What would SEC expansion mean for UGA?

What might SEC expansion mean to the Georgia-Auburn rivalry? (Associated Press)

What might SEC expansion mean to the Georgia-Auburn rivalry? (Associated Press)

It’s like following a soap opera: Will the Aggies follow Texas wherever it goes or step out of the Longhorns’ shadow? Might Virginia Tech be lured away from the ACC? Does a mega conference deserve two BCS bids?

Amid all the cliffhanger scenarios, impassioned debates and wild speculation about what will happen in the current conference realignment upheaval, there’s a more pertinent question for the Bulldog Nation: What would an expanded SEC mean for UGA?

Or, more particularly, what would a 16-team mega SEC mean for the Dogs?

Probably a scheduling nightmare, for starters. Mark Richt has gone on record as saying his main concern is that the SEC not add an additional conference game to the eight already played, and he’s probably not alone among conference coaches in feeling that way.

If the SEC winds up as a 16-team league, that most likely means two eight-team divisions. If you play every other team in your division every year, as is now the case, and you stick to eight conference games, that leaves only one team per year from the other division. If you up it to nine conference games per year, Georgia still would only be playing two teams from the SEC West.

How would rotating the teams from the other division work, and how would this impact longtime cross-division rivalries? Currently SEC schools each have one permanent opponent from the other division. Georgia’s is Auburn. What would happen to the Deep South’s oldest football rivalry in a 16-team league?

Of course, there probably would have to be a realignment of the divisions, especially if any of the Texas or Oklahoma schools came into the conference. Might Auburn move to the SEC East? That at least would maintain the rivalry with UGA. What about Alabama, would it make sense to have them and Florida and Georgia in the same division? And what if Florida State comes in? Do you keep both Sunshine State schools in the East?

How would you feel about Georgia winding up in the SEC West?

Also, assuming that the SEC lands some big-name teams and doesn’t have to resort to adding lesser programs just to reach the 16-team level — Louisville, anyone? — you’ve got to figure it will be tougher for Georgia (and everyone else in the conference) to get to the championship game.

No wonder a lot of of SEC fans wish someone would press the reset button and this whole mega-conference idea would just go away. Unfortunately, with big-bucks TV deals behind all of this, that’s not going to happen.

So what are your thoughts (and hopes and fears) about Georgia’s place in a new-look SEC?

167 comments Add your comment

BuLLDawg full of crap

June 11th, 2010
2:14 pm

Dang another Jawga recruit with issues. LMAO. Ole Richto doesn’t realize character is a component of success. But when your desperate to fill another gimmick–see Dream Team–you continue to show your a substandard coach.

Colorado Dawg

June 11th, 2010
2:39 pm

I’m hearing from someone in Ole Miss’ AD that the SEC has or will shortly extend invitations to North Carolina, Duke, VT, and Texas A&M. Has anyone else heard anything about this??

droopydawg

June 11th, 2010
2:42 pm

We should, at most, go to 14 teams adding TX if that is possible. If not, either FSU or VT along with Tech or Clemson. I know it has no practical shot of happening, but I wish we could trade Vandy to the ACC for either Tech or Clemson and stand pat otherwise.

On a related note, I do not see why the Big 12 should crumble because they lost one of their worst teams (CO) and a team from a nothing state that hasn’t done much recently (NEB). Certainly the conference would be stronger by adding two of Utah, BYU, Boise State (in many preseason top-5s), and especially TCU. Granted none of these teams help that much in terms of TV revenue or an “expanded footprint” (who cares about UT and ID), but I find it hard to believe that losing the Omaha and Denver media markets is an earth-shatteringly big deal.

droopydawg

June 11th, 2010
2:43 pm

Hey Colorado Dawg, there is no way in hell the SEC is offering up to UNC and Duke. Also little chance of the SEC taking TAM without UT.

Colorado Dawg

June 11th, 2010
2:47 pm

It definitely surprised me a bit when I heard it. The only thing I could think of was that it would make the SEC the premier conference in both football and basketball. I’ve got no idea when it comes to A&M…

tckr83

June 11th, 2010
2:51 pm

Col Dawg-
Haven’t heard that one. Article on ESPN the other day on Slive said that, if Nebraska bolted to the bigTEN, the bigTEN would got to 16 teams in phases and the SEC would invite TX A&M, VT, FSU and GT. I’d rather have WVU or North Carolina than FSU… but who knows at this point!

Why can the bigten just add ONE team for a total of 12 and the Pac 10 add two teams and be done with it???

Next thing you know… we’ll be seeing bailouts for college football! Too big to fail! (joke)

1980 was so long ago

June 11th, 2010
2:53 pm

Will be even longer if more quality teams are added to SEC

tckr83

June 11th, 2010
3:03 pm

You know that all the “lesser teams” in the already major conferences are like: “this is just great… can we make our own league?”

East Division: Vandy, Northwestern, Duke, Indiana, Syracuse, NOTRE DAME (about the same SOS anyway…)

West Division: Baylor, Iowa State, Washington State, Missippi State and either of the Arizona schools.

like a Fox

June 11th, 2010
3:06 pm

expansion of the SEC would mean 8th place instead of 3rd !!

TidePride

June 11th, 2010
3:09 pm

If we are to expand; Texas A&M on the West with Ga Tech or Va Tech in the East would be ok. I am not a fan of expansion but I feel it will happen.

The fact is that teams could add another conf game, but the regular season should go back to 11 games. The Tide plays Ga State this year; no one wants to see that. Time to eliminate the Div 1 aa (bowl subdivision) games.

like a Fox

June 11th, 2010
3:10 pm

Texas will never come to the SEC…..

tckr83

June 11th, 2010
3:12 pm

I’m pretty sure anyone with a television set knows Texas isn’t coming b/c they can win more championships in the Pac 16/11/10 than they could in the SEC…

TX A&M on the other hand is VERY interested in joining the SEC if invited…

BEST SCENARIO

June 11th, 2010
3:16 pm

SEC should invite TX, TXAM, OK, AND OKSTATE TO WEST, MOVE ALABAMA AND AUBURN TO THE EAST, THIS CREATES A MORE ACCEPTABLE TRAVEL AND SCHEDULE FOR THE DIVISIONS. THE BEST OF ALL THE NEW SEC CHAMPIONSHIP WILL BE A MINI BCS CHAMPIONSHIP SINCE IN THE LAST 4 OR 5 YEARS, THE TEAMS IN THE NEW SEC WERE IN THE BCS CHAMPIONSHIP THEMSELVES.

17 of 20

June 11th, 2010
3:17 pm

I hope the SEC would add Florida State and Miami.

BEST SCENARIO

June 11th, 2010
3:20 pm

ADDENDUM: THE NEW SEC WEST WILL BE LIKE TO OLD BIG 12, AND THE EAST WILL BE THE ORIGINAL SEC. THAT SHOULD SELL A LOT OF TV TIME AND EXCITEMENT.

Franky Wade

June 11th, 2010
3:30 pm

Louisville is a lesser program! Does not mean that you are good in one sport that you can put down four teams from the SEC. C’mon, have you recently visited UofL? The school puts too much emphasis on its sports facilities rather than its academic structures and school grounds. If you want to be part of the SEC.. you have to have the full package! Louisville will NEVER have that SEC appeal! I sure hope you can fill up that new top tier at your football stadium!

tbone

June 11th, 2010
3:35 pm

Isn’t TA&M the only team that has shown any interest? Adding Texas as a recruiting base would be major, particularly for LSU & ARK. I do not see how adding VT or UM would benefit the SEC, even with the added TV market.
Are we getting ahead of ourselves? Not sure Texas, GT, Clemson, or FSU would accept an invitation to join the SEC.
Finally, leave it alone; it ain’t broke. But, IF we have to add 4 teams (& they agree), I would go with Texas ( they refuse), TA&M, GT, Clemson & FSU. I do not understand the anti GT theme I see here.

BEST SCENARIO

June 11th, 2010
3:45 pm

CALL THE NEW SEC —– BIG SOUTHERN CONFERENCE

BEST SCENARIO

June 11th, 2010
3:46 pm

BIG SOUTHERN CONFERENCE—– THAT SHOULD SATISFY THE BIG 12 AND SEC FANS.

Bobb Cobb

June 11th, 2010
4:03 pm

A&M would a good addition. It would bring the SEC some much needed academic credentials. It also is one of the top money generators in the country and among the winningest programs historically. Most important, it within a 3 hour radius of 3 of the largest cities and markets in the country.

NEWS FLASH

June 11th, 2010
4:14 pm

I heard that Bama would like to join the ACC. A lot of good money in future business in the ACC. Besides with Texas going to the PAC – the SEC is second best even if Slive gets 2 Miamis, 2 FSUs, or 2 Clempsons (why the SEC would want one, I don’t know). PAC-16 #1 – SEC #2 or #3 – Believe IT!

NEWS FLASH

June 11th, 2010
4:24 pm

IM DUMB AS A BRICK

meh

June 11th, 2010
4:34 pm

I say the SEC should give Arkansas to the Big 12 since they’ll need a replacement for Colorado. Then the SEC should take Clemson or UNC to fill Arkansas’ spot. And the ACC should take Rutgers or South Florida from the Big East. The Big East can pick up ECU or to fill their hole. any whatever conference ECU currently resides in is just SOL.

meh

June 11th, 2010
4:35 pm

I think Texas is scared of the SEC

John H.

June 11th, 2010
4:36 pm

***EALEY FOR HEISMAN***

Jim Doanan as in Doans Pills

June 11th, 2010
4:45 pm

Lemay Kid may be an addict for luv…..

tckr83

June 11th, 2010
4:47 pm

Anybody that says such and such a team wouldn’t go to the SEC if offered is fooling themselves… SEC = $$$

Barring a “combo deal”, like what seems to be Texas’ intent here or the state governments getting involved or it’s decided it would be easier to win championships in their current league… VT, UNC, TX A&M, GT, CLEM, FSU, WVU, Miami,(Insert team here)… would all be packing their bags for greener pastures of the SEC.

Whiskeydawg

June 11th, 2010
4:50 pm

SINCE IT’S ALL GOING TO END UP “FKD” ANYWAY, HOW ABOUT THIS:
SEC EAST: GA / FL / Faber College / Vndy/ SC /William & Mary / KY / TN
SEC WEST: ALA / AUB / Michigan State / AK / MS / MST/ Missouri Beautician Institute /LSU

tckr83

June 11th, 2010
4:58 pm

Newflash-

Pipedream.

SEC is in a position where they don’t have to do anything if they don’t want to…

If they SEC were to add any combo of VT, FSU, CLEM, GT, TX A&M, WVU, UNC, Miami… it would be a gauntlet and the SEC champion would be in the BCS every year regardless of their record. Any team in that conference would most likely play anywhere from (low end) 6-7 to (high end) 8-9 teams that would be in the Top 25, depending on schedule rotation.

The SEC winning 4 BCS titles in a row has ALOT to do with whats going on right now. SEC officials didn’t start this stuff, but if forced to react with other conferences going to 16 teams… they’ll sure as heck finish it.

Cobra41

June 11th, 2010
5:04 pm

A couple of thoughts about expansion …

1. The SEC has been the best for the last few years, but we should not plan our future by looking in the rearview mirror. Expansion must be done.

2. Population growth is to the South and West, with FL and GA leading growth in the South. Picking up enough sensible rivalries to the West are unlikely (TX, TXAM, etc.), however, Locking the ACC or any other conference out of the rapid growth states of FL,GA & SC by adding GA Tech, Clemson, FLS and Miami makes a lot of sense. All of these already have great intrastate rivalry games with SEC counterparts. The SEC should defend its growing lucrative Southeastern territory.

GaDawg

June 11th, 2010
5:12 pm

This is a MUST READ for the politics behind the mega conference concept. Basically, the Big 12 blew it!!! http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-expansion060610

tckr83

June 11th, 2010
5:29 pm

Breaking news! SEC expansion talks!
http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2010/6/10/1509040/why-sec-expansion-might-not-be

Every SEC fans will enjoy this… except maybe Auburn.

Bibble

June 11th, 2010
5:29 pm

How about this alignment for a new-look SEC:

East: Georgia, Iowa State, Florida, Florida State, Syracuse, Vandy, Tennessee, Kentucky, South Carolina, Rutgers, Kansas, Kansas State, Utah State, and Baylor

West: LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Missouri, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Miss. St., Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Notre Dame, Houston, West Virginia, and New Mexico State (lock up the Las Cruces, NM market)

College football could go to an 18-game schedule. Each team could play a 13-game division schedule and add 4 games from the other division each year, on a rotating basis. That would leave one game a year for a non-conference rival, a directional school, or a I-AA patsy.

A conference championship game could then be played, and the winner gets a birth in the national semifinals against the survivor of the Big 22, or Pac 20, or the (Really) Big East Conference. The winners of the two semifinals could then advance to the Progressive Insurance National Championship Game co-sponsored by UPS in late February in the New Meadowlands stadium, where it is hoped that, despite the horrible NY-area weather, the game will attract a lot of local interest among TV viewers in the New York – Jersey market.

Although the eventual champion would have to play a 21-game schedule, the danger of losing half your team to injuries could be mitigated by allowing roster sizes to expand to 150 and each team could sign 40 players on signing day. That would allow teams like Florida, Texas and USC to have 5-star recruits throughout their 3-deep charts. Besides, losing 2 or 3 games would be irrelevant, as no one could argue the merits of say an 18-3 Alabama team taking the crown after it defeated a 17-4 USC team for all the marbles, even if a 20-0 Utah or TCU team gets snubbed from time to time.

Oldtimers would then be nostalgic for ‘07, when a two-loss LSU team took a make-believe title.

I mean, if we are going to go big, then let’s go big.

Standing on the sidelines

June 11th, 2010
5:32 pm

Unless Richt can figure out a way to beat Urban, it won’t make any difference.

tckr83

June 11th, 2010
5:37 pm

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
5:41 pm

Awesome! Bring on OU and A&M. That would be all that the SEC would need to do. This way the ACC stays in tact as well.

Bibble

June 11th, 2010
5:42 pm

Oklahoma to the SEC (probably the East division). In today’s environment, makes perfect sense. About as much sense as Oklahoma in the Pac 10. Who doesn’t think of the Pacific Ocean when conjuring up images of Norman, Oklahoma?

The Braves once played in the NL West, so in sports, absolutely anything is possible.

tckr83

June 11th, 2010
5:48 pm

Urban had one of the best COLLEGE players of all-time for 4 years… let’s see what he does now after losing pretty much everyone. Don’t crown his butt just yet, success comes and goes…

He’s a great coach, not exactly my favorite and he’ll still be successful… but it’s very hard to maintain that kind’ve success he’s had over the last few years… unless you pull a USC… and even I don’t think Urban is as bad as Pete “cut-n-run” Carroll, who was SHOCKED by the NCAA ruling the other day… just SHOCKED.

tckr83

June 11th, 2010
5:53 pm

If the BigTen and Pac10 go to 16 teams… and the SEC adds OU and A&m, i’d like to see VT and either WVU or UNC come to the SEC as well.

FSU turned down the SEC once, Miami… nuff said and GT/Clemson… they’d be okay. Just not on par with VT’s program.

Sam Robards, Dawg Fan

June 11th, 2010
6:16 pm

First of all, I don’t think the SEC needs to expand UNLESS an unfair advantage is given to 16-team conferences (2 AUTOMATIC BCS slots). If they give the 16-team conferences that unfair advantage, then the SEC has to get on the offensive

But NOT at the expense of the UGA/Auburn rivalry. Move ‘em to the SEC East, keep ‘em as our cross-division rival, whatever. UGA MUST play Auburn year-in and year-out.

Now that that’s outta the way, who would I add if/when the SEC expands?
-If we only add two teams: Texas A&M and VA Tech.
Both add new markets (expecially A&M) and both fit culturally with the SEC (the Bear coached
at A&M, too, if I recall correctly). Also, who wouldn’t wanna see a Tennessee/Va Tech game
in Bristol with 150,000 fans? That’d be great.
-If we add four teams: Texas A&M, VA Tech, Oklahoma and Clemson. Oklahoma, while not part
of huge tv markets, recruits HEAVILY from TEXAS, which would open that area up to SEC teams
playing in Norman (besides, my best friend is a Sooner [They're my 3rd fave since I was born in
Lawton, OK], and I’d love to have bragging rights over him). As for Clemson, they wouldn’t open
new markets, either, but they’re such a good cultural fit with the SEC, and I want the
UGA/Clemson rivalry resumed.

Now, for those saying, “But Texas A&M? What have they done lately?” Not much, admittedly, but if they could say they were an SEC school, you can bet they’d be a HELLUVA lot more competitive on the recruiting trail against Texas, TTU, etc., and they’d be back in prime shape before you know it. Also, A&M has history with a couple SEC schools (Arkansas and LSU), so the shoe fits. Their geography also isn’t completely outta the way to schools in the SEC West (except for Auburn and maybe ‘Bama, but that’s why they have airplanes).

“Why not Texas,” you ask? Well, for one, Texas has no interest in the SEC, unlike A&M. And two, Texas wants to be the boss, which wouldn’t (and SHOULDN’T) happen in the SEC.

Who else shouldn’t be in the SEC?

Georgia Tech

Not only are they NOT a cultural fit in the conference, they also burned their SEC bridges when they left in ‘64. For those who try to point out Vandy as a cultural mis-match, Vandy was a founding member that DIDN’T bail on the conference in a p!ssing match with Bear Bryant and is immune from said argument, in my humble opinion.

But, to reiterate, I don’t think the SEC should expand unless not doing so puts it at a direct disadvantage in relation to 16-team conferences. Though I wouldn’t mind staying at 12 teams, dropping South Carolina and picking up Clemson … oh, the possibilities…

Cobra41

June 11th, 2010
6:33 pm

All talk about “kicking out” or “dropping” a conference member is pure idiot-talk.

GaDawg

June 11th, 2010
6:45 pm

I’m thinking it will be OU, and aTm in the West, as for the East, IF we can get VT, what other eastern school would be a real “value added” candidate for the SEC? By “value added”, I’m referring to a school who is financially strong, and will increase our TV footprint the most.

andrew

June 11th, 2010
6:49 pm

Three 6 team divisions: SEC West: Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, Texas Tech; SEC Central: LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St., Auburn, Alabama, UK, SEC East: UGA, Tenn, UF, USC, Vandy, Clemson

Psycho Analyst

June 11th, 2010
6:55 pm

You are a sick dude, Bibble.

tckr83

June 11th, 2010
7:02 pm

GaDawg-

What do you think about adding VT and UNC to the EAST in your scenario?

tckr83

June 11th, 2010
7:05 pm

Oh crap… nevermind this expansion stuff…

The SEC just merged with the NFL…

Pac10 and Big10, knock yourselves out.

GTax

June 11th, 2010
7:28 pm

If the Pac-16 comes to fruition adding Texas, TT, TAMU, Ok St., and OK, which it looks like it might just do on Tuesday, you can forget the SEC being the dominant conference.

If the SEC wants to remain dominant they too will have to expand to keep up the Pac-16 and possibly the Big-16.

GaDawg

June 11th, 2010
7:38 pm

tckr83

June 11th, 2010
7:02 pm
I’ ve thought about UNC, but from what I have read they would probably have to be a package deal. I am not sure that they would increase the TV viewing footprint. Do you know if we are already in the NC area?

GaDawg

June 11th, 2010
8:12 pm

I just learned that the SEC-TV Network footprint includes only the nine states where the member institutions are located. The addition of VT, UNC,OU, and A&M would increase that footprint to a thirteen state area. I’m not yet sure about ESPN, CBS etc.

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