Does an expanded SEC without a Texas school make sense?

sec logoI’ve said before here that I don’t think the SEC should consider adding teams unless it expands its geographic (read: television) footprint — specifically, into the state of Texas.

It only makes sense to add teams in states where the SEC already has members if you’re filling out a 16-team league that has expanded the conference’s borders. Sure, a Clemson or Florida State would be a good match in terms of tradition and on-field product for the existing SEC membership, but the conference wouldn’t gain much in terms of market reach by adding them, although the Seminoles are a big-name program with a national profile.

However, if Texas and Texas A&M really do join a mass exodus of six programs from the Big 12 to the PAC 10, as has been rumored — and that’s a mighty big if, I think, where the Longhorns and Aggies are concerned — Mike Slive and the SEC presidents are going to be under increasing pressure to react.

(I still think that if it’s apparent the Big 12 is falling apart, Texas and/or Texas A&M might find the financial setup of the SEC, where teams can sell their own ancillary media rights to supplement the CBS/ESPN deal, more attractive than the sort of league-takes-all arrangement they’ll likely see in the PAC.)

If the Texas schools do go to the PAC, though, might the SEC still expand its geographic reach by peeling Virginia Tech away from the ACC? Does the new, richer TV deal the ACC recently signed mean it will be more difficult to lure the Hokies or Clemson or FSU into the SEC? If so, where else might the conference look?

Finally, does the SEC even need to expand, no matter what other conferences do? A good case can be made that standing pat with the 12 teams it has now be the safest move in the midst of all the ensuing turmoil as the Big 12 (and probably Big East) get dismembered.

One thing you can be sure of: The SEC will be looking to its financial bottom line in whatever it does. And that’s a good thing for Georgia.

This is going to get really interesting.

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u fuls r outa kontrol

June 4th, 2010
9:43 pm

so what happens when the super conferences are hit with a class action anti trust lawsuit by those who are not ‘allowed’ to participate?

doggit

June 4th, 2010
9:52 pm

Bob K in NC

June 4th, 2010
10:38 pm

I think it would make sense regionally and rivalry to take Texas, A&M, Ok and Ok state. Move Ala and Auburn to the eastern conference and have a super 16 team SEC

Truth

June 4th, 2010
10:59 pm

@ Bob K in NC

OMG – don’t you keep up with the news??????

Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, and others have ALREADY been invited to join the PAC 10. Texas has ALREADY come out and said they would have no interested in the SEC.

These SEC idiots have such thick skulls and little brains, it must take days for news to sink into their heads!

In fact, NO ONE wants to come to the SEC. No ACC team wants to go. No Big 12 team wants to go (okay, maybe Kansas and Kansas State). You guys are so full of yourselves that you don’t see what is going on around you.

Dawg 39

June 4th, 2010
11:15 pm

Hate to agree with TRUTH.. I feel that I am constantly bombarded with ACC news & shows. I have no interest in any of them. If Tech & Clemson were in the SEC, my problem would be solved & except for FSU in SWGA the entire state could forget about the ACC.That still works for me.

Delbert D.

June 4th, 2010
11:28 pm

If Texas and Texas A&M, Colorado, Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. go to the PAC-10+ , and if Nebraska and Missouri and 3 unknown others join the Big 10, that kind of puts the SEC and ACC behind in their scramble for 16 team conferences. Even more so if the Big 10 takes Maryland and Georgia Tech as has been the subject of some rumors.

It would be wise for the ACC and SEC East (less Kentucky) + Alabama and Auburn to merge. The 5 ex-SEC left-behind schools could merge with the leftovers from the Big 12. Academically, those left-behinds would not be a good fit in the new conference. Miss. St. and Ole Miss are Tier 3, and LSU, Arkansas and Kentucky are tied for last at #128 in Tier 2. They are also relatively small markets, TV-wise.

Delbert D.

June 4th, 2010
11:41 pm

Texas to the Big Ten??

From the NY Times, 4 minutes ago: (excerpt from longer article)

“I think that’s been lost in all the discussion,” Ohio State’s president, E. Gordon Gee, said. “One of the things we’ve done as presidents, and Jim Delany has done, is we asked the question, ‘What’s not only good for the Big Ten, but what is good for the best interest in college athletics?’

“We do not want to be viewed as predators or only having an isolated view of what we should be doing. We’re very concerned about the larger prospects for intercollegiate athletics.”

A lot of questions could be answered for Gee and his Big Ten colleagues when the conference presidents meet in Chicago on Sunday. The biggest will revolve around Texas, the most important piece of the expansion puzzle. No university, other than perhaps Notre Dame, comes close to matching the cachet, financial fortitude and viewership interest of Texas.

Gee confirmed in a telephone interview Friday night that he sent an e-mail message to the University of Texas president, William Powers, to see if he would take a call from Delany. Gee said he did not know if that call was made.

“I will find out Sunday,” he said.

Mett's fake ID

June 4th, 2010
11:57 pm

You guys are starting to make my head hurt.

1. The SEC doesn’t want Texas A&M.
Hey, you know why A&M is in dire financial straits? Its because they don’t generate a lot of revenue. No one travels to watch their basketball team. They haven’t been good enough in football to warrant huge fan support. More importantly, no one is watching them on TV. Why would the SEC want to bring in a team like the Aggies that would just latch on and finish in the middle of the pack every year?

2. We’re not dropping Kentucky.
I know that most of you have no clue what basketball is. Men’s hoops is a huge revenue generator for athletics departments. Kentucky is the reason that ESPN bothers to televise SEC basketball games. Without the ‘Cats, the conference becomes a laughing stock on the hardwood and no self respecting worldwide leader in sports would dare put a conference game on prime-time TV.

3. Nobody wants TCU.
TCU is a private school. If you’re running a conference you want to avoid private universities at all costs. The fact is, private schools don’t have the athletics money or alumni networks (which provide more money) that large state schools have. Everyone look at Vanderbilt… do we really need another Vandy around here?

4. The SEC isn’t looking for “TV markets”
The SEC is a national brand with the most lucrative TV contract in all of college sports. People will watch SEC games from anywhere in the country. Everyone knows that the SEC is the best conference in the nation, and they don’t need to pick up “TV markets” to prove it. What the SEC is after are teams that will boost ratings. Texas, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Clemson all boost ratings, because people know who they are.

5. Adding Texas helps the SEC stay a step ahead.
Why do the Pac 10 and Big 10 want Texas? The current members want an “in” to recruiting the state of Texas. Think about it… if the SEC can land Texas, all the SEC programs will have a huge recruiting advantage in that sate from now until the conference expands to 32 teams in 2024.

6. Tech makes sense for the SEC
It’s hard to convince any Georgia fan that Tech can do anything positive athletically. The magic of the SEC is the tradition. Great rivalries like Alabama-Tennessee, Georgia-Auburn, etc. make the conference what it is. Adding Tech to the conference returns a charter member and renews their rivalries with Tennessee, Alabama, and Auburn while making the UGA-Tech matchup all that more meaningful.

utah

June 5th, 2010
1:03 am

Dawg 39

June 5th, 2010
1:16 am

Mett—–: I agree.

Truth

June 5th, 2010
2:31 am

@Mett….

Texas will not join the SEC. They want to go somewhere THEY can maintain their own traditions: playing against A&M, Oklahoma, etc. That is why the PAC 10 offer is so powerful – they will absorb all of those schools and this makes Texas happy. I highly doubt the Big 10 can do this and so Texas likely will not join the Big 10.

The only thing the Big 10 has to offer Texas is the possibility for Texas to create their own TV market and keep that revenue. However, Texas will lose their huge traditions of playing their rivals – which in turn will do the exact opposite and destroy their TV market. So then, why would Texas join the Big 10?

The SEC really has nothing at all to offer Texas. Texas would rather stay put in the Big 12 than join the SEC. However, as I’ve said, the logic is that the Big 12 is split up and those teams will all join the PAC 10 in a super conference.

Truth

June 5th, 2010
2:35 am

@Mett….

The SEC has nothing to offer GA Tech. GA Tech enjoys the bountiful revenues of the ACC and also the reality of wining the conference in football and/or basketball and/or baseball. The ACC has everything to offer GA Tech to include academic respect (something the SEC lacks).

The only possibility for GA Tech to join the ACC is if in some odd twist of fate the ACC is broken up and GA Tech is desperate to find a home conference. I just don’t see this happening.

I don’t even see GA Tech wanting to join the Big 10. Again, what does the Big 10 offer GA Tech that they don’t already have in the ACC? The Big 10 would require more far away games which no one wants.

Truth

June 5th, 2010
2:42 am

@Mett…..

The only logical thing that will happen is the following…..

1. Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, etc. will join the PAC 10.

2. The Big 10 takes Nebraska, and a couple of other remaining Big 12 teams.

3. Kansas, Kansas St, etc. will be forced to look for a new home – possibly the Mountain West if nothing else were to happen (see the following items).

4. The SEC and the ACC will look to add members in response to the PAC 10 and Big 10 becoming ’super conferences.’ They look to the Big East and to the others.

5. The ACC would consider UCON, UFC, West Virginia, and some others.

6. The SEC would consider TCU, Boise State, and maybe the Kansas, Kansas St teams as well as other Big East teams.

That would end up with 4 of the ’super conferences.’

Another possibility is if the Big East were to act fast to gobble up enough teams to also be a super conference – but I think that this is a long shot. That would also mean that the ACC and the SEC would be forced to admit ‘bottom feeder’ teams JUST to become a super conference.

BuLLdawg

June 5th, 2010
3:13 am

$ 136 million dollars in Revenue the University of Texas at Austin makes annually. No college makes that much. And, you think The SEC should lure UT to come to The SEC.

You and Mark Bradley are 2 of the most stupid persons on the planet.

If Texas thinks it should take the Big XII teams in Texas to the PAC-16, so that they can fly across the desert west to play games every Saturday against the cupcakes in that conference, you think The SEC should lure them into The SEC so that every Saturday they have done to them that which just was done to them by Alabama. They play in a conference of 1 other team, and they like it winning every week.

Texas is not like UGA football fans who revel in 3 or more losses every year to SEC teams. The conferendes which are in trouble such as The Big 10 who has to find some at least 1 football team who can compete with The South, and the ACC who has to find some revenue when they are 1,500 miles from 1 end to the other already and they too have to find at least 1 football team who can compete in football here in The South, have no hope of adding $ 136 million annually mega Revenue Texas. It might look like a fit for Texas to play those cupcakes in both of those conferences, or even the PAC-10 cupcakes, but then Texas will sit back and say, no you cannot have our $136 million annual revenue. Texas is the Big XII.

It doesn’t matter what existing conferences want because Texas will be whatever conference they want to start next.

Truth

June 5th, 2010
4:11 am

@BuLLdawg

Don’t forget that while money is important to Texas, so are their traditions. They insist on playing Oklahoma, A&M, and a couple of other historically important rivals.

The PAC 10 is offering all of those schools an invite to acommodate this for Texas. That is why is seems that Texas will accept the PAC 10 offer.

Also, will you PLEASE stop with the mentality that the SEC is the only strong football conference? All of the major conferences have multiple strong teams – even the current Big 12. Also, all of the major conferences have multiple door mats – even the current SEC.

The only thing that really makes Texas a big prize is their rather large fan base – just like Notre Dame which also makes them a big prize. Texas likely goes to PAC 10 and Notre Dame likely goes to Big 10.

Spike

June 5th, 2010
7:48 am

Kickyourdawg.. Get real. The only reason this expansion talk is running on and on is because of football and football only, not the other sports and certainly not what womens sports brings to the table. What are you talking about?

Alphare

June 5th, 2010
9:28 am

I used to think expansion is good, but I changed my mind after a long thought (and long pause in between). Now I think it’s bad idea:

Before you want to over sell your product, you have to build a good product. Well, SEC is already a good product selling like hot cakes, can you make it better thru expansion? You are already winning 5 NC’s in a row, how can you make it any better? by winning 10 NC’s in a row? You can do that by taking Texas, OK, USC and Ohio State.

But that way, the rest of the country will be tired of collge football.

The rest of the country is interested in SEC football because we have a good mixture of colleges, and people don’t see it as a bully conference (a rather average conference in size). Believe, if someday we become a hegemony, people will turn against us, thinking we are a big bully overshadowing everything.

People in other region see us as fun, because we are a regional conference, but win so many NC’s. We will lose our bread and butter if you are half of the country.

SEC is already a well balanced conference, which needs no more schools. SEC has 3 schools winning 5 NC’s in the last 10 years. Adding Texas will make SEC head heavy, and UGA and TN will have a much harder time to compete for anything.

Anyway, overthinking TV market while ignore your product is the wrong approach. And we already have a good product.

Sloan

June 5th, 2010
9:32 am

All of you blowhards that want to come on a blog about conferences and TV contracts and expansion and act like your school is more concerned with academics than the SEC are so full of (bleep)!!!! Just because your school or conference cannot compete on the gridiron with the SEC doesn’t make your school academically superior. Get a life!

Charlie Bama

June 5th, 2010
9:33 am

Plenty of speculation offered up here. In the end, it will come down to: (1) the best money deal for all involved; (2) best opportunity for improved TV ‘exposure’ on a national level (not that Texas, needs it, nor does Bama the Gators); and (3) alumni politics, on both sides of the deal (not just Texas alum, but exisitng SEC alum powers-that-be, too . . . does FL, BAMA, LSU want it or not? Their opinion will also count). But having said all that, wouldn’t it be cool to have a new West w/ two Tex teams or an Tex and Okie team? And add a VT, Clemson or The U in the East? The SEC would OWN the NatChamp games for decades. And Auburn will still have the customary 8-4 regular season. Always.

The truth about Truth

June 5th, 2010
10:02 am

The truth about Truth is that he has no life and is some sad little fat boy banging away on his mom’s PC and he has never ever attended college. Atlanta public school kid is her. He IS one child left behind and gladly.

The truth is that GT will do anything …………..I mean anything ………..to get back in the elite SEC and that is THE truth.

Go Dogs.

Tony

June 5th, 2010
10:27 am

This is all pretty interesting. I currently live in Texas… and to be completely honest no one out here is really mentioning anything about UT and A&M moving to the SEC. Keep in mind – people in the entire state of Texas eat and breathe all types of football – whether professional or high school – shoot they even love Arena football – so if there were any substance to these claims about UT/A&M to the SEC everyone would be frantically talking about them in Texas.

At the same time, there are some rumors on Sports Radio Shows about a Big 12/Pac 10 merger that’s picking up steam throughout Texas… but at this point, all rational people see that there is nothing of significance. It seems fun for everyone to entertain… and it’s a great marketing toy to revenue more excitement… which means more money… but reality is that there is no significant value or substance – they are like “school girl rumors.”

By the way, it also appears that some of you lack a geographic understanding of the size of Texas. Check the facts: Texas is 10% larger than France, 2x the size of Germany and Japan, and if it were a country it would be the 40th largest in the world. Why am I writing this? Because that includes a mass amount of people and revenue for potential conferences. Also it is important to remember that Texas is quite different depending on what area you live in… East Texas and West Texas are not the same. Similarly, North Texas and South Texas are quite different. Imagine taking Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and parts of Florida and making one state… That is even not as different as what lies within Texas – the landscape is so vastly different and anthropologically it changes people’s personalities, interests, and how they identify with the state of Texas. West Texas is more like the Wild West (ask for sweet tea and they’ll hand you a sugar packet to stir in)… while East Texas has the pine trees of the South East (and they offer sweet tea at most places). FYI Sweet Tea and fried food is a good indicator of whether something is from the South East.

Bringing this to a close, people in East Texas are huge SEC supporters and a lot of people love LSU and Arkansas football. So thoughts about Texas not being SEC type of material should be put in a bigger context that realizes that Texas has four distinct regions.

Truth

June 5th, 2010
11:08 am

I just wanted to apologize…I’ve just been informed that I don’t know if my arse is punched or drilled. OMG, I’m such a 12 year old (I just LOVE being a tweener).

I am so “totally” upset that the SEC gets all this attention out of an ATLANTA newsrag! I mean, COME ON!!! Tech sits right over there and all you people want to talk about is UGA!

Do you know how embarrassing it is to see adds for Tech tickets on sale (including the hotdog) posted all over UGA links because no one reads the Tech stuff? FFS!

Well, I gotta go, my mommy is calling…its time for my bath.

Alphare

June 5th, 2010
11:50 am

Tony from Texas,

this is all about Bill King has nothing to write about while trying to make a stir, and SEC fans have nothing else to do while no college games will be played anytime soon.

So this is all about nothing. All about Bill King has nothing more inspiring to write about.

Texas is Texas, and Texas may be bigger than the SEC country combined. UofT can make more money than Notre Dame if they choose to go independent.

Truth

June 5th, 2010
1:17 pm

@ Poser -

You are a major loser. Stealing my handle to post crap and it is so transparent. Your personal attacks are so far off base it is sad…

1. Physically, I am not a fat kid. I am a grown man that squats over 300 pounds, has 16 inch biceps, 33 inch waist, 44 inch chest, and I’m fairly certain I can whip your sorry a$$.

2. Academically, I am not a HS drop out. I have a bachelors and 2 masters degrees and am ABD on my PhD. I’m fairly certain that I can run circles around your pea brain.

Before you attack someone personally, you might want to address your own deficiencies first!

Lastly, I’d be happy to meet you in person and prove any or all of the above. I don’t need to hide behind a computer screen. The question is – do you have the balls?

Truth

June 5th, 2010
1:20 pm

@Tony -

Thanks for the insight as to what is really happening in Texas. These SEC folks really do think that the world revolves around them and that every school, including Texas, is begging to get in to their conference.

Lisa Marie Presley

June 5th, 2010
2:43 pm

People! Seriously, where is the LOVE? Truth and Poser! Com’n, give huggies– You’ll feel all better

Delbert D.

June 5th, 2010
5:40 pm

“4. The SEC isn’t looking for “TV markets”
The SEC is a national brand with the most lucrative TV contract in all of college sports. People will watch SEC games from anywhere in the country. Everyone knows that the SEC is the best conference in the nation, and they don’t need to pick up “TV markets” to prove it. What the SEC is after are teams that will boost ratings. Texas, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Clemson all boost ratings, because people know who they are.”

All the more reason for ditching Ark, Ole Miss, Miss. St. and LSU. Merge with the ACC and pick up North Carolina (Charlotte, Raleigh-Durham, and Greater Greensboro, all of Virginia-Washington D.C. and Baltimore/the rest of Maryland. Much bigger bigger markets/TV contract payouts(including basketball) than the left-behinds from the old SEC West.

GR82BAG8R

June 5th, 2010
10:02 pm

Truth – The SEC is the conference that all others measure themselves by. We are talking about sports, and sports means money, and that means football. Look at the different BCS champions the SEC has produced – - Tennessee, Florida, LSU, and Alabama. The SEC has never lost a BCS title game. If an SEC team is selected to compete for the title – - they win. Look at the attendance. You have other conferences with maybe a couple of teams with big followings, but the SEC has the most. Even its smaller schools – - OleMiss and MissState – - outdraw Georgia Tech. Vandy is the only exception.

The problem with this success is it will cause other potential top programs to think twice before joining. Why be a big fish among other big fish when you can be the same big fish among smaller fish? Texas has a much easier chance of making to a BCS title game in the Big XII or PAC-whatever than facing the rigor of an SEC season.

GR82BAG8R

June 5th, 2010
10:07 pm

It gets down to enrollment and stadium size. Large schools with large stadiums will generate enough fan interest that spreads across the country – - especially as the students graduate and begin their careers. Georgia Tech will never have the same following as most SEC schools. Its enrollment and its stadium is too small. It simply does not fit in today’s SEC.

Big L

June 5th, 2010
10:14 pm

In east , drop South Carolina and Vandy. Pick up West Virginia and Clemson. Out west , drop Ar-kansas and miss state. Pick up Texas and AnM.

Rob

June 5th, 2010
11:13 pm

There are reports online that some members of the Texas legislature will try to force any move by Texas to include Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and Baylor. This is plausible. Virginia state politics forced the ACC to take VT over Syracuse and Baylor was included in the Big 12 because the Texas governor at the time was a Baylor alum. Conferences know that Texas and Texas A&M have to come as a package and are fine with that, but only the PAC-10 could realistically take four Texas schools.

Truth

June 6th, 2010
1:37 am

@GR82BAG8R

Did you just copy and paste your posts from some SEC template? LOL!!!

Only an SEC fan would write and really believe the junk that you wrote. Texas doesn’t want to join the SEC for many reasons – and none of them include what you think. Leave it to SEC fans to think something like Texas must be ‘afraid’ of the ‘mighty’ SEC. LOL!

You guys are so twisted.

chris

June 6th, 2010
2:45 am

As a Clemson fan, I would really love to see Clemson get an invite from the SEC. Do we offer a new state to enlarge the conference boundaries? No. If this is only about adding states, we have no shot. What do we offer? We offer the exact things that has made the SEC brand the best in the business. A rabid fan base, a beautiful small college town that becomes the third largest city in the state on Saturdays, great tailgating, good competition, good fans, great traditions (the rock and the hill). If the SEC does go to 16 teams and goes into another state or two (Texas, Virginia), then I hope they choose a couple of other schools that help maintain the geographic closeness of the conference (Clemson and either FSU or GT). Remember Clemson has never turned the SEC down like FSU in ‘92, or left the SEC like GT.

GR82BAG8R

June 6th, 2010
6:48 am

Truth – Point any error in my “junk” that I have posted. My theme is the same as my other postings. The SEC has become the most successful conference in sports. What other conference has the success (both in revenue and championships) and attendance of the SEC? Certainly not the ACC. Texas will have to compete with SEC powers every year to get a shot at the national title. They would rather run the table in the Big-whatevernumber or the Pac-whatevernewnumber.
I’m glad to see you read my other posts. In order for you to live up to your name, however, you need to accept facts as “Truth”.

Lee Dawg

June 6th, 2010
9:40 am

Texas was a part of the Confederacy. Most definitely a southern school.

Philip Tortora

June 6th, 2010
12:48 pm

This could be the week that dominoes start to fall in the college football expansion game. A lot could hinge on what Nebraska and Missouri ultimately decide to do. If Nebraska and Missouri head to the Big Ten, the landscape of college sports is quickly going to change dramatically and this could be an historic week.

http://philiptortora.blogspot.com/2010/06/college-football-expansion-game-about.html

topper

June 6th, 2010
1:01 pm

All due respect to Big Tex, Texas has much more in common, culturally anyway, with the Southeast than the West Coast.Lived here all my life and I eat grits with breakfast most mornings. Every great grandpappy I can count fought for the Confederates. And as far as time zones? A PAC-10/Big 12 alliance would mean playing in 3 time zones, including late night games in Arizona where it is far too hot to play during the day. At least if UT and A&M go to the Southeast some of the teams are in the same time zone or, if the game is played in the eastern states, it would be during prime tv viewing hours.

Dawg'em out!

June 6th, 2010
8:41 pm

if any team, i say the horns. though they wont move into a conf where they will be another run of the mill team and have a few great yrs. add horns/a&m for hogs/miss st.

Dawg'em out!

June 6th, 2010
8:42 pm

or texas/ou?

you blue, greg

June 7th, 2010
2:12 am

so i haven’t seen anything really published about this, but say hypothetically divisions break up i.e. big 12 and/or acc and join other conferences, when would this affect the schedule

you blue, greg

June 7th, 2010
2:24 am

oh and though i only skimmed the blog tonight and i’m sure there are more grammatical errors than what i read, but seriously buLLdawg… “2 of the most stupid persons” …come on, i believe i’ve read you to be a techie/engineer; and as being an engineer along with my fellow brothers and one or two sisters of driftmeir im shocked at seeing such a screw up with the rules of english

Calm down mouthbreathers

June 7th, 2010
10:39 am

The SEC needs to sit tight. They are holding all the cards already.

They have the most lucrative television deal in the country

They have far and away the highest concentration of talent in football. Over 60% of NFL rosters are guys from the Southeast. They are also very well represented in all other sports.

They have fanbases that care more than others.

And these advantages are not declining, in fact they are increasing. The Southeast continues to add population.

Texas is a big market, but this nonsense about “academics” is just that. Duke plays in the same conference as Maryland, Stanford in the same conference as Arizona State, Northwestern as Michigan State, Baylor as Kansas State, Vanderbilt as Mississippi State. Conference affiliation has ZERO bearing on academic ascent.

No matter how highly they think of themselves, Texas is still a public school who has graduated their share of functional retards. I’m not attempting to disparage Texas, but their air of academic superiority is laughable. Their real issue is the fear of 3-4 losses on the schedule and being just another bull in the battery.

Jimmy

June 7th, 2010
7:06 pm

I can’t stand this expansion talk. It’s going to ruin college football. One of the reasons people love college football so much is because of the rivalries.

If you get these 4 16 team conferences, rivalries will cease to exist. You’ll play each team in your division every year, and what, two teams from the opposite division every year, IF the said conference decides to play NINE conference games, which takes away one non conf. game which are huge money makers for a lot of teams.

With this schedule it will take a typical team in one of these super conferences FOUR freaking years to play each team in your entire conference at least once. WHERE are the rivalries in that??

Oh yeah, it’s not about the rivalries, it’s about the money. Pure disgusting. The NCAA should just quit this sham they call AMATUER athletics and start paying these players, because these expansion talks sure as hell aren’t about academics, despite what the greedy Yankee university presidents will tell you. This will end up looking like a minor league NFL, if it hasn’t already. Have I mentioned already how much this disgusts me??

How2fish

June 8th, 2010
11:15 am

Truth any thoughts on why this whole issue has come to pass…easy the other conferences want to be as successful as the SEC currently is and the only way to compete with the SEC is get bigger. No other conference has the national footprint as the SEC. Sure there are other schools USC,ND etc that have a huge national fan base but no conference equals the SEC. I hope the Big 12 merges with the Pac whatever and the Big whatever beat the stuffing out of each other then play our conference champ…I see a lot of SEC NC’s with that formula.

robodawg

June 8th, 2010
12:25 pm

I don’t like expansion. But if it happened, then in the east I think you go after Va Tech and NC State to expand your footprint.

John

June 8th, 2010
2:06 pm

Hokies all the way. They have a HUGE fan base and they are geographically a good fit as well. Keep in mind that they have dominated the ACC in football since they joined the ACC. Besides that i dont see any other ACC school fitting the mold.

Kevin in Dallas

June 9th, 2010
11:40 pm

Culturally we are closest to SEC states, Typically conservative politics with liberal flash in the cities. We are about as far away from Pacific States in ideals as we are in travel distance. BAD IDEA!

The Pac-16 idea benefits the Pac 10 teams more. Giving them increased access to central time zone markets, while retaining actual control of the league in California. What Texan wants to be bossed around by California!?

Texas and Texas A&M need to listen to all offers. And I suspect one will be coming from, as Mr Slive put on ESPN, our neighbors in the SEC.

daniel

June 10th, 2010
2:15 pm

if we can not get texas or texas am—what about tcu

Dave

June 11th, 2010
1:53 pm

I personally think that UT and TAM going to the SEC makes sense from a TV-dollar perspective, but may not make sense “culturally.” Let’s face it, LSU (a plank owner) of the SEC and ARK (new comer) are barely accepted as mainstream schools within the conference. Imagine the Texas schools dominating. I can see the fans in GA, FL, and AL having fits. Sure, having UT in the mix might make sense for $$$$, but that is about it. In addition, there are rumors that OU is also being considered. Another mistake (and I am an OU alumn). The culture match is not there. In the end, it may be moot. However, keep in mind that these latest moves are really the start of redefining Div 1 sports and eventuatlly any super conference will probably be broken up or teams redistributed when the NCAA and BCS set up a formal playoff system by 2016 or so. We could be heading for four 16-team mega conferences (can we say 64 teams anyone?) which will define Div 1 sports. All others will be D1A or below.

Stay tuned!

bevofan

June 13th, 2010
4:35 pm

If the SEC is serious about bringing in the Texas schools, they need to invite Texas, Texas Tech and Texas A&M. Its a bad strategy to leave out one of the three schools because all three have enough political clout to derail the movement of the other two out of the conference. One note here is that A&M probably is more eager to leave behind Texas and Tech and jump to a separate conference because they have been made irrelevant in the state over the past decade and a half by the dominance of Texas and a rising Texas Tech. I would say if SEC had any plans to snag the Texas Schools they should have invited all three.