Rivalry more bitter for some ‘cousins’

There are a lot of mixed marriages between the two schools.

There are a lot of mixed marriages between the two schools.

As the Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry returns, I have to say that I really don’t dislike Auburn fans, unlike the supporters of a couple of our other longtime rivals. The two schools share a lot of ties and have intermingled for years. We’re better than them, of course, but they don’t rub me the wrong way like some other rival fan groups.

A lot of alums and supporters of the two schools seem to feel that way, judging from what I’ve heard over the years. It’s a sentiment that was also reflected in some of the reader comments when I wrote the other day about the series with Auburn being my favorite of Georgia’s football rivalries.

As one reader calling himself Dan put it: “You really can throw out the records when these teams play. The games are usually pretty hotly contested, and it always seems that one team [ruins] the other team’s season (and it’s usually the underdog). Both programs are very similar in history and tradition and they’re only a couple hours from each other. And most Auburn fans I know are a respectable bunch. I mean, we’ll talk trash to each other, but I feel there is a genuine respect there whereas I don’t feel like that’s the case with Tech and Gator fans.”

Said an Auburn alum: “The one thing you can say about this one is that it isn’t ugly, with players or fans. I’ve been to countless games in both Athens and Auburn and both fans seem to ride the others, but with lots of respect. Anyone familiar with both schools knows that both are a great deal alike, in campuses as well as fan bases.”

Vince Dooley" "Feuding cousins." (AJC staff)

Vince Dooley" "Feuding cousins." (AJC staff)

It is, said a UGA fan going by HBTD, “the greatest rivalry on UGA’s schedule. Mutual respect by both schools’ players and fans of the other. Win, lose or draw, it’s always a hard fought game that the fans have a blast at.”

Vince Dooley, who played and coached at Auburn before becoming a four-decade fixture at UGA, summed up the Georgia-Auburn rivalry as “feuding cousins.” Pat Dye, who played at Georgia and later became the head coach and athletics director at AU, said the rivalry between the two schools is “a unique thing. It’s like playing against your brother.”

To which my pal Scott has a sharp retort: “I don’t turn a fire hose on my ‘brother.’”

Ah yes, the infamous “between the hoses” game in 1986 at Auburn does tend to come up in these discussions. And after querying some of my Bulldog buddies this week, the conclusion I’ve drawn is that the closer you live to War Eagle country, the greater the disdain you have for fans of the former Alabama Polytechnic Institute.

Pat Dye: Like "brothers." (Auburn University)

Pat Dye: Like "brothers." (Auburn University)

Said Clay: “Your attitude towards Auburn fans is based on where you live, in my opinion. I lived in Columbus (40 miles from Auburn) for over 20 years and I cannot stand Auburn fans. I know that Georgia and Auburn have been more like competitive cousins over the years rather than full-blown adversaries, but Auburn is the team I hate the most. … The mere sight of an interlocked AU on someone’s shirt or vehicle makes my blood pressure jump 20 points.”

My friend Steve chastised me for my view of Auburn fans, saying, “Personally, I am offended when you say Georgia fans and Auburn fans are alike. Can’t stand to read that. It’s not true. I hold them in disdain.”

He went on: “I know Mississippi State takes a lot of abuse about its ugly campus. Auburn is the same. Those are the two ugliest campuses in the SEC, hands-down. Before [a] big-shot in Birmingham built a few new buildings there a few years ago, 75 percent of their campus looked like Works Progress Admininstration buildings built in the 1930s. Hideous.

“And as ugly as the place physically is, their fans are worse when they win a football game. As an Alabama fan says, let them lose and keep them quiet, and they’re tolerable. The only way you can stand them. ‘War (Damn) Eagle!’ — I dread hearing it.They are worse than Tennessee, Florida, Tech, you name it. Trust me!”

Back to Scott, who says he has “never felt that ‘brotherly’ connection that is always talked about. During the Dye and Bowden eras I found them as insufferable as Gator and Vol fans.”

Scott says one thing that colors his view of Auburn is that “they’ve single-handedly cost us at least six or seven SEC titles, far more than any other rival school the past 40 years, and untold higher bowl bids.” He cites the games in 1971, 1978 (a tie that kept Georgia from being co-champs with Bama), 1979, 1983, 1985, 1987, 1988 and 2004. Conversely, he notes, there have been “times we’ve derailed their title hopes: 1970, ’82, ’86, ’96 and ’06.”

Of course, the placement of the game late in the season tends to give it that impact on both teams’ conference title hopes. And, it must be noted, although losses to Auburn may have denied the Dogs some titles, Georgia has clinched most of its SEC championships since 1959 against Auburn — many times at Auburn. Another reason it’s my favorite of UGA’s rivalry series.

In the end, though, while I may find Auburn fans less obnoxious than other rivals’ fans, it’s hard to argue with my brother Tim’s succinct summation:

“They wear orange and blue … enough said!”

85 comments Add your comment

L-Dawg

November 13th, 2009
7:01 am

GLORY GLORY TO OLE’ GEORGIA!!!!!!

HAPPY FRIDAY AND GAMEDAY EVE TO ALL MY FANS ON THIS BLAWG!!!!

WHAT DO GEORGIA TECH “FANS” AND UGA FANS HAVE IN COMMON?? THEY ARE BOTH THOROUGHLY OBSESSED WITH THEM DAWGS AND COMING ON THIS BLAWG TO TALK ABOUT THEM!!!!

I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO ATTENDING THE DAWG WALK AND CHEERING FROM THE STANDS TOMORROW NIGHT. I AM READY TO SHOW THE PLAYERS THAT THE DAWG NATION STANDS BEHIND THEM NO MATTER WHAT!!!

IF IT MAKES ME A BLIND HOMER, SO BE IT. I WILL SCREAM “GO DAWGS!!” UNTIL THE DAY I DIE.

LOOKS LIKE IT’S GOING TO BE A SIGNITURE FALL SATURDAY IN THE SOUTH TOMORROW!! WE ARE SO FORTUNATE TO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL CAMPUS TO ENJOY THE SEASON AS OPPOSED TO SOME CONCRETE JUNGLE AND MUGGERS ON NORTH AVE!!!

BEAT THE AUBURN TIGLES!!!!!!!!!

L-Dawg

November 13th, 2009
7:01 am

Saint Simons

November 13th, 2009
7:03 am

(((1-7 this decade))) hahahahahahahahaahah

(((12 wins against UGA since 1965))) hahahahahahahaha

happy days are here again

November 13th, 2009
7:17 am

war jacket

November 13th, 2009
7:23 am

Georgia football is now irrelevant, and will be for some time. Georgia Tech is getting the players they want now and all within state. Alabama and Tennessee are getting high profile players from the state as well. The bloom is off the CMR rose and it couldn’t be shining brighter from CPJ’s. The tide has turned. UGAY had a nice ride, but it’s over until CMR is fired (after next season I would bet). Georgia will only become relevant again if the future coach pans out. My hope it will be the beginning of another nuclear winter, like the Goff/Donnan era.
THWG and all their six-pack redneck fans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stangers, waiting, up and down the boulevard

November 13th, 2009
7:41 am

I feel the same way as Bill.

Auburn and UGA a very paralleled programs (despit AU being a bit less awesome than the Red and Black of course). Both respect each other enough to know the record books are thrown out come gametime. Both are true representations of what the SEC is about. Beautiful campuses in the South, pretty girls running about, and true fans who bleed passion, and don’t cheer ONLY when they get a new coach who made his first priority to steal Parkview High School’s playbook.

As the other two “pest rivalries” on our yearly agenda….. It is clear to any regular reader of this Blawg that the Nerds from Noth Ave feel like this is their blog to come on and kick sand in our face. I mean, I can understand when you are that frustrated with your losing ways, then you get a slight taste of “success” (if you define beating your obviously struggling in-state rival for the first time in 8 years, geting embarassed by a weak LSU team in a NYE bowl, and barely winning games against weak ACC opponents, and Vandy, “success”) then you need to unleash those decades of knowing you suck on somebody….right?? So I say to the bugs, enjoy it while it last, and being a realist, you may enjoy another year of having bragging rights against us. But history will repeat for Paul Johnson. Once this class of talented Jacket football players are gone (whom Johnson did NOT recruit), it will be impossible to recruit any young man who wants to play at a higher level (which be honest, every kid signs with a college that will best lead him to a NFL contract). Tech will continually get second and third tier players who will be forced to run that High School and Div II offense, and Johnson will be run out of Atlanta within the next few years.

Florida: A hard as it is to say, they have owned us for some time now. But dont you dare bring up the overall record of the UGA-Florida game to them. Those fans are in denial about that, and truly believe that UGA has never won a game in the rivalry. Even when you meet one of the 7 or 8 Gator fans who arent wearing jean shorts and belching that nice Natural Light fragrance in your face, they still look down on our program like we are completely irrelevant to the conference. All this despite winning many many more game than them the past 10+ years, and scheduling slightly less cupcake schools. The best way to describe Florida is a t-shirt I recently saw that said “University of Florida: a Football Tradition since 1991″. As long as Urban is around, they will find ways to win, but I guarantee you when he is up in South Bend, and panic that St. Tebow is gone sets in, their fans will show their true, denim, colors.

I feel like every year against Auburn, win or lose, there is a true handshake between fans, and the countdown begins at 364 days until the next one.

GO DAWGS!!!!!!!!

Gator Fan

November 13th, 2009
7:42 am

This is a must win for UGA. If they lose this one, Martinzes is definitely gone, and Richt needs to have a much better season the next year or two, unless he wishes to go the way of Tuberville.

I don’t think the UGA fanbase can stand losses to UF UT and (AUB and TECH) allegedly all in the same year. IF they do, heads will roll.

Really?

November 13th, 2009
7:44 am

Gator Fan has a point. War Jacket is an idiot. Go Dawgs!

war jacket

November 13th, 2009
7:46 am

I’m an idiot and know nothing about football. I merely copy and past the same old stuff from my other nerd buddies. I love nerds, k’nex, erector sets, dungeons and dragons, and of course snuggies.

Alvin

November 13th, 2009
7:49 am

One writer said, “Auburn is trying to prove it’s back and Georgia is trying to prove they ain’t gone.”

No truer words were spoken except for this: WAR DAMN EAGLE!!!

Saint Simons

November 13th, 2009
7:56 am

45-42 !!!!!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

GDAWG65

November 13th, 2009
8:12 am

Saint Simons and War Jacket are idiots. One 3 point win after seasons of losses – and they think they great? Rot maggots!!!!!! THWT

H

November 13th, 2009
8:13 am

I kind of understand what you’re saying, Bill. I don’t hate Auburn fans as much as I hate Florida fans, and I see how our football programs are similar. But Auburn is definitely not the institution UGA is–I can’t say that my respect for Auburn’s football program is in any way related to the disdain I feel for Auburn as a university writ large. I think we may be brothers or cousins when it comes to football, but I sure hope we’re not “related” when it comes to universities as a whole.

Fair Weather Fran

November 13th, 2009
8:14 am

As I said several weeks ago, there’s a storm coming and it’s here. It has stirred up gators, vols, yellow jackets and Bulldawg emotions. It has reduced in strength from a CAT 8.4 to a 7.5 and is heading toward a CAT 6.6 unless changes are made fast. I’ll leave the changes to all the coaches on the blog. GO DAWGS AND GATA!!!!!

GeoffDawg

November 13th, 2009
8:16 am

I’ve always had a grudging respect for Auburn in a way that I never would for Florida, Tech, or UT. Occassionally, a truly obnoxious Tiger fan will show himself to be a grade A idiot but for the most part it’s a friendly rivalry.

I will also say that hearing Rocky Top playing over and over and over for every 3 yard run off tackle is much more likely to make my ears bleed than hearing war eagle.

Fair Weather Fran

November 13th, 2009
8:16 am

Enter your comments here

benadawg

November 13th, 2009
8:18 am

I was coming out of the stadium in Auburn, a loss that year, a drunk girl got in my face yalling War Eagle!!! I am sure we have the same obnoxiousness but i hope not, I went to watch a friend of mine play with Auburn versus Florida and the people were treating me like i belonged with them, even though i had my Ga shirt on they still offered food and cold drinks, so they aren’t that bad but they ain’t Dawgs…….Go Dawgs!!!

Saint Simons

November 13th, 2009
8:27 am

I just can’t take it anymore. We have only won 12 times since 1965

m

November 13th, 2009
8:31 am

This game is soooo big that it should really be a bowl game….why don’t we name it the INBRED bowl.

Paul Johnson is going to stomp a mudhole in your beloved dawgs….mark it down.

Saint Simons

November 13th, 2009
8:32 am

ACC = All Cupcake Conference
ACC = Almost Competitive Conference
ACC = Always Completely Confused
ACC = Poorest Performing of All The BCS Conferences

Flowery Branch Dawg

November 13th, 2009
8:39 am

Leave up to the nerds to post a video on this site to show the direction of their program. Hire the Cheeta girls for cheerleaders, a couple of sports cars, and three doofy white boys who think they can “rap n roll with home-boys”. PLEASE…. how pathetic!!!

BTW… The shot of the empty High School stadium on Muggers Ave, will be 70-80% red & black come Nov 28.

TheAntiMe

November 13th, 2009
8:41 am

The thing about Auburn is it’s hard to figure out just what they want to be when they grow up. What the heck are they anyway? Tigers or freaking birds (War Eagles, whatever)?

DawginLex

November 13th, 2009
8:42 am

m,

What is Tech versus duke?

The Blowup Doll Bowl

Big time?? Not

November 13th, 2009
8:47 am

Four tickets, four hot dogs, four cokes

robodawg

November 13th, 2009
8:57 am

Gotta agree, mutual respect has been my experience with AU fans more than any other rivalry we have had, including the entire SEC, Tech and Clemson. But it’s better when we win!

war jacket

November 13th, 2009
8:58 am

Georgia football is irrelevant. Playing 100+ years and only one lousy national championship, and that year they were far from the best team. Pittsburgh proved it by beating them the following year, Walker and all. CMR brought Georgia a brief respite of respectability, but will undoubtedly be run off after another mediorcre year next year, and Georgia will then find itself were it rightfully belongs, annually competing with Ole Miss, Arkansas and South Carolina for a trip to Shreveport.

JB

November 13th, 2009
9:02 am

GATOR FAN…………………………………………………………………………………….PLEASE don’t say if we get beat this Saturday it will surely be Willie’s death nail. He left that on the field in Knoxville and Jacksonville……………………………………………..some of my die hard Dawg friends on here think we are just having a little string of bad luck. Baloney. We are very poorly coached and have made some major mistakes in recruiting( c. King over Dwyer would be one). We don’t tackle well, don’t come close to covering receivers, little or no pass rush, horrible special teams, run up the middle on 3rd and 12 as to say “we have nothing”,
reduced the play book to 12-15 plays, used a “scripted” play calling blue print based on down and yardage even my wife can predict and Continued to play B Evans at DB when Rambo is 10 times better. Continue to put players on the field based on seniority rather than ability. Anyone please add to list or tell me I’m blind or lying.

livin' on a prayer

November 13th, 2009
9:04 am

what color helmets are we wearing? jerseys? pants? maybe this week we go with red shoes to get fired up for another loss?

Saint Simons

November 13th, 2009
9:05 am

WAR JACKET, CAN WE MAKE LOVE!

JB

November 13th, 2009
9:14 am

Derek Dooley- Head Coach
Kirby Smart- DC
Hatcher( from Ga. Southern ) OC
D. Pollack- DE coach
Hines Ward- WR coach

Can we do any worse ?

it's almost over

November 13th, 2009
9:16 am

Even as disappointing as this season has been to us in Dawgnation, and it was expected by all realists, the bad news is that the War Buzzard game always means the end of the season is close at hand. This, and the fact that they eat boogers and think that the past tense of know is ‘knowed’, are the reasons I hate the Kitty Buzzards. Go Dawgs, kick the nosepickers

tuck fech

November 13th, 2009
9:17 am

I’m starting to believe ‘war jacket’ is really Mark May

it's almost over

November 13th, 2009
9:19 am

Enter your comments here

it's almost over

November 13th, 2009
9:22 am

JB, recruiting is not an exact science. Caleb, a bust so far, was rated higher than Dwyer by all of the ‘experts’. Musa and Albert Hollis were both rated higher than Ronnie Brown. Different staffs, I know, but the same point. Plus, who’s to say that if we get Dwyer instead of Caleb, he doesn’t turn out the same way? Could be the line, could be the coaching, could be the player themselves not handling the hype very well. Willie? Well, that ship has sailed, and we’re only waiting on the season to conclude.

N.FultonWAREAGLE!

November 13th, 2009
9:23 am

They asked those woofing rednecks politely over the loudspeakers to get off our well-manicured field. They insisted on rudely tearing up pieces of turf for souvenirs and deserved the ice-cold spraying they got. Okay, so turning the hose into the stands was uncalled for, but THEY STARTED IT!

t-dawg

November 13th, 2009
9:27 am

auburn as a school is a joke. period.

BG

November 13th, 2009
9:28 am

Go DAWGS! Kick some Auburn A**.

Alvin

November 13th, 2009
9:29 am

For all you dog fans! (To the tune of “Farmer in the Dell”…….)

When Auburn comes to town, when Auburn comes to town, Athens will start to shake when Auburn comes to town.

When Auburn takes the field, when Auburn takes the field, the doggies better run and hide, and to Auburn they will yield.

UGA is just a dog, a very ugly dog, all he can do is bark so save it for your blog.

There will be Glory here, and there’ll be Glory there, Victory will go to us and UGA will lose his hair.

When the Eagle flies and you hear the Tigers roar, please don’t push and shove as you exit through the door.

Cause we got Mario & Ben, Mario & Ben, wearing black won’t help you out so don’t try it again.

We’re Tigers through & through, wearing orange & blue, we’re gonna run the ball and throw some passes too.

When Auburn comes to town, when Auburn comes to town, take your dog and
hunt your hole cos Auburn’s back in town!!!!!!

WAR DAMN EAGLE!!!!

And remember (so that you’ll know the difference):

On the Plains roam Tigers and their battle cry is WAR EAGLE!!!

JB

November 13th, 2009
9:29 am

Maybe we’re listening to the wrong experts. Look, i love the Dawgs, But I read a lot of Articles other than the AJC, and i’m sick at what “they” are saying about us around the SE. No, just not one bad game, but about the state of affairs in Athens. In companies, even Church’s, when things are this bad, changes happen. I hope you are right about Willie, but I’ll believe when I see it. Sadly, he’s not the only staff change needed. Mark is more about ” nurturing “than winning big. It pains me to say that, but it’s true.

BG

November 13th, 2009
9:32 am

War Jacket, How could you possibly talk smack about the Dawgs? The Dawgs own tech. Look at the series record you idiot. Better yet just look at Coach Mark Richts record against the nerds.

tuck fech

November 13th, 2009
9:33 am

“On the Plains roam Tigers and their battle cry is WAR EAGLE!!!”

That makes absolutely ZERO since. So you are kittens in a field worshiping/being led by an eagle? Thanks for clearing it up.

gt

November 13th, 2009
9:36 am

When is the last time either school had 3 players arrested for armed robbery in mid-season?when is the last time either school’s coach slung coments at other schools before they even coached a game, and set the stage for repression of free speech by the pseudo-god SEC office? When was the last time a UGA OR AU player tried to gouge eyes of the tackled runner, in a runaway game? When is the last time either school was on probation and could not compete for a national ytitle, but bragged arrogantly as if it were a mark of greatness?When was the last time either school’s coach disrespected the other team DIRECTLY by calling time out in the last minute with a huge lead?( Get this straight lizards, when UGA rushed the field in ‘07 it was to pump ourselves, knowing we were going to get a big penalty. We did not disrespect UF. And as disrespectful and arrogant as yall have been for so long- going back to King Steve, you absolutely never have any room to talk.I hope you don’t find out who I am- I llive in Fl. you might try to gouge my eyes out). I hope and pray hat neither school’s fans in their area treat people as bad as a large number of lizard fans do to everyone else. If they do, kick them out of DAWG or TIGER fandom. They are dirt.

Someone de graded AU in an earlier blog. Their vet school is rated by many even better than ours.

Otto

November 13th, 2009
9:45 am

I agree with the general statement of the article and have been attending a few Auburn games with my cousin this year. Auburn fans are for the most respectful. The only rude fan I ran across in Auburn last year was a drunk UGA frat boy.

In the 80s the game was much more heated, my parents nearly had their van kicked in in Auburn and were there for the ‘86 Water Hose game. The schools are married in so many ways from players and coaches switching teams to divided houses. Now my cousin says they have friends that are going to Auburn after being life long UGA fans because it is cheaper. Marietta HS Lassiter and other schools in Cobb have always sent many graduates (not just recruited football players) down to Auburn. We look forward to the game, give each other some crap about past games but nothing over the top.

I said it yesterday UGA and Auburn more so than any of our other rivals tend to be up or down at the same time on average more often than our other rivals. The points and overall record of the series reflect it.

I can see the Southwest UGA fans taking Auburn more serious, Chattanooga fans take UT more serious and Valdosta fans with Florida. In Atlanta I run across more Auburn and Florida fans than our other rivals including GT. Heck I interact with more Bama or UT fans than GT fans.

Now I’m looking forward to returning the favor to my cousins and showing them Athens on gameday and another great battle between two old rivals.

The Other Saint Simons

November 13th, 2009
9:45 am

St. Simons, Mark May, and Tim Tebow like fishsticks in their mouths.

elliot

November 13th, 2009
9:46 am

Being a lifelong Auburn fan/grad and growing up around Atlanta, I have always enjoyed this rivalry – even times more than Alabama. It is a true rivalry, in that (until the last three years) there were never inane winning streaks favoring one team. That is what makes a rivalry special.

I will say, much like the state school in Tuscaloosa Alabama, there are tons and tons of Georgia fans that never attending a class in Athens. Aside from people in neighboring Opelika or Columbus perhaps, the majority of Auburn fans actually went to school there. Why else would you want to be a fan ? Some other differences: Auburn’s campus is Auburn – whearas UGA is built within a much bigger city of Athens. Georgia fans LOVE the fact that there are more bars in Athens and constantly remind Auburn fans of that. Congrats Georgia fans, you have more bars (and R.E.M). We’ll settle for Moma Goldberg’s and house party afterwards. Both schools have some very attractive women – yes, very true. Though, most will agree that more nasties will be spotted walking around in Athens.

Other than that, sure – Auburn and Georgia are pretty similar.

Bama Man

November 13th, 2009
9:47 am

THE LATEST GEORGIA JOKE – FOOTBALL!!

Otto

November 13th, 2009
9:50 am

tuck fech, The War Eagle by the most accepted legend started at the very first UGA/Auburn game as a battle cry. If you read up on it then it may make sense. Just another way of how the two schools have influenced each other.

Dr. Phill

November 13th, 2009
9:52 am

I attended Auburn as an undergraduate and have an advanced degree from UGA. The schools are similar, but Georgia does have a better campus–in particular the old part adjacent to the arch. It is a great rivalry in which the team with the poorer record frequently upsets the favorite. There have been some great games over the years. Pat Dye ran a thuggish program with criminal arrests approaching those of Richt. I was there for the fire hoses. That was Dye’s effort to emulate Mayor Daily. Half the people hosed were middle-aged Auburn fans that were just trying to get out of the stands. Being a fan of both schools, I would say that Auburn fans are better behaved. I was present at a game in the Goff era when Georgia students and fans pelted Georgia players with ice and bottles. I believe that was after a loss to Vanderbilt, and I have never seen such behavior anywhere. Georgia fans have a very short attention span as Richt is finding out. Auburn had the defacto president, Boss Lowder, and Georgia has his separated-at-birth twin, Mike Adams. Both have done lasting damage to the respective schools.

UGA_2001

November 13th, 2009
9:55 am

This rivalry has calmed down because of the change in dividsions. It always surprises me when UGA fans talk about this game as being as important as Fla or Tenn. It isn’t anymore.

Like we saw in 2007, you have to beat Fla and Tenn to win the East. Beating Auburn is nice, but the Tenn and Fla games define our season.

From Aub’s perspective, they have bigger games against Alabama and LSU. Aside from neighborly bickering, this game is not as intense or as important as the divisional rivalries.

elliot

November 13th, 2009
9:55 am

…and further. Saying “War Eagle” is essentially the same thing as saying “Go Dawgs”. It originated as a battle cry (during a UGA game, no less) and now has morphed into an Auburn pleasantry. Get over it. Does it really bother you ?

I personally think its tragic and embarrassing that Georgia (and Tenn) float out Grambling-esque uniforms from time to time, but I do not get bent out of shape about it. I also think its embarrasing that grown men and women bark and howl like dogs to generate enthusiasm for a sports team, but I’m not going to fret on that in a blog.