Tebow-Walker comparisons are bogus

The SEC record book doesn't tell the full Herschel Walker story. (Associated Press)

The SEC record book doesn't tell the full Herschel Walker story. (Associated Press)

Florida’s most celebrated player of all time scored his 49th rushing touchdown against Mississippi State, tying him with Georgia’s most celebrated player of all time for the SEC record.

But as with so many sports statistics these days, there’s an asterisk involved. Or, at least, there should be.

As the Georgia Sports Blog points out, the Dogs’ Herschel Walker actually scored five more rushing touchdowns that he doesn’t get credit for in the SEC record book because the conference didn’t count bowl statistics until recent years, and those five Walker scores came in bowl games.

Why they couldn’t have updated the past stats to include bowl games when the rule changed, I can’t begin to understand. It’s not really fair to all the great players from the years before the rule change, but unfortunately that’s the way it is. Life isn’t fair, especially life in the SEC.

The blog also notes that it has taken a lot more games for Tim Tebow to catch Walker in the record book, since Herschel only played in 36 games total, including bowls, and only 33 that count in the record book. Tebow has played in 48 games so far, 34 as a starter.

The bottom line is that SEC records achieved nowadays don’t really match up with those from yesteryear. The comparisons are worthless. That doesn’t mean the players like Tebow setting conference records today aren’t great athletes and deserving of recognition. It just means that, as anyone who saw both men play can attest, Tebow is no Herschel Walker, no matter how loudly Gator fans crow in the future.

Still on the subject of the record, David Hale of Bulldogs Blog raises an interesting question: “Out of everything that’s at stake in this game,” he asks, “where does ‘not letting Tebow break the record against Georgia’ rank on things fans want most this week? If I told you that Georgia would lose by 20 points, but Tebow wouldn’t run for a TD, would that be enough of a silver lining?”

For me, the answer is no. I love Herschel and venerate him as highly as any UGA fan, but having that record eclipsed by Tebow won’t diminish No. 34’s impact on the game or his place in college football history one bit. And, let’s face it, unless his college career were to suddenly come to an end, the record is going to be Tebow’s before his playing days are over, even if he doesn’t run for a TD against Georgia.

I’d gladly give Tebow the record in exchange for a win by the Dogs. Wouldn’t you?

I’ll be off on Tuesday, as usual, but the Blawg will return on Wednesday.

235 comments Add your comment

George "Kingfish" Stevens

October 27th, 2009
9:15 pm

It always be’s dem referees what messes us up when we’s lose. I is still regusted!

ES

October 27th, 2009
11:06 pm

Looked it up 24 of Tebows TD’s are one and two yard runs.30 TD’s 3 yards or less.He has only 6 TD runs over 15 yards and a number of them was against the patsies.

macrotech

October 28th, 2009
12:16 am

e, we’re not….we’re posting on the UF portion of this blog!

nodawg

October 28th, 2009
1:02 am

Walker played at a time when players were small and slow and he was the exception. If he played for UGAG today you couldn’t tell him from Samuels and you know how good he is. By the way, is he now second or third string?

Gridiron Bill

October 28th, 2009
1:25 am

At least Tebow had the decency to fulfill his 4 year commitment. Hershel jumped ship to the USFL.

dawes

October 28th, 2009
2:08 am

cry baby wont have to give ga any ga defense will do that for us is will be nice to see tebow go out a loser meyer talked about ga running on the field after the touchdown i give that a 10 but when he called time out with a 49 to 10 lead that was stuid as it get so he got no room to open his big sorry mouth all he is acry baby wegot class thatsomething youwill never have it is good that we have class

dawes

October 28th, 2009
2:13 am

nodawg in your dreamsthat ga team will beat this fla handdown no compassion that defennse would sack tebow 10 times

what?

October 28th, 2009
3:07 am

Tebow is a quarterback Walker was a running back. How can you not give him credit for that accomplishment. Bill you need open your eyes Tebow is one the best college players of all time.I am neither a gator or bulldog fan. Also how many rings does he have versus how many ring Walker has. I guess that was some kind of shot about going pro, like walker was stellar in the pros give me a break.

KJ

October 28th, 2009
3:15 am

“At least Tebow had the decency to fulfill his 4 year commitment. Hershel jumped ship to the USFL.”

LOL, I didn’t realize that Hershel (sic) had promised anyone he’d stay 4 years. He “jumped ship” because he was offered millions to do it. The only reason Jesus Boy is still at UF is because he’s going to be so bad in the NFL that Ryan Leaf will be laughing at him.

Dawg Killer

October 28th, 2009
5:54 am

I can sure tell how many of these bloggers played football. Realize how hard it is to score a touchdown inside the 5? Especially for a QB? All Herschel had to worry about was “give me the ball”. When you throw in being the “thinking & leading” part of being the general over 10 others, there’s a whole new perspective.

CornieBread

October 28th, 2009
6:39 am

He didn’t score as many TDs as Hershel or Tebow, but having seen BO JACKSON run for Auburn(and I’m not even a War Eagle)I would pick him on my team before Hershel. That guy was something! Too bad his career was cut short in NFL.

George

October 28th, 2009
8:27 am

L Dawg. You are a complete moron. You make me sick.

John

October 28th, 2009
8:31 am

Note to self:
Do not respond to any more sports blogs about Tim Tebow. Better yet, don’t even freaking read blogs about Tim Tebow.

How does one football-playing kid with a deep-rooted faith and a devotion to his fellow man turn legions of heterosexual men into a gaggle of enthralled teenaged girls?

OK, so Tim’s an All-American at the most glamourous position in the most glamourous of American sports. And he definitely has a flair for the dramatic, don’t he? All that fist-pumping and yelling that punctuate his every first down run. How inspiring. How leadershippy!

The greatest player in NCAA history he is – so declare the rank and file of his fan club. Come on fellas. The guy’s good – damned good; but the greatest of all time?

Were I a doctor, I’d suggest you Tebowettes lace your morning Wheaties (do you have your collector’s box with Tim on the front yet?) with 50 mgs of salt peter. Repeat the dose once each morning until your man crush subsides. You’ll thank me for this. And so will your wives and girlfriends. They’ve been feelin’ a bit neglected lately.

Athens_Gator

October 28th, 2009
8:33 am

Come on uga fans, it is time to make plays not excuses. Go Gators!

GatorG

October 28th, 2009
8:42 am

STUPID…so tebow matached TDs in 48 versus 36 games. So?!? He only had 87 rushing attempts his freshman year. That’s about the equivalent of 2 games for Walker. Additionally, Tebow tied Walker in the 6th game this season. So enough about how many games or how many seasons.

Look at ATTEMPTS…Walker TDs are from 994 rushing attempts; Tebow matached in 596 attempts. I’d say Tebow’s touchdown/attempt ratio is almost 2 times better.

None the less, they are both great, but everyone will always be biased.

uuughh...

October 28th, 2009
8:46 am

Dawg Killer…you know right before the snap when the entire Florida Offense turns and looks at the sideline? That is the OC getting them in the right play based on the Defense’s formation. In other words, Tebow isn’t doing any thinking on his own…same with Bradford and McCoy. None of them are doing any thinking on the field.

Don’t give many any of this garbage that Tebow is smarter than Walker just because he plays QB. Have you SEEN Tebow in interviews? He sounds like a whiny 8th grader reading in front of the class for the first time.

Walker might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer but I think Tebow might be as dumb as a bucket of hair.

Post game interview with Erin Andrews:

Tebow: “and umm…and umm…and umm…God and umm Jesus.”

Andrews: “That’s all the time we have with Tim Tebow folks. Thanks…for the uhhh…interview?”

Tebow: “…and umm thanks for having me.”

Andrews: “(Sighs and says under her breath but still picked up on the microphone) With this idiot and his ‘and umms’ and Corrine Brown thanking Corch Meyers and Percey Harvey, it is a wonder my degree is worth anything more than toilet paper.”

Go Gator!

Shug

October 28th, 2009
8:53 am

The Bulldogs will always have Herschel as we continue our slide to obscurity. . . .

Gen Neyland

October 28th, 2009
8:55 am

Not trying to stir the pot but how many TD’s did Herschel throw..?

gatorsam

October 28th, 2009
9:01 am

More crocodile tears from someone who bleeds red and black and sees things only through a Dawgs eyes. The bottome line is Tebow, a great football player, is going to break the record of another great football player! End of story for he unbiased, but I am sure the Dawg will still whine. Some teams bark!! Some teams bite!! Chomp! Chomp!

Mean Dean

October 28th, 2009
9:09 am

Bill–you may not have heard, but Tebow is a QB and Walker was a RB. While you’re comparing apples to oranges, how many TD passes did Walker throw? Tebow’s thrown 75.

uuughh...

October 28th, 2009
9:17 am

sam…mine are tears of joy at the thought of never hearing Tebow’s name again after January, except for maybe the 4th round of the NFL draft.

Is he good? Sure. He is the Paris Hilton of College football…and his overexposure is tiresome to real live college football fans.

gatorsam part of your post is correct…you certainly do bite.

kevin

October 28th, 2009
9:19 am

I got one statement…..”If you think there is any comparison between Tim Tebow and Herschel Walker” then you are a football retard, point blank. Tim Tebow isn’t even in the top ten best players……my God, how ignorant some people are!

kevin

October 28th, 2009
9:25 am

Oh yea, and look at the length of Tebow’s touchdown runs……95% of them were inside the damn 5 yard line……how many 80 yarders does Tebow have?????????? Herschel popped numerous 75 yard runs……Meyer just lets Tebow get the glory after Percy Harvin got them in scoring range. Thats like a dad coaching his son at the recreation dept. and making sure he gets the TD after the tailback and recievers have done all the work. Tebow will be a bust in the NFL…..remember Gino Toretta???? Lol

uuughh...

October 28th, 2009
9:35 am

I think Tim Tebow leads the universe in not called or overlooked Celebration Penalties too. Is that statistic tracked anywhere?

One overlooked penalty per TD, first down, and 3 yard gain over 4 years has to number in the thousands right?

You figure this stat into the QB rating, doubling the score for each instance and Tebow’s career QB rating would be in the billions.

Can we get a Tech poster to confirm some math please?

uuughh...

October 28th, 2009
9:42 am

As long as we let him play by different rules, we might as well come up with new statistics for him too!!

We need further proof that Tebow is the greatest person to ever walk the earth.

You suck Leonardo Di Vinci, Tim Tebow is about to break Hershel Walker’s TD record.

TS

October 28th, 2009
10:43 am

The game has evolved in the 30 years since Herschel left. D lineman are no longer 225 lbs like they were back in the 80’s. Should we take that into cosideration?

Let’s just look at UGA…

Their linebackers in 1980 were 5′10″ 205lb, 6′0″ 201, and their biggest was 6′2″ 218lb

Let’s compare that to today… 6′3″ 255lb, 5′11″ 225 lb, 6′0″ 240lb

As long as we are giving out a handicap to Herschel lets give Tebow some credit too. How is Herschel’s MMA contract?

JLC

October 28th, 2009
10:54 am

Tebow is QB you backyard bum, not a RB. It is much more impressive that a QB is scoring all of these TD’s than a RB. HW has his place, but TT is a legend in the making. Both do have in common that their NFL careers will be shortlived.

How2fish

October 28th, 2009
11:46 am

Folks inside the 5 Tebow is a fullback..most of the time with another fullback blocking for him as well as the O line…hell he’s bigger than most fullbacks..he is the best passing fullback of all time granted..

Herschel no big deal in the NFL huh?

October 28th, 2009
12:29 pm

Some fool above said neither Herschel nor Tebow will/did do anything in the NFL. While it remains to be seen for Mr. Tebow:

In 12 NFL seasons, Walker gained 8,225 rushing yards, 4,859 receiving yards, and 5,084 kickoff-return yards.[11] This gave him 18,168 total combined net yards, ranking him second among the NFL’s all-time leaders in total yardage at the time of his retirement; as of the start of the 2007 NFL season, ten years after his retirement, he still ranks eighth.[12] He also scored 84 touchdowns: 61 rushing, 21 receiving and two kick off returns for touchdowns.[11] Walker is the only player to have 10,000+ yards from scrimmage and 5,000+ return yards (all of which were on kickoff returns). He is the only player to gain 4,000 yards three different ways: rushing, receiving, and kickoff returns. He is one of six players (Jim Brown, Lenny Moore, Marcus Allen, Marshall Faulk, and Thurman Thomas) to exceed 60 touchdowns rushing and 20 touchdowns receiving. Another NFL record he possesses is that he is the only player with a 90+ yard reception, 90+ yard run, and a 90+ yard kickoff return all in the same season (1994). He is also the only player to record an 84+ yard touchdown run and an 84+ yard touchdown reception, in the same game (December 14, 1986). That same day, he had 100 yards rushing and 100 yards receiving. Walker is currently ranked eighth all time in all-purpose yards with 18,168, despite spending his first three seasons in the USFL.

Fool.

Herschel no big deal in the NFL huh?

October 28th, 2009
12:37 pm

Oh and Mr. Neyland, when did UT produce it’s first 1,000 yard rusher? Who cares about “how many passes HW threw”?
Herschel was a running back. The best ever. No one doubts that if he’d stayed for his senior year he would have walked away with the all-time collegiate rushing record. When UGA came onto the field, EVERYONE knew what they were going to do. Teams keyed against the run but Georgia would keep on pounding it out. Some games Herschel would get hundreds of yards and others not quite as many, but there was NO DOUBT how Georgia was going to come at their opponent, but no one stopped it. Few others even slowed it down.

Some Gator above says that Tebow is going to break “the record.” More like “a record.” Tebow hasn’t ground out his yards up and down the field and then punch it in. This isn’t the only record Walker owns in the SEC.

Binco Johnson

October 28th, 2009
12:48 pm

Yeah Herschel only had ~900 or so rushing attempts to Tebow’s ~500….way better…LOL

jmp

October 28th, 2009
1:27 pm

who gives a crap. AJC and all of the sports writers do nothing but write about UGA and complain about everything. these are biased bloggers…thats right bloggers crying about a record being broke. GET OVER IT!! records are meant to be broken. is it timmy t-bags fault that they started counting bowl stats in 2002? no its not. your junkyard blawg is nothing but junk. AJC and their “sports writers” need to all be fired because its the same crap over and over. UGA got cheated, Braves suck, Tech is the best (this week), tech sucks (next week.) get a life and go kill yourself.

mightyKC

October 28th, 2009
2:27 pm

HERSCHEL’S CAREER CARRIES: 955
TIM TEBOW’S: 596

STFU you dawg whiners! another season doesn’t mean anything if someone gets the ball 30 times/game vs. one only starting for 3 seasons and scoring 80 TDS ALSO while throwing.

all you mutts conveniently leave out the carries….typical.

how2fish

October 28th, 2009
2:44 pm

mightyKC if you take away the carries Tebow has inside the 10 you drop that number by half..what is your point do you even know?

you spilt your spitter on your wife beater..

October 28th, 2009
3:29 pm

If you ask one of these 20 year old players for Georgia or Florida who Herschel Walker is they’d probably say, “that’s that MMA fighter with schizophrenia”