Two-minute drill: Could 1980 Dawgs win it all today?

1980 national champions. (University of Georgia)

1980 national champions. (University of Georgia)

We’ll head into the weekend with fingers crossed for a must win in Nashville and some quick reads of interest.

First up, College Football News’ Pete Fiutak tries to answer the question: Could the 1980 Georgia Bulldogs play with the top teams of today? Or could any of the best teams of all-time challenge for the national title in today’s game?

Says Fiutak:  “Older fans like to think that the teams they grew up loving and cheering for were special, and in their time, they were. But no, the most talented teams of the past wouldn’t stand a chance in today’s college football world. Yeah, some of the great national champions that were full of NFL talent could be competitive and could get to a bowl, but they’d get destroyed by the big-time programs of today.

“The biggest player on the offensive line of the 1980 national champion Georgia Bulldogs was 6-3 and 260 pounds. Nebraska DT Ndamukong Suh is 6-4, 300 pounds and is as fast as any of the 1980 Georgia safeties. You think a 245-pound linemen could slow him down? Florida’s defensive end tandem of Carlos Dunlap (6-6, 290) and Jermaine Cunningham (6-3, 252) would blow into the backfield on every play and sit on Buck Belue’s curly head. With today’s scouting, training, and advancements in player development, there’s no way any national champion before around 1990 could hang around with the top teams of today.”

DOGS RANK LOW IN THIEVERY

MrSEC.com has updated the SEC defensive thievery stats, which show you not just each team’s total takeaways, but how often — in terms of actual snaps — a defense has forced a turnover from its opponent.

In first place is Alabama, which through six games has played 358 plays on defense and had 13 takeaways, which averages to a takeaway every 27.53 plays. Vandy ranks second, having gotten 14 takeaways in 418 defensive plays, or one every 29.85 plays.

Georgia, as you probably guessed, is in last place in the conference, with five takeaways in 410 defensive plays, or one every 82 plays.

BY THE NUMBERS

Georgiadogs.com’s Dave McMahon has up his latest collection of UGA sports statistics, including an item noting that on Saturday Georgia will try to post win No. 50 all-time against the Commodores.

To date, the Dogs’ all-time most wins against an opponent is 59 over Georgia Tech, followed by 51 over Auburn, 49 over Vanderbilt and Kentucky, 47 over Florida and 46 over South Carolina.

112 comments Add your comment

Mary_M

October 16th, 2009
3:56 pm

Football is so much more sophisticated today, plus bigger, faster players, plus better training and conditioning that the old-time teams could not beat most of the best teams today.

Saint Simons

October 16th, 2009
3:58 pm

45 – 19 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahaha

McDawg

October 16th, 2009
4:02 pm

i watched a replay of the UGA/ND sugar bowl not long ago and that was one of the hardest hitting games i think i have ever seen-perhaps the players are not as athletic but guarantee you the players are as tough if not tougher

ugaaccountant

October 16th, 2009
4:03 pm

Not even close. The raw athleticism, especially size and speed, on display today is vastly superior due to modern training technology.

dap01

October 16th, 2009
4:08 pm

Dooley would be lost now. Belue could not throw. Hershel could dominate still.

Dawgs73

October 16th, 2009
4:10 pm

Bill, are you really bringing the ‘80 DAWGS back into another conversation…doesn’t say a lot about the current state of affairs. Maybe we can harken back to the days that they wore leathers helmets and played with a plastic football.

dap01

October 16th, 2009
4:10 pm

If Saint Simons used his time to make money instead of trolling UGA’s blogs, he could aford to actually attend a game at GA Tech. Goodness knows, the tickets are EASY to get.

poopdawg

October 16th, 2009
4:15 pm

I’m sure the players on that team could go up against anybody regardless of size and speed issues. Today ,just running the ball (even with Herschel) would be hard to go unbeaten. So with a little modern day pass offense coaching, the QB and Receivers would be tallented enough to compete today.

C from Marietta

October 16th, 2009
4:17 pm

Lame blog nuff said.

WTF?

October 16th, 2009
4:20 pm

1980 Dawgs would not make it against todays atheletes, except Walker. Would love to have him now!

DMWC

October 16th, 2009
4:21 pm

Your must-win game was last week, brah.

SimpleDawg

October 16th, 2009
4:22 pm

Of course not Bill, those guys are all about 50 years old.

Tom

October 16th, 2009
4:23 pm

No, for two reasons….

(1) it was pre-Jan Kemp, so many of the key players wouldn’t be able to read today’s complicated playbooks

(2) they’d all be about 50 or older….duh.

Gman

October 16th, 2009
4:23 pm

I’ve often noted that in the 1980 title game, nobody on either ND or UGA weighed over 280 lbs.

Shananeeeeeee Fananeeeeeeeeeee

October 16th, 2009
4:26 pm

Dumb question, no response needed.

Sam

October 16th, 2009
4:28 pm

McDawg, I have watched that replay a few times and the small size and slow speed were amazing. A better question is: how good, big and fast would those players be today with modern training? As fast as Lindsey Scott was, I think he is slower than just about any receiver on UGA’s squad today–however, he might have been faster using today’s training.

RedMan

October 16th, 2009
4:30 pm

There is a gross assumption in there that the same players would not be bigger and stronger due to nutrition and higher level training since middle school. When I played HS football in the mid ’60s, I was 6′2″ and 170 lb. as a DE. We had one set of weights, one kitchen-sized “training room”, and that was a school in the 2nd highest classification in Georgia. We were a .500 team, so that would represent the average, I guess.

Out of Town

October 16th, 2009
4:31 pm

That team could have easily been 6-6.

superDawg

October 16th, 2009
4:34 pm

I think heart and determination can prevail if everyone has the same goal,execution is key in winning games.The great teams of the past all had it and could play with the best today.

Joe T

October 16th, 2009
4:36 pm

You can’t under estimate Erk Russell and what he brought to a team. His defence that year was crazy stought. Players would walk through fire for him and come back around and ask for another turn. You could bring Tebow and the rest of these current players against the ‘80 team and you might be suprised. Football is more that 40 yard dashes and bench presses. Heart has a lot to do with it.

SuperB

October 16th, 2009
4:36 pm

The players of today are bigger and the schemes more sophisticated. But as far as I can tell– people’s brains haven’t grown over the last 30 years. The great skill players like Herschel Walker, Buck Belue, Lindsay Scott, etc. could play the game in ANY era. Other than beefing up some linemen and having Belue call plays at the line of scrimmage– it ain’t all that difficult or different.
I wish those three were playing for the Dawgs this year!

superDawg

October 16th, 2009
4:36 pm

Would you like to get hit by Dick Butkus,ran over by Herschel Walker or Earl Campbell.

CRIMSON TIDE PRIDE FOREVER

October 16th, 2009
4:41 pm

The Legend known as COACH PAUL “BARE” BRYANT could win the the National Title with ANY team and whip all your candy rectums in the SEC, ACC, BIG 10, PAC 10, BIG 12 and anybody else.

No college football team in the past, present or future will ever be better than a COACH BRYANT team.

Go hate on that all you haters and wannabes.

ROLL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TIDE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SuperB

October 16th, 2009
4:41 pm

To Tom and the other Tekkies: The one thing the 1980 Georgia team could have done was beat the hell out of the 1990 Tech team that won a title by playing in the Florida Citrus bowl– or some game (other than the Orange Bowl,) held in Florida.

Ford Truck Salesman, NOT a Coach

October 16th, 2009
4:43 pm

Coach Mark Richt wear his wife’s panties on the sideline…

..and soils them.

NewnanDawg

October 16th, 2009
4:47 pm

Uhhhh, wasn’t Belue 1 for 13 in the NC game? No matter how good your tailback is, you can’t do that today. Just like he couldn’t have a NC ring without Herschel, he can’t hadle a radio show without Kincade. When Buck’s on his own, he’s painful to listen to, just like his passes back in the day.

Go 2009 Dawgs!

NewnanDawg

October 16th, 2009
4:48 pm

handle, sorry

RedMan

October 16th, 2009
4:48 pm

I think most have heard of Billy Cannon due to the famous punt return in LSU’s 7-0 win against Ole Miss. Cannon won the Heisman in 1959. He was 6′1″, 216, and he was the #1 pick of the NFL and the new AFL.

In 1962 Bob Hayes of Fla. A&M set the NCAA 100 yard dash record at 9.2 seconds. For comparison, Hayes won the Gold in the ‘64 Olympics in the 100 Meters at 10.0. Later played for Dallas Cowboys.

Billy Cannon was timed in the 100 yard dash in 9.4, and threw the shotput.

Just imagine how those two guys, especially Cannon would have “trained up” circa 2009.

Mark Richt's GEORGIA SATURDAYS

October 16th, 2009
4:49 pm

GEORGIA SATURDAYS: Getting Urinated on by LSU Fans

GEORGIA SATURDAYS: Whining About Not Being Ranked Higher in the Polls

GEORGIA SATURDAYS: Waking Up with Wet Sheets the Morning of a Game Against COACH SABAN

GEORGIA SATURDAYS: Getting Outsmarted by Georgia Tech Nerds

GEORGIA SATURDAYS: Being Laughed at by Vanderbilt Mothers

GEORGIA SATURDAYS: Using Your UGA Diploma as a BBQ Bib

GEORGIA SATURDAYS: Whizzing in a Cup for the Trainer

KJ

October 16th, 2009
4:51 pm

Bare? Really?

playthatfunkymusic whiteboy

October 16th, 2009
4:51 pm

From an ND alum. Nice “One completion” Belue wouldn’t make the backup squad on a D-II school’s team now, much less compete in the “game”.

I mean, what modern era team has won the National Championship game with just a single pass completed?

Walker was a beast. I ran into him at the airport in Dallas a few months back, he looked like he could still play – although I didn’t approach him for fear that it might be “other Herschel” and he wouldn’t know what I was talking about.

woodie

October 16th, 2009
4:58 pm

The idea here in a competitive sport is how you perform against an opponent and not some technical issue about size and speed. The 80’s team was a winning team. That’s the only criteria that matters.

DUDE34

October 16th, 2009
5:02 pm

Crimson tide pride,you are about the biggest back yard trailer trash I have ever heard,good gosh what a loser, you know how dumb you sound don’t you? your coach was an alcohalic,and he paid players on a reagular monthley note.DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wake up

RedMan

October 16th, 2009
5:06 pm

Herschel Walker was freakishly good; no details necessary. Probably the greatest of all time, also freakishly good was Jim Brown. At Syracuse, Brown was All-America in both football and lacrosse and a letterman in basketball. 6′2, 232. He was NFL MVP in ‘57, ‘58′ 63′ and ‘65. In the day, the NFL had 12-game seasons. Brown played 9 years for Cleveland, won 8 rushing titles, and gained 12,312 yards. How good would the Cleveland Browns has been if Ernie Davis (The Express) hadn’t died before his rookie year in ‘62?

war jacket

October 16th, 2009
5:09 pm

Heck, Georgia could not have even beat the best team that played in 1980. The 1980 Pittsburgh team had 23 players that went on to start in the NFL. How many were on the Georgia team? Pittsburgh proved they were better the next year when they beat Georgia straight up.

Georgia beat a mediocre Notre Dame team in 1980 that even lowly Georgia Tech tied that year.

To hell with Georgia and you pukes get ready to play in the Shreveport bowl for the next few years.

guy

October 16th, 2009
5:15 pm

remember that time you guys had hershall walker and were nationally relevant? those were good times…

Hello, St. Simons

October 16th, 2009
5:21 pm

“St. Simons”…do you ever hang out over on your own team’s blog…or do they not want you around there, either? Speaking of your Tech team, do you recall these numbers? (((31-17))), (((15-12))), (((14-7))), (((19-13))), (((34-17))), (((51-7))), (((31-17)))…Are you still laughing???

Slide Rule

October 16th, 2009
5:28 pm

That 1980 Tech team one 1 game and tied Notre Dame 3-3. Wow, UoG won the NC against them. Hurray. Somebody had to do it.

Daisy Mae

October 16th, 2009
5:31 pm

With coaches like we have now, we will never even win another SEC. We need to focus on the present and that means cleaning house at UGA. The Head Circu Clown needs to be fired. Ater Vandy kicks us tomorrow at noon you will all agree with me. After about 4 pm tomorrow everyone will see just how far this program has fallen.

RedMan

October 16th, 2009
5:33 pm

This blog is just off-topic rock throwers. I’m gone….

Hey Dogtards

October 16th, 2009
5:40 pm

The only Tech number I remember is 5-1 and 45-42. Just like I’ll forget the score of last years game once this year’s is played. You mutts keep clinging to the past though, it will get your mind off Smokie butt-raping your precious little uga.

jerry

October 16th, 2009
5:41 pm

Hell, they couldn’t even do it again in 1980. That was a one time FLUKE! And the most boring NC game ever played. I mean 1-14 passing. More punts by UGA than 1st downs. Out gained by almost 2-1. Against a team that tied Georgia Tech, who went 1-9-1 and even lost to Navy. Damn.

How to win 1/2 of a National Championship.

October 16th, 2009
5:43 pm

Play #17 Nabraska in the Citrus Bowl. I wonder if the insects from 1990 would win the MAC in 2009. Doubtful.

Is Tech the only team in the modern era to claim 1/2 (or 100%) of a national championship without playing in a major bowl game? The Citrus Bowl was barely a mid-tier bowl until the SEC signed on.

Crimson-Headed Monster

October 16th, 2009
5:43 pm

Coach Bryant was a nudist?

I didn’t know that.

Top Dawg

October 16th, 2009
5:45 pm

Is this a recycle of the collegefootballnews.com article?

BYU pulled the equivalent

October 16th, 2009
5:47 pm

Beat a 6-5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl in 1984.
WAC vs. ACC = a draw

dean

October 16th, 2009
5:59 pm

Having dinner with a Nebraska fan-couple tonight. Me, of course, a Dawg. The wife doesn’t give a ratsazz. For the last several years I have had to say, “Gee Mike, sorry about y’all sucking again this year.” Alas, tonight they get to have their fun.

shortcircuit

October 16th, 2009
6:04 pm

WHO THE HELL CARES!!!!!!

jim Davis

October 16th, 2009
6:41 pm

1980’s vs modern in football (college or pro’s) same as comparison in any sport…modern teams take the 80s teams apart like Federer takes apart Borg and Woods takes apart Palmer, etc. Watch any 80s sports film and notice how slow everything is…speed is half again higher, size, power, etc. Bear wouldn’t make the slightest difference in spite of his deity according to our redneck tide fans…and oh BTW, Walker would be sitting on the bench behind Bo Jackson on any team in history. Sorry.

arrh

October 16th, 2009
6:43 pm

Another point…I wouldn’t doubt it if people these days are using steroids, to be as big & strong as they are today. I;m sure people back then didn’t use them as much, but this is a different age. Just look how many people have been busted even in sports such as baseball. I’m sure at least some of thes players must be taking them to be as strong as they are. I know some people are naturally strong, but it’s just hard for me to believe that there can be that many players that strong, & at such a young age. I guess I could be wrong, but I doubt it. I’m just saying….that if my theory is right…then that’s just one more unfair advantage that todays players would have, & it could at least partly explain why todays players are so much bigger & stronger.