Athens paper favors charge for North Campus tailgating

Tailgaters leave a mess on UGA's North Campus. (Elizabeth Quillin / Special)

Tailgaters leave a mess on UGA's North Campus. (Elizabeth Quillin / Special)

In an editorial published in Sunday’s Athens Banner-Herald, the paper came out in favor of UGA beginning to charge tailgaters for access to the university’s North Campus quadrangles.

The ABH noted that UGA President Michael Adams said last week that a committee looking into how to get a handle on the trashing of North Campus on game days by tailgaters had recommended that the university consider limiting access to that area of campus if tailgating crowds get too large, or start charging a fee for the privilege of tailgating there.

Adams said he would “recoil a little bit” from the prospect of charging for tailgating, but the Banner-Herald noted that restricting access to North Campus would be a hardship for those folks simply trying to get from downtown Athens to Sanford Stadium. Plus deciding when to close off the area would be problematic.

Charging for access seems to be the most workable option, the paper concluded.

“Charging a nominal fee for a tailgating permit, and issuing individual permits for specific areas of North Campus, would also allow university and athletic association officials to identify people who are trashing the campus and to take action” such as revocation of tailgating privileges, or of the ability to buy game tickets, the Banner-Herald said. “Such sanctions would serve to ensure tailgaters’ compliance with what, frankly, already should be a common standard of cleanliness and respect for the University of Georgia.”

What do you think? Is making tailgaters pay to set up on North Campus the best way to keep the grounds from being trashed?

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Jeff Owens announced on Twitter this weekend that he’s been invited to play in the Senior Bowl. … Kudos to the Dogs who made AP’s All-SEC team: wide receiver A.J. Green, linebacker Rennie Curran and punter Drew Butler on the first team, and offensive lineman Clint Boling, kicker Blair Walsh, defensive end Justin Houston and defensive tackle Geno Atkins on the second team. Not a bad showing for an off year! … Georgia drew a single vote in USA Today’s coaches’ poll, and it wasn’t from Mark Richt. Retiring FSU legend Bobby Bowden was the only coach to list the Dogs. … My son passes along a great line about the SEC championship from the Braves & Birds blog: “Now that the Crimson Tide have blown up the Death Star, how do they get up for an encore?” … For those of you who think the color of jersey or helmet worn by a team means anything other than a fashion statement, my pal Dan notes that the Gators, who again wore that retro headgear in the SEC championship, have never won a conference title wearing white helmets. Something else to cry about.

I’ll be off Tuesday and Wednesday, but the Blawg will return on Thursday.

209 comments Add your comment

Another Dawg

December 7th, 2009
4:00 pm

Steve

December 7th, 2009
4:05 pm

Who beat out Blair for 1st team PK

Andrew

December 7th, 2009
4:05 pm

I think we need to let this sit out there for a little while and see if it discourages the littering, if it doesn’t then maybe the do need to start charging. We need to avoid discouraging tailgating but taking steps to push these guys to take it serious, if not then they will have to pay for it which will have a negative effect on tailgating, but based off what we’ve seen it appears necessary because alot of the tailgaters don’t know how to take care of their own trash

Another Dawg

December 7th, 2009
4:09 pm

Steve: Leigh Tiffin. Obviously.

Grandad

December 7th, 2009
4:10 pm

Bill: Have you heard anything in regards to Andy McCollum becoming a member of the coaching staff in any capacity?

EW

December 7th, 2009
4:13 pm

Good idea to charge…littering is a problem of the masses..if one group sees it happening around them they think nothing of doing it themselves. Before you know it, North Campus is a landfill. The jerks that act like that don’t realize the University pays people to clean up the mess they made for free. It’s a lack of respect to your team to do shi* like this.

cajdawg

December 7th, 2009
4:16 pm

Four easy steps to a solution:

1)Cops ticket underage drinking among the students.
2)More trash cans.
2)Issue cititations for littering.
4)The athletic department should make it a greater priority to get tickets into the hands of alumni. There is way too much hanger-on-redneck-skank-azz-trash at UGA games- 90% of these people have no affiliation to the school except that they “love their dogs”. Rednecks litter.

Another Dawg

December 7th, 2009
4:16 pm

EW, by that logic, since tailgaters would now be footing the cost of the cleanup crew, we have a de facto license to litter. I’m paying for the service, I should get to use it. *slow clap* Great solution.

Lindsey

December 7th, 2009
4:17 pm

My family & friends have been tailgating on North Campus since 1986. We started out where the parking deck is now, so we moved from there to the Anthropology Building. Once we got there the closed the building so we did not have access to the restrooms. Then last season they started charging for that. So we moved back up to the Lamar Dodd Art Building and purchased a parking pass to tailgate there. Although I think its embarrassing & irresponsible to see the campus trashed like it has been in resent game, when UGA has a night game, the amount of trash cans and restrooms is still the same. We always carry our own trash bags if we run out of the ones they hand out. I just hope there is another way to handle this other then adding on another fee to tailgate. With the amount of money the university gets, could they not have the campus police issues citations for those trashing the campus instead of punishing everyone? Good luck Bulldogs in the bowl game, GO DAWGS!!!

Delbert D.

December 7th, 2009
4:26 pm

I always thought tailgating was supposed to be in parking lots. That’s the way the TV commercials show it, too. Easy cleanup, stuff it in the trunk/truck bed.

Nate

December 7th, 2009
4:26 pm

Another Dawg, is that “obviously” because he is a great kicker or because he plays for Alabama?

To be honest, I don’t follow college kickers that closely. However, I did notice during the SEC Championship he missed an extra point, and the announcer said that was his third this year. Should a first team SEC kicker really miss three extra points?

Nate

December 7th, 2009
4:29 pm

Anotehr Dawg, I agree with you on the pay for service logic. And to be honest…UGA rakes in so much money on gamedays I can’t believe they dare open their mouths to get after us for cleanliness when they can easily afford the cleanup crew.

You invite 100,000 people eating and drinking to your campus to celebrate the dawgs…a mess is gonna happen.

How come no one ever posts pictures of LSU’s campus or Tennessee or Florida’s campus after a big game? I would just be curious to see it…

Topper

December 7th, 2009
4:33 pm

Why is there a problem. For 20+ years my tailgating groups priorities are favorite bourbon,favorite beer, ice for the cooler, ice for the mixed drinks, Ziploc Bags and Hefty Bags for trash. They first thing that is ever done is tying the damn trash bag onto a door handle, period – no trash should ever be left on campus, any campus for that matter.

Extra trash cans on campus is not the solution, that just encourages the solvenly and they are never big enough. Taxing people will just encourage the tailgaters to leave there trash in place, as the other poster said, we are paying for it – use it mentality. I dont have a problem carrying a few 55 gallon hefty bags back form UGA games at all, but it seems I am one of the few.

The only true solution is, DONT FREAKING LEAVE YOUR GARBAGE FOR OTHERS TO PICK UP.

MT

December 7th, 2009
4:35 pm

I think it is still a little premature to talk about charging for tailgating permits. We still have not seen a coordinated effort by the University to increase the number of trash cans available nor for cleanup crews to do a mid-day sweep of full trash cans during the buildup to night games.

I agree with the above view; alumni would view that payment for the space would be almost a defacto license to trash the spot if needed.

Also, with the new fraternity houses opening up on River Road and getting more established, I think we will see less students and a slightly older crowd on North Campus on a forward basis.

chemdawg

December 7th, 2009
4:35 pm

Bill King has a bi-daily article about the north campus trash, that’s why it’s a big deal.

AceDawg

December 7th, 2009
4:35 pm

I get the point that fans shouldn’t destroy the area and that a charge could maybe offset some damage. If so, charging $1 a person seems better than people reserving spots – how can you be responsible for what other people throw and do to your tailgaiting area once you’ve left for the game or even if hordes of people are simply passing by? That said, a $1 fee could pay for extensive trash bag availability and a little more cash to pay folks to clean up the area afterwards (as well as to promote cleanliness with messages to begin with.)

Then again, this may not work at all. Good luck whoever has to make a decision because most people will be mad with any changes no matter what they are.

Another Dawg

December 7th, 2009
4:36 pm

Nate: He is Alabama’s all-time leading scorer, two FGs away from tying Alabama’s FG record, and has been in the running for the Groza for the past two years. I’m not saying I wouldn’t still take Blair over him, but he certainly has a body of work to make the argument. He’s definitely not a bad choice, and when it comes to kickers in the SEC, if it’s not Blair, it’s Tiffin, and if it’s not Tiffin, it’s Blair Walsh.

UK Fan

December 7th, 2009
4:37 pm

JUST LIKE A DOG….Leaves his CRAP all over the yard, streets and etc.

Delbert D.

December 7th, 2009
4:41 pm

A dollar? That won’t buy a regular-sized Snickers bar. After repeated publicity on the problem it seems obvious that some people go there with the clear intent to litter and trash the area.

KJ

December 7th, 2009
4:45 pm

Most of Tiffin’s kicks are chip shots due to bama’s crappy red zone offense, he only attempted one kick over 50 yards all year, and even missed 3 extra points.

I wonder if the voting was affected by Walsh missing his last kick of the season.

UK Fan

December 7th, 2009
4:46 pm

What I meant to say is, I’m a toothless hillbilly from a worthless state who should stick to basketball.

I'm sure that will fix it

December 7th, 2009
4:48 pm

Let me get this straight… UGA fans routinely trash their campus, UGA players routinely get arrested… yeah, I’m sure charging for north campus tailgating will change something. Stay classy UGA.

Georgia will ALWAYS dominate GT!!!

December 7th, 2009
4:49 pm

Bill,

Be on watch for large numbers of Vols, Gaytors and Wildcats (undercover NERDS) making daily comments on your blog….

Please be advised!!!

((((((((((((((((30-24))))))))))))))))))

Orange bowl or not WHO’S YOUR DADDY???

Jealous nerdy fools

Georgia will ALWAYS dominate GT!!!

P. Bull Terrier

December 7th, 2009
4:55 pm

The town of Athens and the Athens newspaper have had a love/hate relationship with the University and it’s students nearly forever. They love the UGA on payday, but hate it (and the students) the rest of the time. The Athens paper and the vocal citizens have always favored anything that would make Athens a less appealing place for outsiders/students. It’s not surprising they would favor a tax on tailgating. (Shhh! Don’t give Obama any ideas.)

I actually understand their position a little. I wouldn’t like if 100,000 people showed up for a party in my back yard every other weekend and left their teenagers behind unsupervised. However, I didn’t decide to live near a college campus, so it’s not the same thing.

cajdawg actually makes a good point about encouraging more alumni ticket holders. As a UGA alum, I still see the campus as an extension of my home and try to take good care of it. I’m don’t throw my trash around wherever I go, but I don’t have the same proprietary feeling about the Georgia Dome as I do Sanford Stadium. How about alumni discounts for season tickets? (Yeah, right. That’ll never happen.)

Delbert D.

December 7th, 2009
4:56 pm

ALWAYS – Always? Forever? Every year? There are pills that can help with those delusions. Check with the U of Georgia medical school for some free advice.

Dawg Whisperer

December 7th, 2009
4:56 pm

These blogs have degenerated into nothing more than mud-slinging catcalls from many who use them to express their pent-up frustration and hate. The AJC should seriously reconsider continuing this forum because of the abusive behavior of so many. Unfortunately, the worst behavior has become the norm instead of reasonable and insightful comments. Bill, you and your co-horts deserve a better fan blog and so do others who aren’t interested in reading graffitti.

Delbert D.

December 7th, 2009
4:59 pm

Dawg Whisperer – Some other blogs require logging in, as opposed to leaving an email address. I wonder if that would help.

Mike

December 7th, 2009
5:03 pm

A Tailgating Permit on campus grounds is the best solution.

Olde Dawg

December 7th, 2009
5:05 pm

Graduated in ‘92, move out West-I don’t recall the campus in disarray when I attended-it’s a beautiful majestic place- local govt./university should not have to resolve this situation-shame on the trash creators…

PhilDawg

December 7th, 2009
5:06 pm

The trashing of North Campus has resulted from several factors:
1. Removal of most fraternities from Lumpkin near North Campus. Some relocated over the Rover Road, but not all. North Campus has become a tailgate spot for these fraternites who no longer have easy walking access to the stadium.
2. The phenomenon of coming to the Classic City with out a ticket (and no plan to acquire one) has led to mass congretating in areas like North Campus. The access to the bars, etc. downtown for watching the game make NC the most favorable spot for these folks.
3. Restricting parking and zoning parking for contributors or those who purchase parking passes. North Campus is the closest, accessablie taigating area as a result of these factors. South Campus our River Road and East Campus is so far away from the stadium and the UGA gameday “vibe:.

The resolution, I believe, is to model the Grove at Ole Miss, a successful operation since 1992. I have seen the Grove so crowded it was hard to meet friends in the shoulder to shoulder crowd, but the fans seem to police themselves and the place is not trashed with litter. Allow tent and other access up to a certain time of the day, then close it down except for foot traffic. Provide set up for a fee as an option (Ole Miss has this service and you pay if you need it, you set up yourself if you don’t want to buy the service). Provide plenty of trash cans and service them during the day. Issue MIP’s, littering and public drunkeness citations. It’s easy to strike a balance with a “show of uniforms” and a “good professional” game day attitude from the professionals that are hired for game day security.

This is the University’s property. The trash is the responsibility of the lazy folks who leave, but the University is foolsh to think they can embarass this problem away. They need to embrace the fans and proactively market and execute a solution that makes UGA football the game day experiecne it has always. been. Maybe Damon can do another PSA in addition to his don’t drive and drink one and ask all BullDog tailgaters to “Cleen Up Their Tailgate” before they leave campus or have Washaun do it with a “I Clean Up This State” appeal.

Go Dawg’s Drop it in the Trash Can, WOOF! WOOF! WOOF!

Delbert D.

December 7th, 2009
5:14 pm

A permit like those used for state parks could be part of the solution. A necessary element would be policing, like the park police. Otherwise, the permit would be paid permission to litter. Write up the offenders with misdemeanor tickets, say $250, and for the onery drunks, plastic cuffs and a trip to the pokey.

rammer jammer

December 7th, 2009
5:18 pm

that’s what you get when you cater to redneck, Wal-Mart fans – you GET redneck, Wal-Mart fans – reap what you sow UGA

GaDawg

December 7th, 2009
5:19 pm

cajdawg – Four easy steps to a solution:

1)Cops ticket underage drinking among the students.
2)More trash cans.
2)Issue cititations for littering.
4)The athletic department should make it a greater priority to get tickets into the hands of alumni. There is way too much hanger-on-redneck-skank-azz-trash at UGA games- 90% of these people have no affiliation to the school except that they “love their dogs”. Rednecks litter.

cajdawg – loving the dogs should be enough. I for one never step foot into a classroom at UGA, but I pay my Hartman Fund Donation to have the ability to buy season tickets to watch the Dogs play. We leave our tailgate area cleaner than we find on most Saturdays. So if you wish to classify me as a wanna-be-redneck fan then do it jerk.

Old Dawg

December 7th, 2009
5:19 pm

Of course they should charge a fee and a hefty deposit that they get back depending on how they keep the site up.The University should use the fee for paying for employees to assist in cleaning the site up and some security. The Dawg fans in general have shown a total lack of respect for the area, although the University needs to do a much better job of patrolling and providing receptacles.

DawgInMemphis

December 7th, 2009
5:22 pm

Don’t charge folks—Ole Miss has tinkered with that through the years, and the general consensus was that it would ruin a great tradition. Tailgating in North Campus has become a relatively new tradition that the University should embrace. They just have to figure out how to run it—the grove has taken its lumps through the years, but now they have it figured out to a science.

Make a few phone calls and you’ll have it figured out. Get the dawg version of the hotty toddy potty (portable full service restrooms) and open one or two buildings with close restroom access—close down all other points except for the area to the restroom and have an official preventing folks from bringing drinks inside. Hand out trash bags to each tent prior.

Don’t ruin a great tradition before it even grows legs.

MT

December 7th, 2009
5:23 pm

The Lumpkin St removal of the fraternities, I believe, is the biggest driver of the antecedotes of more students tailgating on North Campus, as well as young alumni.

This is one of the those unintended consequences of pushing out those groups to the perimeter of campus. Why walk all the way across campus to tailgate at a River Road fraternity when you pass right through North Campus?

Somehow, make tailgating out toward East Campus more appealing. There’s more space and pushing more people out that way would have less of an impact. I don’t however advocate using a fee system to push them in that direction.

Charging a tailgate setup fee across the board would simply create more informal of a tailgating atmosphere without removing the crowds. The Ole Miss system should be more of a model than any other proposal out there.

Delbert D.

December 7th, 2009
5:26 pm

People that show up with $49 plastic & aluminum tents, beer kegs and plastic coolers in a “walking area” have the intent of leaving them behind, never mind the cost. Write the expense off as part of the “game experience.” Let the “hired help” take care of that problem.

University of Georgia, welcome to the “plantation mentality.” It spreads like mold.

SadDawg

December 7th, 2009
5:28 pm

At least we’re not the only team to get embarrassed with a uni-change-beatdown!!

AltamahaDawg

December 7th, 2009
5:40 pm

Who cares about charging. Its not a money issue. Its a responsibility issue. Just make North campus a reserved tailgating area. First come, first serve. Or offer advanced registration too. Anybody who thinks tailgating on North Campus is worthy, shouldnt mind a simple matter of picking up a pass, and showing an ID. Nothing like your NAME on a pile of garbage to make you remember a damn hefty bag.

DCJohn

December 7th, 2009
5:41 pm

How bout setting up a dumpster area where people can dump their trash? At the Souf Carolina game, right before the game when people were beginning to break down their tents, not much trash strewn about. After the game and the homeless ripped open trash bags looking for things of value, trash was everywhere. Even if someone picks up their spot to the point where it is delightful, all it takes is one bum to rip open a bag and ruin it. Charging a fee for tailgating will not prevent someone else from blowing up your spot long after you have taken responsibility for it and left it “so fresh and so clean, clean”.

Delbert D.

December 7th, 2009
5:44 pm

Off topic, but….huh? From the ajc.com headlines:

Georgia death row inmate dies 4:23 p.m.
No charges for chimp attack 4:15 p.m.

1) Isn’t he supposed to die?
2) How do you arrest a chimp? Did they Mirandize it?

Delbert D.

December 7th, 2009
5:47 pm

A part of the plantation mentality is to blame it on the lower classes.

Richard Hamilton

December 7th, 2009
5:48 pm

I agree with limiting the access to this area and fining people for littering. I don’t understand why Adams is so inclined to sit on his ass about this whole situation. It’s illegal to litter anyways, start handing out $500 fines and it all goes away. If people complain, who cares??? Stop trashing the campus!

Jefferson

December 7th, 2009
5:50 pm

They will pay, just ask for it.

go dawgs

December 7th, 2009
5:57 pm

cajdawg-
Four easy steps to a solution:

1)Cops ticket underage drinking among the students.
2)More trash cans.
2)Issue cititations for littering.
4)The athletic department should make it a greater priority to get tickets into the hands of alumni. There is way too much hanger-on-redneck-skank-azz-trash at UGA games- 90% of these people have no affiliation to the school except that they “love their dogs”. Rednecks litter.

1. What would ticketing underage drinkers accomplish besides putting money in the pockets of worthless, misguided, inept police departments? You should also know that they don’t just ticket underage drinkers, they send them to jail. Don’t think that is how the police need to be spending their time.
4. Do you have any evidence that these “rednecks” litter anymore than alumni? I certainly have never seen this trend.

Old Dawg

December 7th, 2009
5:58 pm

For the life of me, I can’t believe anyone would leave trash behind in an area like the north campus. I’ve always picked up my own trash and in many instances picked up others trash. It’s obvious a lot of folks haven’t had good home training, and don’t care what they do. The solution is simple: have campus cops ticket folks for a couple of hundred bucks when they see trash piling up around their area and the problem will quickly end. And others should use casual comments as peer pressure to clean up.

There will always be some trash whenever 100,000 folks show up, but this season was out of control. Take control UGA, or you’ll continue to be the laugh of the SEC and the nation. And we all want that to happen, don’t we?

Kingfish

December 7th, 2009
6:03 pm

Adams doesn’t want to charge? Please child. Adams would charge for air if he could get away with it. The north campus is too nice an area to become a garbage dump. It is still a college. Close it off, Mike, and put a your palace guards out there to enforce it.

FalconUGAFan

December 7th, 2009
6:04 pm

Charge..Permits..Arrests…whatever it takes…clean it up…its an embarrassment….

Cuz

December 7th, 2009
6:06 pm

This just in. The Climate Change Convention in Copenhagen has blamed UGA tailgaters for Global Warming.

Dawgstyle

December 7th, 2009
6:06 pm

One of the major problems with the scattered trash on North Campus is the scavengers who go from tailgate site to tailgate site during the game.They scatter the trash looking for alcohol, food and any thing else of value left behind. A greater police presence in the area during the game would help.
Also, the University has effectively concentrated the tailgating areas on campus by a number of things that it has done. Moving the fraternities to River Road is just one of them. I’m sure that the concentration of frats tailgating on N. Campus was an unintended consequence but in other areas of the campus they are roping off areas to make tailgating off limits.