Does an expanded SEC without a Texas school make sense?

sec logoI’ve said before here that I don’t think the SEC should consider adding teams unless it expands its geographic (read: television) footprint — specifically, into the state of Texas.

It only makes sense to add teams in states where the SEC already has members if you’re filling out a 16-team league that has expanded the conference’s borders. Sure, a Clemson or Florida State would be a good match in terms of tradition and on-field product for the existing SEC membership, but the conference wouldn’t gain much in terms of market reach by adding them, although the Seminoles are a big-name program with a national profile.

However, if Texas and Texas A&M really do join a mass exodus of six programs from the Big 12 to the PAC 10, as has been rumored — and that’s a mighty big if, I think, where the Longhorns and Aggies are concerned — Mike Slive and the SEC presidents are going to be under increasing pressure to react.

(I still think that if it’s apparent the Big 12 is falling apart, Texas and/or Texas A&M might find the financial setup of the SEC, where teams can sell their own ancillary media rights to supplement the CBS/ESPN deal, more attractive than the sort of league-takes-all arrangement they’ll likely see in the PAC.)

If the Texas schools do go to the PAC, though, might the SEC still expand its geographic reach by peeling Virginia Tech away from the ACC? Does the new, richer TV deal the ACC recently signed mean it will be more difficult to lure the Hokies or Clemson or FSU into the SEC? If so, where else might the conference look?

Finally, does the SEC even need to expand, no matter what other conferences do? A good case can be made that standing pat with the 12 teams it has now be the safest move in the midst of all the ensuing turmoil as the Big 12 (and probably Big East) get dismembered.

One thing you can be sure of: The SEC will be looking to its financial bottom line in whatever it does. And that’s a good thing for Georgia.

This is going to get really interesting.

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June 4th, 2010
10:52 am

I’m glad UGA is in the SEC and doesn’t have to worry about it’s conference falling apart around them. If we could add a few quality teams, then let’s expand a bit.


June 4th, 2010
11:01 am

I’m all for grabbing up Texas and A&M… They’re not exactly in the southeast, but tradition-driven programs that take pride in the game nonetheless. And let’s be honest–the state of Texas IS football. They have high school stadiums that put college stadiums around the country to shame. Tradition, pride, love for the game–those are SEC qualities that Texas and A&M would only bolster.


June 4th, 2010
11:04 am

I would look hard at taking OU and Texas just to keep that rivalry alive. Add in Texas A&M and you need one more. FSU/Clemson/Miami/Virginia Tech would all be great options.

I would think real hard about dropping Kentucky and taking FSU & VT.

Sugar Hill Dawg

June 4th, 2010
11:24 am

IF the SEC feels the need to expand, then adding Texas and A&M would be no-brainers. (The obvious question – do they want to “Go East Young Man?”) Adding VA Tech (contiguous to Tennessee and Kentucky – makes sense) and UVA (I assume they’re a matched set, sorta like the Aggies and the ‘Horns) would make geographic/TV sense. (I recall a couple of years ago someone offered to play the UT – VA Tech match-up at Bristol – 166,000 or more in attendance. That would be a great neutral site matchup along the lines of Jax.) Question: Does the conference split into two eight team divisions (annual games vs division, rotate the other division on a four on, four off). If so, add the UGA – GA Tech game – no room for out of conference games/trips. (No more PAC 10, Big 12 trips to Tempe, Boulder, etc.)

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

June 4th, 2010
11:38 am

These decisions are above my pay grade. Just play ball


June 4th, 2010
11:49 am

The powers-that-be are going to mess up college football beyond all recognition if they aren’t careful. Getting rid of ties was the first bad move. Some of the most famous games in history were ties or efforts to avoid ties – Michigan State-Notre Dame in ‘66, The Choke at Doak, ‘84 Orange Bowl, Pat “Tie”, etc. Now we have overtimes where the least exhausted wins by basketball scores. Then, we lost, to a large degree, conference tie-ins to major bowls. The Cotton Bowl, maybe the most storied bowl in college football, became an also-ran. We created something called the BCS, which basically narrows the potential national championship contenders to half of D-1, giving us a 2-loss champion in ‘07. Now we’re talking the break-up of a great conference and putting Texas in the SEC, or the Pac 10, or the Big 10, where in any scenario it would be a fish out of water. Leave the damn game alone for once.

Ron Mexico

June 4th, 2010
11:53 am

Agreed Chin Ho

Dawg 39

June 4th, 2010
11:55 am

Is the Big Ten (little 11) looking at GT ? The Atlanta/GT TV market seems to be of interest to them.


June 4th, 2010
12:06 pm

if it makes $ it makes sense. The only reason anyone is doing anything is to make more $ for the conference so that’s the only reason any kind of expansion is going to make sense.

All these people yammering on about Academics are sadly mistaken.

Old Dawg

June 4th, 2010
12:09 pm

Adding schools from Texas to the SEC would be a logistical and financial nightmare. Always remember, if you bring in schools from other areas of the country you have to figure in the costs of sending non-revenue sports for away games. Travel costs are killing athletic department budgets, regardless of the division, size of schools etc.

Football pays the freight for the majority of athletic programs, which would mean that fans would have to spend more money to attend games. There would be increases in TV revenue with Texas schools, but there other costs related would eat those dollars quickly.


June 4th, 2010
12:15 pm

Texas A&M currently has very serious financial issues.

I rank it a very high probability that they move to the SEC.

Arkansas really wants to pickup that rivalry game again, even more so now that they play that game at Jerry World. SEC’s gotta just love that.
SEC doesnt need all of Texas TV market, just a toehold will suffice.

Frankly, I really dont think Clemson or FSU would go to SEC.

Even Bobby Bowden didnt like the prosepct of playing AU & Bama every year. Clemson is an ACC charter member and used to “own” the ACC. Dont think they’d want to move either. Miami could use the money, but Florida despises Miami more than FSU. Miami doesnt view themselves as a “southern” school. So, dont think Miami goes to SEC.

WV or NCState seem the most likely candidates.

That’d make 14 teams, and 2 new states. Not too shabby.


June 4th, 2010
12:26 pm

The State of Texas simply isn’t in the SOUTH EASTERN UNITED STATES. Why on Earth would they play in the South Eastern Conference?

They need to stay out West.


June 4th, 2010
12:29 pm

agree with the fwiw guy

longtime a&m friends are saying its already a done deal for a&m to join the sec. state of texas knows a&m is in big money trouble and has already agreed to clear the way for them to go to the sec. a&m is in a situation so desparate that they will definitely leave the big12 for the sec.

a pac10 big12 wont happen. major travel issues have already surfaced in teh recent past so that wont happen. think big12 replaces a&m with a texas-based school, like tcu, smu, houston, or utep. that way more big12 money money stays in the state of texas.

however, same a&m friends have said recruiting gold-mine
memphis has come up for discussion more than once. just so you know.
in texas are


June 4th, 2010
12:30 pm

Da “U”? Please, no!!

Portland Dawg

June 4th, 2010
12:31 pm

Texas is a lot closer to being in the southeast than they are the pacific coast L-Dawg.


June 4th, 2010
12:43 pm

If the PAC 10 expansion or a merger of the PAC 10 & Big 12 is indeed underway then Slive should offer Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma & Ok St to join the SEC! Here’s why:

1. TX & OU will have to bring the other school due to politics.
2. A big plus to this is that realigning the SEC divisions is easy. You put those 4 in the West with AK, LSU, Ole Miss & Miss St then move Bama & Auburn to the SEC East.
3. You play 7 division games & 2 cross over games a year. Another plus is this alignment keeps all the traditional rivalries intact.
4. The SEC east school will have GA & FL as their main recruiting bases & the West would have TX & LA.

Sounds like a good move to me!

Bill your right adding FSU & Clemson are great fits &make sense but that only strengthens what you already have plus adding schools in the current states makes realignment way more complicated.

Buckhead Dawg

June 4th, 2010
12:45 pm

Teams should play as many other teams in their own conference as possible, thereby when you have a conference champion it has real meaning…they’ve beaten most of the conference. Larger conferences = more teams within the conference not playing each other. Stupid.

12 team conferences are big enough. Perfect actually. Leave it as is and let’s play ball.


June 4th, 2010
12:50 pm

As an ACC and SEC fan with loyalties to UVA and UGA, I find all the expansion talk pretty interesting. I keep thinking that if the SEC felt compelled to expand that an interesting scenario might be to invite Texas A&M, Florida St., Va Tech, and WVU to join.


June 4th, 2010
12:55 pm

Urban Meyer already has a tummy ache with 12 teams, and Saban would have to sign 40 more players to scholarship than he already does.


June 4th, 2010
1:02 pm

Also, with UT changing coaches every year, it’s kind of like we have an additional team already.

Luther Campbell

June 4th, 2010
1:03 pm

Watch out you crackers, the U is coming back! We invented swagger and we’ll play anybody in any conference!!


June 4th, 2010
1:04 pm


Good point but I disagree on part of it.

Agree, TAM is definitely going to the SEC.

Colorado is also definitley going to the pac10 for the same reason.

Colorado also has a very serious money issue just like TAM,
so they are definitely leaving the Big12 for the Pac10.

Now the Big12 is only 10.

That would leave:

If Nebraska & Mizzou see TAM and Colorado jump ship,
they will go beggin to the Big10 for inclusion.
The President of Mizzou is practically begging the Big10 right now.

So, if NEB and MIZZOU leave, your down to 8.

If you’re TX, TXTECH, OK, and OKST,

There would be nothng left of the Big12.
BAYLOR, IOWAST, KAN, and KANST end up somewhere else,
maybe in the Mountain West.

So, Pac10 would add TX, TXTECH, OK, OKST, Colorado from the Big12,
and add Utah for the 16th team.

Based on TAM and Colorado desparately needing to change,
I think a Pac10 Big12 merger looks likely.


June 4th, 2010
1:16 pm

I think if you add Texas and A&M you have to add two teams to the East. FSU and GT? FSU and Clemson? VA and VTech? A&M goes where Texas goes per the Texas Legislature, so it’s a package deal.


June 4th, 2010
1:17 pm

I have lived in this SEC-land for a decade after leaving Texas…and I can tell y’all…Texas is not part of the Southeastern U.S. We’re Texas…and we’re western. I love the Pac-16 idea….two time zones and travel included.

After the Southwest Conf. dissolved into the Big-8, The University of Texas never formed any real rivalries….kept beating the invincible Nebraska and rolling over the rest (with exceptions….)

Call that marriage quits like Al and Tipper….


June 4th, 2010
1:22 pm

They don’t have the tradition of success or the name brand recognition of Texas and Texas A&M, but Texas Tech has enough political influence in the state legislature to block UT and A&M from leaving them behind. They’re easy to forget about because we don’t hear about them as often, but Texas Tech is a huge university with 30,000 students and tons of alumni in that state. It would be extremely difficult for Texas and A&M to break away from Tech if that’s what they want to do. Any conference trying to lure those two schools would need to be aware of the political battle they’re asking them to take on.

ant banks

June 4th, 2010
1:22 pm

i don’t know why uga fans WANT texas or texas a&m in the SEC. We already have a hard time with fla, ala, tenn, lsu now you want to bring in TEXAS and A&M?

Delusional Dawg

June 4th, 2010
1:22 pm

Texas is going nowhere. Besides, the last thing UGA needs is another team in the conference dominating them.


June 4th, 2010
1:26 pm

I love how this blogger doesn’t even mention the prospect of GT being invited to join the SEC. I understand that the SEC already owns the ATL TV market so from that standpoint GT doesn’t add much, but from an academic and atheltics standpoint GT would be a great fit.

Additionally, the Big 10 is rumored to have interest in expanding into the SE and GT has been mentioned as a target as the ATL market is attractive and GT is a great academic (AAU member) and athletic fit. I would imagine if the Big 10 shows serious interest in GT, the SEC would likely to invite GT just to protect the ATL market from Big 10 infiltration.

Just something to consider. Bill King probably didn’t mention it because he is scared of GT.


June 4th, 2010
1:30 pm


TAM AD has already publicly stated he will oppose adding TAM to Pac10.

And, there have already been reports that TAM officials
have met with Mike Slive.

Better go back and read what warhog wrote.

Texas is Staying

June 4th, 2010
1:31 pm

Anyone who thinks TX A&M is going to the SEC without UT is oblivious to politics. The State Legislature won’t allow one to go without the other.


June 4th, 2010
1:31 pm

If the SEC is to expand, and they do go after VaTech, then it only makes sense to try and grab a North Carolina school also. How do you have a Virginia team in the SEC and not an NC team? Either NC State or the Tar Heels would probably be good additions, but there’s also that pesky East Carolina to consider.
I really can’t see Texas and Texas A&M breaking up. Where goes one, so goes the other.


June 4th, 2010
1:32 pm

Bring Texas and say TCU in. If TCU is all they say they are, they would come into a premier conference and play with the big boys. That would resolve their whole crying about the BCS as well. Maybe Texas Tech? Miami would add another market.

We could go the basketball route and pull in UNC and Duke since both bring in a HUGE national presence in basketball.

Texas is Staying

June 4th, 2010
1:33 pm

There is NO WAY UNC is leaving the ACC because of baseketball.

bill lumberg

June 4th, 2010
1:39 pm

Texas is going to Pac-10 or Independent.

The time for Texas to join the SEC was 20 yrs ago. The Texas program was down at the time. Texas was not the pretty girl at the dance back then.

20 yrs ago the leadership at Texas was more “southern” in terms of athletics and academics.

Today, U of Texas leadership is very “liberal”. Austin is the Lone Star state version of San Francisco. This mindset alone will not go for joining the SEC.

20 yrs ago they were forced by state politics to take Tex A&M wherever they went.

Texas forced to take A&M as a package deal at the time. So, Texas went elsewhere (Big 12).

The SEC had its shot at Texas and missed the boat.

Look for the possibility of Texas A&M breaking away from big brother Texas’ shadow this time and seeking SEC membership.

The PAC-10 is not a great fit for Texas A&M. The travel to west coast for non-revenue sports would be very costly (to which Texas can afford and A&M cannot).

If successful, I think A&M will bring Texas Christian with them.

Two SEC West teams shift from the west shift to east (Ala & Auburn).

LSU & Arkansas should be very happy with this set-up since they will be the new dominant players in the West.

Arkansas just renewed their long rivalry with Texas A&M. Game to be played at Jerry Jones World in Dallas.

Clemson and FSU are not going to be invited unless Florida and SC are talked into it.

Neither school brings anything to the table (and tailgating and hot-coeds do not count).

Ga. Tech burned SEC bridges long ago so you can forget the Blue and Gold.

Everything will depend on Texas….Texas was once just another girl at the high school dance.

This is 20 yrs later and that girl now has 34DD implants, botox, and wears a size 0 skinny jeans. i.e. ..everyone wants Texas and she has her pick of dance partners.


June 4th, 2010
1:39 pm

If given the choice Texas and OK are going to pick the Pac 10. In the current enviroment, where you have to go undefeated to win a National Championship the chances of any team making it through the SEC would be slim to none. The NC games would be between the Big 10 and Pac 10 every year. In the Pac the only school that has had a consistent team is USC who appears headed down hill. They go to the Pac and a three horse race rather than the SEC which is wide open most years.


June 4th, 2010
1:39 pm

TAM DOES NOT have financial issues….only the Athletic Department is struggling financially….TAM has some of the deepest financial pockets of any University in America. And, TAM athletics has a large group of rabid fans…I suspect the Aggies will get their athletic financial house in order and also greatly improve their performance on the field….with an endowment of over $6,500,000,000, do you really think that the powers at TAM is going to let the athletic department fail? There’s no one anywhere (and, that includes everyone in the SEC) that has more fan support and pride than the Aggies….so, don’t let the temporary setback in finances tarnish the image of the Aggies….Can’t stand TAM but they are a better educational institution than about 90% of everyone in the Mint Julep/Magnolia league to the Southeast.

Tyrone Biggums

June 4th, 2010
1:41 pm

“We could go the basketball route and pull in UNC and Duke since both bring in a HUGE national presence in basketball.”
C’mon be serious…you think an elite school like Duke is going to want to be in the SEC? The majority of SEC schools aren’t even ranked in the top 100 academically.


June 4th, 2010
1:43 pm

The Cotton Bowl “most storied” in college football history? (as a previous poster has stated). I DON’T THINK SO! NOT BY A LONG SHOT. It’s not even close to being the most storied. That distinction belongs solely to the Rose Bowl.


June 4th, 2010
1:47 pm

Miami is not a big a market as some of you know it alls claim. They are the biggest fair weather band wagon fans in the world. They may draw 30,000 thousand to a home game with a decent opponent. Maybe 30,000. If Da U is not winning every game their “fans” drop them like a bad habit. Don’t believe me? Watch a game on TV and see how many are in the seats.


June 4th, 2010
1:52 pm


Thats what I meant. Their AA has HUGE money problems.

The school and its endowment are rock solid.

Cool your horns.

Go Jackets

June 4th, 2010
1:52 pm

I love how this blowhard almost purposely avoids talking about GT to the SEC. I do not want GT in the SEC because I prefer to align myself with institutions such as Duke, UNC, Wake, and UVA, rather than the academic powerhouses UT, Miss State, LSU, and Georgia, but the fact that this guy won’t even mention that GT is a likely, if not probable, SEC expansion candidate is laughable.

But apparently Clemson is? What does Clemson bring to the SEC table? South Carolina is a small state, with basically no TV market. Further, Clemson hasn’t even won an ACC title in, hell I don’t even know how long it has been. I do know that they have lost at least 4 in a row to Tech.


June 4th, 2010
1:54 pm

Bill lumberg, i hope you’re correct. TAMU has been screwing up my thanksgiving plans all my adult life. Good Riddance….

Stanford would love Rice to be added….not likely


June 4th, 2010
1:54 pm

a&m ar enot attached at the hip. state legislature just doesnt want to see a&m sports go down the drain.

state is already clearing the way for a&m to leave big12 for sec.

bank on it.


June 4th, 2010
2:27 pm

Would all this matter if we had a playoff scheme.


June 4th, 2010
2:40 pm

Go Jackets: “…. I prefer to align myself with institutions such as Duke, UNC, Wake, and UVA, rather than the academic powerhouses UT, Miss State, LSU, and Georgia……”

And that’s why you get called sissy and nerd, Techie . . .

Bill F

June 4th, 2010
2:41 pm

SEC should be worried


June 4th, 2010
2:48 pm

Yeah I would see Texas , A&M , WVU , & VT coming over to the SEC & the ACC picking up a Syracuse type. They wanted Syracuse instead of VT anyway .


June 4th, 2010
2:49 pm

we should keep the twelve teams and give a team like vanderbilt to the ACC for a Florida state or Virginia tech. Vanderbilt should want to play in a less competitive league where they might get a few more conference wins.


June 4th, 2010
2:52 pm

The SEC is just fine as it is. However, if the powers that be decide that expansion is the way to go, I will support their decision as long as they say hell no to the rambling wretch.


June 4th, 2010
2:53 pm

Go Jackets.. Your point is laughable. Tech has beaten UGA once in the last eight years. What makes you think GT could hang with the SEC year in and year out with UF, Bama, LSU, et. al.? And don’t give me this crap about beating Vandy and Miss. State from time to time either. Face it tough guy, Tech isn’t man enough to play in the SEC.

Bill F

June 4th, 2010
2:54 pm

Florida State will never join the SEC

Bill F

June 4th, 2010
2:57 pm

The SEC needs new states for new money. TCU, Cincinnati, East Carolina, and VA Tech would bring great states with new TVs and new recruiting. We must think outside the box, or the Big Ten and PAC Ten will confine us to the Southeast

Bill F

June 4th, 2010
2:58 pm

What will Clemson bring to the SEC? A new state for recruiting and TVs in Darlington. Give me a break!


June 4th, 2010
3:01 pm

Bill F.. New money? The SEC? Did you hear about the TV contract with ESPN? Cincy in the SEC? Are you kidding me?

Bill F

June 4th, 2010
3:02 pm

Texas and Texas A&M are headed WEST. TCU will bring the state of Texas (TVs and recruiting in the second largest state in the country), Dallas-Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio. If we can’t get UT or A&M, we still should have a presence in Texas. I can see Bama playing TCU on a Saturday night in the Dallas-Fort Worth area


June 4th, 2010
3:03 pm

Texas won’t join the SEC; the academic standards are lacking in the SEC. That is what is appealing to being in the Pac 10. It’s not just about football, it’s about education. Standards mean something to Texas, which is a research instition. Most of the SEC schools are not so academically inclined.

Plus what has been mentioned is that it just can’t be Oklahma and Texas, it has to be Oklahoma State and at least one other school in Texas to get it to work right. This is what is appealing for the Pac 10, because they covet the natural rivalry.

However, the situation for the Pac 10 works better if it is Texas and A & M or Tech (not both). Colorado needs a natural rival and Utah fits that better than Texas Tech. (A & M is the true rival for UT). That is the Pac 10 fit.

Dave Dawg

June 4th, 2010
3:04 pm

Virginia Tech
Georgia Tech
South Carolina

Miss. State

In other words, add Va Tech, Ga. Tech and Clemson to the east; move Vandy and add FSU to the west.

FSU: Not only does this expand the league in Florida, but now the state is treated to SEC East and West action.

Virginia Tech: Expands the reach of the league to the DC market and VT is just up I-81 from Knoxville and gives Kentucky

another school relatively nearby.

Clemson and Georgia Tech: May not bring much to the table in terms of added reach, but Clemson is too good of a fit to bypass

and Tech is in Atlanta and has historical ties to the conference.

Miami: Not a good fit in terms of school support and location – at least four hours south of the closet school. In

comparison, VT is a very good fit, not too far from other schools and also opens up a large media market (containing die-hard

fans of the school).

As for scheduling, the SEC goes to a 9-game conference schedule. This will not add a scheduling burden to UGA, Florida and

USC since their in-state rival games will now be conference games.

Each school plays the others within their division, then two against the other division — one permanent rival and one

rotating school. This could be the permanent rival set-up:

UGA – Auburn
Alabama – Tennessee
USC – Arkansas
Kentucky – Miss. State
Florida – FSU (UF would have to lose its annual game with LSU)
LSU – Clemson (Battle of purple tigers from Death Valley)
Vandy – Ga. Tech (Vandy-Ole Miss game is now West division)
Ole Miss – Virginia Tech

This would be a REASONABLE, COMMON SENSE plan for SEC expansion.

Bill F

June 4th, 2010
3:04 pm

Getting Cincy would be getting the huge state of Ohio. Look at the map. Cincinnati is on the state line with Kentucky and not too far from the University of Kentucky. Plus it extends our presence into Big Ten country. I can see Ohio State now sweating at the thought of SEC teams recruiting Ohio

Bill F

June 4th, 2010
3:05 pm

Anybody that says expanding teams like Clemson or FSU to states that the SEC already has – is clueless

Bill F

June 4th, 2010
3:07 pm


The Big Ten now gives each of the their member schools huge sums of money due to the Big Ten Network


June 4th, 2010
3:12 pm

Bill F.. Yea, so what? Do you think more people watch the SEC on ESPN and CBS or watch the Big Ten network? And I’m talking about fans outside the Big Ten.


June 4th, 2010
3:18 pm

I know one thing; if they DO expand and take some teams from another conference, the arrogant/tool factor will go down from being dilluted.

GT Student!

June 4th, 2010
3:23 pm

GT to Big 10 would be the dumbest thing ever. Yes there would be more $$$. But from a fan’s view, WHY?!? Look, I admit GT travels poorly. GT fans (with the exception of a couple friends and I) can’t make it to Tampa let alone wherever the closest existing Big 10 school is… i dont know where it is off the top of my head. indiana? iowa? ohio? if you’re going to move us somewhere dumb like that just stick us in the pac-10. id much rather go to california than indiana/ohio. that is from a football perspective. for basketball, it would be even dumber.


June 4th, 2010
3:24 pm

Tech isn’t man enough to play in the SEC. Come on Spike, the foreman at your job is calling you back to work. Time to finish digging that ditch. It is pay day though, so you can buy the paint for the doublewide this weekend.

GT Student!

June 4th, 2010
3:25 pm

ps SEC: “And that’s why you get called sissy and nerd, Techie”. And that’s why you’re going to be working for me when I graduate/get out in a couple years.

SEC Football

June 4th, 2010
3:29 pm

If major conferences thinking of expansion, what about having Super Conf.

1. Big Ten + Big East
2. ACC + SEC
3. PAC 10+Big12
Notre Dame and others are outside looking in.

BCS Game only be No. 1 and No. 2 Super power, unless bottom feeder teams worthy enough of No. 2 ranking.

Bill F

June 4th, 2010
3:30 pm

Think FUTURE spike,

The Big Ten Network will soon give ESPN headaches. Yes ESPN will be old school and the SEC will need a network of their own to compete and that will mean new states for new TVs

Dave Dawg

June 4th, 2010
3:33 pm

Y’all have to consider “the product” as well. The SEC is ALREADY broadcast NATIONWIDE on CBS and ESPN and it is POPULAR ($3 BILLION says so). So, what does a current viewer in Denver or Chicago or anywhere else want to see, Florida State or Louisville?

In addition, the “SEC brand” is just as important. A rabid following is a must, hence Clemson over Miami. The day an SEC stadium looks like an Indiana-Northwestern football game or even a Duke-Miami football game is the day the national allure of the SEC ends.


June 4th, 2010
3:42 pm

Kickyourdawg.. Typical, you cannot respond with facts or reason so you resort to the tied old trailer stuff. Either get some new material or come with some facts to show me where I am wrong. Is that the best you can come up with?


June 4th, 2010
3:43 pm

Here is my take – let’s keep this thing geographically sane!!!!

Option 1 – Add FSU, MIAMI to SEC WEST

PERFECT GEOGRAPHY – SEC owns the state of Florida, South Carolina, Georgia – Keeps in all in the SOUTHEAST. STILL keeps the SEC as the best football conference – and all other teams are not breaking a leg to get to their competition.

Option #2: ADD Texas A&M, FSU to SEC WEST
ADD Clemson, GT to EAST

SEC EAST – add Clemson & GT

This keeps things geographically sane – AND makes LSU and ARK happy.



June 4th, 2010
3:43 pm

Sorry, spell police. “tired”.


June 4th, 2010
3:45 pm

Sigh, first of all I’m am not for expansion. It makes no sense to have a conference where half of the teams don’t even play each other.

Now, if expansion in inevitable then of course Texas schools and Oklh. schools make sense. However, they may take off for the west coast and Pac 10. If they do, I think the SEC should pick up Duke, NC, VaTech and UVA. They are all “southern” states, good academics, respectable in football (well, ok not Duke), and great basketball.3

Sure the fan in me would love to see the nerds back in the SEC. FSU, Miami, and Clemson sounds nice too. I would not be upset if these are the schools involved in expansion. But these schools don’t really bring us that much of an advantage for new TV markets and such.

This is one of those times where I really would like to be able to peek into the future and see whats going to happen.


June 4th, 2010
3:46 pm

Bill F.. The bottom line is this: The SEC is the gold standard in fan interest both in the southeast region and nationwide. The simple reason is that it is, year in and year out, the nations’ toughest and most comptetive football conference. It is not bragging, it is just a self evident fact. Other schools need the SEC more than the SEC needs them.


June 4th, 2010
3:47 pm

You can’t get VT without UVA. VT adds nothing anyway. Heck, the ACC did not even want them. They were forced to take them to get the necessary votes for expansion.

Dawg 39

June 4th, 2010
4:06 pm

The largest TV & media market in the SouthEast is Atlanta. Adding GT & Clemson would solidify the SEC in that market. The ACC would no longer be a player there. That works for me.


June 4th, 2010
4:11 pm

“at least four hours south of the closet school.”

This typo made me laugh pretty hard.


June 4th, 2010
4:43 pm

The big ten should expand to every state and call themselves the big 50 and have total domination of the market. I wish they would just get this over with. Whoever said tech was going to the big ten has lost it just this about paying for your tennis, soccer, golf and other small teams traveling to northwestern.


June 4th, 2010
4:44 pm

just think not just this

Gen Neyland

June 4th, 2010
4:46 pm

I have mentioned the same thing, somewhere, about staying in the states in which we of the SEC reside. It’s too much like military occupation to go outside our borders. I’d hate to see the SEC East and West become divided by the Mississippi River…JMO

Gen Neyland

June 4th, 2010
4:50 pm

chazzo : With UT thumping your team 3 outta the last 4, what’s that like..?


June 4th, 2010
5:13 pm

Add TCU in the west and WVU in the East. TCU plays Vandy and permanent non-division, while Ole Miss would play WVU.
We get the Dallas market without the political headache and add another fine academic institution in TCU. WVU would bring the TV market of the entire state and one hell of a basketball team while being no slouch in footbal!


June 4th, 2010
5:14 pm

*as permanent non-division rival*


June 4th, 2010
5:24 pm

You idiot ugag people need to wake up and smell the coffee!!

No, Texas does not want to join the SEC. They announced TODAY that they would join the PAC 10 over the SEC any day!

No, there isn’t an ACC team that would leave to join the SEC. The ACC has more total money than the SEC – this includes all sports. You can ‘wish’ or ‘hope’ for any ACC team, it ain’t gonna happen. Why do you guys have the balls to think that any ACC team would want to join you???????

The Big 12 is being divided by the PAC 10 and Big 10.

The likely thing to happen is that either: (1) the Big East teams are divided by the SEC and ACC and/or (2) the ACC and the SEC gobble up the smaller conference schools (ex: conference USA). This means that there will be around 5 super conferences for college sports.

Stop dreaming about taking any ACC team – it is only a dream.

Matt the Brave

June 4th, 2010
5:25 pm

Hey BK, do you think that the SEC would look at Virginia or North Carolina as possibilities? I know they want Texas and A&M bad, but I think that it would make more sense to have two teams that have long running rivalries between many SEC schools (well, at least until the late 1970s/1980s). What do you think?


June 4th, 2010
5:27 pm

As the dust settles, and you idiot ugag folks see how DILUSIONAL you really are, I hope that you do wake up and realize that ugag is a small fish in a small pond that dreams of being a whale in an ocean.


June 4th, 2010
5:42 pm

WTH is with all of this TCU crap? I will tell you now the only people that watch TCU football is people that live in Fort Worth. Right now the whole conference realignment going on is basically about the $$$. TAMU in the 90s had far more “eyeballs” than Texas. Regardless most of the veiwer pull will be from TAMU or Texas in this state. If nothing else the SEC would be better off dragging TAMU and OU over. As for politics the Governor of the State of Texas is an Aggie. Also the whole SEC deal over Texas was due to two people, Ann Richards and Bob Bullock strong arming TAMU and Texas into the B12 and forcing Baylor down our throats. Also politics in Texas has changed considerably so there may not be such a difficulty for the split up as before. Finally it’s my bet that Texas goes independent. That’s my hope at least. So the SEC would be smart to bring in OU and TAMU so they can get the Houston markets, and a large portion of the Dallas Market. The Dallas market is 4th largest in the nation and TCU is a drop in the bucket in comparison to the pull of Texas, OU, and TAMU (in that order) for the market.


June 4th, 2010
5:44 pm

Oh and I forgot about the Tulsa and OKC markets for OU. Those are the 2 teams you want to pull over. Texas has a strangle hold on the San Antonio and south Texas Markets. One more thing TAMU has a strangle hold on the Houston and East Texas markets. hth


June 4th, 2010
5:56 pm

Gen Neyland if you do that you’re doing to yourself what the B12 did to themselves. 75% of their television markets existed within 4 states Texas, Nebraska, Kansas and Missouri. Quite frankly that’s very hard to sale to the networks who are trying to reach as many people as possible. You have to think about it like this all of the conferences are competing for network television spots so they can get a cut of the advertisement fees. Keeping the SEC geographical boundaries as they are now does nothing for the SEC in effort to compete for those network spots. Sure the SEC has the ESPN contract but what happens when that contract is up? If the SEC has made a move to increase it’s market share but the other Conferences have who do you think ESPN is going to contract with next?

Rx Dawg that is what a conference championship is for, if everyone plays each other and then the division champs play for title it’s pretty easy to figure out who the best is. Plus it get’s us closer to circumventing the BCS and gets us closer to a play off system. If the SEC, PAC-10 and the Big 10 all expand to 16 teams then that’s 40% of the BCS teams and it can reduce the amount of whinning about who should go to the MNC.


June 4th, 2010
6:46 pm

I guess none of you read the national media. The storyline in most outlets is that Texas wants nothing to do with the SEC’s sleazy academics. Of course, that get’s no play in this crappy paper.

Bill King

June 4th, 2010
7:31 pm

Matt the Brave:

I don’t really see North Carolina adding that much to the SEC in football. It’s not that big a TV market. And in basketball I can’t imagine UNC wanting to leave the ACC. As for Virginia, I can only see the SEC thinking about the Cavaliers if they were forced to consider them as part of a package deal with Virginia Tech.


June 4th, 2010
7:33 pm

Enter your comments here

Bill King

June 4th, 2010
7:35 pm

Go Jackets:

The SEC does not need GT in order to own the Atlanta TV market. That’s already the case thanks to UGA, as the TV ratings show.


June 4th, 2010
7:38 pm

RxDawg, pls son, don’t be so naive. You don’t pick up UNC and Duke! You get on yours hands and knees and beg, and say sir, only to be discarded like a rotten Georgia peach.


June 4th, 2010
7:43 pm

Okay, so Spike says I can’t come with facts. So, all joking a side here are some things to think about when it comes to joining a conference, any conference.
Yes, football rules things when it comes to college sport, but there are other considerations.
In this day and age, an Athletic Director has to consider how his entire athletic program can benefit being part of a league.
With Title IX issues starring ADs in the face every day, women’s sports have to be taken into account too. As a Tech fan, I want the Jackets to compete in football more than any other sport, but if they join the SEC, they will be a fine representative across the board. So in other words, Spike there is more to it than just football!!! Okay Spike, time for your comeback!!!

Oh Lord

June 4th, 2010
7:45 pm

Can someone please put Bill King back in his stinky oversized coffin? He fell out again.


June 4th, 2010
8:46 pm

Bill F- You seem to be one of the few in this discussion that understands what expansion is all about. I like your idea about the Texas and Ohio TV footprints. I never thought I would say this, but might we need to get GT back into the SEC to prevent any possibility of the Big 10 expanding into the Atlanta market. It has been rumored that they are considering this, and Tech was inducted into the AAU just this year. Do I smell a conspiracy?


June 4th, 2010
8:53 pm

@GoDawg -

I guess u do not keep up with news? TEXAS IS GOING TO PAC 10 IF ANYWHERE. Texas wants nothing to do with the SEC – they said this today!

GA TECH WANTS NOTHING TO DO WITH SEC. All of the ACC teams are sitting very pretty, thank you, with more money (considering all sports) than the SEC.

If the SEC wants to expand, you guys need to do some bottom trolling and beg UCF and others to join – that is the real bottom line!

Stop smoking that pipe – especially you Bill King!


June 4th, 2010
8:57 pm

I think the SEC should stay at 12 teams. The conference has been enormously successful. Expanding to 14 or 16 makes an already brutal conference even harder to win and there is a real risk of diluting your brand. Sometimes “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” really is the best strategy.

The SEC has huge 15-year television deals with CBS and ESPN that were signed before the economy melted down. Expansion only brings in more money if CBS and ESPN are willing to renegotiate those contracts. Maybe they are willing to do that if Texas and Oklahoma are in the mix, but I’m not sure they open the check book to bring in Clemson, GT, or even FSU.

I think it’s a mistake to assume that new conference owned cable networks will be as successful as the BTN. Even the NFL has struggled to get the NFL network on standard cable tiers instead of expanded tiers or sports tiers. There is a limit to how many sports channels that cable systems are going to carry (and pay subscriber fees for) on their standard tier. If we end up with four or five conference owned networks, I think they will struggle to get carried outside of their georgraphic area. In my opinion, the SEC is better off national coverage on ESPN and CBS.


June 4th, 2010
8:57 pm

@Bill King

OMG – you sound like such a ugag fan (and that is not a compliment). It is incorrect to claim that the SEC owns the Atlanta market. You are wrong, just plain wrong.

You MIGHT be close is you are more specific and say something like “the SEC owns the Atlanta market when” certain SEC football teams play like ugag, Florida, Alabama, and South Carolina. However, no one in Atlanta cares a flip about Vandy vs. Kentucky – get it?

And, in no way does the SEC “own” the Atlanta market during basketball season.

Again my dear Bill, put down the pipe that you must be smoking.

u fuls r outa kontrol

June 4th, 2010
9:43 pm

so what happens when the super conferences are hit with a class action anti trust lawsuit by those who are not ‘allowed’ to participate?


June 4th, 2010
9:52 pm

Bob K in NC

June 4th, 2010
10:38 pm

I think it would make sense regionally and rivalry to take Texas, A&M, Ok and Ok state. Move Ala and Auburn to the eastern conference and have a super 16 team SEC


June 4th, 2010
10:59 pm

@ Bob K in NC

OMG – don’t you keep up with the news??????

Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, and others have ALREADY been invited to join the PAC 10. Texas has ALREADY come out and said they would have no interested in the SEC.

These SEC idiots have such thick skulls and little brains, it must take days for news to sink into their heads!

In fact, NO ONE wants to come to the SEC. No ACC team wants to go. No Big 12 team wants to go (okay, maybe Kansas and Kansas State). You guys are so full of yourselves that you don’t see what is going on around you.

Dawg 39

June 4th, 2010
11:15 pm

Hate to agree with TRUTH.. I feel that I am constantly bombarded with ACC news & shows. I have no interest in any of them. If Tech & Clemson were in the SEC, my problem would be solved & except for FSU in SWGA the entire state could forget about the ACC.That still works for me.

Delbert D.

June 4th, 2010
11:28 pm

If Texas and Texas A&M, Colorado, Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. go to the PAC-10+ , and if Nebraska and Missouri and 3 unknown others join the Big 10, that kind of puts the SEC and ACC behind in their scramble for 16 team conferences. Even more so if the Big 10 takes Maryland and Georgia Tech as has been the subject of some rumors.

It would be wise for the ACC and SEC East (less Kentucky) + Alabama and Auburn to merge. The 5 ex-SEC left-behind schools could merge with the leftovers from the Big 12. Academically, those left-behinds would not be a good fit in the new conference. Miss. St. and Ole Miss are Tier 3, and LSU, Arkansas and Kentucky are tied for last at #128 in Tier 2. They are also relatively small markets, TV-wise.

Delbert D.

June 4th, 2010
11:41 pm

Texas to the Big Ten??

From the NY Times, 4 minutes ago: (excerpt from longer article)

“I think that’s been lost in all the discussion,” Ohio State’s president, E. Gordon Gee, said. “One of the things we’ve done as presidents, and Jim Delany has done, is we asked the question, ‘What’s not only good for the Big Ten, but what is good for the best interest in college athletics?’

“We do not want to be viewed as predators or only having an isolated view of what we should be doing. We’re very concerned about the larger prospects for intercollegiate athletics.”

A lot of questions could be answered for Gee and his Big Ten colleagues when the conference presidents meet in Chicago on Sunday. The biggest will revolve around Texas, the most important piece of the expansion puzzle. No university, other than perhaps Notre Dame, comes close to matching the cachet, financial fortitude and viewership interest of Texas.

Gee confirmed in a telephone interview Friday night that he sent an e-mail message to the University of Texas president, William Powers, to see if he would take a call from Delany. Gee said he did not know if that call was made.

“I will find out Sunday,” he said.

Mett's fake ID

June 4th, 2010
11:57 pm

You guys are starting to make my head hurt.

1. The SEC doesn’t want Texas A&M.
Hey, you know why A&M is in dire financial straits? Its because they don’t generate a lot of revenue. No one travels to watch their basketball team. They haven’t been good enough in football to warrant huge fan support. More importantly, no one is watching them on TV. Why would the SEC want to bring in a team like the Aggies that would just latch on and finish in the middle of the pack every year?

2. We’re not dropping Kentucky.
I know that most of you have no clue what basketball is. Men’s hoops is a huge revenue generator for athletics departments. Kentucky is the reason that ESPN bothers to televise SEC basketball games. Without the ‘Cats, the conference becomes a laughing stock on the hardwood and no self respecting worldwide leader in sports would dare put a conference game on prime-time TV.

3. Nobody wants TCU.
TCU is a private school. If you’re running a conference you want to avoid private universities at all costs. The fact is, private schools don’t have the athletics money or alumni networks (which provide more money) that large state schools have. Everyone look at Vanderbilt… do we really need another Vandy around here?

4. The SEC isn’t looking for “TV markets”
The SEC is a national brand with the most lucrative TV contract in all of college sports. People will watch SEC games from anywhere in the country. Everyone knows that the SEC is the best conference in the nation, and they don’t need to pick up “TV markets” to prove it. What the SEC is after are teams that will boost ratings. Texas, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Clemson all boost ratings, because people know who they are.

5. Adding Texas helps the SEC stay a step ahead.
Why do the Pac 10 and Big 10 want Texas? The current members want an “in” to recruiting the state of Texas. Think about it… if the SEC can land Texas, all the SEC programs will have a huge recruiting advantage in that sate from now until the conference expands to 32 teams in 2024.

6. Tech makes sense for the SEC
It’s hard to convince any Georgia fan that Tech can do anything positive athletically. The magic of the SEC is the tradition. Great rivalries like Alabama-Tennessee, Georgia-Auburn, etc. make the conference what it is. Adding Tech to the conference returns a charter member and renews their rivalries with Tennessee, Alabama, and Auburn while making the UGA-Tech matchup all that more meaningful.


June 5th, 2010
1:03 am

Dawg 39

June 5th, 2010
1:16 am

Mett—–: I agree.


June 5th, 2010
2:31 am


Texas will not join the SEC. They want to go somewhere THEY can maintain their own traditions: playing against A&M, Oklahoma, etc. That is why the PAC 10 offer is so powerful – they will absorb all of those schools and this makes Texas happy. I highly doubt the Big 10 can do this and so Texas likely will not join the Big 10.

The only thing the Big 10 has to offer Texas is the possibility for Texas to create their own TV market and keep that revenue. However, Texas will lose their huge traditions of playing their rivals – which in turn will do the exact opposite and destroy their TV market. So then, why would Texas join the Big 10?

The SEC really has nothing at all to offer Texas. Texas would rather stay put in the Big 12 than join the SEC. However, as I’ve said, the logic is that the Big 12 is split up and those teams will all join the PAC 10 in a super conference.


June 5th, 2010
2:35 am


The SEC has nothing to offer GA Tech. GA Tech enjoys the bountiful revenues of the ACC and also the reality of wining the conference in football and/or basketball and/or baseball. The ACC has everything to offer GA Tech to include academic respect (something the SEC lacks).

The only possibility for GA Tech to join the ACC is if in some odd twist of fate the ACC is broken up and GA Tech is desperate to find a home conference. I just don’t see this happening.

I don’t even see GA Tech wanting to join the Big 10. Again, what does the Big 10 offer GA Tech that they don’t already have in the ACC? The Big 10 would require more far away games which no one wants.


June 5th, 2010
2:42 am


The only logical thing that will happen is the following…..

1. Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, etc. will join the PAC 10.

2. The Big 10 takes Nebraska, and a couple of other remaining Big 12 teams.

3. Kansas, Kansas St, etc. will be forced to look for a new home – possibly the Mountain West if nothing else were to happen (see the following items).

4. The SEC and the ACC will look to add members in response to the PAC 10 and Big 10 becoming ’super conferences.’ They look to the Big East and to the others.

5. The ACC would consider UCON, UFC, West Virginia, and some others.

6. The SEC would consider TCU, Boise State, and maybe the Kansas, Kansas St teams as well as other Big East teams.

That would end up with 4 of the ’super conferences.’

Another possibility is if the Big East were to act fast to gobble up enough teams to also be a super conference – but I think that this is a long shot. That would also mean that the ACC and the SEC would be forced to admit ‘bottom feeder’ teams JUST to become a super conference.


June 5th, 2010
3:13 am

$ 136 million dollars in Revenue the University of Texas at Austin makes annually. No college makes that much. And, you think The SEC should lure UT to come to The SEC.

You and Mark Bradley are 2 of the most stupid persons on the planet.

If Texas thinks it should take the Big XII teams in Texas to the PAC-16, so that they can fly across the desert west to play games every Saturday against the cupcakes in that conference, you think The SEC should lure them into The SEC so that every Saturday they have done to them that which just was done to them by Alabama. They play in a conference of 1 other team, and they like it winning every week.

Texas is not like UGA football fans who revel in 3 or more losses every year to SEC teams. The conferendes which are in trouble such as The Big 10 who has to find some at least 1 football team who can compete with The South, and the ACC who has to find some revenue when they are 1,500 miles from 1 end to the other already and they too have to find at least 1 football team who can compete in football here in The South, have no hope of adding $ 136 million annually mega Revenue Texas. It might look like a fit for Texas to play those cupcakes in both of those conferences, or even the PAC-10 cupcakes, but then Texas will sit back and say, no you cannot have our $136 million annual revenue. Texas is the Big XII.

It doesn’t matter what existing conferences want because Texas will be whatever conference they want to start next.


June 5th, 2010
4:11 am


Don’t forget that while money is important to Texas, so are their traditions. They insist on playing Oklahoma, A&M, and a couple of other historically important rivals.

The PAC 10 is offering all of those schools an invite to acommodate this for Texas. That is why is seems that Texas will accept the PAC 10 offer.

Also, will you PLEASE stop with the mentality that the SEC is the only strong football conference? All of the major conferences have multiple strong teams – even the current Big 12. Also, all of the major conferences have multiple door mats – even the current SEC.

The only thing that really makes Texas a big prize is their rather large fan base – just like Notre Dame which also makes them a big prize. Texas likely goes to PAC 10 and Notre Dame likely goes to Big 10.


June 5th, 2010
7:48 am

Kickyourdawg.. Get real. The only reason this expansion talk is running on and on is because of football and football only, not the other sports and certainly not what womens sports brings to the table. What are you talking about?


June 5th, 2010
9:28 am

I used to think expansion is good, but I changed my mind after a long thought (and long pause in between). Now I think it’s bad idea:

Before you want to over sell your product, you have to build a good product. Well, SEC is already a good product selling like hot cakes, can you make it better thru expansion? You are already winning 5 NC’s in a row, how can you make it any better? by winning 10 NC’s in a row? You can do that by taking Texas, OK, USC and Ohio State.

But that way, the rest of the country will be tired of collge football.

The rest of the country is interested in SEC football because we have a good mixture of colleges, and people don’t see it as a bully conference (a rather average conference in size). Believe, if someday we become a hegemony, people will turn against us, thinking we are a big bully overshadowing everything.

People in other region see us as fun, because we are a regional conference, but win so many NC’s. We will lose our bread and butter if you are half of the country.

SEC is already a well balanced conference, which needs no more schools. SEC has 3 schools winning 5 NC’s in the last 10 years. Adding Texas will make SEC head heavy, and UGA and TN will have a much harder time to compete for anything.

Anyway, overthinking TV market while ignore your product is the wrong approach. And we already have a good product.


June 5th, 2010
9:32 am

All of you blowhards that want to come on a blog about conferences and TV contracts and expansion and act like your school is more concerned with academics than the SEC are so full of (bleep)!!!! Just because your school or conference cannot compete on the gridiron with the SEC doesn’t make your school academically superior. Get a life!

Charlie Bama

June 5th, 2010
9:33 am

Plenty of speculation offered up here. In the end, it will come down to: (1) the best money deal for all involved; (2) best opportunity for improved TV ‘exposure’ on a national level (not that Texas, needs it, nor does Bama the Gators); and (3) alumni politics, on both sides of the deal (not just Texas alum, but exisitng SEC alum powers-that-be, too . . . does FL, BAMA, LSU want it or not? Their opinion will also count). But having said all that, wouldn’t it be cool to have a new West w/ two Tex teams or an Tex and Okie team? And add a VT, Clemson or The U in the East? The SEC would OWN the NatChamp games for decades. And Auburn will still have the customary 8-4 regular season. Always.

The truth about Truth

June 5th, 2010
10:02 am

The truth about Truth is that he has no life and is some sad little fat boy banging away on his mom’s PC and he has never ever attended college. Atlanta public school kid is her. He IS one child left behind and gladly.

The truth is that GT will do anything …………..I mean anything ……… get back in the elite SEC and that is THE truth.

Go Dogs.


June 5th, 2010
10:27 am

This is all pretty interesting. I currently live in Texas… and to be completely honest no one out here is really mentioning anything about UT and A&M moving to the SEC. Keep in mind – people in the entire state of Texas eat and breathe all types of football – whether professional or high school – shoot they even love Arena football – so if there were any substance to these claims about UT/A&M to the SEC everyone would be frantically talking about them in Texas.

At the same time, there are some rumors on Sports Radio Shows about a Big 12/Pac 10 merger that’s picking up steam throughout Texas… but at this point, all rational people see that there is nothing of significance. It seems fun for everyone to entertain… and it’s a great marketing toy to revenue more excitement… which means more money… but reality is that there is no significant value or substance – they are like “school girl rumors.”

By the way, it also appears that some of you lack a geographic understanding of the size of Texas. Check the facts: Texas is 10% larger than France, 2x the size of Germany and Japan, and if it were a country it would be the 40th largest in the world. Why am I writing this? Because that includes a mass amount of people and revenue for potential conferences. Also it is important to remember that Texas is quite different depending on what area you live in… East Texas and West Texas are not the same. Similarly, North Texas and South Texas are quite different. Imagine taking Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and parts of Florida and making one state… That is even not as different as what lies within Texas – the landscape is so vastly different and anthropologically it changes people’s personalities, interests, and how they identify with the state of Texas. West Texas is more like the Wild West (ask for sweet tea and they’ll hand you a sugar packet to stir in)… while East Texas has the pine trees of the South East (and they offer sweet tea at most places). FYI Sweet Tea and fried food is a good indicator of whether something is from the South East.

Bringing this to a close, people in East Texas are huge SEC supporters and a lot of people love LSU and Arkansas football. So thoughts about Texas not being SEC type of material should be put in a bigger context that realizes that Texas has four distinct regions.


June 5th, 2010
11:08 am

I just wanted to apologize…I’ve just been informed that I don’t know if my arse is punched or drilled. OMG, I’m such a 12 year old (I just LOVE being a tweener).

I am so “totally” upset that the SEC gets all this attention out of an ATLANTA newsrag! I mean, COME ON!!! Tech sits right over there and all you people want to talk about is UGA!

Do you know how embarrassing it is to see adds for Tech tickets on sale (including the hotdog) posted all over UGA links because no one reads the Tech stuff? FFS!

Well, I gotta go, my mommy is calling…its time for my bath.


June 5th, 2010
11:50 am

Tony from Texas,

this is all about Bill King has nothing to write about while trying to make a stir, and SEC fans have nothing else to do while no college games will be played anytime soon.

So this is all about nothing. All about Bill King has nothing more inspiring to write about.

Texas is Texas, and Texas may be bigger than the SEC country combined. UofT can make more money than Notre Dame if they choose to go independent.


June 5th, 2010
1:17 pm

@ Poser -

You are a major loser. Stealing my handle to post crap and it is so transparent. Your personal attacks are so far off base it is sad…

1. Physically, I am not a fat kid. I am a grown man that squats over 300 pounds, has 16 inch biceps, 33 inch waist, 44 inch chest, and I’m fairly certain I can whip your sorry a$$.

2. Academically, I am not a HS drop out. I have a bachelors and 2 masters degrees and am ABD on my PhD. I’m fairly certain that I can run circles around your pea brain.

Before you attack someone personally, you might want to address your own deficiencies first!

Lastly, I’d be happy to meet you in person and prove any or all of the above. I don’t need to hide behind a computer screen. The question is – do you have the balls?


June 5th, 2010
1:20 pm

@Tony -

Thanks for the insight as to what is really happening in Texas. These SEC folks really do think that the world revolves around them and that every school, including Texas, is begging to get in to their conference.

Lisa Marie Presley

June 5th, 2010
2:43 pm

People! Seriously, where is the LOVE? Truth and Poser! Com’n, give huggies– You’ll feel all better

Delbert D.

June 5th, 2010
5:40 pm

“4. The SEC isn’t looking for “TV markets”
The SEC is a national brand with the most lucrative TV contract in all of college sports. People will watch SEC games from anywhere in the country. Everyone knows that the SEC is the best conference in the nation, and they don’t need to pick up “TV markets” to prove it. What the SEC is after are teams that will boost ratings. Texas, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Clemson all boost ratings, because people know who they are.”

All the more reason for ditching Ark, Ole Miss, Miss. St. and LSU. Merge with the ACC and pick up North Carolina (Charlotte, Raleigh-Durham, and Greater Greensboro, all of Virginia-Washington D.C. and Baltimore/the rest of Maryland. Much bigger bigger markets/TV contract payouts(including basketball) than the left-behinds from the old SEC West.


June 5th, 2010
10:02 pm

Truth – The SEC is the conference that all others measure themselves by. We are talking about sports, and sports means money, and that means football. Look at the different BCS champions the SEC has produced – - Tennessee, Florida, LSU, and Alabama. The SEC has never lost a BCS title game. If an SEC team is selected to compete for the title – - they win. Look at the attendance. You have other conferences with maybe a couple of teams with big followings, but the SEC has the most. Even its smaller schools – - OleMiss and MissState – - outdraw Georgia Tech. Vandy is the only exception.

The problem with this success is it will cause other potential top programs to think twice before joining. Why be a big fish among other big fish when you can be the same big fish among smaller fish? Texas has a much easier chance of making to a BCS title game in the Big XII or PAC-whatever than facing the rigor of an SEC season.


June 5th, 2010
10:07 pm

It gets down to enrollment and stadium size. Large schools with large stadiums will generate enough fan interest that spreads across the country – - especially as the students graduate and begin their careers. Georgia Tech will never have the same following as most SEC schools. Its enrollment and its stadium is too small. It simply does not fit in today’s SEC.

Big L

June 5th, 2010
10:14 pm

In east , drop South Carolina and Vandy. Pick up West Virginia and Clemson. Out west , drop Ar-kansas and miss state. Pick up Texas and AnM.


June 5th, 2010
11:13 pm

There are reports online that some members of the Texas legislature will try to force any move by Texas to include Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and Baylor. This is plausible. Virginia state politics forced the ACC to take VT over Syracuse and Baylor was included in the Big 12 because the Texas governor at the time was a Baylor alum. Conferences know that Texas and Texas A&M have to come as a package and are fine with that, but only the PAC-10 could realistically take four Texas schools.


June 6th, 2010
1:37 am


Did you just copy and paste your posts from some SEC template? LOL!!!

Only an SEC fan would write and really believe the junk that you wrote. Texas doesn’t want to join the SEC for many reasons – and none of them include what you think. Leave it to SEC fans to think something like Texas must be ‘afraid’ of the ‘mighty’ SEC. LOL!

You guys are so twisted.


June 6th, 2010
2:45 am

As a Clemson fan, I would really love to see Clemson get an invite from the SEC. Do we offer a new state to enlarge the conference boundaries? No. If this is only about adding states, we have no shot. What do we offer? We offer the exact things that has made the SEC brand the best in the business. A rabid fan base, a beautiful small college town that becomes the third largest city in the state on Saturdays, great tailgating, good competition, good fans, great traditions (the rock and the hill). If the SEC does go to 16 teams and goes into another state or two (Texas, Virginia), then I hope they choose a couple of other schools that help maintain the geographic closeness of the conference (Clemson and either FSU or GT). Remember Clemson has never turned the SEC down like FSU in ‘92, or left the SEC like GT.


June 6th, 2010
6:48 am

Truth – Point any error in my “junk” that I have posted. My theme is the same as my other postings. The SEC has become the most successful conference in sports. What other conference has the success (both in revenue and championships) and attendance of the SEC? Certainly not the ACC. Texas will have to compete with SEC powers every year to get a shot at the national title. They would rather run the table in the Big-whatevernumber or the Pac-whatevernewnumber.
I’m glad to see you read my other posts. In order for you to live up to your name, however, you need to accept facts as “Truth”.

Lee Dawg

June 6th, 2010
9:40 am

Texas was a part of the Confederacy. Most definitely a southern school.

Philip Tortora

June 6th, 2010
12:48 pm

This could be the week that dominoes start to fall in the college football expansion game. A lot could hinge on what Nebraska and Missouri ultimately decide to do. If Nebraska and Missouri head to the Big Ten, the landscape of college sports is quickly going to change dramatically and this could be an historic week.


June 6th, 2010
1:01 pm

All due respect to Big Tex, Texas has much more in common, culturally anyway, with the Southeast than the West Coast.Lived here all my life and I eat grits with breakfast most mornings. Every great grandpappy I can count fought for the Confederates. And as far as time zones? A PAC-10/Big 12 alliance would mean playing in 3 time zones, including late night games in Arizona where it is far too hot to play during the day. At least if UT and A&M go to the Southeast some of the teams are in the same time zone or, if the game is played in the eastern states, it would be during prime tv viewing hours.

Dawg'em out!

June 6th, 2010
8:41 pm

if any team, i say the horns. though they wont move into a conf where they will be another run of the mill team and have a few great yrs. add horns/a&m for hogs/miss st.

Dawg'em out!

June 6th, 2010
8:42 pm

or texas/ou?

you blue, greg

June 7th, 2010
2:12 am

so i haven’t seen anything really published about this, but say hypothetically divisions break up i.e. big 12 and/or acc and join other conferences, when would this affect the schedule

you blue, greg

June 7th, 2010
2:24 am

oh and though i only skimmed the blog tonight and i’m sure there are more grammatical errors than what i read, but seriously buLLdawg… “2 of the most stupid persons” …come on, i believe i’ve read you to be a techie/engineer; and as being an engineer along with my fellow brothers and one or two sisters of driftmeir im shocked at seeing such a screw up with the rules of english

Calm down mouthbreathers

June 7th, 2010
10:39 am

The SEC needs to sit tight. They are holding all the cards already.

They have the most lucrative television deal in the country

They have far and away the highest concentration of talent in football. Over 60% of NFL rosters are guys from the Southeast. They are also very well represented in all other sports.

They have fanbases that care more than others.

And these advantages are not declining, in fact they are increasing. The Southeast continues to add population.

Texas is a big market, but this nonsense about “academics” is just that. Duke plays in the same conference as Maryland, Stanford in the same conference as Arizona State, Northwestern as Michigan State, Baylor as Kansas State, Vanderbilt as Mississippi State. Conference affiliation has ZERO bearing on academic ascent.

No matter how highly they think of themselves, Texas is still a public school who has graduated their share of functional retards. I’m not attempting to disparage Texas, but their air of academic superiority is laughable. Their real issue is the fear of 3-4 losses on the schedule and being just another bull in the battery.


June 7th, 2010
7:06 pm

I can’t stand this expansion talk. It’s going to ruin college football. One of the reasons people love college football so much is because of the rivalries.

If you get these 4 16 team conferences, rivalries will cease to exist. You’ll play each team in your division every year, and what, two teams from the opposite division every year, IF the said conference decides to play NINE conference games, which takes away one non conf. game which are huge money makers for a lot of teams.

With this schedule it will take a typical team in one of these super conferences FOUR freaking years to play each team in your entire conference at least once. WHERE are the rivalries in that??

Oh yeah, it’s not about the rivalries, it’s about the money. Pure disgusting. The NCAA should just quit this sham they call AMATUER athletics and start paying these players, because these expansion talks sure as hell aren’t about academics, despite what the greedy Yankee university presidents will tell you. This will end up looking like a minor league NFL, if it hasn’t already. Have I mentioned already how much this disgusts me??


June 8th, 2010
11:15 am

Truth any thoughts on why this whole issue has come to pass…easy the other conferences want to be as successful as the SEC currently is and the only way to compete with the SEC is get bigger. No other conference has the national footprint as the SEC. Sure there are other schools USC,ND etc that have a huge national fan base but no conference equals the SEC. I hope the Big 12 merges with the Pac whatever and the Big whatever beat the stuffing out of each other then play our conference champ…I see a lot of SEC NC’s with that formula.


June 8th, 2010
12:25 pm

I don’t like expansion. But if it happened, then in the east I think you go after Va Tech and NC State to expand your footprint.


June 8th, 2010
2:06 pm

Hokies all the way. They have a HUGE fan base and they are geographically a good fit as well. Keep in mind that they have dominated the ACC in football since they joined the ACC. Besides that i dont see any other ACC school fitting the mold.

Kevin in Dallas

June 9th, 2010
11:40 pm

Culturally we are closest to SEC states, Typically conservative politics with liberal flash in the cities. We are about as far away from Pacific States in ideals as we are in travel distance. BAD IDEA!

The Pac-16 idea benefits the Pac 10 teams more. Giving them increased access to central time zone markets, while retaining actual control of the league in California. What Texan wants to be bossed around by California!?

Texas and Texas A&M need to listen to all offers. And I suspect one will be coming from, as Mr Slive put on ESPN, our neighbors in the SEC.


June 10th, 2010
2:15 pm

if we can not get texas or texas am—what about tcu


June 11th, 2010
1:53 pm

I personally think that UT and TAM going to the SEC makes sense from a TV-dollar perspective, but may not make sense “culturally.” Let’s face it, LSU (a plank owner) of the SEC and ARK (new comer) are barely accepted as mainstream schools within the conference. Imagine the Texas schools dominating. I can see the fans in GA, FL, and AL having fits. Sure, having UT in the mix might make sense for $$$$, but that is about it. In addition, there are rumors that OU is also being considered. Another mistake (and I am an OU alumn). The culture match is not there. In the end, it may be moot. However, keep in mind that these latest moves are really the start of redefining Div 1 sports and eventuatlly any super conference will probably be broken up or teams redistributed when the NCAA and BCS set up a formal playoff system by 2016 or so. We could be heading for four 16-team mega conferences (can we say 64 teams anyone?) which will define Div 1 sports. All others will be D1A or below.

Stay tuned!


June 13th, 2010
4:35 pm

If the SEC is serious about bringing in the Texas schools, they need to invite Texas, Texas Tech and Texas A&M. Its a bad strategy to leave out one of the three schools because all three have enough political clout to derail the movement of the other two out of the conference. One note here is that A&M probably is more eager to leave behind Texas and Tech and jump to a separate conference because they have been made irrelevant in the state over the past decade and a half by the dominance of Texas and a rising Texas Tech. I would say if SEC had any plans to snag the Texas Schools they should have invited all three.