What would SEC expansion mean for UGA?

What might SEC expansion mean to the Georgia-Auburn rivalry? (Associated Press)

What might SEC expansion mean to the Georgia-Auburn rivalry? (Associated Press)

It’s like following a soap opera: Will the Aggies follow Texas wherever it goes or step out of the Longhorns’ shadow? Might Virginia Tech be lured away from the ACC? Does a mega conference deserve two BCS bids?

Amid all the cliffhanger scenarios, impassioned debates and wild speculation about what will happen in the current conference realignment upheaval, there’s a more pertinent question for the Bulldog Nation: What would an expanded SEC mean for UGA?

Or, more particularly, what would a 16-team mega SEC mean for the Dogs?

Probably a scheduling nightmare, for starters. Mark Richt has gone on record as saying his main concern is that the SEC not add an additional conference game to the eight already played, and he’s probably not alone among conference coaches in feeling that way.

If the SEC winds up as a 16-team league, that most likely means two eight-team divisions. If you play every other team in your division every year, as is now the case, and you stick to eight conference games, that leaves only one team per year from the other division. If you up it to nine conference games per year, Georgia still would only be playing two teams from the SEC West.

How would rotating the teams from the other division work, and how would this impact longtime cross-division rivalries? Currently SEC schools each have one permanent opponent from the other division. Georgia’s is Auburn. What would happen to the Deep South’s oldest football rivalry in a 16-team league?

Of course, there probably would have to be a realignment of the divisions, especially if any of the Texas or Oklahoma schools came into the conference. Might Auburn move to the SEC East? That at least would maintain the rivalry with UGA. What about Alabama, would it make sense to have them and Florida and Georgia in the same division? And what if Florida State comes in? Do you keep both Sunshine State schools in the East?

How would you feel about Georgia winding up in the SEC West?

Also, assuming that the SEC lands some big-name teams and doesn’t have to resort to adding lesser programs just to reach the 16-team level — Louisville, anyone? — you’ve got to figure it will be tougher for Georgia (and everyone else in the conference) to get to the championship game.

No wonder a lot of of SEC fans wish someone would press the reset button and this whole mega-conference idea would just go away. Unfortunately, with big-bucks TV deals behind all of this, that’s not going to happen.

So what are your thoughts (and hopes and fears) about Georgia’s place in a new-look SEC?

167 comments Add your comment

Joe Mac

June 11th, 2010
8:28 pm

my thoughts are simple. No matter what happens, GET BETTER & HANDLE YOUR BUSINESS. I’m sick and tired of Richt’s scheduling remarks. Freakin get better and play ball.

I hope expansion happens and I wish like heck it’d be Texas, A&M, Ok., & Ok. St. And they move Bama & Auburn over. It won’t, but that’s my desire.

GET BETTER and be a big boy about it!

Customary Fact Checker

June 11th, 2010
8:31 pm

Interesting….UGA could and would not want to be in the West with the powers there.

Here is what the SEC will look like with 16 Teams:

East

UGA
Florida
Tennessee
S.C
Kentucky
**Clemson
** Miami
** GT

West

Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Miss.St.
Ole Miss
Arkansas
*Vanderbilt
** Florida State

You can bank on these and this alignment.

The SEC will not miss out on FSU and Miami(large Television Market)
GT is the Atlanta market, and Clemson will be the only one that might just might be replaced with Virginia Tech..but doubtful…Clemson makes a very good package…with great logistics…

What do you call a team without a QB?

June 11th, 2010
9:03 pm

Mr Bill, whatcha’ think about Lemay?

Customary Fact Checker

June 11th, 2010
9:05 pm

What do you call a team without a QB…

Wild Hog?….and a team that is required to run the ball for 80 plays a game…otherwise…..a losing program….

chris byard

June 11th, 2010
9:39 pm

this is a logistical “mega-nightmare.” first, let me state, let’s not get ahead of ourselves. then i have to say, leave the best conference in the land as is. if the pac 10 grows to 14 or 16 teams, it wont bother me. if the big ten has 15 member schools, i wont care. if the big twelve, wait….. 11,.wait….10, drops to the big(but not) 4, so be it. but wilth all the possible bcs bid ramifications aside, a 12 school sec(12 is 2 too many in my opinion(simply the number, dont infer reference to any schools)) is good the way it is. the sec does not need expansion. period. GOOOO DAWGS! SIC EM, WOOF,WOOF,WOOF,WOOF,WOOF!!!

Cap

June 11th, 2010
9:54 pm

Not sure why Bill King would be down on Louisville. The SEC doesn’t have the academic standards for institutions like the ACC. Louisville would be another mediocre football team like Kentucky but like Duke does for the ACC, Louisville and UK would actually make the SEC national contenders in basketball.

The SEC should go after West Virginia. WVU, Va Tech, Kentucky, and Tennessee have always belonged in the same conference (Appalachian Division?). I don’t think the SEC can get Va Tech though. Contrary to popular belief, Va Tech does not deliver the Washington DC market. There is no more presence of Va Tech in DC than Maryland, UVa, or WVU. Also, why would VaTech leave the ACC where they are a powerhouse to have to scrap in the same division with Georgia and Florida just for the right to play in the SEC Championship game?

tckr83

June 11th, 2010
10:19 pm

GTax-

There are a lot of rumorS (with links, I posted one of them) that might delay the announcement on Tuesday. Some or most of the Big12 South might go with Texas but TX A&M is a big hangup in the process. Apparently an OU coach has said OU is looking at the SEC (link above). To think the Pac 16 is signed and in the mail is a little premature at this point with all these other stories floating around.

If the SEC decides to expand, there will be teams waiting in line for offers to join the conference…

I dont like the 16 team idea and don’t understand the obsession with it… championships will be less for many, traditions/rivalries will suffer and the “wholesome” appeal of college athletics will be smashed by the almight dollar sign.

Big10 has 12. Pac10 go get up to 12 teams. Big 12 add TCU and another university… and everyone should be happy. Everything about college football i’ve come to know in my 27 years will disappear overnight with this expansion idea. Sad really.

tckr83

June 11th, 2010
10:28 pm

Fact checker-

Well lets see here… Nashville is 200 some odd miles WEST of Athens so…

col fot

June 11th, 2010
10:35 pm

UGA would still be a @ss kicking machine!!!

Customary Fact Checker

June 11th, 2010
10:50 pm

Just some pre-pre discussions on if, how, who, where, and why by the SEC Executive Committee. The first gestures were sent to prospective schools last week. The SEC really does not want to expand, however the economic pressures are the only reasons, and CBS, ESPN have had some conversations on how the expansion will increase the revenue for EACH school has taken place.
There is a core group that want FSU, MIAMI, CLEMSON, and GT. There is a second group that entertain the idea of growing the Basketball side of it, they want 18 to 20 teams with Divisions and Sub Divisions while bringing in N.C, DUKE, VIRGINIA, N.C. State along with the FSU, MIAMI, GT, CLEMSON schools. The talks are on going and now Texas A&M is throwing a monkey wrench into the pot, they want to get out of the TEXAS machine and all about TEXAS Attitude. The executive committee with the SEC is really chummy with some Texas A&M leadership….so it may add some flavor to some of the discussions.

The best thing TEXAS could do would to be start a Texas Conference, allow each school to add supplemental media contracts to a new Conference Televsion Network, the network would show High school events and championships and provide the recruiting edge that will keep those prospects in Texas. The A&M’s, Tech, TCU, U of Houston, Baylors are really tired of UT and their demands…..so I guess we will see.

PeachJam

June 11th, 2010
10:51 pm

Let’s keep it at 12 teams and let the Pac 16 implode.

DavidSDawg

June 11th, 2010
11:05 pm

I’l Take Tx A&M in the West and first dibs to GT in the East (Georgia homer thing) then FSU, then Clem & Son. We got GTU anyway, so ClemPson would be a good fit for Dawg fans and SC if the Mustard Nation Gnats were a no go.I’;d probably take Clemson over FSU in reality UF may be too in the way. I do not like the idea of UGA moving into the West.Nor do I like the idea of Bama in the East. Send Vanderbilt or Tennessee over there. Lets just trade Auburn for Tennessee since Bama and the Vols are like UGA and Auburn.No to the Sooner Nation and the Cow Pokes. Va Tech, again NO. I really do not care to see Va Tech anywhere, I’l turn the channel not to watch them.

Ok, My SEC would be : 16 team structure
West (Central TZ) East (Eastern TZ)
Alabama Georgia
Auburn Georgia Tech
Mississippi Florida
Miss State Florida State
LSU Clemson
Arkansas South Carolina
Texas A&M Tennessee
Vanderbilt Kentucky
14 team structure: drop two ACC additions probably FSU, Clemson
I prefer our in state rival to be in conference. If GT moved in we could pick up Clemson as a permanent Out of Conference opponent or keep the status quo with GT if Clem & Sons moved in.
As A Dawg Fan, some how in this I’d like to see the Georgia-Clemson Game resurrected as an annual tilt.
Go Dawgs, GATA

DavidSDawg

June 11th, 2010
11:09 pm

Well that list was botched
West, Central Time Zone
Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Missy State, LSU, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, Tx A&M

East Eastern Time Zone
UGA, GT, Clem and his Sons, South Carolina, Florida, FSU, Tennessee, Kentucky

Dawg 39

June 11th, 2010
11:23 pm

If absolutely necessary to expand: I like TA&M for the west & anyone mentioned but VT for the east. Outside of a new tv market which is not needed for continued SEC success, VT brings absolutely nothing to the SEC but long road trips & recruiting in what is already SEC territory.

Mike

June 11th, 2010
11:49 pm

Why A&M?
Top athletics (currently #12 Learfield all sports, above Texas)
Prestigious research school (#21 nationally,
including all ivy League schools, also above Texas). Top facilities. Ninth largest
endowment of all American universities (including Ivy League). Passionate fan base.
Great school with friendly fans that treat visiting teams with
respect. Texas $$$$$ for TV package.
#18 all time most successful in football. Granted A&M has
been lousy in football for past decade. But a win win for SEC IF SEC can
get them.
it would be a huge win-

tckr83

June 12th, 2010
12:09 am

I am of the group that thinks the SEC doesn’t HAVE to do anything in response to any of this expansion stuff.

But if the SEC were to expand… how could you not want VT? They’re the premier program of the ACC since joining.

VT is in a state that is currently without an SEC member, there will be new eyeballs everywhere for the SEC, they have a crazy fanbase that travels well (sounds familiar) and finally maybe this will lead to the answer for all SEC fans of what a freaking HOKIE actually is!

Money first of all is driving this, then football. Basketball is on the afterburners… hence Kansas’ most likely demotion to who knows where, just not anywhere near a top-notch conference, thats for sure.

Basketball just doesn’t bring da money.

See ya Duke and NCST, enjoy the ACC. Virginia? Add “Tech” onto that and you’re in. GT? You left the SEC once, we have UGA, and… you’re still nerds. Clemson? Maybe, I wouldn’t mind this one… but we have USC(east) and there’s already enough Orange and Tigers in the SEC.

North Carolina would be the only NC school to possibly join the SEC. Their football program actually has a heartbeat, their stadium is SEC worthy and just joining the SEC would improve it immediately… recruiting/more money/etc. Yea… their basketball team is pretty good too.

UNC’s Dean Dome capacity 22,000. Duke’s Wallace-Wade stadium for football? 33,000. Oh, and Duke wants equal share of the revenue given out every year too… NEXT!

tckr83

June 12th, 2010
12:23 am

Lynchburg is no further from the rest of the SEC East (which is where they would be) than Tallahassee is, and much closer than Miami. GT and Clemson are ideal, geographically… but do you really want Clemson and GT when VT, FSU, possibly either WVU or UNC would also be available?

minnesota dawg

June 12th, 2010
12:46 am

It’s starting to remind you of all the airline mergers! Why can’t we stick by regions. Whoever heard of inviting a Southwest team to be in the Pacific? I can see inviting Florida State and Miami to the SEC. What did the Big 12 do to make teams want to bolt? They were the second best conference! Go DAWGS and go SEC!

Rob

June 12th, 2010
12:50 am

The SEC paid out $17.3 million per school this year. If you add a school, then that school must increase conference revenue by $17.3 million or more; otherwise, the payout per team goes down. Maybe Texas does that, but I’m not convinced that anyone else does and frankly I don’t want to deal with Texas. The SEC should sit this one out. It will be fine at 12 teams – there is no need to dilute the brand. Bigger is not always better.

Uga 68

June 12th, 2010
1:41 am

I have a real fear Missouri may end up in the SEC. Texas schools aren’t coming. Texas has an ego way too big for the SEC. They would be just another power program among many…they can own the pathetic PAC-16. A&M doesn’t have the nerve not to do what the Longhorns tell them. The SEC will grab a few ACC teams to round it out. This will all hurt college football. Some programs like Texas just demand too much and destroy everything around them. Hey Mike…be strong and just stick with your current 12 members!!!!!

An idea

June 12th, 2010
2:15 am

Add these teams to SEC
Texas A&M, Missouri, Baylor, and (FSU or Clemson)
SEC goes to 4 pods instead of divisions

North Pod
Tennessee
Missouri
Kentucky
Vandy

West Pod
LSU
Texas A&M
Arkansas
Baylor

East Pod
Florida
Georgia
FSU or Clemson
South Carolina

South/Mid Pod
Alabama
Ole Miss
Auburn
Miss State

Good scheduling potentials exist with this setup and it extends the footprint of SEC

An idea further

June 12th, 2010
2:38 am

Schedule
Play every team in your pod
Play all teams in one other pod (rotate thru a 3 year cycle)
Plus a set rival game from one of the other two pods
8 conference games total
play 3 outside conf games
11 total
At end of season have a mini playoff ie
North champ vs West champ
South vs East
Then an SEC championship game – this would bring in the $$$$$ and viewers then onto the National championship game

An idea - now make it happen

June 12th, 2010
2:44 am

How to make a good thing better.
you are welcome SEC – Larry Scott

dawgs23

June 12th, 2010
3:29 am

i think we should keep every thing how it is we have made it this far so yeah

PDawg

June 12th, 2010
5:27 am

Money is to the SEC what the SUN is to your skin….too much causes cancer…..cancer is uncontrolled, nonhealthy growth.

bob smyrna

June 12th, 2010
6:44 am

Look at it logically.
Texas and OU are thing only schools worth pursuing. Great athletics and large audience additions. Of course, they would cause long travel for minor sports.
FSU and Miami are now 2nd tier teams in a state the SEC already owns.
Va Tech is having a nice run under Beamer, but expect a return to Bill Dooley level success in a few years. The DC area audience might be consideration.
Ga Tech . lol SEC owns Atlanta already. High school Stadium.

dabo

June 12th, 2010
7:25 am

So the Big 10 now has 12 teams and the Big 12 now has 10 teams. If it stays like this, they could just trade logos.

Gen Neyland

June 12th, 2010
7:40 am

Rumor out of the SEC Commissioner’s office is that talks are under-way to acquire the ACC ‘ By any means necessary ‘, including the secret ‘ Hostile Takeover Masterplan ‘. There will be 4 divisions : The East, West, Them and Those. Teams from the Them and Those Divisions will not be eligible to play in the SECCG for 20 years but will be allowed to purchase tickets to the SECCG game. Also as part of the deal, GT must begin selling it’s consessions and quit giving them away…More to follow…

Bart

June 12th, 2010
7:55 am

Serious Dawg fans need to start organizing and demanding that D. Evans fire Richt.

Otherwise, sports writers will be asking the same question this time a year from now.

Richt represents mediocrity. Saban and Meyer represent excellence and championships. Richt simply isn’t in their class, nor will he ever be. Richt would have to be incredibly lucky to win the division, and the odds against him winning the SEC championship go up to at least 20:1.

Those are the simple facts, and there’s no amount of enthusiasm or cheerleading or Top 5 recruiting classes that can get around it.

As they say in poker, “Read ‘em and weep.”

ATL G8R

June 12th, 2010
9:01 am

SEC adding 2 schools makes sense…make it a 9 game schedule instead of 8…each school loses one patsy game but can still have at least 7 home games (they will either have 4 or 5 league games every year).

A&M to the West makes sense…could be Mizzou as the 2nd school….Aub and Bama move to the East. This protects the rivalries of Aub/GA and Bama/UT.

Does Mizzou make the biggest splash though? They may be the best option. VT doesn’t come without UVA…doesn’t sound like a ton of interest in adding FSU or UM as UF already delivers the larger TV markets in FL (Tampa/St Pete, Orlando/Daytona/Melbourne, Miami/Ft Laud)

Of course…don’t put it past Mike Slive…maybe he is secretly making a play for ND…..

Chris

June 12th, 2010
9:14 am

I don’t believe the SEC needs the Texas Schools, it is Legitimate without them. If I am the SEC, I go after Oklahoma & Oklahoma St and then Add either Clemson & Virginia Tech OR Florida State and Clemson.

I also would go 4 divisions…..Have a Semi Final and then a conference Championship and begin to give the fans and the College Football world the playoff system we all want.

minnesota dawg

June 12th, 2010
9:41 am

Bart, I don’t agree with you. Richt is a legitimate threat to every SEC team. Look at the records! Florida is the only one we have had trouble with and that will change starting this year.

Texas Jacket

June 12th, 2010
10:29 am

bitterDAWG: you are forgetting LSU to your list. Maybe you can’t count. SEC should just stay the way it is.

wildbill

June 12th, 2010
10:40 am

What about Georgia State? Just a matter of time……. It sure would be better than some teachers college in Timbuctoo, New Mexico. I kinda like the sound of Georgia State!

Bryan Edwards

June 12th, 2010
10:56 am

Keep the SEC as it is! Why mess with a good thing….. It’s only the best conference in college football!

GaDawg

June 12th, 2010
11:03 am

@Uga 68
I have the same feeling about Missouri. I think the main question we need to know about any school that the SEC picks up, as Rob pointed out, is can they bring with them $17.3 million or more? I’m sure that Mike Slive knows what he is doing,so well just have to wait for his decision on who comes in.

KeithB

June 12th, 2010
11:14 am

“We are the best and toughest football conference in the nation”

By “we” you mean UF and Bama. I love how UGA fans are so quick to take credit for something they haven’t done. Even when you won the SEC back when, you were relegated to playing WVU and Hawaii, and not a NC. Please quit with all this conference talk and hope that UGA can play for a title in the next 30 years. That or become a Gator or Tide fan. Tough, right? Like Vandy tough, MSU tough, Kentucky tough, Tenn tough, South Carolina tough. Please stop leaning on the SEC crutch, and accept the fact that UGA underachieves year after year. If you want to tell me how good Florida and Bama are, I am all ears. At least you get a nice amount of money from their success.

Customary Fact Checker

June 12th, 2010
11:18 am

Lets get some Facts Straight…the SEC as of today only wants FSU and Miami. The entire state of Florida would be in the SEC. The Television markets will be covered. The Conference will get major pressure to take GT and Clemson.

Taking Texas will bring alot of high maintenance……and Oklahoma really wants to go to a conference where THEY can win Championships…..the SEC is not the answer for them….

Greenhulk

June 12th, 2010
11:32 am

Reports have SEC offering Texas A&M, Texas, Oklahoma, West Virginia.

LT Hokie

June 12th, 2010
11:42 am

Cap,

Since VT joined the ACC they now have DC radio stations broadcasting football and basketball games. About 40% of VT alumni are in the DC market. VT would bring VA, DC, and MD suburbs into the television market.

Life Coach

June 12th, 2010
11:56 am

SEC dreamers: Forget Ga Tech joining the SEC! They left for good reason. Also if you check the records you will find that GT has more SEC championships than most of the SEC teams. And they have been out of the SEC almost 50 years!

Life Coach

June 12th, 2010
12:01 pm

Georgia has been getting a lot of hype for their “new dream” team. It will turn out to be another 7/5 season. As always, another disappointment. Thirty years and counting!

1eyedJack

June 12th, 2010
12:26 pm

The ACC could be savaged by the SEC. What does that say for the relavancy of that conference?

1eyedJack

June 12th, 2010
12:27 pm

Rats will desert a sinking ship.

chris

June 12th, 2010
1:11 pm

Potential New SEC Conference

EAST- Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, S. Carolina, Kentucky
CENTRAL- Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss. St., Vanderbilt
WEST- Arkansas, LSU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Texas A&M

Total Teams 15

1. Play all in your division (4 games)
2. Play 3 outside your division (1 permanent + 2 on rotation)
3. Play 3 whoever you want

Road to championship
2 weeks before conference championship…every team plays in conference except top team in conference overall (must be division champ)…also the #2 & 3 in conference (must be division champ) play each other…schedule determined by conferenced and announced on Monday.

Championship
Winner of #2 & 3 vs #1

Chickasaw

June 12th, 2010
1:35 pm

Put me down in the “why fix what ain’t broken?” camp, but if we must add, limit it to 2. Best ideas I’ve seen here are to add 2 current Big 12 programs and move UA and AU to SEC East. Preserves AU-UGA and UA-UT rivalries, re-lights the old AU-UF, AU-UT, UA-UGA, LSU-A&M rivalry games, and reinforces the already re-ignited Ark-A&M rivalry game. Rivalry games matter–the fans love them and they preserve what is most unique to college f’ball v other sports: ancient traditions steeped in legend and lore, passed down thru generations. There is a cost, tho: UA’s rivalry games with the Miss schools and LSU are diminished. Also, at least for near future, East would become nastier than West–perfect seasons practically impossible! AND NO NAME CHANGE–SEC is SEC forever!

boots

June 12th, 2010
7:17 pm

This move towards several mega-conferences will make it much harder to NOT have a NC tourney. If the SEC adds either TX school and VT or FL State, it will be virtually impossible to have any SEC go through the schedule undefeated. (The Pac-10 and Big 10, on the otherhand, will not have that problem.) Here’s why: the SEC East could be: UGA, FL, VA Tech, TN, FL State, UK, USC and Vandy. That would be 4 tough games, plus the Western team (say, Bama, LSU, Auburn, Texas A&M), PLUS the SEC Championship. No way a team runs that schedule. Now, the PAC-10 is basically the Big 12, minus Nebraska (maybe Tex A&M), and a much weakened Southern Cal. The Big 10 just adds Nebraska. Both conferences don’t have a championship game, which is odd.

The SEC would be lucky to have a team with one loss, and the National Championship cannot exist without an SEC team in it with those schedules. If it did, it would be a joke.

boots

June 12th, 2010
7:26 pm

What if the SEC added… Texas, Texas A&M, OK, OK State, FL State, Miami, Louisville, and VA Tech? Create an SEC North & South conference, along with the East & West. Each has 5 teams. Then at the end of the year, you have a four-team playoff. Winner = National Champion.

Matt Holcomb

June 12th, 2010
8:00 pm

SEC will need to respond to the Pac 10 (16) expansion…but why to 16 teams…why not a 14 team SEC? Just add Texas A&M and West Virgina, if they accepted of course. Texas A&M would play in the West and West Virgina plays in the East.

This way it doesnt mess up the west/east rivarly game, and an east team would still play 2 west teams…keeping it 8 SEC games per year for each team.

Matt Holcomb

June 12th, 2010
8:18 pm

GO for a 14 TEAM SEC…not 16…quality not quanity

SEC East
Florida
Georgia
Tenn
Vandy
Kentucy
South Carolina
WEST VIRGINA

SEC west
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Ole Miss
Miss State
Arkansas
TEXAS A&M