How can embattled Dogs compete with Bama for a top recruit?

Isaiah Crowell's assessment of UGA right now was pretty devastating. (Columbus Ledger-Enquirer)

Isaiah Crowell's assessment of UGA right now was pretty devastating. (Columbus Ledger-Enquirer)

If you’re a Georgia Bulldogs fan and prone to depression, you probably don’t want to read what five-star running back Isaiah Crowell of Carver High in Columbus had to say after his visit to Tuscaloosa last weekend.

And I’m not talking about the fact that he’s now leaning toward going to Alabama over UGA. It’s what he said in explaining why even the prospect of more playing time sooner in Athens might not be enough to make him a Bulldog:

“Well, they’re losing a lot of games and have a lot of people getting arrested. There’s just a lot of things going wrong. I do want to play right away but I also want to be where it’s disciplined and they win championships.”

Ouch. A pretty devastating assessment.

So if you’re UGA’s recruiters, how do you counter that? Um, home state loyalty? Naw, that doesn’t count for much these days. Mark Richt as a better shaper of young men than Nick Saban? Possibly.

But, really, if you’re a faltering program doing battle with a juggernaut like Bama for one of the most talented players in the country, what can you say to turn the tide, so to speak?

Any suggestions?

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293 comments Add your comment

ddt

October 6th, 2010
10:58 am

bearyH

October 6th, 2010
11:02 am

I don’t know what you say to him but the seniors should post those comments in the locker room for the whole team to read.

ddt

October 6th, 2010
11:03 am

If the players are running wild, staying drunk and getting arrested I would have a hard time using that line about CMR being a better shaper of young men than Saban or anyone else for that matter.

Really?

October 6th, 2010
11:03 am

How about there is no where for UGA to go but up and there is no where for Bama to go but down! Plus he has a better shot at coming in and playing at UGA then Bama.

ssidawg

October 6th, 2010
11:05 am

Crowell pretty much sums it up. It’s bad when an 18 year old calls a football program out for being undisciplined.

Dawgs2010

October 6th, 2010
11:06 am

Terrible! This will take years to fix. The kid is right thought. I do not blame him. I wouldn’t want to play for Georgia right either. Once a proud institution has turned into an embarrassment.

Silver Britches

October 6th, 2010
11:06 am

Man, I am glad we don’t play Bama.

Newman

October 6th, 2010
11:08 am

Crowell said it all. Very true!

Lowcountry Bulldawg

October 6th, 2010
11:09 am

He has possibly wrecked the recruiting with those public comments. He might as well committed to Alabama. The problem is, he is telling the truth.

I have the feeling this is going to be a long conclusion the the season and recruiting. CMR has his hands full with this and it is going to be ugly.

MURPHY

October 6th, 2010
11:09 am

Crowell wont be the only kid(recruit) to think this way. I dont blame him one bit. Sad times in Athens right now!

Sam Robards, Dawg Fan

October 6th, 2010
11:11 am

How do you compete? Simple: START WINNING GAMES. He said he won’t decide until after the season. If we end strong, showing marked improvement across the board, I’m pretty sure he could still compete for a starting spot, especially if Ingram stays for his senior year.

Dawgs2010

October 6th, 2010
11:11 am

Coach Richt has no one to blame but himself.

ICMIII

October 6th, 2010
11:11 am

Athens is nicer than Tuscaloosa.

ICMIII

October 6th, 2010
11:13 am

Except for all the darned cops.

GADawg

October 6th, 2010
11:13 am

That sounds about right.

dawg

October 6th, 2010
11:13 am

The fact is, Alabama kids are getting in trouble as well but it’s kept out of the news paper. They are 18-20 year old kids so they’re going to get in trouble some times. These kids are away from home for the first time and coach Richt can’t hold their hands 24-7. If he went to UGA he would play right away. He would probably get red shirted at Alabama. Soooooo, with that said, I would tell him teams go through rebuilding years and that’s what’s going on at UGA this year so if you want to play and play early, you better go with UGA. Richt has won a couple of S.E.C.’s and will win more down the road.

ddt

October 6th, 2010
11:14 am

The main thing is the fact that Alabama is winning big games and Georgia cant beat a senior citizens team from the local nursing home right now. The kid might not start as soon at Alabama but hes smart enough to know that when he does they will be contenders, not pretenders. Lets see, if some of the top schools in the country wanted me which one would I want to play football for right now the way things stand. Lets all ponder on that question.

NerdCentral@NorthAve

October 6th, 2010
11:16 am

Crowell says that, then would come to Athens and get arrested the first Fall for underage possession of alcohol.

Dawgs2010

October 6th, 2010
11:17 am

Perhaps if the UGA/rent-a-cops would back a little the program can get cleaned up. Instead of an arrest, take them to Garrity and and him deal with it.

NerdCentral@NorthAve

October 6th, 2010
11:17 am

UGA football is at such a low point, they are talking to the engineers who want to raise the Titanic for ideas.

Nick

October 6th, 2010
11:18 am

1- Nick Saban’s a quitter, never stays at 1 school for more than 5 or 6 years, so he will not be your coach, look at his history. He has a 36 year track record. Check it out. Richt’s been pretty much at 2 schools, FSU for over a decade, Georgia for 10 yrear now.
2- Nick Saban doesn’t get many guys to the NFL, Richt’s #1 in the SEC here. If you want to go to the next level, the NFL loves Mark Richt.
3- Saban’s had 4 top 10 finishes out of 36 season, Richt’s had 19 out of 24 seasons. You have a 5 times higher chance of finishing in the top 10 with Richt, than Saban.
4- Closer to family georgraphically speaking, if the guy’s a family man
5- The challenge & glory of getting a team back to the top
6- More playing time, less competition
7- Better academics, Richt’s best APR score in SEC
8- Richt’s 76% winning percentage is higher than Saban’s 70%

Ultimately though, you don’t need to sell Georgia. You’re looking for guys who already are sold and committed. You want to avoid players who are double-minded and indecisive–they don’t amount to much and end up being a wash out or a behavior problem later–due to their 5 star entitlement mentality.

If your opinion of Georgia can change based on a 1-4 start, then you don’t have deep convictions.

MaconDawg

October 6th, 2010
11:20 am

Things are never as good or as bad as they seem.

collegeballfan

October 6th, 2010
11:21 am

“The fact is, Alabama kids are getting in trouble as well but it’s kept out of the news paper.”

How do you know this? Or are you just another writer of fiction?

Robert K. Burnham

October 6th, 2010
11:21 am

This is nothing a good hug from Mark Richt won’t fix

ddt

October 6th, 2010
11:21 am

The only thing he will get to do sooner than play football at UGA is see the inside of the local jails drunk tank.

shane

October 6th, 2010
11:22 am

Isaiah,
Alabama is at the pinnacle for sure. And UGA is struggling. So, u can go to bama and be a PART of something already going on… OR, you can come to UGA and help LEAD us back to where we can be. Your choice bro.

dawgster

October 6th, 2010
11:23 am

People…think about this..Crowell has never said those things before in any interview and is a big dawg fan..does that mean he go here..no…but he just came back from an impressive event at Bama and you can be sure alot of those thoughts were put into his head…i’m not saying they arfe not justified, but all of a sudden he is worried about arrests and talking about our problems…remember he just came off a visit to Bama…and he will be visiting Athens…although i don’t know how we can match that atmoshpere that he just came from…Dawg fans don’t get too bent out of shape over the recent comments, but i will say it is somewhat concerning…In my opinion if he really is a dawg fan, then he will come here….If Coach Richt is dismiiseed, and i don’t think that will happen, but if it should then he is gone…One thing i will add however…a top tier RB out of Fla is expected to announce by all indications that he will sign with Bama…if he does…that will play a big part in his decistion as the dawgs are putting all their efforts into Crowell…also,,Jarvis Jones who transferred in this year to the dawgs is a huge asset in this recruitment…anyone that says otherwise doesn’t have a clue…go dawgs…bottom line though is we need to start winning and things will improve..

collegeballfan

October 6th, 2010
11:24 am

“2- Nick Saban doesn’t get many guys to the NFL, Richt’s #1 in the SEC here”

If this is true why hasn’t Richt won a mythical national championship? All he has in 10 years is a couple of conference titles.

ddt

October 6th, 2010
11:28 am

Someone needs to tell the kid that a new purebred Uga is on the way and CMR is going to start leading the team out on the field dressed up like cheerleader. Big changes happening at UGA and I dont think the kid would want to miss all that excitement.

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NerdCentral@NorthAve

October 6th, 2010
11:29 am

UGA football is so bad, I am actually embarrased as a Tech fan, being from the same state as UGA football.

GaSou_Is_Back

October 6th, 2010
11:29 am

BILL

Here is a suggestion. Find a new job, because you SUCK at this one. Just YESTERDAY, you are QUOTED AS SAYING, “Yes, Georgia is a bit shy of top-rank talent at certain positions, especially on defense. That’s a challenge that I’m not sure this coaching staff is up to overcoming.”

But now they are competing for it?? You never addressed my other posts from the other blog, and until you do, I’m going to harass you about it. Either use references to back up this BS you’re spouting or just know that you are a complete failure at journalism. Since when is it acceptable to print this crap without any kind of documentation? I even provided evidence for you of a counter-argument. I think you’re scared myself… Probably why you blog for UGA.

Nick

October 6th, 2010
11:29 am

#9 Saban’s had 6 years where he has only won 6 or 7 games. Richt’s had zero. So, far, in 24 seasons, a team Richt has coached has never won less than 8 games. With Saban, 16% of the time, you’re getting a bad year with Saban where you only win 6 or 7 games.

Dawgs2010

October 6th, 2010
11:30 am

Coach Richt is a lame duck coach at this point. He has his little finger up Bobo’s butt as we speak.

You Know

October 6th, 2010
11:31 am

DDT, “First” in spanish is not “UNO”.

collegeballfan

October 6th, 2010
11:32 am

There is nothing wrong with the UGA running game that a bunch of top notch offensive linemen would not cure. Instead of getting upset over not signing a running back, try getting upset over not signing the top 6 OL in the state.

Until the rules are drastically changed football is still a game of blocking and tackling. UGA has a problem with blocking and tackling.
Solve that and the RB problem disappears.

ddt

October 6th, 2010
11:33 am

So what, I’m not spanish either.

Nick

October 6th, 2010
11:33 am

#10 Saban’s lack of loyalty to his teams have made him, according to places like Forbes, and Rival, the most hated coach in all of sports.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Forbes-Nick-Saban-is-the-most-hated-white-man-i?urn=ncaaf-179913

Buzzed

October 6th, 2010
11:34 am

All CMR needs to do is win out this season and they will probably sign this kid. It’s that simple really. I think we can do it, it all starts Saturday with a thumping of UT then a whooping of Vandy!

Ed

October 6th, 2010
11:35 am

“Mark Richt as a better shaper of young men than Nick Saban? Possibly.”

Hmmm…no. Richt hasn’t shown much in the shaping of young men department. Don’t see how Saban could be any worse.

MURPHY

October 6th, 2010
11:35 am

I do believe Crowell just sealed his fate on comming to UGA. Richt should pull the offer and move on. He isnt the only running back in the nation that can help us. Hearst,Hampton,Moreno,Musa, were all 2-3 star recruits. This is our problem,we put all our eggs in one basket.Go find a kid like the one you will see from Tenn this weekend.He runs hard and never takes off a play. Hmmmmmmm I gues he wasnt rated high enough for us to go after?

Dbalcer

October 6th, 2010
11:36 am

The arrest number includes driving issues which are not on the same level as arrests for abusing or stalking women etc. The media needs to stop treating all arrests equally. I hope he makes his decision based on what he wants to achieve as a player and who he wants to play for. If he comes to UGA I hope he comes fully committed. Our blogs need to focus on what is good for GA not be a part of stirring the pot.

You Know

October 6th, 2010
11:37 am

DDT, Just saying. You might as well have typed, “muscadine!”.

jjdawg

October 6th, 2010
11:38 am

You can tell that Crowell’s statements are coming from what he’s hearing from Alabama. I can’t blame Alabama for doing it.

ddt

October 6th, 2010
11:38 am

Win out the season with whoopings and thumpings, now that was funny! There will be some whoopings and thumpings alright, only UGA will be taking them instead of dishing them out.

bwell

October 6th, 2010
11:39 am

Knowing CMR he will not let that effect him, it-is-what-it-is. CMR will take FULL responsibility and explain to IC the changes that he will implement and how Georgia needs him. CMR is not going to let this caliber player leave the state without an fight. And maybe IC need to look in the mirror and show some LEADERSHIP and not jump ship, it is easy to leave when things are not going right, but to say I will commit and help change things thats a leader.

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dawgster

October 6th, 2010
11:42 am

Collegeballfan…have to agree with on the O-line issues…solve that problem and our RB’s would be doing ok…but with that being said, i still don’t see the breaking of tackles or picking up that extra yardage after contact that a very good back can bring…

Dawgbert

October 6th, 2010
11:43 am

All one has to do to verify that Richt has had more players go on to the NFL is to look at the rosters of all the NFL teams with which former UGA players are now playing. If you doubt Nick’s comment, collegeballfan, look it up yourself.

Nick

October 6th, 2010
11:43 am

Georgia has 38 players in the NFL right now.

Alabama has 25.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/college/_/letter/g

Players have a 65% higher chance of getting to the NFL with Georgia than Alabama.