Tebow-Walker comparisons are bogus

The SEC record book doesn't tell the full Herschel Walker story. (Associated Press)

The SEC record book doesn't tell the full Herschel Walker story. (Associated Press)

Florida’s most celebrated player of all time scored his 49th rushing touchdown against Mississippi State, tying him with Georgia’s most celebrated player of all time for the SEC record.

But as with so many sports statistics these days, there’s an asterisk involved. Or, at least, there should be.

As the Georgia Sports Blog points out, the Dogs’ Herschel Walker actually scored five more rushing touchdowns that he doesn’t get credit for in the SEC record book because the conference didn’t count bowl statistics until recent years, and those five Walker scores came in bowl games.

Why they couldn’t have updated the past stats to include bowl games when the rule changed, I can’t begin to understand. It’s not really fair to all the great players from the years before the rule change, but unfortunately that’s the way it is. Life isn’t fair, especially life in the SEC.

The blog also notes that it has taken a lot more games for Tim Tebow to catch Walker in the record book, since Herschel only played in 36 games total, including bowls, and only 33 that count in the record book. Tebow has played in 48 games so far, 34 as a starter.

The bottom line is that SEC records achieved nowadays don’t really match up with those from yesteryear. The comparisons are worthless. That doesn’t mean the players like Tebow setting conference records today aren’t great athletes and deserving of recognition. It just means that, as anyone who saw both men play can attest, Tebow is no Herschel Walker, no matter how loudly Gator fans crow in the future.

Still on the subject of the record, David Hale of Bulldogs Blog raises an interesting question: “Out of everything that’s at stake in this game,” he asks, “where does ‘not letting Tebow break the record against Georgia’ rank on things fans want most this week? If I told you that Georgia would lose by 20 points, but Tebow wouldn’t run for a TD, would that be enough of a silver lining?”

For me, the answer is no. I love Herschel and venerate him as highly as any UGA fan, but having that record eclipsed by Tebow won’t diminish No. 34’s impact on the game or his place in college football history one bit. And, let’s face it, unless his college career were to suddenly come to an end, the record is going to be Tebow’s before his playing days are over, even if he doesn’t run for a TD against Georgia.

I’d gladly give Tebow the record in exchange for a win by the Dogs. Wouldn’t you?

I’ll be off on Tuesday, as usual, but the Blawg will return on Wednesday.

235 comments Add your comment

Bob Horner stayed hurt

October 26th, 2009
5:44 pm

Mad Dawg…that was a gut shot..you’re correct…I am worried about getting taken to the woodshed…I wonder what the line is in Vegas 15pts..?? I have no clue…The dawgs have a plethora of issues….but lack of fundamentals and a lack of heart is what hurts the most as I’m watching the game on TV…drinking beer and pouting…..

Nesbittch and the WannaBEES

October 26th, 2009
5:51 pm

A QB run frees up an extra man to block. Jus sayin

The ACC is the premier college football conference.

Nesbittch and the WannaBEES

October 26th, 2009
5:54 pm

Choco you typed Teblows name like 10 times in that post. Obsess much?
If he played in the ACC he would just be another avg fullback.

Geezguys

October 26th, 2009
5:56 pm

You know the puppies are crying when they start talking about anything but the REAL game. Better to concentrate on some theoretical matchup of Walker vs. Tebow. Nobody can ruin a celebration in fantasyland.

secondguesser

October 26th, 2009
6:07 pm

Thank God for a history button on the ole computer!!! The homers at this paper didn’t let this one stay on the front page for maybe twenty minutes! Anyway, I guess these former players/coaches don’t know near as much as you gridiron greats!!!!

http://www.ajc.com/sports/uga/dooley-dye-have-never-174198.html

Mikey

October 26th, 2009
6:07 pm

#34 handed the ball to the official and quietly walked away. he acted like he had been there before.
#15 gestures so hard you would swear he would have dislocated his arms by now.
…..enough said.

mowreck

October 26th, 2009
6:08 pm

I tell you what, and this comes from a GT fan. Herschel gave out concussions … he never took one like Tebow.

Delbert D.

October 26th, 2009
6:10 pm

How about William Perry of Clemson? I don’t think he ever threw a pass, either.

Delbert D.

October 26th, 2009
6:14 pm

Seriously, I say Herschel, and there is no comparison. I don’t think they kept stats on how many runs over 50 yards, 20 yards, etc. back then.

Delbert D.

October 26th, 2009
6:21 pm

secondguesser – thanks for the link. Billy Cannon’s comments, especially. His FB running mate at LSU was Jim Taylor, who played beside Hornung with the Packers. Taylor was the only guy other than Jim Brown to lead the NFL in rushing during Brown’s 9-year career.

Cory

October 26th, 2009
6:26 pm

What a complete utter IDIOT Mike Slive is- HOW ABOUT DOING SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR LAME SLIM WE CALL SEC OFFICIALS AND QUIT WORRYING ABOUT COMMENTS BY COACHES. FOR GODS SAKE GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND. WHEN IS THE NCAA GOING TO STEP IN AND DO SOMETHING. MIKEY CLEARLY HAS NO CLUE

Call it Like It Is

October 26th, 2009
6:32 pm

Tebow as a QB you have to have more skill and leadership qualities than a running back.

Plus, Tebow = class and another possible Heisman.

Enough Said!

m

October 26th, 2009
6:33 pm

The main reason that the Tebow-Walker comparisons are bogus is that Herschel is not around to help the dogs, but Tebow is around to help floriduh.

Having said that, the sec is so weak this year that there is not a dimes worth of difference between a so-called good team like floriduh, or a pitiful team like the dogs.

So if you dogs weren’t such a bunch of quitters and crybabies you probably could win the game.

Vince's Dooley

October 26th, 2009
6:42 pm

you UGA fans need to get over what the he!! went on 29 years ago, that is what is wrong with all of you, your all living in the past and nobody cares…thank God there wasn’t any KoolAid to give out back then, you all would have drank it….

Dorsey Hill

October 26th, 2009
7:14 pm

Choco,

Can I have soime of what you’re smoking? Defense’s are better now than in 1980-82? I can only assume that you weren’t alive then or at least not old enough to watch TV. In terms of aggression, brutality and ferocity, the game today is not even close. Today’s game is much more of a finesse game than it used to be. It used to be that you’d just line up and beat the hell out of each other for 60 minutes. There was no trickery, no spreading the field, no looking for mismatches in the secondary, it was truly a battle of wills. QB’s were largely irrelevant in the college game because they weren’t protected like they are today and you certainly wouldn’t want them running the ball 25+ a game like Tebow does now. If he tried that against our 1980 team, Eddie “Meat Cleaver” Weaver would have Tebow’s head on his mantle. If we could show up with our 1980 defense Saturday afternoon, I think we’d have a better shot simply because Erk and crew would scare the hell out of ‘em. Today’s player’s are faster, stronger and more well conditioned, but they ain’t even close to as mean.

Georgia Dawg By Way Of Las Vegas

October 26th, 2009
7:23 pm

Just a quick point and I’ll leave you all alone.

Does anyone really think Tim Tebow will crash through NFL front lines like he does in college?

Seriously … ?

They will break the kids back!

Nuff said! (smiling)

Baton Rouge Dawg

October 26th, 2009
7:24 pm

Whats Tebows longest touchdown run? Like 30 yards?

Georgia Dawg By Way Of Las Vegas

October 26th, 2009
7:27 pm

Eddie Weaver! God … what an athlete!

Good one Dorsey!

yarddawg

October 26th, 2009
7:35 pm

Well, I’m a georgia fan, and i’m not gonna try and be bias. As far as college goes, I think that Herschel Walker was one of the greatest if not the best. (Just an opinion) But, here we go again, opinions are like azzholes and everybody has one. Tim Tebow, hard not to say he is not one of the best quarterbacks of all time in college, not to mention pure athelete and leader. Saying that, I think, Bo Jackson was and if not would have gotten a career ending injury, probably the best overall athelete ever. (At one time ran the 100 in less than 10 secs at 230 pounds,in major league baseball hit the ball at a good average with consistent monster homeruns,(hit a few at least 480 to 500 feet) plus at his size would go up walls to steal homeruns,cut off balls in gaps and down the lines and could steal bases. Oh yeah and their is his collegiate career at Auburn and not to mention he could dunk a basketball!

Georgia Tech

October 26th, 2009
7:37 pm

Again worrying about some silly record set by a guy 30 years ago aint going to stop Teabow! Start worring about how yall are going to stop teabow. Hey and btw when yall DO beat Florida this weekend the Gators BETTER drop down past us in the BCS.. Dang it!!!

Georgia Tech

October 26th, 2009
7:42 pm

Dorsey Hill,

If you played with the Defense form 1980, 30 years ago you might as well spot them 50 points!! The speed of the game is faster today than it EVER was!!! You have a defense NOW that is good enough to edge out the game…talk about what you would need to do to win with what you got instead of a 30 year old Defense..

yarddawg

October 26th, 2009
7:46 pm

Well, heres a thought, why don’t we put it to rest and just keep our opinions to ourselves and think about this one, What if a team in college(pick your favorite) had Bo,Hershcel, and Tim in the same backfield, say like in 1983? When both Herschel and bo could have still been in college and pretend Wayne Peace is Tim Tebow. Now I don’t care what era or what defense you had with your super duper coordinator, they prob would have won by 40 to 50 points in every game. what ya think? LOVE IT UP HERE AT COLLEGE MOMA, SEND US SOME MONEY!

ohiodawg

October 26th, 2009
7:47 pm

Hey “Duh”. Name me one linebacker playing in the sec now that weighs 260 lbs. Also, if the defenders were smaller back then, than so were Walkers o- linemen.

Georgia Tech

October 26th, 2009
8:16 pm

Yarddawg,
The Game is REALLY won and lost at the Line of scrimage…
This is the thing the Dawgs (the fans at least) are forgetting. Floridias Oline is most likely one of the best in College football. Their Oline is whats Makeing Teabow so great right now.

This year also Florida has as good if not better Defense than LAST YEAR!! They have won 70% of their games this year on this side of the ball.

yarddawg

October 26th, 2009
8:22 pm

You are so correct, and I think that Georgia Tech will beat us again this year, nuff said?

yarddawg

October 26th, 2009
8:25 pm

WITHOUT MATHEW AND MORENO!

45ACP

October 26th, 2009
8:28 pm

I read somewhere that the 1980 UGA O line did not have a guy over 260 lbs.

yarddawg

October 26th, 2009
8:30 pm

I read somewhere, that Jawja was gonna win against the Gayturds this weekend?

Schlagdawg

October 26th, 2009
8:32 pm

“Again worrying about some silly record set by a guy 30 years ago aint going to stop Teabow! Start worring about how yall are going to stop teabow” – Georgia Tech @ 7:37 PM

I don’t know bout the rest of y’all, but since I’m not coaching UGA, I think I’ll keep relaxing and reading sports blogs.

yarddawg

October 26th, 2009
8:34 pm

After that last 400 yard passing game that Tebow had, in his up to date college career, The media ask how did you do that against such a great defensive secondary, and he said”The ball ain’t so heavy!”

45ACP

October 26th, 2009
8:35 pm

My heart says that the Dawgs will win.
It starts 0-0. If the Dawgs show up and play well they have a chance.
I just don’t want to see a blow-out.

yarddawg

October 26th, 2009
8:37 pm

well cut the grass one last time and don’t watch the game

:)

October 26th, 2009
8:42 pm

Georgia Tech – Don’t know where you are getting your information, or what games you have been watching, Gators OL has been getting boat raced the last three games.

45ACP

October 26th, 2009
8:44 pm

faith, hope and love.
I have all 3 for my Dawgs.

45ACP

October 26th, 2009
8:49 pm

Like Cuz posted earlier. Give it till half time and have plenty of alcohol on hand.

Dorsey Hill ???

October 26th, 2009
8:53 pm

Where’ve u been, Dorsey ?

Dorsey Hill ???

October 26th, 2009
8:54 pm

Folks might think you’re a fair weather fan.

TampaGator

October 26th, 2009
9:07 pm

Hershel played in 1980. Tebow currently plays in 2009. Hershel was a RB. Tebow is a QB. Hershel played on one NC team. Tebow has played on two. There is nothing else to compare. The two players are simply two of the best college football players in their time periods. PERIOD. The rest is worthless posting or discussion. Plus, a rushing TD is a rushing TD no matter how or who does it. PERIOD. Rusing TDs do not make one player better than the other or make me think less or one or more of another. Let’s just play the game on Saturday. As always, the only thing that matters in the final score. The game should be a good one to watch. Good teams. Good match ups. Lots of talent on both sides. Typical SEC football…TODAY. Let’s focus on that instead of all the Hershel vs. Tebow nonsense.

Bama Boy

October 26th, 2009
9:09 pm

Rest easy Dawg fans, Georgia 31 Gators 24

Matt

October 26th, 2009
9:20 pm

Hry Mike I dont know if you ever followed pro football but Herschel is in the top 10 all time in the NFL in all purpose yards. He was top five when he retired but other great players have come and gone since then.

Cuz

October 26th, 2009
9:22 pm

Dawgs have 5 interceptions, Gators have 12. Dawgs have recovered 11 fumbles by opponents, Gators 2. Dawgs have 14 sacks, Gators 23.

Dawgs have allowed 138 yards rushing per game, Gators 95. Dawgs have allowed 234 passing yards per game, Gators 140.

Keys to the game. Joe Cox will have to get protection from his O-line and RB’s so he can get the ball to his receivers. Florida will stuff the run. Establish the pass with Green, Charles, Brown and Wooten. Establish the run after the pass. If UGA starts with the run we are looking at a lot of three and outs.

Get to Tebow. Bring the heat early and often. Disrupt Tebow and you can disrupt the UF offensive game plan. Florida has a better D than last year but their offense is not as good. Harvin has not been replaced.

GATA DAWGS!!!
(translation) Get After Tebow Aggressively Dawgs!!!!

SagaciousSamDawg

October 26th, 2009
9:22 pm

Tebow by far is the most determined competitor; but to be fair consider this: UGA did not play a full 12 game schedule as teams do now, Walkers team did not play in any SEC championship games, and Walker probably did not play nearly as many full games as Tim Tebow. ** It should be faily noted however that the defenses today are far more stout and difficult to score against than in Walker’s day.

War Eagle

October 26th, 2009
9:24 pm

Hershcel and Bo best running backs in SEC history but Tebow is best all purpose player in NCAA history with 2 NC and maybe three in 2009.He has won more National Championships than any active coach in SEC. Give him credit Dawgs..good luck in Jacksonville. Time might be right for upset.

Cuz

October 26th, 2009
9:26 pm

Will Witherspoon is having a great night on Monday Night football. A few minutes ago he took and interception or fumble, I was too busy typing to follow it, into the end zone for a touchdown. He just recorded a sack. How bout that Dawg.

dawes

October 26th, 2009
9:38 pm

tebow will not ever see the day he is as good as walker who had more rushing yards go walker tebow who

: )

October 26th, 2009
9:39 pm

Tebow is a coach now?

45ACP

October 26th, 2009
9:40 pm

In 2007 the Dawgs sacked Tebow 6 times. Cuz – You are right on about GATA.
The receiver is never open if the QB can’t see him.

45ACP

October 26th, 2009
9:50 pm

The Gators miss Percy Harvey (I know) and Dan Mullen.
Their defense is awesome but their offense just doesn’t click like last year.

dawes

October 26th, 2009
9:55 pm

to the dummy that said that was ga only thread what about scott and warner and the rest of ga defense have you for got about them know what you are talking about before you open your big mouth

dawes

October 26th, 2009
9:57 pm

this fla team could not tought that walker team no way about it