Rivalry with UGA defines Tech

UGA fans don't view the rivalry the same way Tech fans do.

UGA fans don't view the rivalry the same way Tech fans do.

It’s a given that Georgia fans hate to see the Dogs lose to Georgia Tech.

They are, after all, our in-state rival, and you always hate to lose such a game. But aside from bragging rights, UGA fans don’t attach nearly as much significance to the rivalry as do the folks from North Avenue.

We also hate to lose to Florida, Auburn or Tennessee. In fact, the Florida rivalry has a pretty strong claim to being the biggest one in the eyes of Bulldogs fans.

Whereas with the Techies, there’s no question at all who ranks No. 1 in their thoughts 365 days a year: Georgia.

It’s an obsession at Tech. I understand they indoctrinate incoming students at orientation with the importance of hating the school in Athens. They have “to hell with Georgia” in the official lyrics of their fight song. (UGA’s fight song makes no mention of Tech, and even the unofficial version sporting a “to hell with …” line sung by the student section  substitutes whoever the Dogs are playing that week.)

Tech puts fans in the stands up on the Grant Field scoreboard video screen during a game to recite their mantra, “to hell with Georgia.” They put Bulldog stickers in some of the urinals at Grant Field. First thing Paul Johnson did after coming to Tech was declare that beating Georgia would be paramount for his team.

How large do the Dogs loom in the Jackets’ consciousness? They actually engraved the score of last year’s win over Georgia (Tech’s first in eight years) on the rings given to players the end of the season!

The lopsided nature of the results in football over the past four decades have also ingrained an insecurity in Tech fandom that even Johnson taking the Jackets back into the Top 10 can’t erase. Amid the usual trash talking this week in comments posted by Tech fans on Georgia blogs have been a surprising number of folks worrying that the Dogs somehow will pull out another win this year, despite the Jackets being the clear favorite.

I think an upset win by Georgia this year is unlikely. The 2009 Dogs are just too deeply flawed. But it could happen. And if it does, Dogs fans will be thrilled and surprised. But it will be just another Georgia win over Tech. The universe restored to its normal order.

If Tech wins, it’ll be just one more disappointment in an ugly season for Georgia fans. But in the Tech world, it will be time to put up a statue or something.

Their hatred of the Dogs is what defines them. After all, you can’t spell Georgia Tech without G-E-O-R-G-I-A!

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Brandon from Warner Robins

November 27th, 2009
2:02 pm

Well said, Bill.

Upset. UGA wins a thriller, 42-38. Washaun/Caleb carry the Dawgs to a win, and Willie’s defense does just enough to get a win.

L-Dawg

November 27th, 2009
2:06 pm

AND WE ASK ONCE AGAIN……

WHA DO GEORGIA TECH “FANS” AND UGA FANS HAVE IN COMMON?? THEY ARE BOTH OBSESSED WITH THEM DAWGS!!!!!!

GLORY GLORY TO OLE’ GEORGIA!!!

NOW BACK TO MY RETIREMENT CASTLE………

Big Sack Dawg

November 27th, 2009
2:07 pm

Kick some Yellow Fuzz tomorrow nite. GO DAWGS!

Dan

November 27th, 2009
2:07 pm

If the reason you think that UGA is our biggest rival (which it is) but Tech isn’t Georgia’s (which it is because a UGA coach is allowed to lose to Florida but gets fired for losing to Tech) is because UGA has dominated for much of the recent history, then why exactly is Florida would Florida be Georgia’s biggest rival.

Otto

November 27th, 2009
2:08 pm

It goes back longer than that. GT fans: Whats the Good Word? Answwer: THWG.

Also Old Gold used to be a UGA color until UGA first Football coach changed it because yellow “symbolized cowardice.” A couple of years later GT was the real old gold. GT defines themself with their relationship to UGA.

Dan

November 27th, 2009
2:11 pm

This was written to needle Tech fans which serves as additional proof of who Georgia’s biggest rival really is.

Bill King is an idiot

November 27th, 2009
2:14 pm

You are a complete idiot Bill.. NEXT week will define Tech’s season.. not tomorrow. You are the definition of an idiot though

G_Wayne

November 27th, 2009
2:16 pm

If insecurity in a fan base is one of your main points, then I should kindly direct you to your colleague Mark Bradley’s entry today. UGA should FORGET Florida, and maybe concentrate on more obtainable, yet equally elusive, goals…like Kentucky.

Otto

November 27th, 2009
2:16 pm

Dan – Auburn and UF have been UGA’s biggest rivals since the 50s and the decline of the 2nd half of Dodd’s tenure.

Up until the mid 90s Auburn was the game most UGA fans had circled as #1 with UF running a close 2nd. UGA has been doing well over Auburn leaving UF as the big game where victories are rare and special. Auburn has historically been very close. UGA is on their longest winning streak since the 40s or 50s with 4 wins over Auburn. However Auburn and UGA is gtting more friendly with mixed families and the long history of players moving on to coach the other team.

CMR was making a game of the WLOCP until last year with mistakes often costing CMR coached teams the game. No doubt UF has owned UGA and it has most likely moved UGA down in importance to UF fans. The game has always been very streakish. Tenn. is also in there and IMO rounding out the top 3 since the SEC split IMO. GT is down in 4th.

SBinF

November 27th, 2009
2:21 pm

Let’s see, the GT game is such an afterthought at UGA, that you write a blog post the day before the GT-UGA game about how the GT game is an afterthought at UGA. Irony, thy name is Bill King. The game could really go either way tomorrow, but with this post, I guess you’re setting up the Dawgs, should they lose, to say, “well, it’s not really a big game anyway.” Why not schedule UF for Georgia’s last game of the season, I ask?

Dan

November 27th, 2009
2:22 pm

Otto, are you talking about the series with FL in general or last year’s game? The final was 49-10. It was not a game for long, unless you’re talking about the first 4 or 5 minutes. If you’re talking about Richt against FL in general, does two of seven count as a game?

The measure of a rival is what happens when you lose. And when UGA loses to Tech the fans become unglued and the coach gets fired.

Stare

November 27th, 2009
2:22 pm

I see Georgia just don’t teach people how to Farm, but how to dream stupidity…. We are no way making UGA define us. We just want to shut those tobacco chewing/spitting, overall wearing Dawgs fans up about their football factory.

THWG!!!

new to area

November 27th, 2009
2:24 pm

lol dumb dawg took the bait

Brandon from Warner Robins

November 27th, 2009
2:28 pm

If UGA wins tomorrow do they get rings too?

reebok

November 27th, 2009
2:36 pm

Tech fan here. Looking forward to a hard, clean rivalry game tomorrow, and hoping for no injuries to the young men on either team. I also hope all the Georgia fans who come to Bobby Dodd tomorrow are treated with respect, and I wish you all good luck…in everything except the final score, of course!

dawgshack

November 27th, 2009
2:38 pm

I’d love to see their big bee deflated on Saturday night

GT45

November 27th, 2009
2:46 pm

Let UGAG lose to Tech the way they’ve lost to UF and see what becomes of this rivalry. It’s always the teams you lose to year end and year out that becomes your worse rival. IF Tech beats UGAG this year, and more than likely next, you’ll change your little, “I don’t care attitude!” I’ve been on the other end for a long time, and so have ya’ll with the Gators.

Mattie Brooks

November 27th, 2009
2:47 pm

Hey, L-Dawg, you liar. You said you were off the blogs. We were afraid that you got a job or something. So, what, you moved back in with your mama and daddy? HAHAHA!

Moving on to serious matters, it looks like the UGA bloggers have already prepared all their excuses. That makes sense, so they won’t have to stay up late Saturday night coming up with them.

The biggest and most plausible excuse: Mark Richt. You have our deepest sympathies, but please keep him forever. Please. Really.

Call it Tech 49, UGAuy 24. It won’t be close.

Mattie Brooks

November 27th, 2009
2:49 pm

“If UGA wins tomorrow do they get rings too?”

No, but if they did, the thugs would just send them to Cash-4-Gold.

Sara

November 27th, 2009
2:50 pm

The dawg died. That’s terrible! ;-)

Leonard Post Toasties

November 27th, 2009
2:51 pm

Bill,,here’s a news flash, in 2 years Ga Tech has taken over.We love our coach,he shows some passion for his troops and for his school.We are fighting for our conference title and it looks like we can do this for some time to come.UGA fans are bitching about their team and their coaches and their rivals and the refs and I don’t see any of that changing any time soon.I honestly don’t think UGA will be any better next year and the realistic UGA fans don’t see that happening either.UGA is playing 2nd fiddle to UF and ALA as long as Meyer and Saban are around thats probably not gonna change.It’s wayyyy more fun now to be a Tech fan.Tell me any of what I just said is wrong.

Biff Pocoroba

November 27th, 2009
2:53 pm

Good to see Bill and the Dawgies making excuses already. If they lose, it doesn’t matter. I guess it would matter if Georgia didn’t suck this year. Bill’s excuse on Sunday will be that losing big was actually a good thing because now they can fire Booboo and Rodriguez.

Bill King

November 27th, 2009
3:00 pm

Hey Biff:

First of all, I’m not ever going to hail a Georgia loss as a good thing, no matter what possible consequences it might have.

And in saying I don’t expect Georgia to winl, I’m not making any excuses. Reasons and excuses aren’t the same thing. I don’t expect Georgia to win because they haven’t been a very disciplined team so far and that’s what’s required to successfully defend the triple option. They’ve also turned the ball over and made way too many penalties in all but one game. That will get you beat by anybody. And they’re missing A.J. Green and Bacarri Rambo.

But I’m certainly not ruling out a Georgia win because a) if Tech plays poorly on offense, all their advantage is gone. They aren’t very good on defense. b) Georgia could defy the odds and play disciplined assignment defense and mistake-free offense. If that’s the case, I think Tech is sunk, because these Dogs have been battle-tested by a much tougher schedule.

Bottom line: The rivalry clearly means more to the Tech side than it does to the Georgia side. That doesn’t mean we don’t want to win it badly. We do. It just means we don’t think about Tech every day of the year, while clearly Georgia is on the Jackets’ minds all the time.

SadDawg

November 27th, 2009
3:02 pm

Boy, anybody watching Auburn? They are throwing everything but the kitchen sink at Bama. UGA needs to do that tomorrow nite. If we just go over to Atlanta with the same old 6 or 7 plays we’ve used this year, we’ll just be doing 3 and outs all nite. Better throw everything at Tech, offensively and defensively.

Bill King

November 27th, 2009
3:05 pm

Leonard:

All it takes to turn all of what you describe around is a great season for the Dogs and/or a lousy season for the Jackets. The way you describe Georgia Tech fans sounds a lot like Georgia fans circa 2002 or 2005. A couple of seasons in which the team has failed to meet expectations have changed that. For now. See how loyal Tech fandom is to your wonderful new coach once their competitors get used to defending that offense. There’s a reason why the wishbone went the way of the dinosaur …

Bill King

November 27th, 2009
3:09 pm

GT45:

It would take more than two Tech wins in a row to make the rivalry matter more to UGA. Basically, ever since the Jackets left the SEC that’s been the case.

duke

November 27th, 2009
3:09 pm

Another difference between UGA fans and Tech fans is that UGA fans are nice looking and Tech fans are ugly.

falcon71

November 27th, 2009
3:09 pm

Bill you must not know much about football, Tech doesnt run the wishbone

Akhil

November 27th, 2009
3:09 pm

Paul Johnson has already stated this week that the UGA game will not define the season. Of course, every team wants to win every game it plays. Tech has had a 10-1 season so far, and the main goal at this point is to win the ACC championship and the Orange Bowl. I don’t think a win or loss to Georgia would or should define Tech’s season. That being said, I would agree that the rivalry means more to Tech than it does to Georgia. Ever since the day Paul Johnson has stepped on campus, he has changed the entire mindset of the fans, infusing new life and confidence into the program. The future is very bright for GT football, and as long as PJ is still coach at Tech, Tech is going to beat Georgia 8 out of 10 times….Tech’s recruits are going to be getting better every year, and the spread option is just very difficult to stop. Its going to be hard to beat Tech unless they shoot themselves in foot by missing blocks or coughing up the ball.

GT Fan

November 27th, 2009
3:11 pm

Let’s Go Georgia Tech.

CW

November 27th, 2009
3:11 pm

Yes, Tech loves to hate Georgia and loves to beat Georgia, but your claim that beating Tech isn’t a big deal is just typical of the condescending attitude. Go ask Jim Donnan if the Tech game is big for Georgia. He lost three straight and got canned for it.

GT Fan

November 27th, 2009
3:13 pm

GT will dominate UGA and I’m gonna be laughing at how UGA get stung by the Yellow Jackets.

GT

November 27th, 2009
3:14 pm

Glad you don’t attach so much to it mutt because y’all are gonna get your butts kicked.

Sounds from the past

November 27th, 2009
3:14 pm

John Heisman, Head Coach of Georgia Tech, 1904-1919, Won 100 games, lost 28, tied 6. Opening day of practice each season he would describe a football like this, holding the football up in front of the players: He would ask, “What is it?” Before anyone could answer he would say, “A prolate spheriod. That is, an elongated sphere in which the outer leathern casing is drawn tightly over a somewhat smaller rubber tubing.” Then, glaring at the players and speaking in an very serious tone of voice he would add,”Better to have died as a small boy than to fumble it.”

That might be good advice for both teams Saturday night. Whoever doesn’t heed it will be wishing they had. May the best team win.

Dannyboy

November 27th, 2009
3:16 pm

Billy the Kid…that’s the same song the Bulldogs sing every time they have a bad year and Tech has a good year. Get over it. UGA was knocking on the door of being considered an “elite” program, but now they’re just fighting to get out of the middle. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is it’s a lot nicer being 10-1 and heading to the Conference Championship than 6-5 and heading to Shreveport (and a big whippin’ in Atlanta).

Cuz

November 27th, 2009
3:16 pm

I believe in miracles. Auburn is 14-0 over the Prince of Darkness with two minutes left in the first.

Welcome to Russ, subbing for the future UGA VIII on Saturday. He follows in the great tradition of Otto, coming off the bench for an injured UGAI IV. Go Russ, you have a big sweater to fill.

hunker this

November 27th, 2009
3:18 pm

you know why the Los Angeles Police Dept didnt bother looking for O J Simpson in Athens? Cause they knew there hasn’t been a Heisman winner seen there since 1982

Cuz

November 27th, 2009
3:18 pm

SadDawg, I hear the offense was bringing two new plays to Atlanta. That should bring the total up to eight.

45ACP

November 27th, 2009
3:19 pm

Bill I concur. The Dawgs have been their own worst enemy this year.

They can move the ball on any team. The fumbles, penalties and interceptions have killed us this year.

If, yeah know if, the Dawgs play mistake free football they can win this game.
There is not a doubt in my mind.

Gator Hater

November 27th, 2009
3:20 pm

A lot like the mutts and Florida. One team considers the other their biggest rival. The other laughs at their historic domination.

DawginLex

November 27th, 2009
3:20 pm

Anyone who refers to UGA as UGAY is doing so to mask his/her own sexuality issues.

Leonard Post Toasties

November 27th, 2009
3:20 pm

Bill,I think you’re confusing your vision of the future with what you WISH will happen. Wish in one hand and s–t in the other and see which one gets filled up.It’s not a magic offense.It’s dicipline and execution.

Cuz

November 27th, 2009
3:20 pm

One high school offense plus two middle school defenses plus another offense with eight plays. It should be a great game.

GT baby all the way

November 27th, 2009
3:21 pm

as a GT fan, if I were told you can only have one win UGA or Clemson, I would pick Clemson to win the ACC title game and play in the Orange and just live with the UGA cr@p for a year…because it is more important than this but we GT fans want 2 wins, go Jackets

Mister T

November 27th, 2009
3:22 pm

Bill, you are still one of my favorite bloggers even though as you say, “I hate uga.” You are passionate about your team and that is what this blog is supposed to be about. I just wish that there was a Tech Blogger on the AJC staff to equal your passion. I will take you to task on a couple of points in your entry today. Let me start with this story.

A couple of years ago in the middle of “Rivalry Week,” I listened to a talk show on one of the local sports Talk Radio stations. The topic was “Who Is Your Biggest Rival?” As you noted, uga is hands down Tech’s biggest rival. uga fans were quick to call in to let Tech fans know that we were not uga’s biggest rival. That distinction was held by the Gators. Oddly enough, Gator fans were quick to call in to let uga fans know that uga was NOT their biggest rival. No, that distinction was apparently still held by FSU. At the time Florida had not overcome the not so distant memory of their domination by FSU.

I listened a while and then had to call in and share my story. You see, I am a Tech Man and raised in South/Middle GA, the heart of uga country. I grew up with cousins, uncles, other family and friends that were uga grads, students, or just fans. I would always hear that condescending line, “I always pull for Tech when they aren’t playing Georgia.” Then on Sunday mornings at church they would hunt me down to give me that “good natured” ribbing when uga had won and Tech had lost. During the Pepper Rogers/Vince Dooley days, those Sundays were all too common. I knew they “hunted me down” because I was trying to avoid them. There were too many of them to get away. I surmised that my family and friends were actually liars. Why else would they hunt me down and rub my nose in it if they were “pulling for Tech when they weren’t playing georgia”?

That is how my hatred for all things uga was instilled, not by “indoctrination” when I eventually sought a safe haven and enrolled at Georgia Tech. It was the abuse I suffered at the hands of these liars that lead me to my position today. I would pull for the Taliban against the university of georgia in a tiddly winks match. Now understand, I don’t hate my friends that went to or even just pull for georgia. I just hate the team they root for on Saturdays.

I would submit that my “family and friends” actually “hate” Tech as well. You see, I don’t think they hated me but their actions demonstrated something other than “fan of Tech”. Because they were in a position of “fan strength” both in numbers and in team success they could deliver this condescending “I pull for Tech when they aren’t playing Georgia” line without having to worry about having to actually live up to what they were saying. This is just another way of showing disrespect for your rival. uga fans have been masters of this tact.

I offer that if Bradley, Barnhart & Schultz are right and the current “trend” does indeed prove to be a power shift where uga fans find themselves unable to deliver the “I pull for Tech…” line, there true feeling towards “all things Tech” will actually come to light. They really do hate Tech.

If you ask me, that is a good thing. Clean, Ole Fashioned Hate will once again be evident on both sides of the rivalry and life will be good.
Till tomorrow,
To Hell With Georgia!

keep it 100

November 27th, 2009
3:22 pm

this game gone be good

GT baby all the way

November 27th, 2009
3:23 pm

looking at the recap of the 08 game, Jonathan Dwyer running over people reminds me of you know who

Charles

November 27th, 2009
3:28 pm

It’s been a great year not having to hear “How ’bout them Dawgs?”. Tech fans are loving how UGA followers now want to downplay this game when their tails are stuck between their legs!

Mister T

November 27th, 2009
3:29 pm

One other thing Bill. uga is on the mind of Tech fans all the time because the reminders are EVERYWHERE. We can’t go into a stinking retail store without seeing something with that logo on it. It is these constant reminders along with the all too obnoxious fans that keep uga on the minds of Tech fans.

Again TO HELL WITH georgia!

CPJ rocks

November 27th, 2009
3:30 pm

you know when your team is making a name for itself, trying living in NC/SC border and the truth comes out fast. Before Paul Johnson, I would get hunted down by the team(s) we lost to, UNC, VT, Clemson, etc….but now they avoid me like the plague…they despise our school and only pretend to be for us when they are not playing us I assure you. It is funny…when GT lost to Miami, I got 25 text messages from these people rubbing it in, but we win 10 more and never heard a word out of any of them….no such thing as friendly fire when it comes to football, my team is despised when their winning and I love it!