How much do recruiting star ratings really mean?

Georgia signee T.J. Stripling. (Jason Getz / AJC)

Georgia signee T.J. Stripling. (Jason Getz / AJC)

Recruiting isn’t the primary focus here (there are plenty of other outlets for that), but in my continuing effort to try to talk some of you down off the ledge in the face of what’s generally being perceived as a disappointing signing day for UGA, here’s a reminder that all this five-star and four-star ranking business isn’t always what it’s cracked up to be.

Back in August, we ran an article by Ken Sugiura and Tim Ellerbee under the headline “Are recruiting services overrated?” It included the following about a recruit who today has become one of Georgia’s signees:

“An odd thing happened in the world of college football recruiting last week, and T.J. Stripling, the talented player from Southwest DeKalb, certainly benefited. Stripling, a 6-foot-6, 215-pound defensive end, had gone somewhat unnoticed by the nation’s top recruiting services until word circulated that he was close to choosing among Georgia and several other top college programs. Then his stock skyrocketed. About 24 hours before committing to Georgia, Stripling made a move on the Rivals board that was interesting — jumping from not being ranked on the nation’s top 250 players list all the way to No. 28. And he suddenly became the fourth-best weakside defensive end in the nation, instead of the 16th.”

Ken’s article asked the question: “When it comes to college football recruiting, should anyone really put stock in the 3-star, 4-star and 5-star ratings handed out by the recruiting services?”

Answered the diplomatic Mark Richt: “I just think [fans] need to take everything with a grain of salt. These are just young kids who have to come and prove themselves wherever they go. There’s so many differences in the programs they come from, and it’s just very difficult to judge kids across the country and give them stars. I mean, I know the people who do [the rankings] are very diligent and do their best, but it’s nearly impossible to be really accurate on those things. … I think it’s a very inexact science, and I think the people who do it wouldn’t disagree.”

Tech’s Paul Johnson typically was a bit more blunt in assessing the worth of the recruting services: “None. Zero. Because it’s a joke. How can anybody look and even come across to say these are the top 100 players in the country. They don’t have a clue. Like they’ve looked at every high school running back and they’re going to be able rank this guy as a 4, and this guy as a 5. And if you’ll notice, the teams that have the biggest subscriptions [among fans], their guys are always the 4- and 5-star athletes. That’s the way it is.”

A longtime observer of college recruiting also points out that often the kids who commit early remain static in their ratings, not improving no matter how they perform during their senior seasons in high school, while others who keep everyone guessing till the very end can see their number of stars grow.

Just something to keep in mind amid all the wailing and breast-beating over UGA possibly breaking its string of eight consecutive Top 10-ranked recruiting classes. …

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Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

February 3rd, 2010
11:00 am

Paul H

February 3rd, 2010
11:07 am

Not much. UGA will have a great class as always.

Without-a-clue

February 3rd, 2010
11:08 am

I’m glad I’m not ….!

L-Dawg

February 3rd, 2010
11:11 am

GLORY GORY TO OLE’ GEORGIA!!!!

WELL, SINCE PAUL JOHNSON SAYS IT MEANS NOTHING….. I GUESS HIS BLIND CONGREGATION OF TECHIE FANS CANNOT SAY CRAP ABOUT UGA’S RECRUITMENT CLASS HUH??

Whats Da word?

February 3rd, 2010
11:12 am

Any news on Telvin Smith??? heard that he wasnt solid on the noles yet ….is this so???

Herschel Talker

February 3rd, 2010
11:13 am

Two words: Jasper Sanks
Two words: Mudcat Elmore

Nuff said

dawgerbrown

February 3rd, 2010
11:13 am

You’re right on. Remember Tim Jennings, a last minute offer from UGA to fill an open slot. He was a 2 star with only one offer from South Carolina State. Now, he is playing in his second Super Bowl. David Pollack was a 3 star. There is little difference between 3 and 4 stars, if it is accurate at all.

L-Dawg

February 3rd, 2010
11:15 am

WELCOME MICHAEL THORNTON!!!!!!!!!

GT51

February 3rd, 2010
11:17 am

funny how all of a sudden stars don’t matter. does this have anything to do with uga not having a top ten class? uga alwsys does less with more. now they have less to do less with.

The Real YellowJacket

February 3rd, 2010
11:18 am

I bet if UGA had what was called a top-ranked class you all would be crowing. Sour grapes from a homer.

Clay

February 3rd, 2010
11:18 am

I agree that they don’t mean a whole lot; but, UGA fans have always been very quick to point out how high the class ranks each year. When you have a “down” year, you can’t jump up and say the rankings don’t matter. If they don’t matter now, they can’t matter next year if things work out better in the end.

King Jericho

February 3rd, 2010
11:20 am

1) They’re not totally arbitrary numbers. They’re based on something, but no, it’s not an exact science like CMR says. Take them with a grain of salt, but they’re still the best we have.

2) Passion, commitment, work ethic, etc should factor into the mix as well. These intangibles are not easily quantified by outsiders that have no real knowledge of these kids. How does a 2-star become an All-American? Hard work, dedication, and drive. Talent out of high school is just a starting point. If you can’t put in the work, you’re going to be left in the dust.

gb

February 3rd, 2010
11:22 am

Its what I’ve always said, take a look at the class rankings nationaly. Do you really think the SEC should have 5 or 6 of the top 10 spots each year? Yea right. Ohio State, Texas, Penn State, Oklahoma, USC, they don’t get good players too! The rankings are a joke and here in the south where college football is a religion, the rankings are just beyond any belief. Most of all, like Richt said, players develop at different rates, kids grow up at different rates. I’ve seen kids cut 2 or 3 tenths of a second off their 40 time after having some real training time in college. You got to just wait and see what happens!

Denny Laine

February 3rd, 2010
11:23 am

Bill, what happens to all those great players once they get to Athens?

TommyP

February 3rd, 2010
11:25 am

It sure beats coming to this blog and finding out how good our recruits are.

Inexact? Absolutely. But so is the NFL draft.

It’s a system that keeps improving each year.

jellybeandawg

February 3rd, 2010
11:26 am

Instead of great recruiting classes and no BCS, lets sign a bad class and see what happens…. I am convinced CMR can’t coach up these kids no matter how many stars they came in with so we might as well try it the other way this year.

ToccoaDawg

February 3rd, 2010
11:27 am

How many of these so called stars actually get into school?

DawgsForever

February 3rd, 2010
11:35 am

Funny article! Florida has dominated us in both recruiting and on the field over the past decade. We have owned GT on the field and certainly in recruiting over the last decade. We have always dominated Kentucky in both recruiting and on the field. Same goes for Vandy and South Carolina.

So of course the recruiting has some merit of validity!!!! My goodness our greatest recruit of all time led to our only consensus national title (Associated Press and UPI – the other was not awarded by the major polls) the recruit was obviously Hershel Walker.

Thus….having the 20th ranked class, #7 class in the SEC….is very worrisome when we are accustomed to top 5 classes. I can’t help but wonder what the future holds. If we have dominated teams but we have superior talent….what will happen when we no longer have superior talent and depth??? This coupled with the last two seasons and the trouble getting a DC makes me worried we are on a downward spiral that will only end in the next year or two with a new coach.

mcdaviddawg

February 3rd, 2010
11:40 am

The class rankings mean a lot and we have been less than great with top classes, so what will we do with less than top class. Richt coaches down which is why our top classes haven’t shown what we expected. Things look very dark in Athens. We’ll need major changes soon. The program is going down in record time. The bad vibes are why we had trouble getting our coaching openings filled and why so many of our native sons are going out of state.

Paul H

February 3rd, 2010
11:43 am

We will always run this state. Don’t forget it Techies.

Bob Dylan

February 3rd, 2010
11:43 am

southernfootball

February 3rd, 2010
11:46 am

DawgsForever, by some publications UGA has outrecruited Florida. Especially in the recruiting rankings over the previois 5 years.

southernfootball

February 3rd, 2010
11:49 am

Paul H, do you have some insight on UGA’s targets for 2011 since you must work for the football program.

ceph

February 3rd, 2010
11:50 am

Bill, I thought you were above it but you are falling in line just like ev eryone else, QUIT MAKING EXCUSES FOR RICHT!!!!! These kids had rather be playing than praying. Richt needs to take his can to the missionary field and get him and the water girl out of town. If he looks anything at all like he does in his Dalton carpet ads when he goes into these homes I would make him come in the back door, he looks like a used car salesman on the back lot. Grantham said we could be better than anyone by just closing the gates to the state but he forgot to mention that Richt doesn’t have a clue how to do it. I can see some of the top programs coming and getting a top player occassionally but Auburn, FSU, Tenn. etc at this point in time when they are in a comatose state it shouldn’t happen. There is only one person responsible for this, RICHT!!!!!

Whats Da word?

February 3rd, 2010
11:52 am

Telvin is now a nole ! Bummer

robodawg

February 3rd, 2010
11:52 am

Recruiting obviously makes a difference, but stars and rating services can get pretty silly. CPJ says it well. Even so, some guys are freaks of nature and you just know they will be great in college. When Florida loads up, for example, on the most dominating players in the all star games, yeah, that’s worrying.

As long as this is a one-year blip and as long as we develop the players we’ve got, we’ll be okay and stay competitive. Just hope this isn’t the start of a trend. Bama, Auburn and UT have really stepped up their recruiting efforts in our state.

robodawg

February 3rd, 2010
11:58 am

You know what? You look at those pictures of the Ogletrees, best clothes on, proud Georgia hats, and huge smiles, you just know they were meant to be Dawgs. There are enough guys like that out there that we should always get the players we need.

It’s disappointing though when it seems like we could’ve signed more of those guys who grew up dreaming of being a Dawg, like Blake Sims going to Bama b/c we were late in offering.

todd

February 3rd, 2010
12:01 pm

Come on Bill don’t make us look lame with the “what does 4 start, 5 star take when we got hit at the end”
Last yr. you could’ve worked for Rivals.com

Bottom line is DaRick Rogers better not come back to haunt us up at UT. There in the East the last time I checked and we’ve already experienced at UGA Tenn. plucking prime Ga talent and whippirng our ass on a consistent basis.

IF MR and Bobo and his dip in his mouth sat around and signed Hutson Mason, knowing they needed to offer Nash, so be it.

Only time will tell.

Hunting Dawg

February 3rd, 2010
12:01 pm

It is comical how many Dawg fans howl at the moon when we have 4-5 star recruits and then rationalize the daylights of a recruiting year that by ’star’ count, is not so good.

It comes down to the kid’s desire to learn & to play their hearts out and excellent coaching.

I am going to stand by CMR and hope that the coaching of this year’s recruiting class will translate into excellent college football players two years down the road.

It does seem that we have had the talent in past years and that was lost in translation on the playing field.

We need fire and attitude in Athens and with the Good Lord willing and the creek don’t rise we might just get it with the new defensive coaching staff.

Good Luck Dawgs and THWGT!

Ozzy

February 3rd, 2010
12:06 pm

Easy enough.

When Georgia has a good class – stars mean everything.

When they don’t – stars mean nothing.

Next question.

Paul's Johnson

February 3rd, 2010
12:09 pm

Ozzy nailed it. Nothing else to add.

Tailback U

February 3rd, 2010
12:20 pm

Here’s a clue for the big dumbazz club out there (mostly Tech fans)
who say “well your take would be different had the class been better”
No freakin duh ? And why would that be ? Because of two things.
Number one is most people will try to look at the positive side of
things instead of the negative if there is any reason at all to do
so. Given that there is only one team that Georgia has not been
able to defeat and hold there own against in the last 10 yrs only
a fool would say there does not exist a reason. So first it’s
a human reaction but the more important reason and Bill you have
done a good job on this, fans in general are coming to the realities
of college football. Top ten classes are great because they look
good on paper but you win football games on the field. For me personally it is not just bout projecting how these kids might
contribute to a championship. But also the enjoyment in knowing that
I will have an opportunity to cheer on a super skilled athlete
representing my school. For a hardcore football junkie like myself
that’s cool indeed. So I will not lie and say I am not disappointed
to lose a player like Rogers who is obviously very talented. But
at the same time realization has set in for me about what recruiting
really is , and that is a far cry from what I thought it once was.
But hey if you like drama there are enough queens out there to keep
things interesting that’s for sure.

jaglaw

February 3rd, 2010
12:25 pm

I do agree that the star rating can use a kids speed and size to project his upside, but in no way does that make him a star.
Also, the AJC spends so much attention on GA players around Atlanta and giving then high ratings, failing to truely acknowledge the number of talented players in SOUTH GA , and adaquately rating them. UF and FSU do pay attention to these SOUTH GA players and thats where they end up.
Funny, SOUTH GA, schools win most of the state championships in football, but never have as many “star” players as the north ga schools????? DOESNT ADD UP.
AND,,,,, UF and FSU continues to recruit these SOUTHERN GA kids, and UF contintues to kick our butts.

RIC FLAIR

February 3rd, 2010
12:28 pm

You know Im tired of seeing these young punks treated like celebrities. Most end up not playing well or kicked out of school for misconduct. As for the Rogers kid that changed his mind to go to Tenn who was commited for past 8 months. What does an 18 year old from the guetto with no father in the home know about commitment? Hes never seen an example of commitment in his life. This recruiting business is nothing but pandering around a bunch of half literate failures.

Tailback U

February 3rd, 2010
12:39 pm

Jaglaw
Good point on the south Ga. kids.
It is a much needed area of focus by CMR going forward.

Bill King

February 3rd, 2010
12:40 pm

Anyone who’s read this blog for the past few years knows that my view of the recruiting services and ratings and the whole hoopla surrounding signing day is not something I’ve just arrived at this year in reaction to Georgia’s showing. I’ve always thought the obsession many fans and much of the media have with ranking recruiting classes and assigning star ratings to 18-year-olds is overdone. As I said yesterday, I recognize that if you’re signing players everyone else wants, that’s generally a good thing. But fretting over whether you’re ranked Top 10 by recruiting services is ridiculous. If you win, it doesn’t matter how your players were ranked coming out of high school. That was my belief even during UGA’s run of eight consecutive Top 10 recruiting classes, and so nothing’s changed.

SR

February 3rd, 2010
12:41 pm

To all the North Avenue Trade School fans who’ve been posting on this blog, let’s forget the annual recruting rankings and look at head-to-head competition. Let’s see now. . . .The Dogs have beaten the Jackets 9 out of the last 10 games. The best you can say if you’re a Tech fan is that Johnson is 1-1 against Richt.

Crisp County Coon Hunter

February 3rd, 2010
12:41 pm

Hey folks, we got this here kid down in Cordele that can run like a scalded dog. Yessirree Bob-tail, he’s better’n Hershell Welker was when he’s playin ball at Washington County or wherever he played. He’s got high grades in all his special ed classes and he’s a good boy that goes to church. So tell are coach mr mark richt to come down here to Cordele and ask about Runnell Wannamaker. Here’s one a them utoob videos about him at church. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lHHQu4CIos

collegeballfan

February 3rd, 2010
12:44 pm

Bill this is two columns in a row that I agree with you. Must be something in the water. Seriously, this is an important column you just inked.

Another example, the Perkins kid Tech signed was a one star, committed to Tech last January, was a 3 star the next day, looked at no other schools and remained a 3 star. Some of the rankings are accurate and some are not. Ranking 17 & 18 year olds is not a science and is far from an art.

Many years ago Dooley signed the top offensive lineman in the SE. He came to UGA, could not get off the Scout team and transferred to an NAIA school. Got there and could not start. But he was highly rated!

gatorman770

February 3rd, 2010
12:52 pm

Small recruting class equals little chance to be in the top 10, even with the majority of the players rated at 4 & 5 star. Example: Gators 2009 class had a average class rating of 11th, had the first or second highest APR, but they had a small class of just 16 recruits (due to available scholarships)so they ended up out of the top 10.
UGA has less scholarships available this year, thus a smaller class resulting in very little chance of a top 10 class. It’s nothing to get your shorts and panties all contorted like Pelosi’s face!
UGA probably received a big blessing in disguise when Du’Rick switched to the Vols just as the Gators were blessed when Nu’Keese (for the big convenience store money Kiffin promised him) did the same last year at the last minute.

hotbobby

February 3rd, 2010
12:55 pm

Hopefully, our new D-co can coach up these boys, for a change. I got a bad feeling about this program and the direction we’re heading. We lost too many good players to other programs. Anybody wonder why a kid from GA would want to leave family, friends, and UGA to go to other schools? Did we not recruit them? Are there parents afraid to send the Athens? Do THEY read the writing on the wall? One thing is for sure-there is nothing we can do about it, now. We’ll see-

JK Pierce

February 3rd, 2010
1:09 pm

You are right. A recruit is like a newborn baby. You never know what you have.

Cuz

February 3rd, 2010
1:17 pm

Bags fly free.

chipperdawg

February 3rd, 2010
1:17 pm

ESPN syas UGA’s class ranks No.9. They’re probably just as qualified as these other services, would’nt you think? Looks like a solid bunch to me, when you get to reading up on them. I think we filled alot of needs of the future on defense. The thing is you not gonna get them all. I think CMR has done a great job in getting it done on the recruiting trail and we seem to get our share of the best of the best… just sayin’.

jaglaw

February 3rd, 2010
1:17 pm

Hotbobby,

Did you read my earlier post. Auburn got a lot of kids from South GA. AU, UF, FSU pay attention to these kids and they read about themselves in local headlines……thats why they leave GA!

CvilleDawg

February 3rd, 2010
1:22 pm

ATTENTION! Georgia signs big 6′6 201 lb wide receiver lonnie outlaw out of wilcox county, scout has him as only a 2 star but this guy must be special for georgia to sign a 2 star wide receiver!

Bremen Dawg

February 3rd, 2010
1:22 pm

I think we still got the players we needed and just look at Jimmy Johnson at Miami and how many times he played and won the NC at Miami. He did not even look at the rankings, he went after talent and not stars and we need to do the same thing. A player is a no star player and UGA offers them and all of sudden here comes the other schools after the same player. That still shows the respect for UGA that other schools have.

BTW, since Atlanta the happiest (synonym) city then does that make Georgia Tech the happiest (synonym) college, bwahahahahahah

Roll Tider

February 3rd, 2010
1:24 pm

Star ratings by national websites may not mean much, but local recruiting rankings do. Link below shows that UGA missed on the top 2, landed only 4 of the top 10, and 5 of the top 20 recruits in the state of Georgia. Considering the number of these kids UGA used to get, that has to be troubling. Sugarcoat away…

http://gavarsity.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=2467

kauai dawg

February 3rd, 2010
1:24 pm

I am one fan who is thankful “Da’dramamess” went to rocky top. The “Me” first attitude in kids these days is troubling. I am thankful for the kids who wanted to attend GA. Go DAWGS! 30-24

Roll Tider

February 3rd, 2010
1:30 pm

Further, compare and contrast the link above to this one. Bama landed the top 3 and 4 of the top 5 in-state recruits. Also, Alabama and Auburn combined to keep 9 of the Top 10 in-state. Again, HAS to be troubling…

http://bamavarsity.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=2458

robdawg08

February 3rd, 2010
1:30 pm

UGA was #5 recruiting 2010 but moved down to #9 losing several recruits including Telvin & Da’Rick. I’m disappointed that the coaches couldn’t secure these top recruits. Tenn.,Bama,Auburn,etc. all took most of our top 25 state recruits. This has to be a blow to the Dawgs fan base and a blemish on Mark Richt’s career.

I was wondering why all of the SEC teams had 22 to 27 recruits signed and UGA had only 18. What’s up with that ?

Who is gonna replace Rennie Curran ?

Why do the Dawgs sign these 6″ corners every year to go against the SEC’s 6′5 receivers ?

5 players stolen from UGA today but UGA steals not one player from another team. What the hell are these recruiters doing ? Golfing ?

4th Place SEC East Dawg

February 3rd, 2010
1:31 pm

Agreed. We usually gets tons of star recruits and usually suck.

SOUTHGADAWG88

February 3rd, 2010
1:34 pm

We have a great class of kids coupled with the RS from last year look for 7-8 freshman to play a lot this year.We do have to humble down some on our recruiting in state.There have been some grumbling for a few years now about the UGA staff being a bit arrogant on the recruiting trail.What I mean by arrogant is a late to offer a lot of prospects…kids feeling like coaches not showing them enough attention and in a nut shell acting as if the offer alone was enough.I know it’s seems silly but it really is like a courtship…some know they want to be with you right away(those are the easy ones)some like you but want to be pursued(the majority) some that you like more than they do you(those are the hardest to get)and finally those who have no interest in you at all and vice versa.You have to expect to lose a few out of state kids when you fire coaches…those guys form stronger bonds with their position coaches.As for the Rogers deal who know?I’m still looking for Marlon Brown so I don’t know if he saw himself getting enough balls thrown his or not.We are stocking up on big bodies and that is a welcome change.Good luck to all the young men who sign to play ball today..It’s a once in a lifetime experience.

CvilleDawg

February 3rd, 2010
1:37 pm

Mark ingram was only a 3 star out of high school and so was knowshon moreno…

robdawg08

February 3rd, 2010
1:38 pm

The five stars do mean a lot. It means that those players were the best at their positions against other top talent. A three star player can turn himself into a 5 star player and vice-versa but 8 times out of 10 the experts are right.

The bottomline is that UGA didn’t get most of the top 25 in-state recruits. Even worse is that they signed with other SEC schools ! Damn….

Tide Rising

February 3rd, 2010
1:41 pm

There is some truth to what Bill says. How do you really know if this defensive end is truly the 4th best def end in the country? How do you really know if he’s not the best or the 20th best when his college career is all said and done? So there will be 4 and 5 stars who will eventually flop (Fred Rouse and Willie Williams) and 3 stars who will eventually be immensely successful like a David Pollack or David Greene.

That being said there is still a surprising degree of accuracy with these recruiting svcs. A study last year showed that former 5 star recruits have a 45% chance of going in the nfl draft in the first 3 rounds, for 4 stars it falls to something like 15%, for 3 stars it falls to something like 5% and for 2 star athletes to eventually make it to being drafted in the 1st 3 rounds of the nfl draft several years later the odds are less than 1 %.

There is also consistency and a direct correlation in general between top recruiting classes and end of season results. The same teams that constantly garner top 5 classes like the USC, OU, Texas, Florida, etc. are the same teams that more often than not finish in the top 10 most years. Not every year but most years those teams are up there.

Bottom line. There are flops and disappointments among 5 star recruits and 3 star recruits who end up as top draft picks. But overall there is a strong correlation between the average player’s star rating and his future NFL prospects 4 years later and this has been backed up by several studies.

dap01

February 3rd, 2010
1:44 pm

Our weakest link in our team has been the coaching. We could have continued to have a top 5 class every year but we would not be successful until changes were made.

I would rather have a 15th ranked class with excellent defensive coaching than what we have had the last couple of years.

Go Dawgs!

Middle

February 3rd, 2010
1:44 pm

If the recruiting services and rankings aren’t a good barometer of talent and having a good recruiting class isn’t important then why don’t we see the likes of UK, MSU, Vanderbilt, and the rest of the bottom of the other top conferences consistently in the Top 25 (BCS, AP, USAToday, etc.)?

Somehow, the teams that consistently bring in supposedly questionablly rated talent, as suggested by Bill, Richt and Johnson, are the ones that are consistantly at the top of the end of year and preseason rankings. Obviously the evidence isn’t there to suggest that these ratings have any merit at all, right?

CvilleDawg

February 3rd, 2010
1:45 pm

I mean like a 3 star outside linebacker we signed named demetre baker runs a 4.4 forty, we just have to be optimistic about this season and the future, sure we’ve been let down year after year but our time will come soon, I love the fact we have a veteran o-line coming back and both running backs thats gonna be just as good as last year..plus, I see this defense becoming headhunters.

dan

February 3rd, 2010
1:45 pm

Good point Bill. And while we’re at it, I think the NFL combine is a total sham. And as we know, guys like Todd McShay and Mel Kiper are NEVER wrong!

Middle

February 3rd, 2010
1:48 pm

Tide Rising, you made my point exactly but with more evidentiary support. Well done.

Tide Rising

February 3rd, 2010
1:49 pm

CvilleDawg,

Knowshon was a 4 star in at least one recruiting svc. Mark Ingram was a 3 star in one and I think eventually moved to 4 star in the other but for most of his recruitment was only 3 star in both.

I think like Bill mentioned Ingram probably got moved to 4 star at the end of his recruitment in one of those moves by the recruiting svc to interest Bama fans and hence get more Bama fans to sign up for their service out of excitment. This does happen all the time like Bill said where a recruit moves from a 3 star status to 4 star just by virtue of committing to a school where a lot of fans subscribe to the recruiting svc that follows that school.

It is true though that evaluating talent better is what made Saban offer Ingram. Before being offered Ingram had scholly offers only from Mich state, Iowa I think, and several mid size programs but he had no offers from Michigan or Ohio State which are the big boys in the big 10. Terrance Cody was only 3 star in 1 or both svcs. I think Saban does in fact do a great job of evaluating 3 star guys that really are much more worthy than their 3 star status.

Richt probably has been pretty good also and had guys like Thomas Davis who was initially only 3 star. I think it was Richt and not Donnan who recruited him although I’m not 100% sure.

robdawg08

February 3rd, 2010
1:53 pm

Signing these players is a sales pitch. You have to assure these recruits that your goal is a National Championship EVERY YEAR ! Somehow I think the laid-back Richt doesn’t tell the kids this. Sure, only one team can win the championship every year but that means 129 schools lie telling the kids this pitch. It doesn’t matter though, all the kids want to know is that this is your ultimate goal.

Texas dominates recruiting in Texas,Bama in Bama,USC in cali,,LSU in LA.,Penn St. in Penn.,UF in Fla., but Auburn and Tenn. dominate Ga. recruiting. Something is bad wrong here !

CvilleDawg

February 3rd, 2010
1:55 pm

This class seems like a sleeper to me, we’ve recruited so many defensive players instead of offensive and I love the fact we’ve signed garrison smith and mike thornton. as for the d-ends stripling is a beast as i’ve seen and players like fields and morant are kind of darkhorses. For me i’ve always looked at the brightside of things not the downfall as you can tell.

Dunkley

February 3rd, 2010
1:58 pm

“DawgsForever, by some publications UGA has outrecruited Florida.”

Lay off the booze

cantondawg

February 3rd, 2010
2:02 pm

Mcdaviddawg and Herschel Talker,

Difference between a LOSER AND A WINNER

Losers complain about everything and never offer a solution. They are very annoying to listen and read about.
They are only looking to find fault but can never offer an alternative solution.

Winners continue to support and encourage even through tough times.
Winner look to find solutions and never try to blame people. Instead of pointing fingers they make decisions

It’s obvious what you two guys are.

robdawg08

February 3rd, 2010
2:03 pm

Its hard to look at the brightside coming off a 8-4 season and seeing your SEC rivals out recruit you. I’m thinking some 7-5 seasons are ahead. But the opportunity to sign top recruits was right there for UGA. They whiffed.

chazzo

February 3rd, 2010
2:04 pm

Screw the polls and rankings and any form of speculation. Dawgs are deep at every position and deep with young athletes. They are getting the guys they need in the spots they need. So you lose a five star receiver. Georgia has five on roster that can hang with anyone and at least two that are all-SEC one that is all-world. Rankings are for obsessive jackasses and some of the other AJC crew that likes to bad mouth the dawgs every chance they get.

cantondawg

February 3rd, 2010
2:04 pm

Mcdaviddawg and Herschel Talker,

All you guys ever do is rip CMR. Why don’t you tell us who we should hire in his place and give reasons. I’m looking for a good laugh today and want to expose you two for the idiots that you are.

Tide Rising

February 3rd, 2010
2:07 pm

robdawg08,

Texas does dominate their state. Funny thing that they say in Texas is that Texas selects who it wants and everyone else recruits everyone who’s left over which is gonna be about 350 D-1 prospects after Texas makes its selections.

Georgia typically does dominate its state from what I’ve seen but there is so much talent and some of it that gets away that it may not seem that way to dawg fans. This year was just a bad year as far as nailing down the very top 3 or 4 guys like Rogers or Mack Brown, etc. There is so much talent in the state of georgia though that I wouldn’t sweat it if I were you guys since you still got a decent haul.

Tenn and Auburn grabbed a lot of your talent simply because those programs offer immediate playing time due to low scholly numbers. Kiffin left UT in a mess with only something like 70 players instead of the usual 85 on scholarship and same thing with Auburn. That stuff tends to even out though and next year UGA will probably nab most if not all of the top 4 or 5 instate guys and probably end up top 3 nationally.

robdawg08

February 3rd, 2010
2:09 pm

UGA has one five star receiver, A.J. Green.

robdawg08

February 3rd, 2010
2:11 pm

Tide, Richt’s guarantee when he was hired was that the “Top recruits will be Georgia Bulldogs.” The SEC is so competetivive now that recruiting is the biggest difference in winning or losing.

CvilleDawg

February 3rd, 2010
2:12 pm

robdawg08

February 3rd, 2010
2:03 pm
Its hard to look at the brightside coming off a 8-4 season and seeing your SEC rivals out recruit you. I’m thinking some 7-5 seasons are ahead. But the opportunity to sign top recruits was right there for UGA. They whiffed.”

Well, honestly robdawg we recruited who we wanted besides losing robey who was 5′7 and da’rick rogers. Remember a running game wins the game and with the way the o-line and the backs looked finishing off last year I say we have a good season ahead of us this year, hell I hope richt puts munzenmaier and chapas in the backfield again and pound the ball up the middle over and over again.

DP

February 3rd, 2010
2:15 pm

These ratings are absolutely irrevelant. The so-called expert recruiting services are way too consumed with the real and imagined talent of high school ball players. Let them make it to college and then everyone can see what they can or can not do.

robdawg08

February 3rd, 2010
2:18 pm

Honestly we lost 15 of the top 25 in-state players and two at the last minute today. Chapas & Nunzenmaier are blocking backs for King & Ealey.
I guess we will see…

robdawg08

February 3rd, 2010
2:20 pm

The ratings are only irrelevant for UGA and Notre Dame that don’t live UP to the top 10 recruiting classes. It seems to be dead-right for Florida,Alabama,Texas,Penn St.,USC,LSU,and Oklahoma. Top classes and top 10 teams on the field most every year.

1eyedJack

February 3rd, 2010
2:21 pm

At least we don’t have to cry over that pitiful roster of midgets Tech just signed.

CvilleDawg

February 3rd, 2010
2:23 pm

yeah and thats what they said about jacob hester at lsu a few years back, richt moved munzenmaier to running back at spring practice last year. are you sure your even a dawg fan..? because your attitude blows.

DP

February 3rd, 2010
2:25 pm

Correction – These ratings are irrelevant.

robdawg08

February 3rd, 2010
2:28 pm

My attitude got blown today. But to most of you Richt could run over your dog and he would still be the All-Mighty King Richt ! I want us to recruit and sign our top talent. But I’m not Dawg fan for complaining. Hell, at least I care.

Dunkley

February 3rd, 2010
2:29 pm

Mack Brown from Martin Luther King High School was asked this question and this was his response :

Mack, if you didn’t pick Florida, where would you have gone and why?

I would have gone to Georgia. It’s my hometown and I grew up a Bulldogs fans

Pitbull

February 3rd, 2010
2:33 pm

It’s not the stars. It’s the heart and desire.

Remember Terry Hoage. Nobody recruited him and Vince gave him his one remaining scholarship because Terry called and asked for it.

Jake Scott played before recruits were ranked by stars.

Terry Hoage and Jake Scott were the two best defensive backs UGA ever had.

Both played in the NFL. Terry played for 13 years and Jake was a Super Bowl MVP.

CvilleDawg

February 3rd, 2010
2:34 pm

no, I dont look at richt as some king..im just not gonna get all shook up about it because I actually believe in the whole georgia staff and team to get it done this season, can’t help that im gonna love the georgia bulldogs no matter what.

CvilleDawg

February 3rd, 2010
2:37 pm

one other thing we need some updates on christian and chaz green!

robdawg08

February 3rd, 2010
2:42 pm

Pitbull, for every 10 or 12 Hoage,J.Scott,and J.Rice who become great from nothing there are thousands of D.Marino’s,P.Manning’s,etc. that were great from high school thru the pro level and five star recruits.

d1reality

February 3rd, 2010
2:44 pm

“Tide, Richt’s guarantee when he was hired was that the “Top recruits will be Georgia Bulldogs.” The SEC is so competetivive now that recruiting is the biggest difference in winning or losing.”

All the top SEC schools are recruiting well. THE DIFFERENCE IS COACHING. That is why BAMA is #1, the Gators own UGA, and coach MR’s has consistently brought in “top10″ recruits, but his dawgs are invisible in the final national rankings. COACHING = WINNING

Mike L

February 3rd, 2010
2:45 pm

UGA has had a lot of top recruiting classes by signing one or two homerun choices such as Stafford or Moreno. They missed on the big signings this year, so maybe they can win with small ball. You have to hit for average too. Most of those crappy defensive backs UGA has had over the last few years were 4 and 5 star players. They busted out.
By the way, I hope they brought a scale and measuring tape on recruiting visits. Im tied or 6′0 200 lb defensive backs showing up at school at 5′9 170 lbs.

Spike

February 3rd, 2010
2:46 pm

Listen, Tech poindexters no matter who we recruit they will still beat your sorry arses. UGA-30. ACC Champs-24. Glad it still hurts, even on signing day. HHAHAHHAHAHH

timthebrave

February 3rd, 2010
2:46 pm

What I don’t get is we missed out on 1 five star reciever and we go from 5 to 17 in ranking for recruits. We are solid on recievers, rb and qb so I am more worried about defense for this year.

TxDawg

February 3rd, 2010
2:52 pm

ESPN #9
rivals #16
scout #19/20

who knows how each kid will do ( Arthur Brown #1 LB @the U is done). That is why they play the
game. Let’s see what happensin two years. Let’s GO DAWGS!!

WonderDawg

February 3rd, 2010
2:53 pm

“Thousands of D Marinos, P Mannings”??

robdawg08

February 3rd, 2010
2:57 pm

Ok wonderdawg, must I list all the five star college recruits that were also stars in the NFL from 1972 to 2010 ? Well, I’m not.

Bling and blang

February 3rd, 2010
2:59 pm

Granthams first job with Stripling is to make him cut his nappy head.

robdawg08

February 3rd, 2010
3:01 pm

I’m watching ESPN. Rivals has us at #16 ? Big disparity from ESPN’s ranking.

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February 3rd, 2010
3:05 pm

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I am Kayne West and Taylor Swift's Grammy's suck

February 3rd, 2010
3:09 pm

i just want to punch CPJ every time i hear him speak; what a unpolished goob.

mcdaviddawg

February 3rd, 2010
3:21 pm

To cantondawg, acceptance of less than the best from our outragiously paid coaches is not supporting the team. To pretend this is an acceptable recruiting class is just stupid. We will rate the 7th best class in the SEC. We could have signed more players but apparently couldn’t find any that wanted to come to Georgia. Many of these players want to be coached up with hopes for the NFL. Chances for this are better almost anywhere than under Richt. I honestly don’t know what the man does. And for you who like to call names, I went to my first game as a small boy in Columbus for a Georgia Auburn game. I supoport the team with contirbutions and go to home and away games. I bet many of you don’t go farther than your TV. I want the best and I see schools on the rise all around us, but not us. The work ethic by Richt and is help is rotten. I want us to be on the top level but wwe’re heded down fast. Richt couldn’t get there with top talent what will he do with less. Last year was awful, we were not without a lot of talent. Watching the games last year, I watched Richt closely, until the very end at Tech and Auburn, he would not say one word to his coaches or his players. Just stood any watched with the earphones which may or maynot have been connected to anyone. Finally against Tech he got involved when hsi job was certainly up for conversation. He’s a born again loset.

Old Dawg

February 3rd, 2010
3:28 pm

Bill, great post. Like I said on another story earlier today, UGA targeted defensive players early in the recruiting class, that’s what they focused on and that’s what they signed. They also got some talent for the O Line, and a good possession receiver. Plus a hard-nosed running back.

Quite frankly, I’m tired of the “sky is falling” crowd. No team can win conference titles every year and national championships are difficult to pull in. I know that with other teams from the SEC taking the BCS in recent years, many Dawg fans want to capture some of their magic. It’s a difficult and challenging task.

But not winning a title isn’t the end of the world, especially if you’re posting winning records and bowl games. That’s a sign that the program is on solid ground … even if some folks think the sky is falling.

icedawg

February 3rd, 2010
3:30 pm

The whole recruiting scene is a bad joke. It has given the guys that invented and run these self-made, self-appointed services celebrity status. It has made the whole high school sports scene a three ring circus. Most of the recruits will end up being ordinary. But the media loves it because it knows that this kind of stuff appeals to the sick pride in people. My team is better than your team. Nanananananah And of course, if the media can convince advertisers that they have viewers it can make them money. Pride and money. Definite idols.

robdawg08

February 3rd, 2010
3:33 pm

Richt just sugarcoated the recruiting losses on ESPN interview. I’d like to see more FIRE from Richt as a coach. Get in a player’s face after a stupid out of bounds late hit ! His cool demeanor is great for 85 % of the time but you need an iron fist at times.

robdawg08

February 3rd, 2010
3:34 pm

Florida just signed Chaz Green. Ouch !

Dunkley

February 3rd, 2010
3:39 pm

Christian Green is a Seminole, Chaz Green is a Gator!!! Woot Woot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeff

February 3rd, 2010
3:59 pm

I’ll give Georgia’s class 90. I think with 25 or 26 signee’s instead of 19 the score would have been much higher.

snellville jacket

February 3rd, 2010
4:01 pm

What really matters is each school got what they believe could help them the best. The real issue is the hapiness each student and their family has today. Hopefully that will not loose sight of the real goal to graduate.

Good luck to UGA

Da facts about recruiting in Georgia

February 3rd, 2010
4:26 pm

Metro Atlanta is a corporate area. This is to say that kids come here or grow up here but with parents from all over the USA with allegiances to many, many schools. Years ago when i was headed to UGA in the late 60s, UGA and ONLY TWO state schools attracted mainly kids from Georgia. Then, Atlanta was not as full of transplants.

Today Atlanta is 100% transplants and that is why UGA has for several years signed greats from other areas like Musa Smith, Knowshon Moreno, Matt Staford, Daniel Ellerbee, Trinton Sturdivant, Rodney Hampton, Tim Worley, AJ Green and Orson Charles and Rontavious Wooten and Marvelowu Marlon Brown and TE Fred Lynn ( MA ) and too many more to name. See??? UGA gets what they need. Always has and always will.

Yes, UGA usually gets their needs in state and in 2010 we did it again with two blue chip, highly regarded Nationnal TOP 150 players (D linemen) and some o linemen, etc. The Lassiter QB is a steal for UGA and will pay dividends in two years.

UGA is stock piled now with O talent and that is why Calhoun’s DaRickRogers went to UT. He would only be about 4 or 5 deep in the wide out rotation. His pla is a Qb and we could not offer that kid a deal, like he got at UT. No big loss is DaRick. He would only be one more of about 8 UGA wide receivers. He will not be missed.

UGA got about 90% of what they needed on DEFENSE, so I say ………..let us tee it up and play some SEC ball.

Go Dogs

Da facts about recruiting in Georgia

February 3rd, 2010
4:30 pm

One more comment:

Aaron Murray is the heir apparent at QB and was one of the top 3, 4 or 5 QBs in USA a year ago. He is from Tampa. USA gets what they need, either in Georgia or from wherever.

Go Dogs

Judge Dawg

February 3rd, 2010
4:31 pm

Other than WR the recruits fill needs and should do fine. Chris Durham will be back. Did we redshirt a WR? Samuel will help at LB. We should field a good team.

Hmmmm

February 3rd, 2010
4:35 pm

That title sounds just like what someone who thought they would have an outstanding recruiting class, and then didn’t would say

Da facts about recruiting in Georgia

February 3rd, 2010
4:35 pm

Old Dawg, I too am tired of the sky is falling crowd. You a e 100% correct in your assessment of the 2010 frosh class. We are fine and we got our needs. One more huge, mobile, hostile, agile D lineman would be wonderful if our numbers permit it.

Go Dogs.
Class of 71 & 73

Foothills football fan

February 3rd, 2010
4:38 pm

1eyedJack-thanks for your insight (pun intended)

UGA Rocks The House!!

February 3rd, 2010
4:40 pm

UGA finished in top 5 in DE’s, DB’s on rivals.com, #11 on DL’s

Scout UGA finished:
1- top 5 in number of top 100 recruits
2- #7 in average quality of recruit

ESPN UGA finished ranked #9

Neubi

February 3rd, 2010
4:55 pm

I wonder if the opposite arguement to:

“And if you’ll notice, the teams that have the biggest subscriptions [among fans], their guys are always the 4- and 5-star athletes. That’s the way it is.”

Could it be that these are the teams that are winning championships and are better a player evaluation?

Tailback U

February 3rd, 2010
5:01 pm

It’s all about perspective just that simple.
We needed defensive talent and we got most of what we went after.
Does that mean I am satified ? Nope we lost out on a few guys
we will have to cotend with in the future. That being said when
you stop and think about the circumstances of a coaching change,
and a trip to the college bowl wasteland how realistically could
you have expected much more ? Some dimwit suggested we Dawg fans
should be troubled. I don’t think so! But now being a little
concerned is a different matter. And we might as well be real and
say one year out of the top 10 is a isolated incident but two
is a trend. Next year is very important to CMR’s future.
But it is without question that Georgia will again rake in the
states’s top talent with a good year. I wish spring practices
started tomorrow. Let’s go Dawgs!

MadDawg

February 3rd, 2010
5:02 pm

What is going on? We only signed 1 of the Top10 recruits in state? Only 7 of the top 30? UT got 2 of our Top 5 in state? How can Dooley, after only 3 weeks, beat us in recruiting? This is awful and I’m tired of making excuses.

Another Dawg

February 3rd, 2010
5:04 pm

As far as the star ratings go, I like to see higher ones. But I think everyone knows that there are 2 and 3-star players that outplay the 5-star hype. Also, these star rankings are biased toward readiness to play college ball straight out of high school. Most players won’t play as freshmen and will see backup duty as sophomores. If there was a service that predicted impact as a Junior, it would be far more meaningful.

Georgia has had top 10 classes every year and done well with them. We also had 5 top 10 recruiting classes on a 7-5 team this year. I’d certainly be happier if our classes have better rankings, but at the end of the day, it’s not till they show up on the field that we’ll know what a class is worth.

Carty

February 3rd, 2010
5:05 pm

Well over the last few years when Georgia has had solid classes it’s been very important. But auhhh, auhhh, apparently today after the last signature for the Dawgs came in, now it’s apparently much more about coaching. The talent gap between Gainesville and Athens continues to grow.

MadDawg

February 3rd, 2010
5:06 pm

Good point Another Dawg…that’s why I think we need to keep our mouths closed about UT signing a two star in Nance. I get your point, but we don’t need to talk out of both sides of our mouth.

East Dawg

February 3rd, 2010
5:15 pm

Mark Richt : 2-7 against Florida……………………solid

Alphare

February 3rd, 2010
5:26 pm

The reason dawg recruiting ranking is down is fully the fault of UGA fans. The more you subscribe the online services, the higher you will be ranked. It’s that simple. So, don’t complain, get your credit cards ready and pay. You will be in good shape.

billytdoogan

February 3rd, 2010
5:30 pm

I am not really disappointed about today’s additions. we lost recruits that would have added depth to positions that we primarily have filled pretty well. Overall, we only lost Rennie on defense as far a talent goes, so having a linebacker to step up should not be an issue. We seem to have some undersized LBs coming in, which should work well for TGs new D. Only concern I have is finding a hole plugging NT.

Offensively, we brought in some new lineman, which are needed since that is always a weak spot for us. We have good, young talent at WR, so those losses are not substantial, our QBs are young and unknown, The RBs are coming around, and we added one more that should help some. Offensively, we need a FB.
Defensively, we have CBs that are sophomores, a drunk monkey could replace R. Jones or Evans so there is no loss there. It looks like we will fill those gaps with a couple of freshmen anyway. Linebackers will be interesting, especially with the possibility of R. Samuel on the outside.

Forget about next year’s signees, this years team should be a big improvement over the last two we suffered over. That is if TG earns his salary.

tennesee tom

February 3rd, 2010
5:30 pm

seems like the jawga kids are leaving the pine tar state

snapshot

February 3rd, 2010
5:47 pm

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink. This seems to be the norm with ugag football recruiting.

Buddy El

February 3rd, 2010
6:12 pm

Well said cantondawg, cville dawg, DP,chazzo, etc.: I am ashamed for our UGA program with all these sniveling crybabies. They wanted Willie fired(me too) but did anyone think there might just be a little repercussion from the kids that became attached to their recruiter?

Buddy El

February 3rd, 2010
6:15 pm

You too Mad Dawg

GatorNation

February 3rd, 2010
6:48 pm

What do the stars really mean?? Who knows really, but probably not much when you don’t get them!

superDawg

February 3rd, 2010
6:57 pm

The dance will not start before the music.I for one can not wait until UGA hits the dance floor.

Gator hater

February 3rd, 2010
7:11 pm

A list of Uga 5 star recruits over the Mark Richt Era. [ Marquis Elmore Bust] [Kregg Lumpkin Bust} {Brandon Miller bust}{Matt Stafford all sec}{AJ Green Sec Freshmen of year ?} Branden Smith?] Richard Samuel Bust}

John

February 3rd, 2010
7:51 pm

Sometimes Georgia gets overzealous seeking the “best postition player available” than getting the players right for your system. Coaching is also a problem at Georgia, let’s hope that CMR doesn’t wait too late to get rid of Bobo.

Ace

February 3rd, 2010
10:06 pm

If things don’t work out at UT, Rogers can just sit out a year and transfer to UGA (Assuming he can learn to sing and dance on the sidelines while a game is being lost, you know like the KY game.)

Ya’ll would love him again.

The Truth

February 3rd, 2010
10:29 pm

Everyone knows that GA Tech Lies and Cheats. Why would any good football player want to play there? Only a moron would go to GA Tech. End of story.

Porty

February 3rd, 2010
11:13 pm

What a riot. When you guys are top 5 or 10 you crow like roosters. When you stumble down the stretch and have 4 guys bail on you, all of a sudden stars don’t mean much. You guys are the biggest bunch of hypocrites on the planet.

Froggy the Gremlin

February 3rd, 2010
11:34 pm

Truth, Your 10:29 post heralds: “I am an idiot”

Lane Pimpin

February 3rd, 2010
11:38 pm

It is always the school that finishes with a low ranking that says stars mean nothing and rankings are a joke. Richt recruits the worse class in recent history and he is talking about the spirit and character of his recruits. What a joke. UGA will be lucky to go .500 when this class is in its senior year. Urban takes a LOA and ends up with the best class in the country. Perhaps Mark R. should take a LOA.

BS Patrol

February 3rd, 2010
11:47 pm

The Truth,
You should rename yourself The Bull crap.

FL Jim

February 3rd, 2010
11:47 pm

Stars don’t mean a thing to GA since they didn’t get any this year! You let poor pitiful tenec beat you head to head with your #1 player and they finished higher than you in every poll??? See you in Jax and it’s going to get ugly!!!

Dr. Jesse

February 4th, 2010
1:41 am

COME ON SO CALLED FANS. Dooley was great because he kept two stars for 4 yrs. We can beat anyone if we could keep top recruits for 3-4 yeras. We go after football only students and not student athletes. If we could have kept ten of our 1st rounders who were not two stars for 4 years we would dominate again. 50 3s times 4 add up to more than 10 5s and the rest for 2 years.[5^} 50x 2 =100
.[3*] 30 x 4= 120. Stars flash but grunts who know each other NEVER lose the favored games.

Argue that.

Screw the magizines. Talk to the parents and lock them on school and let the poor money hungry punks go die a slow death in the MFL [no typo}

BuLLdawg

February 4th, 2010
2:32 am

Figure it out.

If you are ranked the number 100 player in your own state, as 7 of our recruits are, you have a 1 out of ten thousand chance of being an All-America.

Scott

February 4th, 2010
6:19 am

Don’t get me wrong, I want UGA to win at EVERYTHING, but after reading about our 16th ranked recruiting class, the lowest since 2001, I went back and looked at that “disappointing” class of 2001. Several names stood out: David Pollack, D.J. Shockley, and Thomas Davis just to name a few. The point is that recruiting is an inexact science at best, and its far more important what these kids do now that they are dawgs as compared to what they did in high school. Go Dawgs!

chazzo

February 4th, 2010
6:32 am

So, can anyone articulate the difference between a four star and five star offensive lineman? Four means he very good and five means he’s very, very good?

This is a lot of hooey. Look at UGA’s recruits. There are a lot of guys on D. No big name offensive receivers, rbs, or qbs. That’s cause UGA already has them. It would have been great for Da’rick to come to UGA, but how does losing one receiver bump the ranking down ten spots?

It is true, Florida and Auburn put together some good classes. But what is the difference btw 1 and 2? It is totally meaningless. I have seen too many highly rated recruits never blossom, and too many no-names excel.

chazzo

February 4th, 2010
6:37 am

Da facts,

UGA has always had good recruiting from outside the state. Tartis was from France. Sanchez was from California. Those are Dooley guys (if you didn’t know). My Dad told me when he was in school there, Dooley pulled a team together with a bunch of recruits from Pennsylvania.

UGA is a nationally recognized team, a power house.

chazzo

February 4th, 2010
6:37 am

The Weaver brothers were from Fla.

BuLLdawg

February 4th, 2010
6:47 am

This is not a good recruiting class for the offense again.

There are 5 you might hope turn into All-SEC or better players on defense.

On offense this year we recruited ? 0

gadawgs

February 4th, 2010
8:00 am

The sky is not falling folks. We are fine. CMR made the changes on D that we were all clamoring for and we will see a much improved product on the field this year. That improved product on the field will correlate into a recruiting class next year that we are more accustomed to. But after saying that THIS class is a VERY good class. It’s not the “top five” that we are used to but maybe these “four” & “three” star guys will be more coachable and not have the elitist I am a “five” star prima donna attitude that accompanies that ranking so many times. I would rather have guys with perceived great talent that can and will want to be coached up versus guys with perceived exceptional talent that think they are already there and it’s all about me and the NFL. I want guys with heart and desire that want to be a Dawg period. Let’s not overreact and predict doom and gloom in Athens because that is certainly not the case.

suwaneedawg

February 4th, 2010
8:16 am

BuLLdawg, although we did not get a lot of offense, the number was not 0. We signed two off. tackles that will help out tremendously. We did not need the help this year on the offense side of the ball. Now next year, if we have a class like this we are in a heap of trouble. I don’t think that will happen.

How2fish

February 4th, 2010
8:35 am

BuLLdawg nice point but as last year we got 2 of the highest ranked QB’s in the SEC and we have a stable of RB’s and OL men in addition to a couple of good TE’s and WR’s the NEED was defense.

HUNKER DOWN

February 4th, 2010
9:08 am

The dawgs lost some beef this past year on D line with akin, owens and weston graduating. Also Curran and Jones gone. However, I am excited about the new look of the defense and the talent we have on this side of the ball. Offensive line is very mature and should be good and think we will do as good or hopefully better at the qb spot this year. The running game should also be clicking. So in short Ithink the dawgs should be able to compete for the east. It will be interesting and I agree that too much stock is placed on stars. If you see every college after a certain player then that is a pretty good indicator.

gtgb

February 4th, 2010
9:21 am

neubi – what was the last championship the dogs won? what group do you think is maybe the most rabid recruiting nuts in the country. These services are a joke. Nobody hates (good old-fashioned) the dawgs any more than I do but, your puppies will not fail based on whether they were ranked 1st or 51st. Georgia got some fine high school players yesterday. The only thing that matters is will they make a difference in the 4 years ahead. Even the highest rated prospects have flopped, gotten injured, or held up a jiffy mart. Celebrate when (if) they have a great career at ga.

Reality Check

February 4th, 2010
9:43 am

Have you guys come to the realization that Florida’s program is light years ahead of Georgia’s?
Keep looking to Richt to “get some fire” and “turn the corner” guys. You’ll be waiting forever.

Murray County Mystic

February 4th, 2010
9:50 am

hey chazzo…UGA a powerhouse??? really??? while you are correct if the subject were women’s gymnastics, the adults are talking football here. I pray you keep Richt for a long, long time…

hairy

February 4th, 2010
9:59 am

lipstick on a pig… THis class is the continuation of the fall of the Bulldawgs. Time to get rid of Richt.

FLDawg

February 4th, 2010
10:05 am

well it goes either way Percy harvin was a 5 star recruit and he played like one probably like 7 stars and you have 2 star recruit like Tim Jennings who performed like 5 stars but the bottom line is its all about coaching and preparation.

chazzo

February 4th, 2010
10:09 am

On Mark Richt:

Richt’s strength first and foremost lies in his ability to build trust and confidence in his players. I have seen him put true freshmen in crucial situations with no doubt that they will succeed, and they ususally do. Ocasionally, it could be argued that he is too caring of his players. Personally, I think it is better to err in that direction. All of you who want to see Richt behave like a depraved drill seargent really don’t understand the psychology involved. BTW, I have yet to see Saban ridicule and belittle a player in public. It is just bad practice.

Richt’s other strength is his ability to learn and take new approaches. When he came to UGA, it was all about the pass and no huddle. The no huddle created fast turns; he got away from it. Tubberville tells him you got to have horses, and Richt unleashed the tailbacks. In my humble opinion, having no access to Richt personally, I would say a new phase is under way. Look for a new emphasis on agressive D and a more profound running game.

The Martinez plan was a bend don’t break attitude. Make the other team eat up the clock. They also started recruiting speedy small guys in an effort to combat the spread (this is conjecture on my part). This didn’t work. Richt now brings in a new scheme. He has shown his willingness to make tough decisions about staff. I fully accept the argument that he may have waited a season too long. I don’t think, however, that his being a good coach to work and play for is going to hurt the program in recruiting players and assitants at any rate.

The rapid fire and hire era is over. Richt is just beginning. He is at the advent of his career, not a downward spiral. It is laughable that the doomsayers look to one mediocre season after losing all fire power as evidence of this imagined downward turn. I know. I know. There is a list of stats and big game victories and SEC championships and National Titles. Save your breath. He took over a program that was poorly managed for years, and he began to manage it well. Richt now has the ability to match gameplans with players, to find the best combinations and strategies. A coach simply can’t get to this point in a short period of time. Not taking anything away from Saban’s or Meyers’ ability, but the NCs didn’t come in a single season. Things were coming together before they ever got there. It takes time for the right chemistry and the right strategy and schedule to come together. They are both excellent coaches that stepped in at incredibly opportune times.

I am looking forward to the 2010 season. With a new QB and Defense, I am not going to get carried away predicting championships. I am willing to say that this team will surprise some folks. So, let ‘em think the dawgs suck. Please, please, please take UGA lightly.

Saint Richt

February 4th, 2010
10:15 am

They don’t matter at all when Georgia doesn’t have a top 10 recruiting class. When Georgia does have a top 10 class, the star system is flawless.

Saint Richt

February 4th, 2010
10:18 am

Zander Ogletree is Georgia’s equivalent of Nash Nance.

chazzo

February 4th, 2010
10:28 am

Saint Richt,

No. They don’t matter at all ever. these rankings are as worthless and senseless as the polls and predictions that will come out midsummer. It is fun to hypothsize (and in some cases gamble), but it doesn’t mean a thing.

Saint Richt

February 4th, 2010
10:36 am

chazzo, you don’t get what I’m saying, do you? Georgia fans are all about the recruiting rankings when they are in the top 10. Its funny how they change their tune when they drop to 21st. I agree with what you are saying 100%. But go back to these blogs in years past when Georgia has a top rated recruiting class and you’ll see that people were singing a different tune back then. Its the primary reason why most Georgia fans have been predicting National Titles almost every year since 2000.

chazzo

February 4th, 2010
6:49 pm

St. Richt,

I got you loud and clear. I even thought it was funny with a little truth behind it. All this crap just kind of hits a nerve.

doug

February 5th, 2010
9:39 pm

The ratings mean a lot. The ratings are pretty accurate. These guys know what they are talking about. When you have a not so good recruiting year people like to say the ratings really don’t mean that much or don’t really know how good a kids going to be. Don’t be a damn fool. Georgia stunk it up this February and they are going to pay for it in a few years. Its all relative. If you think there is any way this class can be as good as Florida’s class in four years then you are living in a fantasy world. Oklahoma had a rough recruiting year last year but they had more than enough stockpiled to buffer it out. Georgia’s talent pool is drained and we pull in a lemon of a class. Forget about it. This is the worst class I have seen in decades.

Shankit

February 9th, 2010
2:08 pm

What was the rankings of the former DAWGS?”
Trippi, Stanfill, Scott (Jake and Lindsey), Belue,
Lastinger, Terrell Davis, Worley, Henderson,
and on and on, all winners.
Oh I forgot, this was before the internet and Scout
and Rivals.