Can surging athletics salaries at UGA be justified?

Damon Evans' pay raises difficult questions for some in the UGA community. (Curtis Compton / AJC}

Damon Evans' pay raises difficult questions for some in the UGA community. (Curtis Compton / AJC}

It’s interesting the way folks react to the ever-escalating salaries in college athletics. UGA signs a new defensive coordinator for a whopping $750,000 and hardly anyone blinks. In fact, for some fans of the Dogs it became a sort of point of pride that the deal made Todd Grantham the third-highest paid assistant in the nation. Plus everyone knows UGA’s athletic association is one of the most profitable in the country, so they could afford to pay top dollar.

But Damon Evans, UGA’s athletics director, gets a $90,000 raise in his new five-year contract last week, going from his current $460,000 to $550,000 (with $20,000 annual hikes and a $250,000 longevity bonus built in) and UGA President Michael Adams, who also chairs the athletics board, feels it necessary to defend the move at his monthly news briefing.

Coaches are one thing, I guess, while administrators are viewed differently. And professors are something else again, unfortunately.

Part of the problem with all this spending on the athletics side is that professors and other university workers aren’t getting any raises. Adams acknowledged that renewing Evans’ contract “didn’t fall at the most opportune time.” But he still maintained “it was the right thing to do.”
Adams noted that “the average salary for an AD in the Southeastern Conference is now $532,000 a year, so we’re simply going to be pretty much in line with the rest of our competitors.”

A good point. But some critics just can’t get past the disparity, even though the money going to Evans and other athletic association employees doesn’t come out of the same pot that pays the university’s professors and other workers.

Letter writer Brenda A. Poss conceded in Sunday’s Athens Banner-Herald that Evans’ pay from the UGA athletic association comes from a “different funding source,” but was still “astounded that anyone at UGA needs to receive a raise of $90,000 for a yearly salary of $550,000. Do the math, and you’ll discover that comes out to $1506.85 per day and $45,833 per month. One day of that salary would buy health insurance for someone who can’t afford it. One month of that salary would fund two or three support positions at UGA. In short, it is an excessive amount of money to be paid to anyone for any job under our current conditions.”

Poss asked: “Where are the good will and conscience of the University of Georgia, its athletic association and its athletic boosters? In the midst of a financial crisis, how can this be justified? And if such funds exist, how can our state’s flagship institution justify continuing to cut faculty positions, reducing operating budgets and raising tuition? It is time for a fairer division of the available funds, regardless of their source. It is time to do the right thing.”

In other words, if UGA athletics generates millions, shouldn’t it be the university and its students who benefit, not the coaches and athletics administrators?

Adams noted that the “divergence of athletic salaries relative to academic salaries is the real issue” and said, “I’m concerned long-term about the impact on the academic environment as the disparity between substantial raises in athletics versus no raises in academics becomes more and more pronounced.”

The way things are going in college athletics salaries “is a pace that I don’t think can be retained,” he said. “I don’t think it should be. But we are in a market and we are in a league where we feel the need to be competitive.”

He pointed out that last year the athletic association’s board voted to give $2 million a year to an academic fund that the UGA president controls. And there’s a possibility that athletics could contribute more to academics, he said.

“I don’t think we want to get to the point where we have a wealthy athletic program and a poor university, so long-term I think we’re going to have to take a look at the whole relationship between academic spending and athletic spending,” he said. “This is a nationwide challenge at the Division I-A level. I wish the general public was as excited about a physics professor as they are about a football coordinator, but we don’t seem to be in that market right now.”

Let’s face  it, chances are we never will be. Movie stars make lots more money than researchers battling disease. And while the work faculty members do undoubtedly is more important to the core mission of the state’s flagship university, what happens on the field of Sanford Stadium not only brings in a ton of money to the athletic association, it generates a level of awareness and good will and a sense of identity for UGA in terms of the general public that signing a top physics researcher never could do.

Is there something basically wrong with that picture, or is that just the way it works?

344 comments Add your comment

GeoffDawg

February 9th, 2010
11:04 am

In short, yes, it can be justified. Were it not for the ultra competitive and popular nature of college athletics, these salaries wouldn’t be possible and in turn, extra funding given to the academic portion of the school would be non-existent. You want to kill the golden goose, pass a tax making the athletic department less competitive to its relevant market. UGA econ 101 would be a good reference for some of these blinded by outrage columnists.

Bryan G.

February 9th, 2010
11:14 am

Well, the market dictates people’s salaries. Right now, there is a greater market for someone who wins football games than someone who teaches Philosophy. That’s capitalism and that’s why the UGAA is seperate from the University.

KJ

February 9th, 2010
11:15 am

Supply, demand, end of argument.

As for “raising tuition”, you can thank the influx of gov’t dollars to student loan programs, which artificially inflates tuition costs (similar to the housing debacle).

H DAWG

February 9th, 2010
11:15 am

3rd Darn it !!

Herschel Talker

February 9th, 2010
11:19 am

No it cannot be justified.

1. We are in a depression. This sends the wrong message.

2. They are allowing Mark Richt to continue to train wreck the football program.

Nick

February 9th, 2010
11:19 am

It’s called Capitalism.

Paul

February 9th, 2010
11:20 am

If you want everything to be fair at the university work to make it that way. My suggestion is to get more people fired up about the physics dept and get some donations. if you take money donated for athletics and pay cafiteria workers health insurance; people will be upset that the money they donated was not used for the purpose that they intended.

Smokewagon

February 9th, 2010
11:20 am

Dawgs are going to bash the Gators 80’s style this year. Their fans don’t even realize there was football in the 80’s.

jdawg

February 9th, 2010
11:22 am

Another thing that athletics do for the professors, that live in Clark and surrounding counties, is reduce there tax on property, and provide for some tax relief. Ok, an Ag professor was commenting last year and complaining at the poultry convention about the games in the fall. And, I just told him, to check his taxes without those 6 games. Even the community fights to hold on to the 6 games, knowing the revenue. Why don’t you ask Bruce Lucia of Kroger, how they do? It is just the way it is….if we cancel athletics, then no donation to academics, and tax rater even higher. Yes, my wife is a teacher and no pay raise. Guess if they cancel football, NASCAR might be fun to. They spend a couple of dollars…

JacketFan

February 9th, 2010
11:23 am

GeoffDawg – you obviously aren’t reading carefully. Money generated by sports at the University goes, for the most part (less the 2 million cited in the article), to the Athletics Association, not the University. The sports are supporting themselves, not generating revenue for the University, its employees and facilities. Get your facts straight before you sound off on something you no nothing about.

Signed,

A University System of Georgia Faculty Member

YES

February 9th, 2010
11:23 am

Evans salary increase can be justified. We are a top 15 revenue attaining athletic program. We are in the top 5 in football revenues alone.

I would caution that during this difficult times, everyone is sensitive to raises to those that the general population deem financially secure. The general population often thinks “why should Evans get another $90K when he already makes over $440K?”

If he continues to grow revenue at our athletic program and continues to strengthen the UGA brand so that merchandising, ticketing, and TV revenues go up, then he deserves it.

Jona

February 9th, 2010
11:26 am

A University System of Georgia Faculty Member=JacketFan ?

That’s grounds for dismissal

Brucemac

February 9th, 2010
11:26 am

It has nothing to do with CMR, if it weren’t him it would be somebody else. It is called competition. The UGA head coach will always make approximately what Alabama, Tennessee, and Florida’s head coach makes. The Profs at UGA will make approximately what the Profs at other SEC institutions make. UGA doesn’t establish the pay markets, competiton does. Anybody that thinks other wise is just ignorant of the facts

Gratefuldawghead

February 9th, 2010
11:27 am

What “YES” said!

Russ, the Temporary Mascot

February 9th, 2010
11:27 am

They make big money and they paint a little dog’s a$$. Something is very wrong.

Nick

February 9th, 2010
11:28 am

Hey Jacket Fan, learn how to spell before you criticize. KNOW is not NO. I sure hope you aren’t a english professor at UGA.

Pago Flyer

February 9th, 2010
11:28 am

It’s a free country, so far!

UGAX

February 9th, 2010
11:29 am

JACKETFAN-

Great point and subtle reminder of what we (not only UGA, GT, or even Georgia Southern) have become. I’m the biggest college football fan in the world but to attempt to justify what is more important is moronic and shallow. If we expect to keep the best and the brightest in the fields of education and research, then we need to ante up and make sure we keep them on board (which is what we are doing in football).

Bremen Dawg

February 9th, 2010
11:31 am

I’m not upset with the AD getting a raise. He forced Mark Richt to make a change so that deserves a big raise. I think Damon will do everything he can to make sure all UGA sports are successfull.

Russ, the Temporary Mascot

February 9th, 2010
11:31 am

The Bulldog Nation? The Bulldog Brand? How about the Bulldog with a painted a$$? What is wrong with you people? I am going on Oprah and I am going to reveal everything I know and it won’t be pretty. Paying these big salaries while I walk around with a spray painted a$$ is wrong. Temps get no benefits and I don’t have health insurance much less enough for a good cosmetic repair.

skydawg

February 9th, 2010
11:32 am

You’re joking right? The only people upset are the professors. And when the professors can generate the revenue that the athletic department generates for the university, then we’ll talk. UGA athletics department is annually in the top 5, usually top 3 in annual revenue. Sounds like a bit of petty jealousy to me.

Decory Bryant's Attorney

February 9th, 2010
11:33 am

“Your Honor, Ladies & Gentlemen on the jury……I give you Exhibit A.”

MoDawg

February 9th, 2010
11:35 am

As long as the revenue generated by the Athletics Dept. at UGA can cover the salaries, who cares? UGA makes a ton of money, so why not pay the people responsible for that success?

The football program basically finances the whole thing, so those coaches should be the highest paid as a percent of the revenue generated. Damon Evans is steering the whole ship, so he should be compensated for that, as well.

Makes sense to me.

Brucemac

February 9th, 2010
11:35 am

So, who said we weren’t paying the best for Profs? Maybe we are maybe we aren’t, but it has nothing to do with the Athletic pay. So you people think if we cut pay in Athletic pay scale and lose our competitive edge that will be a good thing for the Profs? You think it will be a good thing for the school? This is illogical unless you are a Prof. The fees and tax revenue supports the academics and you pay out what you take in. The Athletics revenue comes from ticket sales, TV revenue, and licensed product sales. How do you think that revenue will be if we go cheap. So $2 Million does not matter?

Russ, the Temporary Mascot

February 9th, 2010
11:36 am

They produce big revenue selling pork skins at the concessions, too. Football schools are football schools and Georgia used to be a big player until they painted a little dog’s a$$ in Shreveport. Tennessee seems to be the up and coming program in the SEC now with Da’Rick and Coach Dooley. Georgia still has gymnastics and agriculture to fall back on.

Face Facts

February 9th, 2010
11:37 am

I wouldnt count on any discounts on
season tickets with all that windfall profit.

Peadawg

February 9th, 2010
11:37 am

With the furlough days, the lack of raises for other University employees, and new student fees…HELL NO IT CAN’T BE JUSTIFIED.

Russ, the Temporary Mascot

February 9th, 2010
11:37 am

Yes, I’m bitter. You would be, too, with a painted a$$.

Peadawg

February 9th, 2010
11:40 am

The people on here that aren’t upset probably don’t work for UGA. I want to see ONE UGA employee that isn’t upset and why.

Kirby Smart

February 9th, 2010
11:40 am

BHAHHAHAHHAHAHHHAHHAHA!

jarvis

February 9th, 2010
11:40 am

Let me hear an Economics professor’s opinion rather than a Physics professor.
I have the feeling it would be different and correct.

Smokey

February 9th, 2010
11:40 am

Russ, yea a coach from La Tech and a kid that can’t qualify are definately changing the land scape of SEC football. My Vols are not a factor in SEC football and have not been for 10 years. You are an idiot even if you are just another dog.

James

February 9th, 2010
11:40 am

Since they generate all of their own revenue (through sales + donations), the athletic dpt. can pay anyone whatever they want. The question is whether it is really appropriate to do so in bad economic times. Also, we have to remember that this is COLLEGE football, so you can’t completely remove the academic institution from the equation. It would reflect well on the AD to move more funds to the University for educational purposes, even though he is not obligated to do so.

DecaturDawg

February 9th, 2010
11:42 am

I’m not an Evans hater, but i’m not sure that he’s earned that raise either. The Grantham hiring may turn out to be a good one, and I hope it does. But the process was the biggest debacle we’ve seen since Jim Donnan. And the fact of the matter is that it’s Damon Evans’ job to prevent such things from occurring.

Seems to me that at some point over the course of 2009, Evans would have pointed out to Richt that Willie wasn’t cutting it, and to make up a short list of candidates. Evans, in his capacity as AD, would vett Richt’s short list so that when the time came the firing and hiring could happen in about a 48 hour period.

That’s a best case scenario, but the way it played out, you’d think that a couple of guys who make an insane amount of money had no idea what was going on, and did nothing at all to prepare for the inevitable.

In my book, that’s bad management that shouldn’t be rewarded.

Bill, how about a list of things that Evans has done right to deserve that raise? Keeping up with the Jones’s shouldn’t be an excuse.

Russ, the Temporary Mascot

February 9th, 2010
11:43 am

I heard they are going to take down the arch to help pay for the new DC. Somebody told me they might close some of the library, too. Da’Rick was going to spend a lot of time in that library and that may be why he ended up at Tennessee. As for me, I am sitting here in thinner getting madder and madder.

Go Dawgs

February 9th, 2010
11:45 am

University System of Georgia doesn’t mean JacketFan is a UGA employee. It means they are an employee of the University System of Georgia, just like they said. That can be any school from UGA to Savannah State and all public schools in between. I wouldn’t expect anybody on here to know that though.

Bruce Mac

February 9th, 2010
11:45 am

Peadawg, how is it going to change your pay if Evans makes less? I assume you think that all money should be shared just like in China? Evans chose his field knowing what the opportunities are and you chose your field. Did you really think you were going to make $550,000 per year when you got in it? The reason you are not happy with your pay is because you are in a field that is not appreciated or rewarded to the extent you think it should be. Don’t hate the people that made better life choices than you at least in regard to pay.

Peadawg

February 9th, 2010
11:47 am

Bruce Mac, I know I’m not getting 500K/yr. But when we’re getting furloughed 6 days a year, charging students a random “fee”, cutting back, etc….we don’t need to be giving out raises to ANYBODY.

WE RUiN THIS STATE

February 9th, 2010
11:48 am

Simply put….NO.

123456789

February 9th, 2010
11:49 am

Bryan G

Havent you heard ??

Clarke County Superior Court Judge Lawton Stephens dismissed the Decory Bryant lawsuit against the UGA-AA because the judge ruled that the UGA-AA was…”an arm of the state” and protected by the State’s “sovereign immunity.”

So, how can that be? How can the UGA-AA by an entity of the State of Georgia…
when you just stated that the UGA-AA is SEPARATE from the university.

Appeals Court will soon rule, that the UGA-AA is…IN FACT…a private, revenue-generating,
non-profit 501(c)(3) corporation.

And when that happens, the UGA-AA will stroke a check to Decory Bryant for $5,000,000+

Any word on what the Apostle Mark has done to help Decory Bryant ??

78 DAWG

February 9th, 2010
11:51 am

The salaries are fine, even while teachers and classroom spending (along with other sports) are being cut back. Football is what we are about, it’s our identity, it’s who we are. What kind of priorities do you have to even ask this question?!?! Do you know how much productivity is lost, because of lost motivation, due to low self-esteem at Walmart, when the DAWGS lose? In the state of Georgia alone, not counting our fans across the country, Walmart lost 5 trillion dollars during this last 8-5 debacle!

GeoffDawg

February 9th, 2010
11:51 am

Lol JacketFan, sorry I don’t “no” anything about it in your opinion. I take it you’re not in the business school, eh?

Obviously, the sports are supporting themselves. That’s kind of the point, isn’t it?

Why don’t you go back and read what I posted more carefully and quit being such a tool.

Signed,
GeoffDawg

Floyd

February 9th, 2010
11:52 am

It would be a lot easier to justify if the UGA Athletic Association offered to pick up the tab for post-game clean-up, which is now the sole responsiblity of the University.

The Other St. Simons

February 9th, 2010
11:53 am

“Well, the world needs ditch diggers too.” – Judge Smails

Bruce Mac

February 9th, 2010
11:54 am

Well, if we don’t give him a raise, how do we expect to keep him? Why would he stay here if he can make more elsewhere? After all, his area of responsibility is booming and extremely profitable, others are noticing. I assume if you could make more going elsewhere you would. I hear what you are saying but it doesn’t and can’t work that way.

Radly Dawg

February 9th, 2010
11:56 am

Good point Bryan G…..but it still sucks. Like Bob Dylan said…”everything is broken”! And when those tickets to that Georgia game are $100.00 face value…….remember , it’s only cpaitalism!!!!!!

Radly Dawg
Metter

The Perfect Quote

February 9th, 2010
11:57 am

For anyone who EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER doubted…….

I give you, 78 DAWG, a STEREOTYPICAL UGA Fan, in his very own words:

“Football is what we are about, it’s our identity, it’s who we are.
What kind of priorities do you have to even ask this question?!?! “

UGAG

February 9th, 2010
12:00 pm

Agreed.

Put that quote on Vince’s statue. LOL

CommonSenseRules

February 9th, 2010
12:03 pm

Bill King’s question is: “Is there something basically wrong with that picture, or is that just the way it works?”
First, it is not an either/or question. The answer is yes and yes. Our entire society has its priorities out of whack. Celebrity — whether college athletics or movie stars — defines our standards of ‘the good.’ Those with the power to change that distortion, as Pogo pointed out decades ago, “is us.” The only catch is that we don’t want to change.

mike

February 9th, 2010
12:03 pm

Brenda Poss is a complete moron. Why waste space with anything she has to say.

wiley

February 9th, 2010
12:03 pm

Well if you rednecks keep spending your paychecks on Walmart merchandise…they can afford to keep getting raises…but seriously athletic salaries are rarely affected by the economy. The money is always there because its an entertainment industry. Just like the movies, video games, and porn….people will always find money to spend…thus resulting in increasing salaries.

fedupdawg

February 9th, 2010
12:04 pm

damon evans met him at music city bowl vince said another ray goff turned on vince at first chance guy is not a jermy at florida pay him what adams suggest more next chaptert

Jeff

February 9th, 2010
12:05 pm

You do understand that Mr. Evans is the CEO of a company that generates $84M in sales with a jaw-dropping profit of $45M or 54% profit margin. There are but a handful of companies in the world that wouldn’t kill for those numbers (and some probably do).

j,axdawgfan

February 9th, 2010
12:05 pm

With the headline on the sports page regarding this article, you marvelled that fans upset with Evans raise were not upset with the salary given to our new DC. That would be because of the difference in the perceived value of contributions from each of the two. Obviously, some fans don’t feel that Evans contributes to the degree that his raise is more than their annual salary but DO feel that our new DC has the potential to make significant positive contributions that justify his salary.

It seems simple enough to me.

SIMPLE

February 9th, 2010
12:06 pm

IT”S UGA AND HE” BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Opinion

February 9th, 2010
12:06 pm

you dawgies can give all the raises you want……..just don’t steal away Dan Radakovich

Jeff

February 9th, 2010
12:08 pm

To clarify, those numbers I listed (from Forbes) are just for the football program but as has been noted that’s where the money is anyway.

Opinion

February 9th, 2010
12:08 pm

ooo, and one more thing Evans has done nothing for that athletic department other than give raises….how many sec or even national championships do you have under him?? the answer is zero, you should of kept Dooley

Dr. Phil

February 9th, 2010
12:08 pm

And Adams is a movie star, or so he thinks. Adams tossed two million in athletic department revenue to academics. Ohio State gave 100 million. Mike will get my ususal 34 cents again this year.

Bruce Mac

February 9th, 2010
12:11 pm

Oops, actually we have several National Championships under Evans. He is the Athletic Director Moron, not the football coach. Please, think before you post.

exNFLplayer

February 9th, 2010
12:11 pm

The guy is running in what amounts to a very profitable corporation. I agree with the poster above. It is capitalism.

Fridawg

February 9th, 2010
12:11 pm

Gee, surprise! A bunch of college professors at a state school think that Evans salary should be used to pay for somebody else’s health insurance. This is how Obama gets elected…

Dean

February 9th, 2010
12:14 pm

Why doesn’t Evans raise just come from the athletic association if they raise so much money? You guys seem to have it backwards here. Without the academic side of UGA there would be no or never would have been athletic teams. The president and the AD should wait until the economic climate was better before making such acts.

Tom R.

February 9th, 2010
12:15 pm

wiley based on what I am seeing in Walmarts in the E. Cobb area there are a lot of GT “rednecks” supplying themselves with GT gear there as well. If there wasn’t a demand for it, Walmart wouldn’t have it.

Tom R.

February 9th, 2010
12:17 pm

Herschel Talker you are that. And that’s about all.

Dean

February 9th, 2010
12:17 pm

Another very valid argument would be: Why should an assistant coach for a sport make more than the director of the entire athletic department?

[...] recent raise given to Georgia athletic director Damon Evans has stirred debate among Bulldog fans, writes Bill King of The Atlanta [...]

Tom R.

February 9th, 2010
12:19 pm

Opinion think again dumbazz. There are NCs in other sports too. Moron! When GT can touch UGA’s all around athletic program come back and say something that’s not totally ignorant.

A-Dawg-Fan

February 9th, 2010
12:19 pm

The University runs an entertainment business (UGA Athletics) and an educational institution. The economics are completely different. Think about this. UGA Athletics had three guys drafted in the first day last year. Pretty successful. UGA Physics Dept. graduated three new physics teachers for the state of GA. Pretty dismal.

If you want to be in the NFL or play major league baseball, UGA is a good place to be, and the NBA farm team is coming. None of us invented this system (and Adams would like to change it) but it is the current system and UGA excels at it.

No one wants to spend the time and effort to get a physics degree so they can take a teaching job. Low pay, no respect, ride kids and parents, bad benefits. I’ll bet the three teachers that graduated decide to follow a different career direction.

What it comes down to is our society doesn’t respect teachers. We say things like, ‘Those that can, do. Those that can’t, teach.” And we all get upset at the amount we pay in property taxes. With entertainment, it is truly supply and demand. Six Saturdays every fall, 93 thousand screaming fans poor money into the athletic dept. and local businesses. The football players get to feel like gods, and money rains on the athletic program. Damon Evans is the head of that program, and he is compensated for it like the CEO for a fortune 500 company.

My question is different. Is there someone else that could have done a better job for UGA, or is Damon the man? For example, when UGA lost out on the Outback Bowl because the Auburn AD did a successful lobbying job, where was Damon? Did he just concede that the number one football program in America needed to go do Shrevport, or was he down in FL fighting for his team?

Also, where was the demand for Damon’s services? Where other athletic departments trying to hire him away? What or who were the threats? Or, did the Athletic program just rubber stamp a renewal and not consider the value they were obtaining for a half million dollars per year?

Bruce Mac

February 9th, 2010
12:20 pm

Pay scale, pure and simple. Pay Scale for coordinators is higher than Athletic Directors. Why should Brad Pitt make more than the owner of Universal Studios? Because he does. All pay for Evans comes from Athletic Association and if football clean up is not paid by Athletic Department that is wrong.

Jan Kemp

February 9th, 2010
12:20 pm

I agree, it’s a travesty. I say get rid of all non revenue sports and PAY THE PROFESSORS!, Oh, wait, title IX won’t let us do that. Guess some things just aren’t fair.

AvgUGAfan

February 9th, 2010
12:22 pm

Let the Chinese hire the physics professors. I want my football!

Jona

February 9th, 2010
12:23 pm

Opinion

He has had the nads to start expanding UGA’s schedule out of the southeast in an attempt to make Georgia a nationally known program. Thus, more fans, more UGA licensed goods to be sold adding to the already massive market. Something Vince Dooley would never do.

ButtCrack Bob

February 9th, 2010
12:23 pm

Adams could have told Evans that he appreciates the job he has done but during these hard economic times it just would not be prudent to give him a salary boost when faculty members wont be getting anything. These salary boosts seem to be given when your afraid that some other school will try to lure your guy away. I don’t see where Evans has a track record of doing anything that sets him apart from the rest. He’s not going anywhere because no one was calling for him. Another dumb move by Adams.

REALLY!!

February 9th, 2010
12:25 pm

Brenda Poss = Socialist…Ya think she voted for Obama??
“One day of that salary would buy health insurance for someone who can’t afford it”….REALLY!!!

Dean

February 9th, 2010
12:25 pm

Another question we should ask ourselves is this. How much money goes into Georgia Tech’s athletic department and what is their revenue? Which school is getting more bang for their bucks?

dagnabit

February 9th, 2010
12:26 pm

Where is this athletic dept. located? And is this the University Of Georgia football team? These football players get a free ride where? Just asking.

hunker down

February 9th, 2010
12:26 pm

Asked MR. Adams what his salary is a year and compare it to a fireman, police office or nurse. When your house catches on fire (God forbid) would you rather have a fireman outside your house or Mr Adams your neighbor looking on? I agree that college athletics have gotten out of hand as far as pay for coaches. I do agree with Mr. Adams saying that it is a national problem that needs to be addressed. It can not be done so I feel without approaching it on a national level. For Nick Saban to make $4 million is a deal for UA as football is king cotton in thew state and generates a tremendous amout of income for the University. Especially when you are winning like UA. But what about a school like Tulane that if they want to be competitive in athletics needs to offer comparable salary for their coaching staff as well. Capatialism is at work but that does not mean if Tulane goes out and pays $4 million for a HC that their program will win a NC in the near future nor any other university.

Bruce Mac

February 9th, 2010
12:26 pm

ButtCrack, I do love your name but you are wrong here. Profits are thru the roof, we are winning National Championships in many sports and competing on National Level in all sports. Basketball is in the best shape since Tubby. No serious violations in any sport. On and on, Mr. Evans could not be doing a better job.

Dog Fan

February 9th, 2010
12:27 pm

Because one guy writes an article, that means “folks” are upset witht Evan’s raise?
Trying to stir something up again Bill?
When you do this, is this coming from your higher ups? or are you just board?

BPClassof-85

February 9th, 2010
12:27 pm

It does come down to supply and demand, and that’s why the coaches get those unbelievable salaries. But what has Damon done that warrants that type of raise that any other middle of the road A.D. in the country could not have done, and most of all, are we afraid somebody is going to come in and give him a better offer???? That’s why you bump the most successful coaches salaries, because you don’t want them to be lured away. No other schools are lurking around, trying to think of the master plan to get Damon. Trust me!!

Observor

February 9th, 2010
12:29 pm

Seems the dogs sure pay a lot of money for a 2nd tier product.

Paul in RDU

February 9th, 2010
12:29 pm

Bill – excellent and thoughtful post by you.
The UGAA is a highly profitable business mainly due to the success of the football program. Their business model seems to be spending money on the program (good coaches, facilities, etc) = wins = more demand for tickets (higher prices) + more donations to the AA = more profits. Paying the coaches large amounts to compete with ALA, UF, etc. is perfectly logical.

To me, it becomes interesting when you consider the sources of UGAA’s revenues – tickets, broadcasting, merchandise and donations. Ticket money and broadcasting is obviously to for the games. What about merchandising? Why does the UGAA own the rights? Why not the school?
Then you have donations. I understand that donations to the AA give you priority on tickets, parking for games, etc. but why not share these?

dagnabit

February 9th, 2010
12:30 pm

Does frediwg have healthcare insurance? Do you deny healthcare to others? Like the republicans.

CatsFly

February 9th, 2010
12:30 pm

I think UGa should spend even more on athletics so as to assure that our U is second-to-none when it comes to athletics. After all, isn’t athletics the center piece of out university. Are we (the University) known for anything else outside of Georgia?

Jona

February 9th, 2010
12:31 pm

dagnabit

NCAA

1eyedJack

February 9th, 2010
12:31 pm

First of all let me qualify myself. I AM a college instructor in Georgia. I DO NOT make 500K a year. I AM NOT upset about this.

The coaches and administrators and the professors/institutional employees are not paid from all the same money.

Coaches and Administrators are paid a base salary from government funded money. The salary range is based on qualifications and experience. The Athletics department makes up the remainder of the pay.

Teachers are paid from State funds (taxes and lottery) and local funds (tuition and donations/grants).

It is “guns or butter” or “supply and demand” in economics terms. Basically what the market will bear.

If I want to be paid commensurate with Coaches or Administrators then I should get an education that prepares me for coaching or administering and go into coaching or administration.

SLK 65

February 9th, 2010
12:32 pm

The women that wrote that must be poor or out of a job. They are always the ones crying about people making to much money and the bad economy. the economy is not bad for everyone, just the ones that don’t have jobs.

UGA-72

February 9th, 2010
12:33 pm

Look, if Damon leaves, I’ll take the job and do it for $450M a year.

Dean

February 9th, 2010
12:33 pm

Can someone not make a point without it all being the evil of one political party or another.
ButtCrack is correct. Damon wasn’t going anywhere. He could of been given a pat on the back and a promise that once the economy improved he would get a substantial raise. Brenda Poss comes from a great UGA football family. Her comment about his salary covering someones health insurance should be concerning. You can deride that all you want but it’s a very logical argument to make.

Barack Dawg

February 9th, 2010
12:34 pm

What sports related personnel make is separate than the UGA academic personnel. Academics is funded with tax payer dollars and tuition. Damon Evans and company are paid by the Athletic Foundation, with not ties to the tax payer, public funds, or the academic budget.

If they want more then perform better. That is what the pay for the athletics is about. If Damon Evans does not get it done, he gets fired. How many professors were fired because they can’t teach? None – as long as they publish they are kept around.

If you don’t like it – don’t buy season tickets and don’t go to the game. College Athletics is no different than Professional sports. If you don’t go and pay then the salaries won’t rise. But if you are watching and paying for it, then someone has to get the money.

Bruce Mac

February 9th, 2010
12:35 pm

I think frdwg would tell you, yes he has heatlh insurance. He pays for it and so can you. What is wrong with that? The question is why should we pay $1.3 Billion for your health care when all you have to do is go to emergency room and tell them you can’t pay. They take care of it free now. The people have figured it out, a change is a comin.

CDAWG

February 9th, 2010
12:36 pm

My daughter is a student at UGA and I cannot afford the tickets to watch the dawgs play.

AVGUGAfan, I know that you are somewhat joking this is becoming a real problem for the USA. We are falling behind in the technical arena. Other Countries are pulling ahead of us.

Jona

February 9th, 2010
12:38 pm

Dean

My car payment could pay someone else’s health care. What’s your point?

FalconUGAFan

February 9th, 2010
12:40 pm

What SLK 65 said. Bottom line is our society (and the global BTW) value jobs differently. Police, teachers and anyone that is a public servants (besides community organizer types) are not paid as they should be. Athletic and celebrity types are always paid better. Don’t like it move to a Communist state or don’t watch the events that foster this type of pay.

CDAWG

February 9th, 2010
12:42 pm

Hey where does all the profit go that UGA generates? Just curious!

dagnabit isn't very smart

February 9th, 2010
12:43 pm

The Rebublicans expect people to earn what they receive. Democrats want you to be dependant on the State so they can rule your life.

Old Dawg

February 9th, 2010
12:43 pm

JacketFan: it’s “Know,” not “no.” Learn proper word usage before blasting someone.

123456789

February 9th, 2010
12:43 pm

UGA-AA is simply an “Employee-Leasing” entity.

VentingDawg

February 9th, 2010
12:44 pm

By law in the state of Georgia the Athletic Departments are self funded! End of story! If the funds came through the university then that’s a different story. If Mrs. Poss is concerned about the school’s funding the tell her to go raise the private contributions for the University. Personally we will not give a dime to the school until Adams is gone! All our contributions go to school auxiliaries like the Athletic Department! It they chose to give some surplus to school then that’s fine. However if that becomes expected or a large chunk each year then I’ll consider cutting that off too! If enough of the Dawg Nation does that then that’ll get somebody’s attention!

SSI gator

February 9th, 2010
12:47 pm

Evans = Shreveport

Foley = Three Football NC and two Basketball NC

Something is very wrong with this picture.

Paul in RDU

February 9th, 2010
12:48 pm

123456789 – interesting post. Makes me wonder what the cost side of the UGAA would be if it was a real capitalistic business and had to pay the “performers” market rate instead of their pay being capped at tuition + room and board

Jona

February 9th, 2010
12:49 pm

CDAWG

It pays for the athletic facilities.

DawgDawgDawg

February 9th, 2010
12:51 pm

I think it’s funny that a lot of people are making this out to be just a UGA issue/problem…what we’re paying Evans and the rest of the crew is no different than any other school. If people are so concerned about salary amounts and the current state of the economy, why aren’t you boycotting the Falcons and Braves and other pro sports…their salaries could buy health insurance for an entire country.

DAVID: AJC Truth Detector

February 9th, 2010
12:52 pm

IN SPORTs———SHOW ME THE $$$$$$$$$$$……

Jona

February 9th, 2010
12:52 pm

Paul in RDU

They get a free education. And if you’ve put a kid through college you know it ain’t chump change. They could skip college and try and walk on in the NFL.

Andrew

February 9th, 2010
12:53 pm

I’ve met Damon Evans before and he’s a good guy. He is a UGA grad and supporter. He is committed to making this one of the premier collge football programs(again) and he should be rewarded for it. He wants to win which is all that matters at the end of the day.

Hunker Down Dawgs

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February 9th, 2010
12:55 pm

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DawsonDawg

February 9th, 2010
12:57 pm

Give Richt a 10 year contract with 40% raise so as to secure him. Fire all of the Psychology teachers and give their salaries to Richt for spending money.

SSI gator

February 9th, 2010
1:00 pm

DawsonDawg

I am all for that. Keep him as long as you can.

Paul in RDU

February 9th, 2010
1:01 pm

Jona – As someone who is putting a kid through college right now I know it is not chump change. My point has to do with people posting like UGAA is some kind of standalone capitalistic enterprise that should be completely divorced from the university as a whole – it obviously isn’t. People have posted that rising salaries for the AD, DC, etc is due to supply and demand. If you want the best you have to pay for it. Without good players the team doesn’t win, revenue (attendance and donations) drop and the business becomes unprofitable.

Orr

February 9th, 2010
1:03 pm

They are both overpaid, Grantham and Evans…………………………most coaches and professional athletes are too. How about paying Grantham half of that and if he delivers then give him a huge raise. He hasn’t won anything yet as a Dawg and doesn’t deserve to be one of the highest D.C.s in the country……………not yet anyway.

Tree

February 9th, 2010
1:06 pm

Damon Evans got the raise because the University is profiting from the athletic department. But as a fan, I like to see a national championship before such a monstrous raise is given.

Jona

February 9th, 2010
1:10 pm

Paul in RDU

You could say the UGAA is the advertising arm of the university. Gets the university a lot of ink.

Paul in RDU

February 9th, 2010
1:11 pm

DawgDawgDawg – You are correct – this is an issue for all Div 1 schools not just UGA. It’s just magnified because at the same time the UGAA is making big profits and giving large raises the University is cutting people, dropping spending on journals, etc -

Snoop Dawg

February 9th, 2010
1:11 pm

I know a great way that UGA can strenghen its athletic program while cutting over $3.5M per year in salary: FIRE DEMON EVANS AND DA PREACHA MAN MARKT WRECKED!

Jethro

February 9th, 2010
1:14 pm

Evans = $550,000 a year
Grantham = $750,000 a year
Average 2 income American family = $45,000 a year

123456789

February 9th, 2010
1:16 pm

Paul in RDU:

Be sure you know and understand THE FACTS about the UGA-AA.

It is: a legally-separate/independent, private, revenue-generating,
non-profit 501(c)(3) CORPORATION.

It is has its very own: Officers, Articles of Incoporation, Federal Tax ID reporting number, etc.

It is NOT (IN ANY WAY) a LEGAL entity/subsidiary/division/office…of the University of Georgia.

The University of Georgia itself is a state-owned & controlled unit of the State of Georgia.

The UGA-AA is a PRIVATE CORPORATION.

Dunkley

February 9th, 2010
1:19 pm

” But as a fan, I like to see a national championship before such a monstrous raise is given.”

Those big draw teams like the Tennis and the Equestrian teams have been winning title. Don’t expect a football title on his watch.

Obama's laws of Economics I

February 9th, 2010
1:22 pm

Frankly, Evans did deserve his raise for finally dumping Dooley who had stayed at the party far too long. For that one issue, he deserved his money. I was a student at UGA in the late 60s and early 70s and VD was there toooooooooooo long.

Obamanomics would suggest that all of the SUCCESSFUL $$$ SEC schools give ALL of their revenue to Vandy, SC and KY and MSU, as they “are down trodden”, sad sacks. Poor babies. “It ain’t their fault” , in Obama’s words. Tech tried to siphon some of this money off back in the late 70s when they begged to get back in the SEC and were REJECTED. Ask any former tech players and they will say “true it is.”

It is about the $$$ in the SEC and Evans has grown the UGA largess. Evans has presided over one of the finest facilities top to bottom in the NCAA and a brand name that commands tons and tons of $$$, which is what it is all about. In the south, historically, we have always utilized our sports teams to better showcase the entire school. In the example of UGA,it has paid off, as UGA is a very, very competitive academic school and it has been for MANY years.

Here are three such examples: one family member in the UGA Honors Bus School program graduated and went to grad school at London School of Econ and another went to Bus. Adm MBA school at Duke and yet another went to the Emory MBA school. See? The football/sports money apparently helped BOOST them and their credentials to higher ed. One hand washes the other.

Evans is doing his job.

Go Dogs

Go Dogs and Remember…Money talks and BS walks.

DAVID: AJC Truth Detector

February 9th, 2010
1:23 pm

BILLY………..IT IS CALLED CAPITALISM in sports……..GET OVER IT.

GoJackets

February 9th, 2010
1:23 pm

Its not really a problem with UGA, its a problem at most of the football factories out there. Some schools are a football team, with an academic program on the side, and some are an academic institution with a football program on the side. Football factories usually fall into the former and therefore will naturally spend more money on football as its the face of the university. If you are a teacher and you have a problem with that then you should find a position at another university with different priorities.

DAVID: AJC Truth Detector

February 9th, 2010
1:25 pm

IN SPORTs…College & Pros…….you get the best talent $$$$$ can buy…

Bad Karma

February 9th, 2010
1:26 pm

So? UGA is an upper tier program in sports and academia. You get what you pay for. Falling on one’s knees and bemoaning the economy and the crying and gnashing of teeth over a “recession” as the justification for not giving anyone a raise just does not resonate all that much anymore. Go Dawgs!

IDIOT SEC PLUMBERS/PIPE LAYERS

February 9th, 2010
1:30 pm

123456789, interesting point on the UGA-AA. They can’t have it both ways just b/c they don’t want to pay Bryant. Could be a landmark ruling? I have no legal expertise but sounds like a precedent if appeals decide that it is like a 501c3.

Once again, the UGA grads separate themselves from the Plumbers and Pipe Layers. Not singling out Evans, but there is no way he can look in the mirror and say “I deserve this much” and not be lying to himself. Sure the market will bear that salary and that’s why he got it, but thats a lot of $$ that could support other positions at UGA-AA rather than Mr. Evans having a nice vacation home on Jekyll. This argument can go either way obv, but it would be refreshing to see someone turn down the $ or give it to charity, etc.

More to life than $

TallaDawg92

February 9th, 2010
1:30 pm

I am not implying an answer to this question, but how much would the UGA-AA bring in from boosters (some may EVEN be alumni) if it was just the Bulldogs, not the University of Georgia Bulldogs? Does the University not have any rights to the use of its name for profit?

Also, the biggest reason this country (and the world) is where we are is because too many people over-simplify capitalism, and believe that as long as “the market” dictates it, it MUST be right.

That kind of thinking is how Sarah Palin got nominated, and LOST the election for her party.

Marcel Ledbetter

February 9th, 2010
1:30 pm

no raise is justified when half the world lives on less than a dollar a day.

hammerhead

February 9th, 2010
1:34 pm

“CDAWG” – the vast majority of the profits go toward facility improvements. The University is not paying for the upgrade to Stegeman and the Plaza being developed on the North side of Sanford, the Athletic Association’s “profit” is. The media always implies that profit goes in someone’s back pocket. In any well run organization, profit goes directly back into the product with a small portion of it going to the people who made the organization profitable in the first place. With his raise, Damon has been recognized as a key to the Athletic Dept’s profitability.

1eyedJack

February 9th, 2010
1:39 pm

I love the comments made that police and firemen should get paid more because their job is dangerous. Ok, I agree that being a police or fireman is dangerous and an honorable and respectable job….but it only requires a high school diploma. Therefore the supply of qualified candidates will always outstrip the demand for available jobs which keeps that pay where it is. Also a lot of these jobs are funded by tax dollars which keeps compensation down.

Bottom line is if you are not happy with what you make at your job you have options. You can quit and look for a higher paid position. You can do a great job and hopefully get promoted, or you can go back to school and get an education that qualifies you for better pay.

FLDawg

February 9th, 2010
1:40 pm

hey Bill, what are the chances that Travis Leslie can try out to be WR, he has the potential to be unstoppable, he is 6:4, 220, a prototype WR

123456789

February 9th, 2010
1:41 pm

You see…

when UGAG uses TAXPAYER money to create fraudulent academic programs like UGAG’s infamous “Housing” degree program and similar “basket-weaving” majors to keep the
Semi-Illiterate “student” athlete on the field, so that a separate, private 501(c)(3) corporation called the UGA-AA can earn mega-millions in revenue…TAX-FREE…then it’s nothng but a tax-payer supported FRAUD !!

Then, UGA-AA takes those TAX-FREE mega-millions and expands Sanford, Steg, and Butts-Smear and buys New & Improved coaches, and gives their AD a mega-raise,
for the SOLE PURPOSE of……(wait for it)……generating even more TAX-FREE mega-millions.

Starting to get the picture ??

tellin it how it is

February 9th, 2010
1:42 pm

To quote the great movie known as THE PROGRAM when have you ever seen 90 thousand people show up to see a kid do a d amn chemistry experiment enough said case closed this is the south baby football country learn to deal with it or get the h ell out.

hammerhead

February 9th, 2010
1:43 pm

Orr – “how about paying Grantham half that” – really? Does that have to be explained to you? Do you think Tood Grantham would’ve left the Dallas Cowboys for “half that?”… No, for half that we would’ve had to stick with Willie Martinez or someone as incapable… And, the demand for tickets would plummet, prices would follow suit, contributions would diminish and the whole thing goes downward. Did ANYONE TAKE ECONOMICS?

tellin it how it is

February 9th, 2010
1:43 pm

to quote the great movie THE PROGRAM when have u seen 90 thousand people show up to watch a kid do a d amn chemistry experiment. This is the south baby football country deal with it or get the he ll out case closed

Teddy

February 9th, 2010
1:45 pm

I’v had it. I will make no additional contributions, and I do not expect to lose season tickets. The economy is in a mess and this is the wrong message to send. A 20% raise is steep. The AA will need the money soon, just to operate.

copdawg

February 9th, 2010
1:46 pm

i got to tell you all. i only read russ, the temp mascot posts. they are the greatest and cut to the chase, keep it up russ.

1eyedJack

February 9th, 2010
1:46 pm

Marcel, “half the world” needs to quit overpopulating, get off their lazy butts, get an education and develop what resources they have and quit moaning because someone else has figured it out. That goes for quite a few folks around here too.

GeoffDawg

February 9th, 2010
1:49 pm

I see we have Marcel Ledbetter representing the bedwetting view point.

ugaaccountant

February 9th, 2010
1:50 pm

I’ve never seen anyone bash Damon Evans until this muck-raking paper got envious of a modest raise. This appears to be a new 5 year deal and he’s getting about 20% more than his first contract. I am extremely happy we were able to retain him, he’s a real star in his field.

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

February 9th, 2010
1:50 pm

13456789, you show yourself to be an ignorant, whining piece of human trash when you post “ugag”. Most intelligent people stop reading when they see such stupidity

TybeeDawg

February 9th, 2010
1:53 pm

Maybe we should hire some of the physics professors to coach defense….isn’t that a mass and inertia problem?

Jerry Ryan

February 9th, 2010
2:01 pm

Bad timing and Evans should have deferred his raise for a year. There generally weren’t any raises for coaches just new hires this past year. However, after the physics professor gets tenure he is set for life with his contract. If things go south for a coach or athletic director he is fired!

123456789

February 9th, 2010
2:01 pm

Chin Ho…I’m laughing !!!!

Decory Bryant (who spent 2 years learning to walk again) isnt laughing.

tellin it how it is

February 9th, 2010
2:02 pm

plus being a college coach takes way more time and effort than being a college professor half this guys sit on their a ss and do nothing but spit out bs that isnt even on topic. Then they expect u to go through the book and figure things out for urself hell u might as well be teaching urself if they are going to do that and by the way I am a college baseball coach at the D 1 level in which the only degree I need is baseball and with all the camps lessons and salary I tend to pull in around 150k a year range at 26 years old so the fact is I have no problem with the salaries going up looks good for me and the time I put in with young men is way more beneficial than a professor who could give two sh its about them besides sports is life in the US certainly in the south deal with it and move on without the athletes and coaches these schools would not have the attendance that they have. Therefore they would lose more money from tuition. This is where athletics helps academics by the money they bring in because the scholarship money these programs pay out go to the academic world enough said stop crying about the teachers because half of them don’t do anything anyway especially in the state of Georgia.

Bull

February 9th, 2010
2:03 pm

Boy it’s really funny to see all those all white dwag fans and black players who don’t graduate.playing on Saturaday, China and India are laughing out their ass. Their hero Vince D.was as smart as a frog. It’s an insult to students who finish and teach math and science to our kids for $40.00 a year.

hind tit

February 9th, 2010
2:04 pm

the taxpayer and fans are really the ones footing the bill.

gdawginkalamazoo

February 9th, 2010
2:06 pm

The man runs a very profitable business. He deserves the raise. Based on profits he should probably be getting more.

Jona

February 9th, 2010
2:08 pm

$40.00 a year is good money in China and India

Todd - Dacula

February 9th, 2010
2:11 pm

Necessary, no; the right thing to do, yes. Damon is a talented AD and someone would try to grab him, forcing UGA to pay a lot more to retain him.

Heck, our politicians make money and do not repesent the public, more importantly, do not that great of a job; often making decisions that benefit only a few AND no, it is not President Obama’s fault…

123456789

February 9th, 2010
2:12 pm

Perhaps the University of Georgia should……RENT…… their “student” athletes
over to the UGA Athletic Association…for all sports.

By RENTING, the University could earn or “revenue-share” some MEGA-MILLIONS the UGA Athletic Association earns every year on THOSE VERY SAME “STUDENT” ATHLETES ?!

That way, the University could use their new found “Rent Money”
to pay for teacher pay raises, better benefits, fewer furlough days, etc. etc.

Dont remember reports of anyone from the UGA-AA having to tak a furlough day ??

“The student-athletes” are OUR students.” University of Georgia Admissions Office

“The student-athletes” are OUR revenue-stream.” UGA Athletic Assocaition.

UGAG = BS FRAUD

Farnsworth

February 9th, 2010
2:13 pm

No way it’s justified. It shows how upside down the priorities are in this country.

Big time?? Yes

February 9th, 2010
2:15 pm

The Athletic Dept. is a separate entity. Self funded. A BUSINESS that needs talent to run it.

Big time?? Yes

February 9th, 2010
2:16 pm

And there sure are a lot whiners out there. Maybe you should get another job.

middler and so tired of all the rhetoric :

February 9th, 2010
2:18 pm

The man and program under debate have their jobs because UGA exists. If they give back to UGA fairly, and also bear some of the burden of economic hard times, then no outcry. In this economy raises, if given at a public institution, should not be so out of line with the rest of the world. College football staffs exist in a bubble, pretty much exempt from the economy the rest of us live in. I don’t hear a single one forgoing their hundreds of thousands and/or millions but do hear about their bragging rights of being so highly paid among their colleagues. And Adams leading the way. If UGA did not exist as the prime Georgia training grounds for the NFL some of our athletes and athletic staff would not have jobs, or such high paying jobs, because there are a finite number of such positions…and a lot of people competing for them. The athletic director and athletic programs should up their contributions to the University, not to an endowment program that sits and grows fatter but to keep nonathletic costs down for students and give those infinitesimal raises to faculty and staff. There are institutions doing away with football programs entirely. UGA now touts itself as an Emory and Tech equal in academics, research, and development. You don’t hear Emory or Tech bragging about how much they pay their athletic department members. And kids compete avidly to get in and graduate from them. Regular kids who hope to get regular jobs. Not someone focused on his pro chances who will do nothing for the school or community when they hit the draft, often after just 3 years.

Jose Canseco

February 9th, 2010
2:20 pm

Take away Tennis and Gymnastics and we haven’t won Sh#&. Hell no Evans did not deserve a raise and either does Richt if he cant be the lizards!!

Jona

February 9th, 2010
2:21 pm

123456789

Maybe the university should pay the athletes for all the publicity they generate for the school.

Sounds about as stupid as your statement huh?

1eyedJack

February 9th, 2010
2:22 pm

It’s not what you pay a man, but what he costs you that counts. Now if there is one thing that we do worse than any other nation, it is try and manage somebody else’s affairs.

Diamond Dog's Parole Officer

February 9th, 2010
2:26 pm

Its not like Judge Stephens is biased or anything… Like graduating from UGA Law School. And I’m sure that he doesn’t contribute a dime to UGA or the UGA AA.

Nothing beats a third party, unbiased opinion!

Jan Kemp

February 9th, 2010
2:30 pm

Why do these losers get raises and we cant afford a medical school?

joe

February 9th, 2010
2:31 pm

“I’m not upset with the AD getting a raise. He forced Mark Richt to make a change so that deserves a big raise.”

Damon Evans didn’t force Mark Richt to do a damn thing. Mark Richt firing his defensive coaches was his own doing, not Evans’.

UGA'82

February 9th, 2010
2:31 pm

Several of you have almost hit the nail on the head. College athletics may once have been a amateur competition for university pride but any more Div IA is the AAA Football league for the NFL. As some of you have said, Evans runs a very profitable business. Let’s drop the pretense that student athletes participate, will graduate – though some do, pay these guys the market rate and we’ll all still enjoy seeing them play. There could be state teams but not UGA or GT. We’ll still all hate FLA but it will return universities to what they are supposed to do, educate our children instead of diverting resources away from that core mission with the sideshow that athletics has become.

Hershel

February 9th, 2010
2:34 pm

I want at least one statue for one of my personalities.

Unbiased about UGA

February 9th, 2010
2:36 pm

Other than my taxes that go to support UGA, as long as the Athletic Dept breaks even and takes no tax payers funds, I believe that they bring in more money to the University.

Your 6-Figure Athletic Director Mr. Evans

February 9th, 2010
2:37 pm

Bulldog Faithful:

This is a friendly reminder to pay your assessments for earning the privilege of buying tickets in a very prompt manner.

President Adams wants each of you to know that, just because he and I received raises doesn’t mean we don’t feel your economic pain during these tough times, and we suggest you use your credit cards if cash isn’t an option at this time.

Please do pay up in a prompt manner, and thank you.

rock

February 9th, 2010
2:39 pm

It is not just UGA, most major college athletic programs pour
out money like an “out of control” running faucet. As wasteful
as it is, do not blame the college presidents or the athletic directors. The blame is with the fans and boosters who keep the
faucet running.

GreggJ

February 9th, 2010
2:39 pm

Evans does not deserve a penny more until he can orchestrate at least a BCS championship appearance!

Diamond Dog's Parole Officer

February 9th, 2010
2:40 pm

Right Joe… CMR fired Willie because that’s what he wanted.

What’s next, that Herschel really doesn’t have multiple personality disorder? Or that CMR doesn’t have a spray-on tan clause in his contract?

Wes Stansbury

February 9th, 2010
2:41 pm

Evans is worth every penny and more!

cliff

February 9th, 2010
2:44 pm

Simply NO! NO! NO!

123456789

February 9th, 2010
2:46 pm

Jona: Sad that you cant tell sarcasm when you read it ?

Diamond Dawg: Judge Lawton Stephens is a UGA Alum(1987).

So is Hue Henry, Decory Bryant’s attorney.

1eyedJack

February 9th, 2010
2:47 pm

And wasn’t it on these same blogs just a few short weeks ago people were demanding Richt hire this DC or that DC and pay them what ever they want?

Diamond Dog's Parole Officer

February 9th, 2010
2:48 pm

123456789: Oh, I’m aware that Stephens is a UGA alum. He also frequents M. Adams suite at Sanford (& Son) Stadium.

Per for Performance

February 9th, 2010
2:51 pm

Suppose you won a national championship with coach making a reasonable salary and he was quickly hired to another university because and increase for his accomplishment was not “justified”. The fans would crucify the university.

Damon has earned to be paid at the top levels of AD nationwide. If we don’t pay him, someone will. Then you stand a chance of profits decreasing, the UGA brad deteriating, and fewer students enrolling, budgets continueing to tighten.

The athletic department contributes to the overall university directly and indirectly. Those professors are more likely to get a raise or keep their job because of the work DE does.

Fair and Balanced

February 9th, 2010
2:51 pm

Of course the raise for Evans is crazy! All the coaches salaries are crazy. America’s priorities are crazy. BUT, it is all in what the market can stand – what crazy people are willing to pay for crazy stuff.

Alphare

February 9th, 2010
2:51 pm

Athletic department takes in a lot of money, so UGA lets athletic department operate independently. So the coaches, Damon Evans can be paid monstrously and nobody can complain. Yes, some idiots call that capitalists. Most of those idiots grow up in the south, and their brains can only think 1-way straight, if the logic has a little turn, it will train-wreck their little peanut-size brains.

IRS is the most profitable government identity. Why don’t let IRS operate independent like UGA athletic department?

gdawginkalamazoo

February 9th, 2010
2:54 pm

1eyedJack, yes but that was then, this is now.

brenda

February 9th, 2010
2:55 pm

How in the world can they justify this — when other employees of the University System have been ordered to take 2 more furlough days this year — that’s on top of the furlough days they have already been hit with.

I dare say Damon Evans has no trouble feeding his family or worrying about his house going into foreclosure.

Alphare

February 9th, 2010
2:58 pm

Or let me give those southern rednecks another good example:

Coca Cola Whole-Sale department is the most profitable department. Coke should let their Whole-Sale department operate independently like UGA athletic department, so that its department head can have a monstrous salary hike year after year.

Or, better yet, why UGA athletic department even be part of the university then? why not rename itself some thing like “Athletic Department of the State of Georgia”? that way, they don’t even have to inject any money to the academic department, and instead give all income to the coaches and Damon Evans as salary.

SickandTired

February 9th, 2010
2:59 pm

The games are played on university property. The games are played using university students. Take the association over or disband it and bring the funds into the general fund and tell Mark Richt and the band of thieves in the Butts Mehre they are all now university employees and subject to the same pay scale….either that or tell them to hit the road. End of discussion………they are no better than the professor who teaches animal husbandry. Or wait, that goes on in the Butts Mehre too doesn’t it already?

PT

February 9th, 2010
3:01 pm

123456789 – I don’t care!

Paddy

February 9th, 2010
3:02 pm

I love capitalism, always have. Don’t you?

Dawglasville

February 9th, 2010
3:05 pm

Pay Damon. He has earned it. He hit a homerun with Coach Fox and we will have to wait and see about the defense.

Alphare

February 9th, 2010
3:06 pm

I bet most of the “capitalism” blogger got an UGA education, or never took a class in UGA.

“Capitalism”, what a joke? do you even know what capitalism is?

Your $$ is MY MONEY or else says POTUS

February 9th, 2010
3:19 pm

Athletes in the NBA get paid big $$ and same for baseball, NFL football players and entertainers. The US PUBLIC has created this system. If you do not like seeing so and so with money, then take it. Obama does the same thing with his evil commie taxation schemes. Why not? Leon Trotski and Vladimir Lenin STOLE it and imprisoned the Russians for 100 years. Why not? Same logic. In other words, “they have it, we don’t, so let us TAKE IT” is the cry. Right???

Do not view sports events in person or watch TV or listen to the radio, if you do not want to see the entertainers and such get paid big bucks. YOU ALL are the problem. I did not watch more than 5 minutes of the Super Bowl.

I do love UGA sports however and I for one, am happy that UGA is flush with cash. THEY HAVE EARNED it in the m-a-r-k-e-t place gang.

Money talks and B Crap walks.

Barack Dawg

February 9th, 2010
3:21 pm

Whine Whine Whine……all you whiners – have a nice glass of shut the hell up. Who cares how much Damon Evans makes….you should not because you are probably not paying for it.

You whined when we did not have a DC now you whine because he and Evans make to much. Thank god you whiney biatches are not in charge at UGA or at the Athletic Association.

Waffle House Executive Board for GATECH

February 9th, 2010
3:24 pm

Tech gets all of their “contribtions” from the WHEB and no one complains. I will.

Um, ah, my eggs were too greasy on NY Day darn it and therefore I’ll not dine there anymore and that will cause tech some major money probs. I used to love the WH before I knew that the WHEB was behind all of tech’s funding.

Who cares?

Go Dogs.

KJ

February 9th, 2010
3:26 pm

“I bet most of the “capitalism” blogger got an UGA education, or never took a class in UGA.”

Posts that rag on someone’s education are awesome, given that there are 3 spelling/grammar errors in this one sentence.

Barbara Dooley

February 9th, 2010
3:28 pm

Absolutely. Do whatever it takes to make sure the flea bags finish in the bottom teir of the SEC.

GeoffDawg

February 9th, 2010
3:33 pm

Why don’t you define capitalism for us Alphare? I’m sure we’d all find that fascinating.

1eyedJack

February 9th, 2010
3:37 pm

You guys don’t seriously think that Adams just woke up one morning and said, “You know what? I think I’ll give Damon a $90K raise today.” do you?

It don’t work like that in the real world. Damon, just like any of us who have a job goes through a yearly job evaluation process. He obviously met goals or other parameters that were defined in his contract.

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

February 9th, 2010
3:41 pm

123456789, as much as you don’t want to hear the truth, Decory Bryant was playing football for the University of Ga, not the Athletic Association. He was not an employee of the AA. So what then should be the responsibility (legally) of the AA as it pertains to Mr Bryants injuries? Try to think before you answer.

WonderDawg

February 9th, 2010
3:45 pm

You can’t blame UGA or Evans for this. Sports and entertainment are strangely unaffected by the recession. Actors in a witchcraft movie getting $50m for ONE movie. A-Rod, LeBron, Brady, et al getting $500K + per GAME. On and on it goes …

cantondawg

February 9th, 2010
3:46 pm

Herschel Talker,

You were talking about allowing CMR to train wreck the Football program.

Are you talking about the same CMC who:

1) has won two sec championships and played in another
2) team was ranked #2 in final poll two years ago..#3 final ranking in 2003
3) has highest winning percentage in UGA history
4) who has consistently recruited at a higher level than any UGA coach.
5) has impeccable character
6) who has built recruiting contacts for more than 10 years in the state of GA.

Sure, why don’t we fire him and then hire someone with an unproven record and then we will surely fall further behind AL and TN, SC, AUB, LSU will all jump us too.

Dawgmaster

February 9th, 2010
3:46 pm

Get over it! Life isn’t fair. It never has been and never will be. The only thing that is fair is that 100% of all people will die. So, you better be ready and don’t let your sense of fairness ruin the time that you do have.

123456789

February 9th, 2010
3:46 pm

Here’s the REAL PICTURE:

UGAG “invents” joke academic majors like “Housing” AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE
to put semi-illiterate “student” athletes on the field for the SOLE PURPOSE
of generating MEGA-MILLIONS in TAX-FREE REVENUE for a PRIVATE CORPORATION
called the UGA-Athletic Association.

The University gets NONE of the $30 Million in ANNUAL TAX-FREE REVENUE
generated by the UGA-AA.

Tell that to the Professors, Maintenance Workers, Administrators who got ZERO.

And, ZERO, was given to Decory Bryant. But, THAT will be corrected soon.

WonderDawg

February 9th, 2010
3:55 pm

Spoken like a true lawyer. “I see millions, how do I get my grubby hands on it.” Even if (and it aint gonna happen) Bryant gets a settlement, you grubby lawyers will keep 80%.

123456789

February 9th, 2010
3:57 pm

Chin Ho:

Your ignorance is obvious on the Bryant case.

Hoke Wilder was the former Assistant Director of the UGA Athletic Assocaition.
He was an EMPLOYEE of the UGA-AA.

Wilder FAILED to submit the insurance paperwork for Decory Bryant
(as Braynt and his parents had requested) that would have paid Bryant
$500,000 for his career-ending neck injury.

You think it was just “coincidence” that Damon Evans FIRED Hoke Wilder……
on Evans VERY FIRST DAY ON THE JOB AS AD ??

Braynt…ASKED…the MEGA-MILLION CORPORATION called the UGA-AA to pay the $500,000 that the insruance company would not pay because Widler didnt send in the forms right before the injury.

The UGA-AA said NO to Bryant. So, so Bryant sued.

When this case reaches the Appeals Court, it’ll be BAD BAD BAD for the UGA-AA.
I suspect the UGA-AA will end up payng Bryant $5,000,000+ to settle this case.

Next time, know what the hell YOU’RE talking about…first.

59bulldawg

February 9th, 2010
4:09 pm

I don’t have a problem with Damon’s salary. In fact I think it’s money well-spent. He learned from one of the best, being mentored under Vince, and he’s one of the best ADs in the country. Very professional and runs a tight ship. We’re lucky to have him and I hope he retires one day after a long career as the head of Georgia athletics.

georgedawg

February 9th, 2010
4:13 pm

The Atlanta J & C is a journalistic joke. They have to try to stir up controvercy because their people can’t write interesting stuff. I’ve cancelled my subscription and hope others do as well.
It’s about time that Georgia tried to keep up with the schools they are trying to compete with. Mark Fox a case in point. Great coach. Todd Grantham and the other defensive coaches. Great hires. I, for one, was tired of watching our kids get inferior coaching. If you’ve watched Georgia football for the past few years it’s been obvious that our competitors like Florida, Tennessee and Alabama had better coaching staffs. It’s a no brainer to step up and compete from a financial standpoint.Theres much riding on Georgia having a successful football and basketball programs.
Go Dawgs!
I think Fox is going to build us a basketball team if we fans will just support him and fill up Stegman.
I’m excited to watch our defense next year. Grantham has got me fired up. I bet the players are excited too.
Damon Evans deserves some credit and this salary increase.

Standing on the sidelines

February 9th, 2010
4:16 pm

No one twists anyone’s arm to choose an academic career. Lets face it, many pursue an academic career, not because they are THAT dedicated to teaching and scholarship, but because they know it will be a very easy life-style, and, if they are lucky enough to be granted tenure, they are just about guaranteed a job for life whether they continue to be productive or not. Coaches, on the other hand, at least at big-time football schools, make an obscene salary but have to be constantly productive, as in win, win, win. If they are not, as in the recent case of Willie M., they won’t be hanging around long. College football and academics are what they are. The market dictates it, and those who choose an academic career will just have to deal with it. Sorry.

seabass

February 9th, 2010
4:21 pm

Yes! We knew going in to have a decent DC we would have to pay. Why would a guy leave the Dallas Cowboys for minimal pay. We make a lot of money just off our football program. Why not use it?

Without-a-clue

February 9th, 2010
4:23 pm

Read this, and other sports blogs and you get a sense of the academic level and interest of the average “sports fan”. Yes, there are those on here who have never darkened a door of a UGA classroom(or one of any other institution of higher learning), but some of them(claim to have[?])graduated from UGA. My point is: Education, not sports, needs more emphasis.

FL Dawg

February 9th, 2010
4:25 pm

Letter Writer Brenda is obviously obama, masked by her robin hood anticts of wanting to take from the rich and give to the poor. This argument is precisely the reason coaches salaries etc. should not be made public. There is a point where the open records acts just don’t make sense.

Alas, the desparity in salaries and the ultimate jealousey that insues, will be the undoing of America. If you can’t keep what you earn, then why earn it?

CatsFly

February 9th, 2010
4:29 pm

Football recruits determine the quality of the team, and UGa is very good. Students determine the academic quality of the school, and UGa is very average.

Veteran Fan

February 9th, 2010
4:32 pm

Some of these comments are down right STUPID! First, a successful athletic program attracts students and donors who foot the bills for the academic side otherwise UGA is West Georgia. Second, this university gets the lion’s share of the academic funding from the legislature and is bloated and should readily agree to cost cutting measures when revenues are down. Third, if the athletic association wanted to solve this problem and be truly independent, then buy Sanford and Stegman and all the other facilities at current market value and put the proceeds in a trust for the university to use forever and then they could proceed with their idiotic self-serving salaries and raises and no one could say a word! Barring that lease the facilities at market rates as any other outside agency would do. What no more screaming about the “independence” of the athletic program? No, in a real world no football coach is worth $1million or more a year and yes the university should get a cut of all those t-shirts, flags, underwear, etc…. But this is a balloon that will burst someday so enjoy it while it lasts!

Gen Neyland

February 9th, 2010
4:51 pm

Out here in the real world, we of the generation that considers opportunity to be at the forefront of all things American, not European, have held the theory that you’re worth whatever they pay you. If UGA considers paying their people big bucks, that’s their business.

dagnabit : People aren’t ‘denied’ health care no more than people are denied a new car every year. If you want it, go get it and pay for it. Your life on earth ain’t nobody’s responsibilty but yours…

PTC DAWG

February 9th, 2010
4:59 pm

Damon is worth every penny of his pay.

Paul in RDU

February 9th, 2010
5:00 pm

Veteran Fan

February 9th, 2010
4:32 pm

I agree that when schools do something outstanding in sports (like win an MNC) it is a great advertisement and results in a boost in applications and donations. If you are trying to imply that you need successful sports teams to get donations to the University, how do you explain the endowments of the different universities in Georgia?

Emory University
$4.33 billion

Georgia Tech Foundation
$944.3 million

The University of Georgia Foundation
$456.1 million

Agnes Scott College
$230.6 million

Ma Barker

February 9th, 2010
5:02 pm

General- Well said and intellectually it holds together…We are free to choose. But what I think some people are trying to say is that it is not a healthy or flattering comment on the university that its alumni value contributing to the athletic fund more than they value supporting the academic pursuits of the university. If I understand correctly, the UGAA has a lot more money than the academic endowment holds. UGA is not alone on this, and while we are all free to send our money where we like, its hard to argue there is not a higher use that would have more benefit to society than buying another Lexus for the new DC of the Bulldawgs…

doug

February 9th, 2010
5:06 pm

Yes, unlike the Liberal faculty, staff and Professors the coaches are actually contributing something to individual students. The coaches are not filling the players heads with failed Socialistic viewpoints like professors but rather teaching them reality and the value of hard work.
I say give the Jeremy Foley’s of the world more money out of the pockets of the Bill Ayers of the world.

Dennis G. Berdanis

February 9th, 2010
5:07 pm

Didn’t I just read last year that UGA tops all universities in bringing in money due to sales of sports paraphenlia (sp?) at about 51 million a year. I’d say the sports coaching salaries are a bargain at percentage of revenue.

superDawg

February 9th, 2010
5:21 pm

Keep the liberal minded idiots out of this it makes more money for the Gov.than raising taxes.With that said VOTE REPUBLICAN and cut the size of Gov.save this country now from bankrupting.I am mad as hell with the state of affairs in Washington D.C..It is time for real change.Give’em hell in nov.

ugaaccountant

February 9th, 2010
5:22 pm

Dennis G Gerdanis – Yes, something like that. Evans has turned our AA into one of the best in the country, consistently, by any method of measure. But that’s not what this blog is for. This blog is for people to show their envy.

dawgma

February 9th, 2010
5:25 pm

GREEDY – PIGGY – SICKENING.

TO THINK THEY DON’T EVEN GIVE A KID $500 A MONTH SPENDING MONEY FOR GENERATING BILLIONS IN DOLLARS A YEAR FOR ADULTS IS HORSES**T.

COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS STILL THE BEST.

COLLEGE SPORTS ADMINISTRATION IS FILLED WITH GREEDY, NARCISSITIC, EGO-MANIACS – SEE USC, UA, UF, LSU, OU, ETC.

THE BIGGEST LOSERS OF ALL ARE THE NCAA BOARDMEMBERS.

ugaaccountant

February 9th, 2010
5:27 pm

DO YOU KNOW HOW I KNOW YOU ARE DUMB? BECAUSE YOU DON’T KNOW HOW TO TURN OFF THE CAPS LOCK FUNCTION.

Dennis

February 9th, 2010
5:44 pm

Not only did Grantham cost UGA an exorbatant salary, they drove up the price for a top notch coach for everyone else and then hired him, having to pay much more than if they had set there sights on him quietly to start with. It will be fitting if Grantham is successful and cost UGA another $200,000 to keep him because another school is poorly coached. UGA drove up the price for LSU,Alabama, and who know who else, not because of success, but, because of failure.

Gen Neyland

February 9th, 2010
5:46 pm

Ma Barker : There is a ton of money under the mattresses of the majors in D-1 and UGA ranks near the top. You and the others that are alumni from this institution have a say. Along with boosters, student-athlete alums, BOT’s, etc have a say. You may not be heard but you can speak. The only thing that speaks volumes is success and failure. There must be a majority that sees success over-riding failure. Shoot, a dang Lexus that’s probably leased and a tax break for UGA and a perk for Mr. Right. Wish it was me but I’ll keep kick starting the the ol’ Biscaynne.

Bernie

February 9th, 2010
5:55 pm

Well Guys and Gals… GATORS may have there new CO/DC.Looks like Charlie Harbison from Clemson.Excellent resume… will know later.A great pick-up for us if it happens. GO GATORS !!

ONLY Fair

February 9th, 2010
5:57 pm

MauiDawg

February 9th, 2010
5:58 pm

Anyone has to realize that the university and the athletic program are two different entities for making money. UGA football and athletics are really just a private marketing and entertainment brand controlled by market forces. Just market forces at work. Congrats on the raise AD Evans, you deserved it and the popularity of UGA athletics shows it.

MauiDawg

February 9th, 2010
6:07 pm

Oh….and of course. AJC figured it was Bill King’s turn to write something to stir the pot again with the Dawgs. I’m really getting tired of this type of crap from AJC editors.

NewnanDawg

February 9th, 2010
6:20 pm

From Gen Neyland – dagnabit : People aren’t ‘denied’ health care no more than people are denied a new car every year. If you want it, go get it and pay for it. Your life on earth ain’t nobody’s responsibilty but yours…

Although the grammar was pretty pitiful, THANK YOU! If I hear one more whiny comment that basically is saying we should become a socialist nation, I’m going to puke. The athletic association raises their own money and is kind enough to give a minimum of $2M per year to academics which they do not have to do. If the faculty wants more money, tell them to ask the state to cut out some of the billions in waste to free up more education funds, or go out and ask for the donations like the athletic department does. I know several people like myself that graduated from UGA but are disgusted by the increasingly socialist teaching in our state run universities and have stopped donating because of it. Professors aren’t exactly in the poor house and they work far less hours than your average coach or athletic director. When you choose a field, you know what the incomes are. If you want to make more money, earn it! These coaches scrape by on nothing while be grad assistants and lower level position coaches at small schools working countless hours to earn their chance, similar to a doctor scraping by while in school and being a resident. They aren’t just handed a great income by saying they want to coach and only the best make it to that level. People need to stop feeling entitled to the money from others’ success, get off their butt, and do it on their own.

Oh, and Evans deserved the raise for the Mark Fox hire alone. Just the increase in attendance to men’s basketball will pay for his raise in no time, and he’s done a lot more than that.

Go Dawgs!

Jborodawg

February 9th, 2010
6:21 pm

MauiDawg: I couldn’t agree more on your last two posts. It’s market forces at work….and it’s the usual negative-slanted blog getting a rise outa people.

JacketFan

February 9th, 2010
7:01 pm

Wow, some folks are really letting their ignorance shine. Some of you are just showing how little you NO about this subject. Here’s the thing; without the college there would be KNOW college athletics. The team needs the college, not the other way around. Were athletic programs such as UGA’s to actually contribute to the college, then that reality may be different. The real problem is a college president who doesn’t have the nads to stand up to the Athletic Association and the Alumni and take control of some of that revenue the athletic teams are bringing in.

And for those of you belittling the contributions of professors, here’s what I NO. Without professors there would be KNOW students. KNOW students, KNOW student athletes – bye bye athletics. Furthermore, student athletes only make up 5% of the student population. Of those 5%, only 10-15% have any realistic shot at becoming a professional athlete. Colleges are in place to educate students, not train athletes. That places the importance of coaches and athletic administration and staff at about nil in my book.

To those of you who are UGA alum, where would you be without your professors? You wouldn’t have a degree. You wouldn’t have a job. Oh, wait, I just realized that probably 90% of the people on the UGA blogs never stepped foot in a classroom at the University, Nevermind.

Jim

February 9th, 2010
7:01 pm

This Brenda Poss has the same Obama-esque thinking that is destroying our country. Somebody makes more money doing something valuable, so let’s take from them so everybody else is happy and suckling from the public teat. The Athletic Dept. shouldn’t have to share; the funding comes from different sources. And let’s not even mention the tax revenue that athletic events generate. Pinko commie BS!

BravesFan79

February 9th, 2010
7:06 pm

I bet over 50% of the professors at UGA could do just as good a job as Evans! I see NOTHING special about what Evans brings to the table… .and he dmn sure dosent deserve that much $$!

Let's Hire Brenda Poss for AD!

February 9th, 2010
7:28 pm

Can Brenda Poss do Damon Evans’ job? I attended UGA and I think it’s a safe bet that 90% of the professors I had couldn’t do his job either. If he runs a clean program that makes a profit, then he is worth every dime he is paid. The problem with liberals in general is they just can’t accept a market economy. He is being paid fair market value. I bet Brenda Poss is a democrat and that she wants free government health care. I bet she also works a useless government desk job.

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Let's Hire Brenda Poss for AD!

February 9th, 2010
7:32 pm

BravesFan79, Which 50% do you think could run a multi-million dollar business with hundreds of employees? Most professors come in late, leave early, and “manage” one or two grad students. Oh yeah, that’s tenured professors that can’t be fired for anything short of sex with a student (and that’s debatable). You show me a professor that generates the revenue for UGA that Damon Evans brings in, then I will agree he/she should get a raise.

Krogunner

February 9th, 2010
7:33 pm

He can have the raise if he finds us a new Head Football Coach!

DawgCrazy

February 9th, 2010
7:41 pm

Damon Evans—way overpaid. he’s a paper shuffler and gofer for michael adams. UGA wastes millions on salary and perqs—just raise booster fees and ticket prices to pay for more luxury.

mcdawg

February 9th, 2010
7:44 pm

this is the boring kind of stuff baseball writers write about

Alabama Jack

February 9th, 2010
7:45 pm

Just showe how hard it is to get people to come to Athens.

Professor

February 9th, 2010
7:48 pm

OK students, here in a liberal arts university the first thing we learn in English 101 is how to properly use “NO” and “KNOW”. Ready?

JacketFan

February 9th, 2010
7:50 pm

Professor … you missed the joke. Try reading the entire thread next time before you look like an idiot.

Professor

February 9th, 2010
7:52 pm

Oh, was there a joke there? Then, hahahahahahaha!

BigGAdawg

February 9th, 2010
7:57 pm

Poss and company are always going to be miserable and unhappy. You cannot be happy trying to live out of the other guys pocket. And being so morally superior to everyone else is tiresome indeed.

But the questions she asks reveal her heart for socalism. I guess she CAN be happy with the occupant of the White House–one of her fellow travelers. She/they are the kind of morons who want to put a limit on what you can earn, no matter how hard you work and no matter what you have earned.

Class warfare is a simpleton’s game. That is the only type of person who they can fool with it–others who are as simple minded and shallow as they are.

We can look for Poss (or her ilk) to write another letter condemning the renovation of Stegeman because that money should go to pay for something that she thinks is more important. Nevermind that they have a 60+ million surplus in the bank thanks to the hard work of Damon and his staff and to all of the happy alumni who donated it.

Damon Evans is underpaid, even after his raise, when you compare his salary to other ADs who even approach the profitability of his department. We are fortunate to have his caliber of leadership and management.

JacketFan

February 9th, 2010
7:59 pm

Market Value? Okay, wisenheimer, how many professionals does a professor turn out in his or her career? Let’s see … the average University professor teaches around 100-150 students in a given year. Now, adjusting for graduation rates, that’s probably around 80-120 college graduates, who have trained with that professor, earning their diplomas every year. With those numbers, by the end of his or her career, a professor will have graduated somewhere in the neighborhood of 3500 students. Now, the average lifetime salary for a college graduate is $2.1 million. That’s an economic impact of around $75 billion to the economy over a period of 30 years. Spread that out over the lifetimes of each graduate from year 1 to year 30 and that number is much higher. What do you think Damon Evans’ impact will be? Without professors, there are no professionals to work in this economy. So, yeah, I think professors deserve a little more respect than you and the rest of the retards on this blog are giving them.

Valdosta Dawg

February 9th, 2010
8:00 pm

It can be justified no matter what the economy. The letter write Brenda Poss breaks his salary down and says that could go to pay for someone’s insurance that does not have it. There is the problem, she is a liberal that believes someone else should take care of everyone else. I am happy for Damon and all the coaches. They have worked hard to obtain the positions they hold and should not feel bad for making a lot of money. If you do not like it, work harder and get a higher paying job. But this crap about no one should get paid that much during this tough time is just that, CRAP. You are just mad that it is not you. This is a free country and people should be able to work hard and make lots of money! I know you progressive/liberal/ sociallist types, like OBAMA, want everyone to make the same. You want to take from Mark Richt or Damon Evans and give it to people that do not work and thats crap! Congratulations Damon, make as much as possible!

Without-a-clue

February 9th, 2010
8:10 pm

I go back to the days when athletics was provided by the University to the students as a diversion from their studies. That was when the dog, or dawg, wagged the tail. Now that the tail wags the dog, or dawg, I guess it is anything goes. BUT, if you lose sight of the fact that this is college athletics, not a “business”, you have allowed them(college athletics…and particularly football)to be turned into a minor league for the NFL and education will become even more secondary. Our competitors across the oceans are loving that.

Big B CH 99

February 9th, 2010
8:48 pm

Adams will keep Evans as long as he can, b/c all Evans is is a puppet. He does whatever Adams says, Adams is the real AD at UGA. He got rid of Dooley b/c he knew that he couldn’t control Dooley. Adams is an ego-maniac, micro-manager. There’s a reason that everyone hates him.

lowcountrydawg

February 9th, 2010
9:04 pm

I really don noit care how much they pay the coaches as long as they run a good program and win…..

AthDog

February 9th, 2010
9:09 pm

Dean, okay listen up…ready?…the UGA-AA, money from the athletic department goes to pay ALL athletic department employees, secretaries, coaches and Damon Evans. The AA is so profitable that they give two million dollars a year to the University in a fund that Dr Adams controls. The athletic association does not cost the University anything, it is a cash cow FOR the university, giving two millin a year to the school. That’s twice in the same letter I’ve written this. Do you understand now, or do I need to write it again since you obviously didn’t read the article.
And no, Ohio State didn’t give ‘100 million’ to the it’s school. Had they done so, they (the OSU AA) would be bankrupt. Seriously, can any of you read?

.

February 9th, 2010
9:14 pm

I wonder how much money the Professors contribute to the University? You know with their little “side projects’ and books they write? Does that money work it’s way back to academics? You know, those Professors that never show up to teach, but have the GAs do the dirty work so they can concentrate on their “research projects” and thought provoking books. You know, wink wink, hush hush, shhhhhhhhh!

AthDog

February 9th, 2010
9:17 pm

Jacket Fan, please understand. Most of us here are not showing any lack of respect for professors. It is a fact that over a career, a professor will impact exponentially more lives than a football coach will. There is no one who is sane that will argue that fact. The argument here seems to be, or at least started off being, if it was better for the university to pay professors or athletic directors. The point is, the university doesn’t pay the athletic directors. They are paid by, and employed by, another entity. My friend the genetics professor is paid by the university, Damon Evans is paid by the athletic department. The university raises its own money for its own account through grants, endowment, tuition, tax money, etc…the athletic department raises its money for its account through ticket sales, endowments, media contracts, paraphernalia sales, etc…The athletic department give two million to the school. The school does not give money to the athletic department. Got it?

AltamahaDawg

February 9th, 2010
9:19 pm

Ms. Brenda, just tell them to go get a job as an AD. You’re welcome.

Rich

February 9th, 2010
9:21 pm

Last I checked coaches have no tenure and no retirement plan. A football team fails to perform and the coach loses his job, a class fails to learn and the professor get another class.

AltamahaDawg

February 9th, 2010
9:23 pm

By the way folks, you pay about 20% of the actualy cost of your kid going to UGA in tuition. The rest comes from somebody else, so don’t complain about a department that pays it’s entire way and then some.

.

February 9th, 2010
9:23 pm

No risk = no reward. A sports coach can be fired whenever the wind changes. An untouchable tenured Professor has a sheild to protect them.

Rich

February 9th, 2010
9:24 pm

Let’s Hire Brenda Poss for AD! – Don’t you think “runs a clean program” is a little loose with the history of arrests?

Rich

February 9th, 2010
9:26 pm

Jacket Fan – We all respect the professors, but they are it is about pay. Coaches are respected while winning, professors are respected for knowledge. Knowledge is far more important, winning is temporary.

AltamahaDawg

February 9th, 2010
9:53 pm

Rich, wouldn’t drivers education be more of a Dad’s responsibility than an athletic director’s?

Gen Neyland

February 9th, 2010
10:00 pm

NewnanDawg : Thanks, I think…Ahh, but’s it’s the blogosphere and grammer isn’t graded here. Or is it..?

JacketFan

February 9th, 2010
10:11 pm

[quote] ou know, those Professors that never show up to teach, but have the GAs do the dirty work so they can concentrate on their “research projects” and thought provoking books. You know, wink wink, hush hush, shhhhhhhhh! [quote]

Whoever wrote this is retarded. I teach 15-18 credit hours per semester. I have no GAs teaching anything – most “professors” don’t have GAs. Departments have GAs that teach lower division undergraduate classes. The majority of academics in this state – those who teach at the 25+ state colleges – work with as many as 175 students every SEMESTER. On top of that we are active in community service, professional development and administrative duties that revolve around improving the academic environment for our students and ensure we are providing them a relevant, enriching education. You know what we get paid? Less than high school teachers with less education – because, guess what, we don’t have unions.

And, yes, there are professors who teach at Universities and who spend a minimal amount of time in the classroom and devote most of their time to research, Research like, oh, I don’t know, cost-saving technology for industry, cures for terminal diseases, new approaches to development, better understanding of complex economic principles – you know, the stuff that makes the world move forward.

And some of us, like myself, are supplementing our low pay by freelancing in the private sector. I work ALL DAY. I teach classes during the day, do work for a private company in the afternoon and teach an online class for a for-profit university so that I can take care of my family. Now, I could quit, go into the private sector full time and probably double my salary – most academics could – but, then who would teach “professionals.”

As to the whole argument about the Athletic Association v/s the University. That was a move made by the trustees. Not the state. Again, a president with some balls could change that dynamic and do the RIGHT thing and re-establish the focus of the University on academics rather than football.

JacketFan

February 9th, 2010
10:15 pm

Oh, and AthDog, $2 million for a university the size of UGA is a drop in the bucket, my friend. Hell, that’s not even half of the annual budget for USG’s smallest state schools (think, Gordon College or Waycross College).

Florida Dawg

February 9th, 2010
10:38 pm

It’s easy to pay someone a lot of money if they are not using their personal money. The more you pay the coaches, the more the AD and Pres makes…right?

Marcel Ledbetter

February 9th, 2010
10:54 pm

1eyedJack, your ‘figured out” resources, population control, and education is as stable now as it was for the Greeks, Romans, Persians, and Aztecs at their peak as it was at their destruction. One dollar a day…search for real hope and stability outside of money.

BuLLdawg

February 9th, 2010
11:03 pm

You missed the point all together, as always Bill King.

Professors, get back with me when you get UGA ranked Number 34 in the U.S. News and World Report Rankings.

Damon Evans, I would not have come out so against handing you $3.5 million dollars, and that is what this is all about exactly, if you spent $750,000 a year on an Offensive Coordinator for that woebegone staff on Offense compiled by the same coach who hired the 3 he just fired and who defended their hiring every day for all these years. Likewise, I hold it against Damon Evans that you do not build us an Indoor Practice Facility. And, that you do not build us a gym, to replace that Cow Palace, the Stegosaurus.

Michael F. Adam$, while we are on the topic we also do not like the way you waste money on $1,700 dinners with no one there but your wife and 2 cronies of yours. You have no right to look into anything about how much money we make taking up donations for Athletics. If you were not such a BH, we would get back to donating to The University of Georgia. Perhaps you think I will anyway, after you have stayed at my University now for so damn long. Like I will forget. Forget Hell. Remember the Sugar Bowl Welcome we all gave you and your lovely wife Michael F. Adam$ ?

Not one penny. Now, leave so we can get on with Our University.

Let’s be real.

This “ad” is about a group of Bible Thumpers who insist that no woman has any right whatsoever to make up her own mind.

Pam had that right.

So too does everyone else.

Pam and Tim have no business telling everyone else that they should have NO CHOICE.

BuLLdawg

February 10th, 2010
1:05 am

“Fans of many schools believe it’s their right to win in The SEC: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, and Tennessee. 6 teams that have a right to win in The SEC.”

That is complete hogwash.

The Georgia Bulldogs are :

25-36-4 vs Alabama

52-53-8 vs Auburn

3-17 last 2 decades vs Florida

12-14-1 vs LSU

16-21-2 vs Tennessee

None of the teams you just listed are teams we have a winning record against all-time, except for Florida, which once stood at 44-22-2 and now is 47-39-2.

We really do not beat the good teams, sorry. And, worse yet, we lose in just inexplicable losses to sorry teams once a year too.

In the Coach Richt Era, we are 3-8 in the 11 games we have played against what ended up being Top 10 SEC Final AP Poll teams.

In the Coach Richt Era, we are 17-19 vs the Top 25 Final AP Poll teams.

In the Coach Richt Era, we have lost 8 times in 9 years against teams Unranked at all in the Final AP Poll Top 25.

Get over yourself. We are not who you say we are.

What we need is an 11-year NFL Veteran as Offensive Coordinator, which is painfully obvious from the failings of getting Offensive Recruits this year while we got all these great Defensive Coaches and just signed all these great defensive recruits.

GATA

February 10th, 2010
1:06 am

Don’t stop with Physics Professor’s. How about the Janitors? Why is a Physics Professor worth more money than an employee that protects the health of the students by keeping bathrooms sanitary?

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Creoledawg

February 10th, 2010
6:37 am

It’s the price we have to pay to win and if it takes more to win the national championship, so be it.

Smittie

February 10th, 2010
6:38 am

The AD has it’s own funding and budgets. Face it the professors have a good gig with a work schedules and student assistants help that private business employees can only dream about. AD and Coaches salaries only matter in the market place. Poss wants what is fair. How does she define it? Who would be the fairness police? Is she willing to give up part of her pay to be fair to someone making less?

.

February 10th, 2010
7:06 am

“Now, I could quit, go into the private sector full time and probably double my salary – most academics could –” because a lot (not all) are scared to, and want to remain in their insulated cocoons. Some do have a “calling” to make a difference and totally admire their dedication, but admit JacketFan, there are those prof.s who do minimal work with their students. I had some outstanding profs(the ones who had the “calling”) who I still remember 25 years later, and then I had ones who were worthless and were a waste of a semester(quarter in my day). The difference between a coach and tenured prof., is the bad prof can sit on their behinds and just milk it, while the coach is subject to the real world of perform or you’re done

AltamahaDawg

February 10th, 2010
7:28 am

Surely Professors are like any profession, some work harder for less, some work less for more, but it looks like a pretty good gig to me. And full of great dedicated folks, as are most industries. BUT Leave and double your salary? I doubt that. In fact I doubt that many can even make a lateral move. If it werent for those pesky private sector folks already with those dwindling private sector jobs, I guess so.. Double your retirement too out here? good luck with that.

dawgfan17

February 10th, 2010
7:56 am

As long as they are making a profit and non of the money comes from the general fund then I have no problem with it at all. If we don’t pay to get and retain the best coaches and AD then we will start to suck and no one will come to games and no one will donate money and then we won’t have any of that money at all.

DawgCrazy

February 10th, 2010
7:57 am

Most professors teach very little (a few hours each week) and spend most time either doing consulting or “research” to publish in some obscure journal that no one reads or uses for anything of value.

71 Dawg

February 10th, 2010
8:00 am

Those salaries are probably a bargain in reality. Look at the economic impact of a UGA home football game, not just on Athens and the school, but the entire state of Georgia. People come from all over and they have to buy gas, ice, beverages, food, chairs, awnings, shirts, hats, – do away with all of that and the school might as well shut its doors. Big-time college football is a high-powered economic engine and to keep it running you need to be able to pay for the top coaches available. And that’s the way it is. Michael Adams understands it and that’s why the raise for Evans had to be approved – good investment and it should produce a better return. By the way, take a look at the salaries of some of the top professors at UGA and Ga Tech, the ones that were recruited to come be a part of these institutions – some are $300K and up – if you don’t pay them that, they will leave and take their research grants and prestige with them.

Lee

February 10th, 2010
8:29 am

Need to go with a “pay for performance” style. You can bet your last dollar that AD’s, Coaches and so on would make the moves to win then. You wouldn’t see incompetents like Willie Martinez kept on the payroll for friendship sake. Set a benchmark x amount for 7 wins, 8 wins, 9, wins, 10, wins, bowl trip, bowl win, NC win. Below 7 wins no raise, no bonus. That would wake people up quick!

clemcudtlhopr

February 10th, 2010
8:31 am

I guess i am just jealous, if I would have stayed away from the drugs and booze in college, that money could be mine, now, get your college degree and keep your passion and desire. Gotta go, get in my soup line. STAY IN SCHOOL! TRUST GOD!

Virginia Dog

February 10th, 2010
8:53 am

All of the discussion about whether Evans or the coaches deserve the money they are paid is missing the point. If any of them were paid less would that equate to professors being paid more? No, the money in the Athletic Fund would be used for other purposes. The fact that they are very successful in raising funds accounts for the fact that they are able to donate money to the university to use as they please. Quite frankly, if we paid less, lost many good coaches and administrators to other schools paying more there would be less money in the fund and less opportunity to donate to the University. That is how the free market works and we should embrace it rather than demonizing it.

Just Askin

February 10th, 2010
9:01 am

Why not just have ALL of the revenue generated by the athletics programs
go DIRECTLY to the University, instead of to the
private, Non-Tax Paying corporation called the UGA Athletic Association ??

What could be so wrong about that ??

Joseph Cook

February 10th, 2010
9:14 am

UGA Athletics is a private for-profit corporation. The University of Georgia is a state-funded non-profit university. They are separate entities with separate missions. One’s mission is to educate. The other’s is to turn a profit (among other things).

The funds aren’t just in different pots. They’re holding different kinds of water altogether.

Joseph Cook
Athens, Georgia

Delbert D.

February 10th, 2010
9:19 am

Nope. What could be justified is packing all these super-studs up and sending them to boot camp on the way to Afghanistan.

DirtyDawg

February 10th, 2010
9:30 am

The argument here seems to be that The Marketplace drives these salaries – I agree. Clearly, performance in athletics drives the revenue and decisions and performance by management (CEOs and especially coaches) impacts athletic performance more-so than most organizations. And also clearly, the various ’schools’ at the University benefit greatly from winning athletic teams.

Now if you want to talk about salaries in the State that can’t be justified, let’s talk the Lottery. For years – ever since Zell ‘bought’ Rebecca Paul away from Florida – this bunch has been telling us, and of course our ‘consultants’ familiar with the industry, confirm, this is what you need to pay these folks in order to keep them. Well, first, these consultants are buddy-buddy with the key staffers – understandable since the only thing these staffers have to offer is to know who to go to for the distribution plan and the equipment available to make it all work, aka the ‘consultants’. They tell us that these folks really are important to keeping the lottery revenue up…bull-hockey. All they’re doing is selling crack-cocaine to addicts. ..how tough is that? Plus, the only thing they need is the mechanism to collect the money. So the head makes in the neighborhood of $500,000 annually and recently it was announced that a few million in bonuses would be ‘handed out’ to key staffers. And you can’t tell me that their performance has as much impact on the lottery revenue as the athletics staff has on athletic revenue. OK, maybe you can tell me, but I won’t buy it.

Florida Dawg

February 10th, 2010
9:43 am

Bulldog…looks like you like to play with numbers…why would you short change UGA against Florida when you pointed out all the other wins against other schools for all time records?
You choose ignore the fact that UGA has a better career record against Florida?
If you want to state a case…do it fairly.

JacketFan

February 10th, 2010
9:45 am

DawgCrazy

February 10th, 2010
7:57 am

Most professors teach very little (a few hours each week) and spend most time either doing consulting or “research” to publish in some obscure journal that no one reads or uses for anything of value

Dawg, you ignorant slut. You have no idea what you are talking about. There is a very small percentage “professors” in the system who have that kind of deal. Those who do are developing technologies, theories and perspectives on the very things that drive your “free market economy.”

AltamahaDawg

February 10th, 2010
7:28 am

Surely Professors are like any profession, some work harder for less, some work less for more, but it looks like a pretty good gig to me. And full of great dedicated folks, as are most industries. BUT Leave and double your salary? I doubt that. In fact I doubt that many can even make a lateral move.

No, Altamaha, my degree is in a lucrative field. I choose to teach because that is where my heart is. And I do freelance as a consultant – that money adds up to nearly the same amount I make as a USG employee.

oseph Cook

February 10th, 2010
9:14 am

UGA Athletics is a private for-profit corporation. The University of Georgia is a state-funded non-profit university. They are separate entities with separate missions. One’s mission is to educate. The other’s is to turn a profit (among other things).

The funds aren’t just in different pots. They’re holding different kinds of water altogether.

Joseph Cook
Athens, Georgia

Right you are, sir. However, as I stated earlier, the UGAA needs the University to even exist – the University does not need the UGAA. As far as the economic impact – yes, for Athens-Clarke County, game day is quite a boon, but those weekends don’t directly benefit the University. It’s time UGAA recognizes who butters their toast – no University, no BullDAWG football.

123456789

February 10th, 2010
9:46 am

Mr. Cook: Some facts:

The UGA Athletic Association is a:
Privately owned and controlled, revenue-generating, 501(c)(3) Corporation.
It has its very own Officers, Articles of Incorporation, Federal Tax ID number, etc.
It is OF COURSE a Legal Entity seaprate from the the University.

That 501(c)(3) LEGAL designation means that he UGA-AA is classified as a
NON-PROFIT CORPORATION which means that it is EXEMPT from paying ANY Federal Taxes.

Clarke County Superior Court Judge Lawton Stephens dismissed the Decory Bryant lawsuit against the UGA-AA on the highly-dubious and fradulent technicality stating that Bryant can not sue the UGA-AA because the UGA-AA is (and I quote)…”an arm of the State” and because of that, has protection against lawsuits because of the State’s “Sovereign Immunity.”

So, if the UGA-AA is “an arm of the State” as Judge Stephens so declared in his courtroom,
then ALL RESOURCES belonging to the UGA-AA would in fact be
PROPERTY OF THE STATE OF GEORGIA and available as discretionary State funds
to ALL of the taxpayers in this State.

Dont think the boosters who REALLY run the UGA-AA are gonna see it that way.

So, either……every single UGA fan on this planet and the Federal Government has
UGA-AA legal classification incorrect, or Judge Lawton Stehpens does.

When the case reaches the Appeals Court, the Bryant case is gonna be a LANDMARK legal case,
bigger than the Jan Kemp trial. And just for good measure, the attorney who helped Jan Kemp win a $1,000,000 award from UGA, is also the attorney for Decory Braynt.

Ultimately the UGA-AA will settle with Bryant for $5,000,000+.

dawgnut

February 10th, 2010
9:58 am

why does the AA keep jacking tix prices when they are f-n swimming in money ??

whay did i have to pay almost $10,000 to “buy” into the season tix pool ??

how bout some $$ relief there damon.

sogadawg

February 10th, 2010
9:59 am

who’s decord bryant ?

dawgtired

February 10th, 2010
10:06 am

Salaries of sports coaches and admin are escalating. However, they generate revenue for the athletic department, their employer. The sports program generates “awarness” of UGA across the country. Answer this: What about the professor who writes a text book used in his class, requires the students to buy it and then discontinues the book a year later. The student cannot resell the book at a reduced price to help a cash strapped student. He has to buy the new, improved book from the professor. Is that system fair? Why doesn’t the professor donate his “proceeds” from the book to the scholarship fund?

ga gator

February 10th, 2010
10:22 am

Any person who doesn’t realize how much money college atheletics in general and football specifically bring to a University is just stupid. All top athletic programs pay their own way and that should be the end of the conversation. If the Bull Dawg Athletic association thinks they are getting their moneys worth, that is all that counts because they are paying the bills.

UGAgrad04

February 10th, 2010
10:25 am

It shouldn’t be a surprise that athletics are making more than the academic side of the house, and it shouldn’t surprise anyone that the university doesn’t give a damn about the quality of education it provides for students. The university only cares about one thing: generating money. Athletics generates money. WHY? Because it’s entertainment. Americans love being entertained, which is why professional athletes and actors are paid millions of dollars for what they do. I don’t know why this is such a shocking revelation to everyone. This has only been going on in college athletics for the last oh….I don’t know…50-60 YEARS!!!!

Oh and for the record; I don’t feel sorry for these professors, most of whom get paid $60,000-$80,000 a year to essentially let their TA’s run the class while they perform “valueable reasearch”. There are few people more full of crap than an entitled UGA professor.

Voice of Reason

February 10th, 2010
10:32 am

Let’s just take a short trip down memory to reflect on the immortal words of
Dr. Leroy Ervin, the former Director UGA Developmental Studies Department,
in his recorded description of UGA “student” athletes.

“Now, you talk about [how] these kids are not taught in high school. They aren’t. We try to teach them here, but there is no way to do it. The majority of these kids are black that are coming in, and it kind of rips in at me at the insides, and I take it very, very personal.”

“I know for a fact that these kids would not be here if it were not for their utility to the institution. There is no real sound academic reason for their being here other than to be utilized to produce income. They are used as a kind of raw material in the production of some goods to be sold…and they get nothing in return….”

How do you top that ?

ozzfest

February 10th, 2010
10:42 am

DAMON EVANS LET OKLAHOMA STATE CHARGE UGA SEASON-TICKET HOLDERS $100 PER TICKET FOR THE 2009 GAME IN STILLWATER, AFTER UGA CHARGE OSU $45 PER TICKET TO THE GAME IN ATHENS IN 2007.

IT SEEMS APPARENT THAT MR. EVANS “CASH GRAB” AT THE EXPENSE OF FANS WILL NEVER END. I CHALLENGED HIM ON THIS FACE-TO-FACE OUTSIDE THE STADIUM IN STILLWATER AND HE JUST SHRUGGED.

I GUESS A $500,000 SALARY GIVES HIM THE RIGHT.

Joke of a Reporter

February 10th, 2010
10:44 am

Bill, How many of you clowns at the AJC are making a living writing daily blogs about Georgia or Georgia Tech physics professors? Way to end the article questioning the morality of this issue. Look in the mirror.

JacketFan

February 10th, 2010
10:49 am

UGAgrad”Oh and for the record; I don’t feel sorry for these professors, most of whom get paid $60,000-$80,000 a year to essentially let their TA’s run the class while they perform “valueable reasearch”. There are few people more full of crap than an entitled UGA professor.”

No, my friend, I’m afraid you are misinformed. This is not the case for the majority of profs working in the USG. I teach 4-5 courses per semester. I make $44,000/year as an Assistant Professor. I am full-time, tenure track. However, this year, that salary was cut by furloughs down to about $40,000. I have a PhD. I have four years in the system. I have high performance reviews. And I represent the majority of professors in the USG system. We make less than high school teachers with M.Eds. Stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.

AltamahaDawg

February 10th, 2010
11:00 am

Did they know you were a jacket fan when they hired you? That’s the problem. I think you should have fudged on that part and got a better deal.

UGAgrad04

February 10th, 2010
11:15 am

JacketFan

$44,000-$40,000 huh? Glad to see that all that money spent on a PH.D really paid off. Might I suggest applying to another institution? Or perhaps a different career track? What are the staffers at the UGAA making? Maybe they are hiring! LOL.

Higher education is such a sham. You spend 5-7 years paying off student loans for a degree that barely gets you in the door. Highway robbery as far as I’m concerned. And UGA is worse than most.At UGA you are a total number, a means to an end! Once I got into my major, the courses were fine. But for the most part the professors didn’t give a damn about me, hell probably only 2-3 of them actually knew my name. Loved the town of Athens and loved the football team( especially since they were kicking ass when I was there). But the overall quality of education at UGA leaves a LOT to be desired IMO.

CatsFly

February 10th, 2010
11:54 am

I think UGa has it right. The athletes are very good, give them a larger share of the pie. The students are very average, and deserve less than the athletes.

JacketFan

February 10th, 2010
12:58 pm

UGAgrad
“$44,000-$40,000 huh? Glad to see that all that money spent on a PH.D really paid off. Might I suggest applying to another institution? Or perhaps a different career track? What are the staffers at the UGAA making? Maybe they are hiring! LOL.”

Someone has to do it. If we didn’t you wouldn’t have an education or a job. As far as the degree barely getting you in the door, you’re exactly right. If you want a vocational degree, one that actually does qualify you for a specific job, you should have gone to a Technical College. The University is NOT job training. It’s designed to offer you a certain skill set that can aid you in your pursuit of a career. What you do with that skill set is totally up to you. Students who put their focus on their college education and take extra steps, such as internships, professional conferences, and self-initiated projects, are the ones who really succeed. Those who just “go” to college aren’t going to get much out of the experience. That’s in large part to this “free market” that so many on this blog seem to love. Because of the “free market” jobs that were once on American soil are now outsourced to companies in Europe and Asia. Thanks, free market!

WonderDawg

February 10th, 2010
1:10 pm

Am I the only one who:
1) Is looking forward to the end of the Decory Bryant case so his shyster will get craw back in his lair?
2) Thinks BuLLdawg is insane?

CatsFly

February 10th, 2010
1:27 pm

Going to college can be a waste of time, especially if you don’t come out of college with a solid basis for continued development of newly acquired knowledge/skills for which a clientele exists. For example, accounting, pedagogy (particularly in area of math and sciences), math, science, physics, pre-med, nursing, etc., all offer good opportunities for employment. English, black studies, literature, sociology, history…..although admirable pursuits, I hope you have not taken out student loans to study in these fields. A few will get jobs, perhaps even good jobs, but unfortunately, not too promising. This is why I don’t agree with the premise that everyone should pursue a college degree. For many they would be better off pocketing the tuition and learning a good skill, and reading some good books. Although people who are smart enough to see this, in most cases, will be smart enough to go to college and develop a marketable high-level skill.

NewnanDawg

February 10th, 2010
2:00 pm

Neyland – if you check back here, I was just joking about the grammar

I just love how hypocritical “Jacketfan” is. Quote – Now, I could quit, go into the private sector full time and probably double my salary – most academics could – but, then who would teach “professionals.”

But instead, Jacketfan will just whine and complain all day on a blog (I thought he/she worked all day). Like I said earlier Jacketfan, you knew the income level in the teaching profession going in. Either you love it and the money shouldn’t be important, or you should have chosen another profession. I used to despise my career, but made a lot of money. I changed my lifestyle to be able to do work I love making much less. I’m perfectly happy and I certainly don’t have a problem with anyone that makes more. Grow up, take some personal responsibility for your own decisions and quit complaining.

Go Dawgs!

chemdawg

February 10th, 2010
2:04 pm

Professors get tenure because that’s the only perk to teaching idiot undergrads for a lifetime while also scrounging for research funding. Trust me, those who pursue a Ph.D. don’t do it for the lavish lifestyle. Most do it so they can be involved in meaningful research. Those TA’s you speak of? Your professor was once one of them when he/she was spending the best years of his life working as a slave in graduate school.

JacketFan

February 10th, 2010
2:18 pm

NewnanDog, I’m not complaining about what I make. I love my job – LOVE it. What I don’t love is the absolute disregard for education in this country. The kind of raise AD Evans received coupled with the fact that the TRS investment staff also just awarded themselves a hefty pay increase despite the fact that retirement funds went down this year, is just a slap in the face. I don’t care how much anyone makes, but when an AD gets a raise the same year academic admins and faculty are taking pay cuts, it gets my haunches up.

JacketFan

February 10th, 2010
2:19 pm

chemdawg – Preach on! Preach on! (God, never thought I’d say that I missed graduate school ….)

Kip

February 10th, 2010
2:20 pm

It’s those damn librals who are responsible!

NewnanDawg

February 10th, 2010
2:38 pm

Jacketfan – What Evans makes in no way shows a disregard for education. He simply works in a profession that generates more income and therefore pays higher competitive salaries. Do some companies pay high salaries to people that don’t deserve them? Sure, but if you spend this much time worrying about that instead of enjoying the work you say you love, well I just think it’s a waste of your time. Athletic Association and coaching careers may have a high income ceiling, but the people that reach the top level certainly didn’t get it handed to them on a platter. They were also GAs and lower level assistants making almost nothing for many years. And not only do they work tremendous hours, they have to spend huge amounts of time on the road away from their families in recruiting and away game travel. In addition, many coaches have tremendous impact on their players’ lives. They are often the closest thing to a father some of these athletes ever have. So, while I have plenty of regard for those who choose to teach, don’t think you are the only ones who work hard or have an admirable profession.

CatsFly

February 10th, 2010
3:02 pm

Yea I really want a father who loves me only if I can run 4.3 forty, and after I slow down, makes fun of me in front of 65 teammates. Cause if I can’t perform, he won’t be getting that 2.5 million next year.

Dip Kip

February 10th, 2010
3:12 pm

Attention kool-aid drinking GOP voters……….

WHERE ARE ALL THOSE WMD’s ??????????????????

Minnesota Dawg

February 10th, 2010
3:20 pm

Dip Kip, everyone was asking the same question with Hitler and what did we do? Northing until he created massive havoc on Europe. We stopped a Hitler in Sadam. When will you liberals learn from your history?

Minnesota Dawg

February 10th, 2010
3:29 pm

It’s interesting that we put such pressure on coaches to win the first couple of years that come in and at the same time question their salaries! Win Win Win at all costs is the cry of a lot of people in the Bulldog Nation! Once you get a winner, someone is going to take him away from you with a bigger salary! I’d like to believe that Mark Richt would not be swayed by bigger money. He’s here to stay because money is not his main goal. He wants to develope these kids into something bigger than football. And by the way, He’s a winner to top it off!

AltamahaDawg

February 10th, 2010
3:49 pm

I’ll take “Syrian Underground Bunkers” for 300 Alex.

Kino

February 10th, 2010
5:06 pm

The disparity between the pay of Athletics’s personnel and the academic personnel is sickening. The school, and this nation, have it’s priorities completely fubar’d. I don’t care if the athletics department can afford to pay salaries like this, but if the universities (notice I’m using the plural form, dammit) are cutting back on academic personnel and raising tuitions for the students then there’s an issue with what we, as a society, should hold more important.

The football programs wouldn’t exist without the schools. That’s the simple version.

TechEngineer

February 10th, 2010
5:25 pm

Tech engineering profs make huge money, but do valuable teaching and research that adds a lot of value to business & society, compared to a lot of the BS research that the liberal arts professors do at UGA.

JacketFan

February 10th, 2010
5:42 pm

TechEngineer – way to throw liberal arts under the bus! Liberal arts includes math and science (most Universities have colleges of Arts and Sciences). Apparently you missed that day in class.

MMM

February 10th, 2010
6:50 pm

Now more than ever, American schools are more focused in brewing athletes than preparing young people compete in the global job market. We better start learning Chinese ASAP.

.

February 10th, 2010
7:36 pm

JacketFan….looks like we started something? I was just being a smart azz to nip at ya. I have a ton of respect for you guys! Some of my best Prof s were the ones who came back from the private sector to teach because they were not being fulfilled out there. 25 years later, I still remember my first accounting Prof. who came to UGA from IBM. He was very dynamic, and he actually made accounting interesting, if you can believe that. Dude! I was just messing with ya….sorry looks like this got a little out of control!

JacketFan

February 10th, 2010
10:23 pm

Sorry for being so touchy – it’s been a rough couple of years. Overall, it seems like people have a misconception about what academic life is like – you know, we’re all just sitting back in our cush offices, fending off advances from young, hot coeds and getting paid to do nothing. Or, better yet, we’re a bunch of liberal socialists who want to turn over America to the “commies.” It gets to you after a while … and I’ve only been in for four years! Thanks for the kind word.

DawgsFanInOhio

February 11th, 2010
6:00 am

I view Damon Evans’ salary as the equivalent of a CEOs salary because college sports is really a business enterprise in our current culture. Producing winning teams in a variety of different sports is now a product that most major colleges and universities make a priority, alongside offering a quality education. UGA is no different than the rest of the schools, and I have no problem with his salary. Football, basketball, and baseball are not the only sports programs he manages; in many other types of sports UGA athletes have also excelled.

CatsFly

February 11th, 2010
9:07 am

the real disgrace here is admitting athletes who otherwise would not be admitted if they were not athletes. They are possibly taking the seats of your kids who were just a few SAT points below getting admitted, while the athlete might be 100-150 points below the admissions cut-off. This goes on everywhere, and is worse at some places than at others. Real student-athletes are few and far between, especially at schools like Duke, UVa, UNC, where admission is extremely fierce. I bet that there are not a handfull of football players at those schools who would have otherwise been admitted.

Da'Freak

February 11th, 2010
9:24 am

1) Damon should apply as an assistant coach and get some real $$$$
2)Do what I did get in the back pocket of my Sugar Daddy Mike Nance cause it pays well and we get the UT HO-tesses

JacketFan

February 11th, 2010
10:05 am

Okay – here’s the question no one has seemed to really answer yet. What has Evans done? I don’t see a MNC in football or basketball. I don’t see a World Series. Sure, the GymDawgs are doing great, but that program was elite LONG before AD Evans arrived on the scene. What, exactly, has he done to improve Athletics at UGA? The football team just came off it’s worst season in a decade. In the previous year, they fell far below some pretty high expectations – expectations set by national media types who saw a team LOADED with talent and strong coaching. Okay, so he hired Mark Fox … UGA just lost to Auburn last night by double digits, keeping Fox and the Dawgs right at .500. I just don’t see what this AD has done to warrant a $90,000 raise. I mean, had UGA even won the SEC and gone to a BCS bowl – as they have done a handful of times over the last decade – I could see reason for a pay increase. But, he’s done nothing above or beyond what has been the status quo at UGA for the last ten years. Can someone help me out here?

JacketFan

February 11th, 2010
10:07 am

crap – ITS not IT’S (god knows I don’t want the UGA blogger grammar police on my butt).

K

February 11th, 2010
10:22 am

Jona… A University System of Georgia Faculty Member doesn’t neccesarily mean UGA…all of the public Colleges and Universities are a part of the University System of Georgia including Tech, GA State, and Georgia Perimeter to name a few!

Georgia Tech For Like

February 11th, 2010
12:00 pm

HI, IM A STUPID UGA FAN. I NEVER WENT TO COLLEGE, BUT I LOOOOOVE GEORGIA FOOTBALL. HELL, I NEVER WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT. IM A DUMB REDNECK AND THINK MY SISTER’S HOT. I LIKE IT WHEN WE’RE RANKED #1 IN THE COUNTRY, BECAUSE WE MAKE FOOLS OUT OF OUR SELFS AND EVERYONE MAKES FUN OF US ON ESPN.

Mentalist T

February 11th, 2010
12:08 pm

90% of the football players at UGA, Tech or other big college programs would not be admitted under normal admission rules. But they admit them under special rules, stick them in special mickey mouse classes and somehow keep them eligible. Just win baby!!!!

Rodster

February 11th, 2010
1:15 pm

Wow, I know those salaries are very high but on the other hand the AD and at least the football coaches are essentially revenue producing entities. So their compensation cannot really be compared with other employees at the University. Our scale of priorities is seriously out of whack given that some athletic programs can generate such revenue, but that’s antoher topic.

Lisa T.

February 11th, 2010
1:58 pm

The best quote from this article is “I wish the general public was as excited about a physics professor as they are about a football coordinator, but we don’t seem to be in that market right now.” Exactly. So until that changes (which it won’t), things will stay the same. Revenue earned = compensation given. Anyone who has a problem with should consider the last time they paid for an athletic event ticket, versus the last time they made a donation to the UGA foundation (for academic support). Hmmm…

Raining Dawgs

February 11th, 2010
2:21 pm

You would think if Michael Adams wants to pay the average salary for an athletic director position, then he should pay all athletic personnel the average salary in the conference. If you do your research, the athletic association pays their little people well below the average salary in the SEC. I know my position is…

chuck

February 11th, 2010
3:29 pm

Let’s see some CHAMPIONSHIPS, Damon–MAJOR sport championships. Then this ludicrous salary may have even a small element of justification.

BuLLdawg

February 11th, 2010
7:24 pm

Turner Field 5-7 Georgia tek Lost again 12 May 2009.

Then

Bounced from Tournament by Southern Mississippi Rusty Old Chandler Stadium

3 College World Series Appearances, 0 National Titles, Georgia tek.

6 College World Series Appearances, 1 National Title, UGA Diamond Dawgs

47-28 UGA Diamond Dawgs in The NCAA Baseball Tournament

195-148-2 UGA Diamond Dawgs over Georgia tek in Baseball All-Time.

We own your butts in this sport too.

1-6 Georgia tek is against UGA Diamond Dawgs at Turner Field

This coming season, as in every other sport, UGA’s Diamond Dawgs feature the

SoS # 8 UGA

SoS # 35 Georgia tek

Georgia tek always plays nothing but cupcakes, and then wonders why it cannot beat UGA

CatsFly

February 11th, 2010
7:47 pm

BuLLdawg, you just don’t get it.

JacketFan

February 11th, 2010
10:04 pm

Um, BuLLdawg, I think you’re on the wrong blog …

BuLLdawg

February 12th, 2010
3:27 am

Heaven Forbid we should let the AJ-C once again this year tell us how great Georgia tek is in Baseball, and no one allowed to tell the truth once again that UGA utterly destroys Georgia tek in Baseball, too, at

195-48-2 UGA Diamond Dawgs over Georgia tek in Baseball

6-1 UGA Diamond Dawgs over Georgia tek in Baseball at Turner Field

6 College World Series UGA only 3 Georgia tek

# 8 UGA Strength of Schedule in Baseball

# 35 Georgia tek Strength of Schedule in Baseball.

Why should we be allowed to instead tell the AJ-C that their hogwash about Georgia tek Baseball is all a damn LIE.

BuLLdawg

February 12th, 2010
3:28 am

OldDawg

February 12th, 2010
6:28 am

Bill, late on this one…but If I may..let me answer your question with a question.

If you wer CEO of a comapny with an annual budget of say 85 million dollars…and you company showed a profit of shall we say conservatively 30 to 35 million dollars, would you consider a raise of the same proportion, would you consider it to be “out of line”?

Geez

February 12th, 2010
8:23 am

Are you only writing a couple of blogs a week now? Most fans rely on the bloggers as much, if not moreso, during the “off-season” as during actual football season. I guess you see it differently.

ugaaccountant

February 12th, 2010
8:40 am

Jacketfan – I know you meant this to be a smart a** comment, but i’ll answer your question briefly. This raise is for a 5 year period, and thus it’s a modest raise. So when it came time to decide if he was worth a raise, it looked to his whole track record as AD. Since Damon Evans took over he has increased overall athletics revenue, increased the net profit, and maintained excellent quality programs in all sports. He doesn’t just ignore the “lesser” sports, he oversees a program all UGA grads can be proud of. I am extremely pleased to see this man staying another 5 years.

And how dare you tell BuLLdawg he’s on the wrong blog. It’s extremely relevant to point out all the accomplishments that we’ve had in the Evans era. Baseball is just one of many sports in which we’re thriving.

ugaaccountant

February 12th, 2010
9:08 am

chuck

February 11th, 2010
3:29 pm
Let’s see some CHAMPIONSHIPS, Damon–MAJOR sport championships. Then this ludicrous salary may have even a small element of justification.

Chuck, you ignorant blowhard, he’s being paid in the middle of the SEC’s ADs. Thus to justify his salary he needs to ocassionally win an SEC title in any sport. Mission more than accomplished.

John Doe

February 12th, 2010
9:28 pm

Money’s not this issue here. this guy is where he is because vince dooley had to be given some kind of reward for being fired. and damon evans fell into a rose garden. hah! hawking uga visa cards and telling people not to hit one another. if his name was david evans he would be on the street now.

chazzo

February 13th, 2010
10:15 am

Joe Hendrix

February 13th, 2010
11:57 am

You guys do all you can to bring georgia down. Example for two days you run story on internet head lines on fronts page UGA player arrested on hit and run you never say any thing good about georgia you talk bad about coach richt. YOU HAVE NOT LEARNED IF YOU CAN NOT SAY SOMETHING GOOD ABOUT SOMEBODY KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.

Camden Mark

February 13th, 2010
8:29 pm

Football is self supporting,along with supporting all the other sports.
Thats where the money comes from and in my opinion should stay.Get the best coaches,pay them what the market demands and win FB games.
To hell with the academics,etc.,jealous whiners

Wreckmaniac

February 14th, 2010
12:03 pm

It sounds as if the AA is so disassociated from the school that it should take on another name, maybe the Bulldawg Club, and let the school develop its own atheletic program.

Wreckmaniac

February 14th, 2010
12:05 pm

UGA is actually known as a baseball and gymnastics school. At one time it was known as a tennis school but thats over.

Wreckmaniac

February 14th, 2010
12:11 pm

CATS-FLY: You nailed it. Why does Duke graduate all of its players and why do they stay 4 years ? Its Coach K’s program. He knows he selling not only the best basketball brand but the best education brand and he doesen’t let one take precedent over the other.
Subjugating these academically inadequate young men who end up with no degree (over50%) in many cases should be outlawed. This is criminal. If winning a nat champ is the goal then set up a semi-pro league.

WE RUIN THIS STATE

February 14th, 2010
12:13 pm

JOE HENDRIX: What is there to compliment ?

Wreckmaniac

February 14th, 2010
12:17 pm

At a time of revenue shortfall (9% reduction in GA) the major universities should be reorgainzed so that they are efficient.
Science, math, engineering and business should be taught at Tech
only. Let UGA handle the other stuff. Why teach physics at UGA
anyway ?

Hate UGA

February 15th, 2010
12:24 pm

UGA has become a farce – When people have had enough, there’ll be no more donations to the fund!

Dawg to Task

February 16th, 2010
4:40 pm

Pay whatever it takes to get the best—winning is all that matters! UGA has plenty of cash to pay the top salaries for the asst coaches—just win baby and everything else falls into place.

GatorJimBob

February 20th, 2010
6:18 am

at the end of the day, does it really matter?… just more gator-bait!

Mable Dawg

February 20th, 2010
9:22 pm

Georgia’s loaded with cash! $85 mil last year alone—pay top dollar and hire the best!!!!