11th, 2010
10:11 am

Has all this mess overshadowed the fact that the UGA season has been in the toilet since before Halloween. Winning out MEANS NOTHING. Once again, the Bulldogs cannot get coached up to win a game until it’s ALL OVER. It’s the W-L thing fellow Dawgs. Time to bite the bullet. Pay him off. Move him out. Contact the Board of Regents. Contact the National Alumni folks. Call the HazMat Team. Call in the grief counselors. Ready, set, go away Coach. Take our money. We got money. It’s the Wins we don’t have.

GeorgiaBorn

November 11th, 2010
10:34 am

Yea, especially given the fact that we don’t throw to our tight ends. Maybe with him at tight end, we might actually have a play in our playbooks for 3rd and 4.

Scam_newton

November 11th, 2010
11:30 am

Im glad to be playin for Jimmy Raines and the Auburn Cheetahs-they got the most money

Ben

November 11th, 2010
1:03 pm

Great Article, Bill! I think you’re right. UGA does need to do a better job of recruiting and using the incredbily gifted athletes that they have. Some of the posts from today seem to be a bit biased. Even if you’re a fan you have to be able to evaluate your opinons with a little bit of objectivity.

bitter "OLE" School dooley(aka vince)

November 11th, 2010
1:37 pm

i saw him as a long snappa yaaww, 2 spott playya, small fowarrd on that thera basketball teamm yaaaww. ps i recruited hershalll to plaa linebackka and well read thaa pappa yaaaww. hahahahahahah

bitter "OLE" School dooley(aka vince)

November 11th, 2010
1:40 pm

black trans am (aka herwal), who needs money, if they be a will, they bee a way yaaaw, hahahahah

uga's girl

November 11th, 2010
1:41 pm

I think Bill has me blocked. Just checking.

uga's girl

November 11th, 2010
1:42 pm

Guess not. Guess it’s only when I don’t agree.

porch dawg

November 11th, 2010
1:46 pm

Bill, you seem to have all the answers all the time. (In hindsight.) Wouldn’t a job as a major college head coach or AD pay better than your current salary? It seems such a waste of extraordinary talent.

bitter "OLE" School dooley(aka vince)

November 11th, 2010
1:49 pm

that theraa king fellow seems too have it all figuraa out, ill put him in charge of taking care of uga 111 dogg cage!!!!!

bitter cam "aka" ask daddy

November 11th, 2010
2:00 pm

its his darn chruch not mine, stop asking me!!!!!yaaaw, moooo money yaaaw, hahaqhahahahahahahahahaah

Kem

November 11th, 2010
2:56 pm

Schmeckdawg, I am sure Mike meant that he saw Cam (Westlake) and Eric Berry (Creekside) SINGLEDHANDLY beat Bannaeker when their schools played. It seems you are the only one who could not comprehend.

Regardless of the opinions(based right now on hearsay), it’s going to be real funny when the “tight end” prospect pad his numbers against UGA this Saturday and I can’t wait.

AltamahaDawg

November 11th, 2010
3:10 pm

Especially given the “fact” that we don’t throw to our TE???? That’s a “fact”? Or a completely baseless fabrication? Georgia TE’s have caught 30 passes this year. That more than any other receiver except AJ (32). What pro style offense in the SEC is throwing to thier TE any more than that?

But you are right that IF he had been here for 3 years, there would have been some plays in the playbook for him, since the actual “fact” is that we DO throw to the TE as much as anybody in the league over that period of time even without him.

Northern Sympathizer

November 11th, 2010
3:36 pm

Right now, I’m not too concerned with not landing Newton or putting him at TE if we had. With UGA 5-5, that is the least of our problems.

Wally Butts' Designated Stumbler

November 11th, 2010
4:03 pm

“…not a good academic fit.”? Please.

If Washaun Ealey can manage to stay “eligible” in Athens, anybody with a pulse can do it….including Cam Newton.

Folks down around Portal/Twin City can’t believe Ealey stayed eligible in HIGH SCHOOL, much less college.

Then again……

embarrassing dawgs

November 11th, 2010
4:05 pm

CAM NEWTON’S FATHER TOOK THE MONEY.SELLING HIS SON TO THE HIGHEST BIDER. HOW DID HE COME UP WITH ALL THAT MONEY, TO REBUILD HIS CHURCH IN A POOR NEIGHBORHOOD IN GEORGIA? AUBURN IS GOING TO BE IN ALOT OF TROUBLE.

Saban as Cowboys Coach???

November 11th, 2010
4:45 pm

Give me a break!!! That’s hilarious! He left Miami because he didn’t have enough CONTROL. He is a CONTROL FREAK, yes, all caps. You think Jones is going to give him carte blanche? Two control freaks don’t usually mesh. I’m not saying Saban is a Bama lifer at all, but wow, what color is the sky in your world? Seriously?

macdaddy

November 11th, 2010
5:07 pm

Hey Bill,
I have got a great idea, Why dont You and Tony Barnhart go to Athens and lobby Dr Adams for the head coaching Job. With all of the great wisdom, and I know it all ,and have have gotten this figured out you guys ought to be a shoe in.

Einsteindawg

November 11th, 2010
5:24 pm

I don’t care if Greene, Shockley, Stafford, and Murray are all drafted by the NFL. I just want our coaching staff to do a better job of evaluating talent and sign a QB that will help us win a National Championship…or at least beat Florida.

Seein hypocrisy

November 11th, 2010
5:52 pm

There is a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking, hypocrisy and downright fibbing going on in this blog about Newton. It’s fine for all these football know-it-alls to say he wouldn’t have fit at UGA. We have higher standards. He would not have lasted even if he was at UGA – Richt wouldn’t have put up within him……..

Not of one of these sanctimonious souls were likely saying this two weeks ago! They were lamenting they didn’t have him. My, my, football fans sure are fickle.

Mean Machine

November 11th, 2010
6:25 pm

Spread QBs like Newton do not fit well into pro-style offenses. Look at all the Spread QBs that turn out to be good NFL QBs, oh that’s right, there aren’t any! Newton probably could play QB at UGA, but he wouldn’t be playing near the level that he is in the spread system he is in now. However, there does need to be a re-evaluation by Richt and his staff with regards to recruiting.

trupert

November 11th, 2010
7:07 pm

Bill, I thought I read that Newton didn’t impress anybody with his passing skills while at UF,put that with the multiple tickets the stolen laptop and you have to ask how hard would Ga have recruited this kid anyway and who says that he wouldnt have been a great tightend. Something tells me that the combination of Murray to Newton the tight end would be a good combination.

trupert

November 11th, 2010
7:22 pm

Twelve speeding tickets a stolen lap top and caught three times cheating at Fla and he goes to Auburn and instantly becomes a model student and player?

Always suspected that Auburn and Alabama did a great job of making violations disappear, he would have been kicked off the team a long time ago if he had come to Ga. Newton made the right decision in going to Auburn where violations just never happen.

patrick

November 11th, 2010
7:31 pm

Why would Dllas want Saban? He has been head coach 15 years and finished top ten only 4 times.
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He finished one year with ALA with 2 wins
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he has had 6 wins in a year five times
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he has had 7 wins in a year 5 or 6 times.
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Hell he has had 4 good years in 15 and you think he is good? Thats not a good percentage friends. Dallas wants a winner. Not someone who got lucky 4 times in 15 years

bitter coach paul bear (aka bammer)

November 11th, 2010
8:13 pm

my brain hurts after reading this sh—–, ps dawgs beat auburn and coach dye, hahahahahahahahah

bitter cam

November 11th, 2010
8:22 pm

yaaa need to, brother kiss my daddies big, yoo su—my d—- , well just go away finebomb, bammmmmaa as—-h—-, da money went mostly to da church , yoo f—of–, moo money fool, go gators i say, ps yoo 180,00 was cheap yoo, brother sh—-, mo money i say , f— auburn, i only care about my pay yoo, deaff pentalty to auburn football who carres yoo, suckers, hahahahahahah

He Hate Gator

November 11th, 2010
8:22 pm

Newton projected as a TE,….shows the lack of the Georgia program to be able to look from the outside in and adapt what they do similarly to Urban Meyer who changed his quarterback system…

bitter finebomb

November 11th, 2010
8:25 pm

lost for words after that!!!!!!!!

SmackDawg

November 11th, 2010
8:53 pm

What kind of talent evaluation system does Georgia recruiting coordinator Rodney Garner have that couldn’t see Newton as a quarterback? And what does it say about the philosophy of Richt and Mike Bobo that a player who leads the SEC in rushing, rushing touchdowns and passing efficiency wouldn’t have been a good “fit” offensively for the Bulldogs?

Of course, this is the same system that wasted a year of Knowshon Moreno by redshirting him and tried to make a tailback out of natural linebacker Richard Samuel.

I know college football recruiting is, to some extent, a crapshoot. But Cam Newton as a tight end?

Sounds like strength and conditioning isn’t the only aspect of Richt’s program that needs a good hard look

GaDawg

November 11th, 2010
9:06 pm

Still, the revelation that had he come to Georgia, Newton probably wouldn’t have been competing at the quarterback spot where he’s now a leading candidate for the Heisman Trophy at Auburn has to give UGA fans pause.

What kind of talent evaluation system does Georgia recruiting coordinator Rodney Garner have that couldn’t see Newton as a quarterback? And what does it say about the philosophy of Richt and Mike Bobo that a player who leads the SEC in rushing, rushing touchdowns and passing efficiency wouldn’t have been a good “fit” offensively for the Bulldogs?

Of course, this is the same system that wasted a year of Knowshon Moreno by redshirting him and tried to make a tailback out of natural linebacker Richard Samuel.

I know college football recruiting is, to some extent, a crapshoot. But Cam Newton as a tight end?

Sounds like strength and conditioning isn’t the only aspect of Richt’s program that needs a good hard look.

MY POINT EXACTLY BILL!!!!! YOU’VE FINALLY PUT IT INTO WORDS FOR YOURSELF!!!! RECRUITING IS THE LIFEBLOOD OF ANY PROGRAM, AND IN MY OPINION, UGA DOES NOT HAVE THE RECRUITERS WHO CAN GET THE JOB DONE!!!!! JIM DONNAN WAS AN EXCELLENT RECRUITER OF GREAT TALENT!!!!

Flat Tire on I-95 in Jacksonville

November 11th, 2010
9:25 pm

Anyone wonder why we are 2-8 against FL

I sure dont

Jethro Dawg Tull

November 12th, 2010
12:17 am

That flexability int the approach to recruiting sounds good Bill.Good atheletes can be successful at plenty of different positions. Just because Hines Ward played QB at UGA the Steelers didn’t say, Hey, we don’t need him we already have a QB. the took Ward because he was a good Athelete.
Rambo played QB in high school, Sign some of these good atheletes and then decide where to play them. As in Champ Bailey!!!!!!

Hunker

November 12th, 2010
6:00 am

You don’t change your system for one recruit…If that was the case you would change your system every year for the latest HIGH SCHOOL talent…that may or may not be on your roster next year…..

AltamahaDawg

November 12th, 2010
7:20 am

jethrow, so what you are saying is Kudos to any staff for considering how to still recruit and use a guy like Newton somewhere, despite not being able use for him as a QB? Isn’t that exactly what the man said they did?

AltamahaDawg

November 12th, 2010
7:26 am

How exactly did they “waste” a year of Moreno? 9 carries out of 4th string freshman would have been the “waste”. I would say that the fact that Richt went up to freaking NJ of all places, and found a guy liek Moreno, than none of us armchair recruiting experts down here had even heard of, brought him down here and got a lot of good, out of a guy who never should have even been in our picture, is a recruting success story. This fabricated story is about recruiting is it not? An example of a once in a blue moon player leaving as a sophomore while here, is hardly much of a valid point to this. More like slinging arrows.

legionaire

November 12th, 2010
7:56 am

Richt’s comment about Newton is as general as you can get. I think the subtle thing he was saying is that UGA did not want to hang their hat on a qb who finds problems where ever he is. Who knows what he did in high school away from the field. Tight ends can be found anywhere, QB’s have to have the savvy to stay out of trouble and run the O. Remember Quincy Carter?

guy

November 12th, 2010
7:59 am

It now seems UGA wasn’t the high bidder for him back then.Cam Newton isn’t right and you haven’t heard the last of the story either.Stay tuned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don

November 12th, 2010
8:41 am

LMFAO – ‘Bama fans shaking thei boots that Sabam might leave – did he tell you cornholers to stop the ramma jamma stuff too?

GODAWGS75

November 12th, 2010
8:57 am

UGA 1990 what a joke, a Great job with Quarter Backs?????
Greene was good, Stafford was a good quaterback, but he couldn’t win the big games. Murray end up a top NFL recruit, sorry buddy not going to happen. We didn’t even know who was going to start this year. What other team in college football does not have back up quarter backs ready to go? This is always an issue for us, Stafford got to play becuase someone was hurt, obviously if they knew how good he was he would have started. Bobo is HORRIBLE, and if you do not agree you never played football in your life.

LAKE OCONEE DAWG

November 12th, 2010
9:11 am

Bill:
Don’t turn into one of these daily second guessers that are supposed Dawg fans…If you have a QB that runs as much as this guy does, you better get you a second QB ready….Michael Vick is a better running QB than this dude but you see what has happened with him running the ball….If you run this offense, get a 2nd QB ready….Don’t know that Auburn has that….Just another example of trying to figure out a way to second guess the UGA coaching staff…Shame on you….

LAKE OCONEE DAWG

November 12th, 2010
9:15 am

GODAWGS75:
You obviously have never played any football if you don’t recognize the good work Coach Bobo has done directing the offense to over 30 points per game in the last 5 games….What would it take to please you, 50 a game???? You obviously have offense and defense mixed up…It was the defense that gave up 29 points while the offense scored 27 vs. Colorado…Colorado hasn’t scored that many against anybody all year….Yet you come on here trying to blame Bobo….Go to a football 101 class and learn the difference in offense and defense….

AMEN!!!!

November 12th, 2010
9:34 am

And D.J. Shockley should have been a flanker. How about the Bryant kid out of Peach County? Hell I remember seeing him throw it and run it. He would have won a heisman for a spread offense. I guess 6′6 250 will have a field day against our defense and Richt might have a change of heart.

@ Lake Oconee Dawg

November 12th, 2010
9:35 am

Are you delirious? Our offense is PATHETIC! Get your head out of the Lake. Tennessee and Vandy are AWFUL. We are awful. You are a Disney.

@ Lake Oconee Dawg

November 12th, 2010
9:40 am

Yeah, get the second QB ready? Have you seen the hits our QB has been taking? Tell me you are kidding. Play Action Fake with nothing but deep routes. Our best runner is our QB and he is scrambling out of the pocket for his life! Come on, The I formation is a thing of the past. You might be the only person in America that thinks that redneck Bobo is a coordinator. He wasted Stafford, he wasted Moreno. Bill’s point is straight valid, how do we evaluate talent? I watch games from all across the country and their are receivers, qbs, dbs, safeties from GEORGIA that are superstars in their league. Get a clue. You are what is wrong with UGA.

wins-by-a-link

November 12th, 2010
9:43 am

Bill, I don’t remember you clamoring for Richt to sign this great QB in waiting when Newton was in high school, Since you are so good at hindsight lets see how good you are at foresight and tell us who we should sign from this years’ class that will turn out to be the next Cam Newton.

uga's girl

November 12th, 2010
9:44 am

My husband & I keep up with the recruiting like it’s Biblical & I can say that Cam was not even really looked at. It was a glance at a kid who was big & most schools saw him “not fitting” at QB. I’m glad we didn’t “get” him. We have enough problems. Unfortunately, the SEC is going to look really bad once all is said & done. UF, MSU & AU are going to be in the pooper. All because of this one recruit who we “missed” out on. Whatever. For the do-do who said 2 weeks ago UGA fans were saying we wish we had him, apparently doesn’t know many UGA fans. Maybe they know the fair-weather wishers of the UGA fan base, but not the people who follow it day in, day out, year ’round! Also, there are too many situations to list about recruits who didn’t play their high school positions. Some have been listed here, but my word, there are thousands of them. Watch any game & listen to the commentaries about how “Bob” was this in h.s. & now is this. Every game baby!

CN & his father are a problem. People saw this early on & I for one am ecstatic that he doesn’t play for the Dawgs. Yeah, AU will get their one year guy & may win the NC, but at what cost? All the pieces of the puzzle are coming together & it’s not pretty. The NCAA & SEC have been investigating since January & it’s all coming to light now. On opening day, Game Day had an interview with Cam & I saw something I didn’t like. He’s very self-centered and the crap about him being humbled by the laptop incident, well it’s just that….crap. Just look at all of his comments. Everything going on will not change his performance Saturday because he only cares about one thing & that’s himself. Chizik & his “this kid has character” speech was crap. Like old Cam said himself, “I’m here to go to school & win football games”. (notice he didn’t say “help” win)

I hope our Dawgs put it on them & upset them. I don’t care about it “looking bad” for the SEC as someone put it, CN is doing enough of that.

GO DAWGS!!!! Get out there & play to your potential & you win this game. Heck, 90% of your potential can win this game.

SIC ‘EM!

cantondawg

November 12th, 2010
9:59 am

Bill,

I agree with your comments on Cam Newton. That was a big failure in talent evaluation. However, i do not share your thoughts on Knowshon Moreno. I still can’t believe how people forget how loaded we were at tailback his freshman year. We had Thomas Brown and Kregg Lumpkin so we weren’t exactly hurting for running backs that year. Also, You said RS was a natural linebacker. The first couple of games that i saw from Richard Samuel, i thought he was going to be a heckuva running back and everyone else did too.

Todd

November 12th, 2010
10:03 am

Dang Bill, you’re coming out of the old koon dawg shell!

GATA

Now your talking.

Bill, MR has had his opportunity. Can you imagine the week leading up to Florida next yr.? You want to talk about a desperation feeling, particularly if we go in to Jax with MR and BOBO tight as a drum . I know Greg McGarity, I’m perseverating over UF and that’s not healthy you tell us, but that game next yr.
will yet again be the turning pt. always has been, always will be. McGarity, loosing 18of21 is toxic, not unhealthy.

Doesn’t matter what happens tommorrow, 7-5 at best, still a bad bowl game, not Chick F, got Miss. ST written all over it.

droopydawg

November 12th, 2010
1:32 pm

The recruiting problems have been evident in the defense for a few years now. Two words: Bryan Evans.

DawgFan

November 13th, 2010
7:49 pm

Typical Auburn win, let the refs do it for you and take dirty shots at the QB…Shows what kind of class Auburn is. Not to mention the Head Coach when he lets the dirty player continue to play. I hope the SEC and the NCAA comes down hard on Auburn and it’s dirty/Illegal players.

UGA has already won - really

November 14th, 2010
7:36 am

Hey Dawgs, you’ve already won this year! You beat Auburn 11 – 0 in the players arrested contest! Stay classy, Athens!

TOOMERS CORNER

November 14th, 2010
11:16 pm

Why are you deleitng all the Auburn fans’? WOW

TOOMERS CORNER

November 14th, 2010
11:16 pm

frommiami

November 15th, 2010
8:01 am

Some of you have short or selective memories. As I recall, there have been plenty of off-field antics from the Dawgs, too. Be careful throwing dirt when your own house isn’t clean.