Can surging athletics salaries at UGA be justified?

Damon Evans' pay raises difficult questions for some in the UGA community. (Curtis Compton / AJC}

Damon Evans' pay raises difficult questions for some in the UGA community. (Curtis Compton / AJC}

It’s interesting the way folks react to the ever-escalating salaries in college athletics. UGA signs a new defensive coordinator for a whopping $750,000 and hardly anyone blinks. In fact, for some fans of the Dogs it became a sort of point of pride that the deal made Todd Grantham the third-highest paid assistant in the nation. Plus everyone knows UGA’s athletic association is one of the most profitable in the country, so they could afford to pay top dollar.

But Damon Evans, UGA’s athletics director, gets a $90,000 raise in his new five-year contract last week, going from his current $460,000 to $550,000 (with $20,000 annual hikes and a $250,000 longevity bonus built in) and UGA President Michael Adams, who also chairs the athletics board, feels it necessary to defend the move at his monthly news briefing.

Coaches are one thing, I guess, while administrators are viewed differently. And professors are something else again, unfortunately.

Part of the problem with all this spending on the athletics side is that professors and other university workers aren’t getting any raises. Adams acknowledged that renewing Evans’ contract “didn’t fall at the most opportune time.” But he still maintained “it was the right thing to do.”
Adams noted that “the average salary for an AD in the Southeastern Conference is now $532,000 a year, so we’re simply going to be pretty much in line with the rest of our competitors.”

A good point. But some critics just can’t get past the disparity, even though the money going to Evans and other athletic association employees doesn’t come out of the same pot that pays the university’s professors and other workers.

Letter writer Brenda A. Poss conceded in Sunday’s Athens Banner-Herald that Evans’ pay from the UGA athletic association comes from a “different funding source,” but was still “astounded that anyone at UGA needs to receive a raise of $90,000 for a yearly salary of $550,000. Do the math, and you’ll discover that comes out to $1506.85 per day and $45,833 per month. One day of that salary would buy health insurance for someone who can’t afford it. One month of that salary would fund two or three support positions at UGA. In short, it is an excessive amount of money to be paid to anyone for any job under our current conditions.”

Poss asked: “Where are the good will and conscience of the University of Georgia, its athletic association and its athletic boosters? In the midst of a financial crisis, how can this be justified? And if such funds exist, how can our state’s flagship institution justify continuing to cut faculty positions, reducing operating budgets and raising tuition? It is time for a fairer division of the available funds, regardless of their source. It is time to do the right thing.”

In other words, if UGA athletics generates millions, shouldn’t it be the university and its students who benefit, not the coaches and athletics administrators?

Adams noted that the “divergence of athletic salaries relative to academic salaries is the real issue” and said, “I’m concerned long-term about the impact on the academic environment as the disparity between substantial raises in athletics versus no raises in academics becomes more and more pronounced.”

The way things are going in college athletics salaries “is a pace that I don’t think can be retained,” he said. “I don’t think it should be. But we are in a market and we are in a league where we feel the need to be competitive.”

He pointed out that last year the athletic association’s board voted to give $2 million a year to an academic fund that the UGA president controls. And there’s a possibility that athletics could contribute more to academics, he said.

“I don’t think we want to get to the point where we have a wealthy athletic program and a poor university, so long-term I think we’re going to have to take a look at the whole relationship between academic spending and athletic spending,” he said. “This is a nationwide challenge at the Division I-A level. I wish the general public was as excited about a physics professor as they are about a football coordinator, but we don’t seem to be in that market right now.”

Let’s face  it, chances are we never will be. Movie stars make lots more money than researchers battling disease. And while the work faculty members do undoubtedly is more important to the core mission of the state’s flagship university, what happens on the field of Sanford Stadium not only brings in a ton of money to the athletic association, it generates a level of awareness and good will and a sense of identity for UGA in terms of the general public that signing a top physics researcher never could do.

Is there something basically wrong with that picture, or is that just the way it works?

344 comments Add your comment

Rich

February 9th, 2010
9:26 pm

Jacket Fan – We all respect the professors, but they are it is about pay. Coaches are respected while winning, professors are respected for knowledge. Knowledge is far more important, winning is temporary.

AltamahaDawg

February 9th, 2010
9:53 pm

Rich, wouldn’t drivers education be more of a Dad’s responsibility than an athletic director’s?

Gen Neyland

February 9th, 2010
10:00 pm

NewnanDawg : Thanks, I think…Ahh, but’s it’s the blogosphere and grammer isn’t graded here. Or is it..?

JacketFan

February 9th, 2010
10:11 pm

[quote] ou know, those Professors that never show up to teach, but have the GAs do the dirty work so they can concentrate on their “research projects” and thought provoking books. You know, wink wink, hush hush, shhhhhhhhh! [quote]

Whoever wrote this is retarded. I teach 15-18 credit hours per semester. I have no GAs teaching anything – most “professors” don’t have GAs. Departments have GAs that teach lower division undergraduate classes. The majority of academics in this state – those who teach at the 25+ state colleges – work with as many as 175 students every SEMESTER. On top of that we are active in community service, professional development and administrative duties that revolve around improving the academic environment for our students and ensure we are providing them a relevant, enriching education. You know what we get paid? Less than high school teachers with less education – because, guess what, we don’t have unions.

And, yes, there are professors who teach at Universities and who spend a minimal amount of time in the classroom and devote most of their time to research, Research like, oh, I don’t know, cost-saving technology for industry, cures for terminal diseases, new approaches to development, better understanding of complex economic principles – you know, the stuff that makes the world move forward.

And some of us, like myself, are supplementing our low pay by freelancing in the private sector. I work ALL DAY. I teach classes during the day, do work for a private company in the afternoon and teach an online class for a for-profit university so that I can take care of my family. Now, I could quit, go into the private sector full time and probably double my salary – most academics could – but, then who would teach “professionals.”

As to the whole argument about the Athletic Association v/s the University. That was a move made by the trustees. Not the state. Again, a president with some balls could change that dynamic and do the RIGHT thing and re-establish the focus of the University on academics rather than football.

JacketFan

February 9th, 2010
10:15 pm

Oh, and AthDog, $2 million for a university the size of UGA is a drop in the bucket, my friend. Hell, that’s not even half of the annual budget for USG’s smallest state schools (think, Gordon College or Waycross College).

Florida Dawg

February 9th, 2010
10:38 pm

It’s easy to pay someone a lot of money if they are not using their personal money. The more you pay the coaches, the more the AD and Pres makes…right?

Marcel Ledbetter

February 9th, 2010
10:54 pm

1eyedJack, your ‘figured out” resources, population control, and education is as stable now as it was for the Greeks, Romans, Persians, and Aztecs at their peak as it was at their destruction. One dollar a day…search for real hope and stability outside of money.

BuLLdawg

February 9th, 2010
11:03 pm

You missed the point all together, as always Bill King.

Professors, get back with me when you get UGA ranked Number 34 in the U.S. News and World Report Rankings.

Damon Evans, I would not have come out so against handing you $3.5 million dollars, and that is what this is all about exactly, if you spent $750,000 a year on an Offensive Coordinator for that woebegone staff on Offense compiled by the same coach who hired the 3 he just fired and who defended their hiring every day for all these years. Likewise, I hold it against Damon Evans that you do not build us an Indoor Practice Facility. And, that you do not build us a gym, to replace that Cow Palace, the Stegosaurus.

Michael F. Adam$, while we are on the topic we also do not like the way you waste money on $1,700 dinners with no one there but your wife and 2 cronies of yours. You have no right to look into anything about how much money we make taking up donations for Athletics. If you were not such a BH, we would get back to donating to The University of Georgia. Perhaps you think I will anyway, after you have stayed at my University now for so damn long. Like I will forget. Forget Hell. Remember the Sugar Bowl Welcome we all gave you and your lovely wife Michael F. Adam$ ?

Not one penny. Now, leave so we can get on with Our University.

Let’s be real.

This “ad” is about a group of Bible Thumpers who insist that no woman has any right whatsoever to make up her own mind.

Pam had that right.

So too does everyone else.

Pam and Tim have no business telling everyone else that they should have NO CHOICE.

BuLLdawg

February 10th, 2010
1:05 am

“Fans of many schools believe it’s their right to win in The SEC: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, and Tennessee. 6 teams that have a right to win in The SEC.”

That is complete hogwash.

The Georgia Bulldogs are :

25-36-4 vs Alabama

52-53-8 vs Auburn

3-17 last 2 decades vs Florida

12-14-1 vs LSU

16-21-2 vs Tennessee

None of the teams you just listed are teams we have a winning record against all-time, except for Florida, which once stood at 44-22-2 and now is 47-39-2.

We really do not beat the good teams, sorry. And, worse yet, we lose in just inexplicable losses to sorry teams once a year too.

In the Coach Richt Era, we are 3-8 in the 11 games we have played against what ended up being Top 10 SEC Final AP Poll teams.

In the Coach Richt Era, we are 17-19 vs the Top 25 Final AP Poll teams.

In the Coach Richt Era, we have lost 8 times in 9 years against teams Unranked at all in the Final AP Poll Top 25.

Get over yourself. We are not who you say we are.

What we need is an 11-year NFL Veteran as Offensive Coordinator, which is painfully obvious from the failings of getting Offensive Recruits this year while we got all these great Defensive Coaches and just signed all these great defensive recruits.

GATA

February 10th, 2010
1:06 am

Don’t stop with Physics Professor’s. How about the Janitors? Why is a Physics Professor worth more money than an employee that protects the health of the students by keeping bathrooms sanitary?

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Creoledawg

February 10th, 2010
6:37 am

It’s the price we have to pay to win and if it takes more to win the national championship, so be it.

Smittie

February 10th, 2010
6:38 am

The AD has it’s own funding and budgets. Face it the professors have a good gig with a work schedules and student assistants help that private business employees can only dream about. AD and Coaches salaries only matter in the market place. Poss wants what is fair. How does she define it? Who would be the fairness police? Is she willing to give up part of her pay to be fair to someone making less?

.

February 10th, 2010
7:06 am

“Now, I could quit, go into the private sector full time and probably double my salary – most academics could –” because a lot (not all) are scared to, and want to remain in their insulated cocoons. Some do have a “calling” to make a difference and totally admire their dedication, but admit JacketFan, there are those prof.s who do minimal work with their students. I had some outstanding profs(the ones who had the “calling”) who I still remember 25 years later, and then I had ones who were worthless and were a waste of a semester(quarter in my day). The difference between a coach and tenured prof., is the bad prof can sit on their behinds and just milk it, while the coach is subject to the real world of perform or you’re done

AltamahaDawg

February 10th, 2010
7:28 am

Surely Professors are like any profession, some work harder for less, some work less for more, but it looks like a pretty good gig to me. And full of great dedicated folks, as are most industries. BUT Leave and double your salary? I doubt that. In fact I doubt that many can even make a lateral move. If it werent for those pesky private sector folks already with those dwindling private sector jobs, I guess so.. Double your retirement too out here? good luck with that.

dawgfan17

February 10th, 2010
7:56 am

As long as they are making a profit and non of the money comes from the general fund then I have no problem with it at all. If we don’t pay to get and retain the best coaches and AD then we will start to suck and no one will come to games and no one will donate money and then we won’t have any of that money at all.

DawgCrazy

February 10th, 2010
7:57 am

Most professors teach very little (a few hours each week) and spend most time either doing consulting or “research” to publish in some obscure journal that no one reads or uses for anything of value.

71 Dawg

February 10th, 2010
8:00 am

Those salaries are probably a bargain in reality. Look at the economic impact of a UGA home football game, not just on Athens and the school, but the entire state of Georgia. People come from all over and they have to buy gas, ice, beverages, food, chairs, awnings, shirts, hats, – do away with all of that and the school might as well shut its doors. Big-time college football is a high-powered economic engine and to keep it running you need to be able to pay for the top coaches available. And that’s the way it is. Michael Adams understands it and that’s why the raise for Evans had to be approved – good investment and it should produce a better return. By the way, take a look at the salaries of some of the top professors at UGA and Ga Tech, the ones that were recruited to come be a part of these institutions – some are $300K and up – if you don’t pay them that, they will leave and take their research grants and prestige with them.

Lee

February 10th, 2010
8:29 am

Need to go with a “pay for performance” style. You can bet your last dollar that AD’s, Coaches and so on would make the moves to win then. You wouldn’t see incompetents like Willie Martinez kept on the payroll for friendship sake. Set a benchmark x amount for 7 wins, 8 wins, 9, wins, 10, wins, bowl trip, bowl win, NC win. Below 7 wins no raise, no bonus. That would wake people up quick!

clemcudtlhopr

February 10th, 2010
8:31 am

I guess i am just jealous, if I would have stayed away from the drugs and booze in college, that money could be mine, now, get your college degree and keep your passion and desire. Gotta go, get in my soup line. STAY IN SCHOOL! TRUST GOD!

Virginia Dog

February 10th, 2010
8:53 am

All of the discussion about whether Evans or the coaches deserve the money they are paid is missing the point. If any of them were paid less would that equate to professors being paid more? No, the money in the Athletic Fund would be used for other purposes. The fact that they are very successful in raising funds accounts for the fact that they are able to donate money to the university to use as they please. Quite frankly, if we paid less, lost many good coaches and administrators to other schools paying more there would be less money in the fund and less opportunity to donate to the University. That is how the free market works and we should embrace it rather than demonizing it.

Just Askin

February 10th, 2010
9:01 am

Why not just have ALL of the revenue generated by the athletics programs
go DIRECTLY to the University, instead of to the
private, Non-Tax Paying corporation called the UGA Athletic Association ??

What could be so wrong about that ??

Joseph Cook

February 10th, 2010
9:14 am

UGA Athletics is a private for-profit corporation. The University of Georgia is a state-funded non-profit university. They are separate entities with separate missions. One’s mission is to educate. The other’s is to turn a profit (among other things).

The funds aren’t just in different pots. They’re holding different kinds of water altogether.

Joseph Cook
Athens, Georgia

Delbert D.

February 10th, 2010
9:19 am

Nope. What could be justified is packing all these super-studs up and sending them to boot camp on the way to Afghanistan.

DirtyDawg

February 10th, 2010
9:30 am

The argument here seems to be that The Marketplace drives these salaries – I agree. Clearly, performance in athletics drives the revenue and decisions and performance by management (CEOs and especially coaches) impacts athletic performance more-so than most organizations. And also clearly, the various ’schools’ at the University benefit greatly from winning athletic teams.

Now if you want to talk about salaries in the State that can’t be justified, let’s talk the Lottery. For years – ever since Zell ‘bought’ Rebecca Paul away from Florida – this bunch has been telling us, and of course our ‘consultants’ familiar with the industry, confirm, this is what you need to pay these folks in order to keep them. Well, first, these consultants are buddy-buddy with the key staffers – understandable since the only thing these staffers have to offer is to know who to go to for the distribution plan and the equipment available to make it all work, aka the ‘consultants’. They tell us that these folks really are important to keeping the lottery revenue up…bull-hockey. All they’re doing is selling crack-cocaine to addicts. ..how tough is that? Plus, the only thing they need is the mechanism to collect the money. So the head makes in the neighborhood of $500,000 annually and recently it was announced that a few million in bonuses would be ‘handed out’ to key staffers. And you can’t tell me that their performance has as much impact on the lottery revenue as the athletics staff has on athletic revenue. OK, maybe you can tell me, but I won’t buy it.

Florida Dawg

February 10th, 2010
9:43 am

Bulldog…looks like you like to play with numbers…why would you short change UGA against Florida when you pointed out all the other wins against other schools for all time records?
You choose ignore the fact that UGA has a better career record against Florida?
If you want to state a case…do it fairly.

JacketFan

February 10th, 2010
9:45 am

DawgCrazy

February 10th, 2010
7:57 am

Most professors teach very little (a few hours each week) and spend most time either doing consulting or “research” to publish in some obscure journal that no one reads or uses for anything of value

Dawg, you ignorant slut. You have no idea what you are talking about. There is a very small percentage “professors” in the system who have that kind of deal. Those who do are developing technologies, theories and perspectives on the very things that drive your “free market economy.”

AltamahaDawg

February 10th, 2010
7:28 am

Surely Professors are like any profession, some work harder for less, some work less for more, but it looks like a pretty good gig to me. And full of great dedicated folks, as are most industries. BUT Leave and double your salary? I doubt that. In fact I doubt that many can even make a lateral move.

No, Altamaha, my degree is in a lucrative field. I choose to teach because that is where my heart is. And I do freelance as a consultant – that money adds up to nearly the same amount I make as a USG employee.

oseph Cook

February 10th, 2010
9:14 am

UGA Athletics is a private for-profit corporation. The University of Georgia is a state-funded non-profit university. They are separate entities with separate missions. One’s mission is to educate. The other’s is to turn a profit (among other things).

The funds aren’t just in different pots. They’re holding different kinds of water altogether.

Joseph Cook
Athens, Georgia

Right you are, sir. However, as I stated earlier, the UGAA needs the University to even exist – the University does not need the UGAA. As far as the economic impact – yes, for Athens-Clarke County, game day is quite a boon, but those weekends don’t directly benefit the University. It’s time UGAA recognizes who butters their toast – no University, no BullDAWG football.

123456789

February 10th, 2010
9:46 am

Mr. Cook: Some facts:

The UGA Athletic Association is a:
Privately owned and controlled, revenue-generating, 501(c)(3) Corporation.
It has its very own Officers, Articles of Incorporation, Federal Tax ID number, etc.
It is OF COURSE a Legal Entity seaprate from the the University.

That 501(c)(3) LEGAL designation means that he UGA-AA is classified as a
NON-PROFIT CORPORATION which means that it is EXEMPT from paying ANY Federal Taxes.

Clarke County Superior Court Judge Lawton Stephens dismissed the Decory Bryant lawsuit against the UGA-AA on the highly-dubious and fradulent technicality stating that Bryant can not sue the UGA-AA because the UGA-AA is (and I quote)…”an arm of the State” and because of that, has protection against lawsuits because of the State’s “Sovereign Immunity.”

So, if the UGA-AA is “an arm of the State” as Judge Stephens so declared in his courtroom,
then ALL RESOURCES belonging to the UGA-AA would in fact be
PROPERTY OF THE STATE OF GEORGIA and available as discretionary State funds
to ALL of the taxpayers in this State.

Dont think the boosters who REALLY run the UGA-AA are gonna see it that way.

So, either……every single UGA fan on this planet and the Federal Government has
UGA-AA legal classification incorrect, or Judge Lawton Stehpens does.

When the case reaches the Appeals Court, the Bryant case is gonna be a LANDMARK legal case,
bigger than the Jan Kemp trial. And just for good measure, the attorney who helped Jan Kemp win a $1,000,000 award from UGA, is also the attorney for Decory Braynt.

Ultimately the UGA-AA will settle with Bryant for $5,000,000+.

dawgnut

February 10th, 2010
9:58 am

why does the AA keep jacking tix prices when they are f-n swimming in money ??

whay did i have to pay almost $10,000 to “buy” into the season tix pool ??

how bout some $$ relief there damon.

sogadawg

February 10th, 2010
9:59 am

who’s decord bryant ?

dawgtired

February 10th, 2010
10:06 am

Salaries of sports coaches and admin are escalating. However, they generate revenue for the athletic department, their employer. The sports program generates “awarness” of UGA across the country. Answer this: What about the professor who writes a text book used in his class, requires the students to buy it and then discontinues the book a year later. The student cannot resell the book at a reduced price to help a cash strapped student. He has to buy the new, improved book from the professor. Is that system fair? Why doesn’t the professor donate his “proceeds” from the book to the scholarship fund?

ga gator

February 10th, 2010
10:22 am

Any person who doesn’t realize how much money college atheletics in general and football specifically bring to a University is just stupid. All top athletic programs pay their own way and that should be the end of the conversation. If the Bull Dawg Athletic association thinks they are getting their moneys worth, that is all that counts because they are paying the bills.

UGAgrad04

February 10th, 2010
10:25 am

It shouldn’t be a surprise that athletics are making more than the academic side of the house, and it shouldn’t surprise anyone that the university doesn’t give a damn about the quality of education it provides for students. The university only cares about one thing: generating money. Athletics generates money. WHY? Because it’s entertainment. Americans love being entertained, which is why professional athletes and actors are paid millions of dollars for what they do. I don’t know why this is such a shocking revelation to everyone. This has only been going on in college athletics for the last oh….I don’t know…50-60 YEARS!!!!

Oh and for the record; I don’t feel sorry for these professors, most of whom get paid $60,000-$80,000 a year to essentially let their TA’s run the class while they perform “valueable reasearch”. There are few people more full of crap than an entitled UGA professor.

Voice of Reason

February 10th, 2010
10:32 am

Let’s just take a short trip down memory to reflect on the immortal words of
Dr. Leroy Ervin, the former Director UGA Developmental Studies Department,
in his recorded description of UGA “student” athletes.

“Now, you talk about [how] these kids are not taught in high school. They aren’t. We try to teach them here, but there is no way to do it. The majority of these kids are black that are coming in, and it kind of rips in at me at the insides, and I take it very, very personal.”

“I know for a fact that these kids would not be here if it were not for their utility to the institution. There is no real sound academic reason for their being here other than to be utilized to produce income. They are used as a kind of raw material in the production of some goods to be sold…and they get nothing in return….”

How do you top that ?

ozzfest

February 10th, 2010
10:42 am

DAMON EVANS LET OKLAHOMA STATE CHARGE UGA SEASON-TICKET HOLDERS $100 PER TICKET FOR THE 2009 GAME IN STILLWATER, AFTER UGA CHARGE OSU $45 PER TICKET TO THE GAME IN ATHENS IN 2007.

IT SEEMS APPARENT THAT MR. EVANS “CASH GRAB” AT THE EXPENSE OF FANS WILL NEVER END. I CHALLENGED HIM ON THIS FACE-TO-FACE OUTSIDE THE STADIUM IN STILLWATER AND HE JUST SHRUGGED.

I GUESS A $500,000 SALARY GIVES HIM THE RIGHT.

Joke of a Reporter

February 10th, 2010
10:44 am

Bill, How many of you clowns at the AJC are making a living writing daily blogs about Georgia or Georgia Tech physics professors? Way to end the article questioning the morality of this issue. Look in the mirror.

JacketFan

February 10th, 2010
10:49 am

UGAgrad”Oh and for the record; I don’t feel sorry for these professors, most of whom get paid $60,000-$80,000 a year to essentially let their TA’s run the class while they perform “valueable reasearch”. There are few people more full of crap than an entitled UGA professor.”

No, my friend, I’m afraid you are misinformed. This is not the case for the majority of profs working in the USG. I teach 4-5 courses per semester. I make $44,000/year as an Assistant Professor. I am full-time, tenure track. However, this year, that salary was cut by furloughs down to about $40,000. I have a PhD. I have four years in the system. I have high performance reviews. And I represent the majority of professors in the USG system. We make less than high school teachers with M.Eds. Stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.

AltamahaDawg

February 10th, 2010
11:00 am

Did they know you were a jacket fan when they hired you? That’s the problem. I think you should have fudged on that part and got a better deal.

UGAgrad04

February 10th, 2010
11:15 am

JacketFan

$44,000-$40,000 huh? Glad to see that all that money spent on a PH.D really paid off. Might I suggest applying to another institution? Or perhaps a different career track? What are the staffers at the UGAA making? Maybe they are hiring! LOL.

Higher education is such a sham. You spend 5-7 years paying off student loans for a degree that barely gets you in the door. Highway robbery as far as I’m concerned. And UGA is worse than most.At UGA you are a total number, a means to an end! Once I got into my major, the courses were fine. But for the most part the professors didn’t give a damn about me, hell probably only 2-3 of them actually knew my name. Loved the town of Athens and loved the football team( especially since they were kicking ass when I was there). But the overall quality of education at UGA leaves a LOT to be desired IMO.

CatsFly

February 10th, 2010
11:54 am

I think UGa has it right. The athletes are very good, give them a larger share of the pie. The students are very average, and deserve less than the athletes.

JacketFan

February 10th, 2010
12:58 pm

UGAgrad
“$44,000-$40,000 huh? Glad to see that all that money spent on a PH.D really paid off. Might I suggest applying to another institution? Or perhaps a different career track? What are the staffers at the UGAA making? Maybe they are hiring! LOL.”

Someone has to do it. If we didn’t you wouldn’t have an education or a job. As far as the degree barely getting you in the door, you’re exactly right. If you want a vocational degree, one that actually does qualify you for a specific job, you should have gone to a Technical College. The University is NOT job training. It’s designed to offer you a certain skill set that can aid you in your pursuit of a career. What you do with that skill set is totally up to you. Students who put their focus on their college education and take extra steps, such as internships, professional conferences, and self-initiated projects, are the ones who really succeed. Those who just “go” to college aren’t going to get much out of the experience. That’s in large part to this “free market” that so many on this blog seem to love. Because of the “free market” jobs that were once on American soil are now outsourced to companies in Europe and Asia. Thanks, free market!

WonderDawg

February 10th, 2010
1:10 pm

Am I the only one who:
1) Is looking forward to the end of the Decory Bryant case so his shyster will get craw back in his lair?
2) Thinks BuLLdawg is insane?

CatsFly

February 10th, 2010
1:27 pm

Going to college can be a waste of time, especially if you don’t come out of college with a solid basis for continued development of newly acquired knowledge/skills for which a clientele exists. For example, accounting, pedagogy (particularly in area of math and sciences), math, science, physics, pre-med, nursing, etc., all offer good opportunities for employment. English, black studies, literature, sociology, history…..although admirable pursuits, I hope you have not taken out student loans to study in these fields. A few will get jobs, perhaps even good jobs, but unfortunately, not too promising. This is why I don’t agree with the premise that everyone should pursue a college degree. For many they would be better off pocketing the tuition and learning a good skill, and reading some good books. Although people who are smart enough to see this, in most cases, will be smart enough to go to college and develop a marketable high-level skill.

NewnanDawg

February 10th, 2010
2:00 pm

Neyland – if you check back here, I was just joking about the grammar

I just love how hypocritical “Jacketfan” is. Quote – Now, I could quit, go into the private sector full time and probably double my salary – most academics could – but, then who would teach “professionals.”

But instead, Jacketfan will just whine and complain all day on a blog (I thought he/she worked all day). Like I said earlier Jacketfan, you knew the income level in the teaching profession going in. Either you love it and the money shouldn’t be important, or you should have chosen another profession. I used to despise my career, but made a lot of money. I changed my lifestyle to be able to do work I love making much less. I’m perfectly happy and I certainly don’t have a problem with anyone that makes more. Grow up, take some personal responsibility for your own decisions and quit complaining.

Go Dawgs!

chemdawg

February 10th, 2010
2:04 pm

Professors get tenure because that’s the only perk to teaching idiot undergrads for a lifetime while also scrounging for research funding. Trust me, those who pursue a Ph.D. don’t do it for the lavish lifestyle. Most do it so they can be involved in meaningful research. Those TA’s you speak of? Your professor was once one of them when he/she was spending the best years of his life working as a slave in graduate school.

JacketFan

February 10th, 2010
2:18 pm

NewnanDog, I’m not complaining about what I make. I love my job – LOVE it. What I don’t love is the absolute disregard for education in this country. The kind of raise AD Evans received coupled with the fact that the TRS investment staff also just awarded themselves a hefty pay increase despite the fact that retirement funds went down this year, is just a slap in the face. I don’t care how much anyone makes, but when an AD gets a raise the same year academic admins and faculty are taking pay cuts, it gets my haunches up.

JacketFan

February 10th, 2010
2:19 pm

chemdawg – Preach on! Preach on! (God, never thought I’d say that I missed graduate school ….)

Kip

February 10th, 2010
2:20 pm

It’s those damn librals who are responsible!

NewnanDawg

February 10th, 2010
2:38 pm

Jacketfan – What Evans makes in no way shows a disregard for education. He simply works in a profession that generates more income and therefore pays higher competitive salaries. Do some companies pay high salaries to people that don’t deserve them? Sure, but if you spend this much time worrying about that instead of enjoying the work you say you love, well I just think it’s a waste of your time. Athletic Association and coaching careers may have a high income ceiling, but the people that reach the top level certainly didn’t get it handed to them on a platter. They were also GAs and lower level assistants making almost nothing for many years. And not only do they work tremendous hours, they have to spend huge amounts of time on the road away from their families in recruiting and away game travel. In addition, many coaches have tremendous impact on their players’ lives. They are often the closest thing to a father some of these athletes ever have. So, while I have plenty of regard for those who choose to teach, don’t think you are the only ones who work hard or have an admirable profession.

CatsFly

February 10th, 2010
3:02 pm

Yea I really want a father who loves me only if I can run 4.3 forty, and after I slow down, makes fun of me in front of 65 teammates. Cause if I can’t perform, he won’t be getting that 2.5 million next year.