P.M. Roundup: Richt’s family style vs. Kiffin’s stunts … and more
David Hale of the Macon and Columbus papers’ Bulldogs Blog contrasts the stunts and boorish behavior that Tennessee’s Lane Kiffin apparently thinks are needed to attract top recruits with the family atmosphere that permeates Mark Richt’s program at UGA and which is cited by incoming freshman as what prompted them to sign with the Dogs. Definitely worth reading. …
ESPN.com looks at how Georgia is flying under the national radar this season with low expectations from outside observers. It’s put a bit of a chip on the Dogs’ shoulders, as junior defensive end Demarcus Dobbs makes clear. “We’ve got a lot to prove, not only to the media and the fans, but to ourselves,” Dobbs said. “Nobody around here is satisfied by what happened last year.” …
Bleacher Report offers an argument that Knowshon Moreno and Matthew Stafford will not find a place as legends in UGA lore because in leaving school early they “failed to bring to college football fans here in Georgia what they desire most.” What do you think, did they do enough to merit a place in the Dog pantheon or were they just transients stopping by on their way to the NFL?
The Athletic Association reports that for the sixth consecutive year, UGA led the SEC in “The Gender Equity Scorecard VI.” The survey ranked UGA Athletics 19th among the nation’s 115 Division I-A programs. Georgia received a “B” overall grade and ranked seventh among BCS conference schools. North Texas led the survey and was the only I-A school to receive an “A+” grade. Penn State, which earned an “A” grade, was the top BCS program on the ledger. Coincidentally, a Penn State professor did the survey, which scores, grades and ranks athletic programs based on criteria of participation, scholarship, operating expenses, recruiting budget and coaches’ salaries. Complete results from the scorecard can be viewed here.
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Cuz
June 12th, 2009
4:29 pm
The heck with a chip on their shoulder, make it a two by four. Get mad, get riled. GATA!!!!
Cuz
June 12th, 2009
4:33 pm
I was getting worried that we would not get a daily Lane Kiffin story.
Ryno
June 12th, 2009
4:45 pm
There’s room for Richt and Kiffin in the SEC. Each will find their share of recruits. One is already successful, and the other is trying everything to be. One’s family style is the Waltons, the other the Addams. Both can work.
Cuz
June 12th, 2009
4:53 pm
One Adams family in the SEC is enough.
Kiffin IMHO is just trying to get some interest in Vol football and it appears to be working. Yeah he might get pounded for a few of his comments, but people are noticing what is happening on Rocky Top.
Gator Growl
June 12th, 2009
4:53 pm
Lane who??? LOL
mitch
June 12th, 2009
4:56 pm
Ryno–both approaches might work, but are they both moral. Remember, Richt is very religious and very good. He believes in God and stuff like that. He prays all the time. Except when he’s dreaming up end zone stunts like the illegal one he pulled against Florida.
gatorman770
June 12th, 2009
5:08 pm
Moreno and Stafford will be treated just like Rex Grossman at Florida…outstanding players while they were on the team, but not legends like Buck B at UGA (or Greene) or like Danny W at UF, i.e. players who stuck it out 4 years to graduate and help the team instead jumping to the NFL for the big bucks!
Do you really think a Political Science professor at Penn State could do a objective survey? That’s like PETA (and that’s not “people eating tasty animals”)doing an objective survey on the benefits of hunting and fishing on our natural resources!
Gen Neyland
June 12th, 2009
5:08 pm
About time somebody did a blog piece with Kiffin in it…
Old Dawg
June 12th, 2009
5:11 pm
I’m old school myself. The only thing that masters are results on the field. Can the games begin soon enough?
Old Dawg
June 12th, 2009
5:11 pm
sorry, typo: the only thing that matters are results on the field!
athensdawg
June 12th, 2009
5:22 pm
my thoughts….
1. once again, lane kiffin has someone talking about his program. that, in the end, is good for ut.
2 and 3. gatorman – I agree with you to the letter.
Both schools have had 4 year players go on to great NFL careers….Wilber Marshall, Fred Taylor, etc for the gators Rodney Hampton, Hines Ward, and Guy McIntyre for UGA (along with others from both schools.)
That’s yet another reason why we hate Tebow so much…he is UF’s Herschel Walker. But even Herschel took the money and ran….all we can do is play “what if…”
i’m surprised we have gone this long without a “45-42″ post.
joe
June 12th, 2009
5:41 pm
The big difference between Kiffin and Richt at this point is, Richt has steady tenure under his belt and he doesn’t need to promote his program to the masses like Kiffin does. Kiffen is doing the right thing for UT because under the last 5 years under Fulmer, UT slipped overall and was getting ready to bring in a recruiting class in 2009 ranked somewhere around 30. Fulmer gets canned, Kiffin arrives and starts shooting off at the mouth…resulting in a 10th ranked class. So, an improvement no doubt. UT will take their lumps this year mainly cause they don’t have a QB worth a damn (unless the former Red Sox walk on guy turns out to be good) and will do good to get to a lower bowl game…but, if and when they land another Manning-eque QB, teamed with all their good recruits, we can officially say they’ve turned the corner on their way back to competing with everyone in the SEC.
Hunk Erdown
June 12th, 2009
5:43 pm
Herschel left early, but after a National Championship. Stafford and Moreno won’t be looked at with any great affection because they were not part of anything that will be greatly memorialized. I certainly don’t blame them for leaving, but I sure wish they had been able to bring home at least an SEC championship.
Dorsey Hill
June 12th, 2009
6:24 pm
Being a proud graduate of the flagship University in the State of Georgia, I take great offense to those “fans” who only care about wins and losses. These players and coaches represent the alumni, the student body, the faculty and in large measure reflect, for better or worse, the values of the people of the State of Georgia. The University of Georgia is bigger than football. It means more than any winning percentage or Championship trophy. The football team does not have to win a National Championship for me to be proud of them in any given year. For if that were the standard I would be disappointed and lack pride in my school and my team in most years no matter who my school was.
I am proud of the football team at the University when they play hard, play smart, play with passion and otherwise represent the University with class and dignity on and off the field. If the by-product of all that is wins then that is great. If we have to compromise our values to win then I say, “no thank you.” I’d rather be like Vandy than a team like Switzer had a OK in the mid-80’s. If you would have wanted a team that comported itself like Miami did in the late-80’s because “winning is everything” then please just find a different team to pull for. If you wanted a Coach like Spurrier who mouths off about his opponents just because he wins, then please find another team. If you think only a Bob Knight-jerk type can win and we should tolerate “g-d this and g-d that” at press conferences because its all about winnning, then I am sorry but you need to go away.
Bottom-line fans should watch a bottom-line league. Hint: they play on Sundays. Find a team and pull for them. Saturdays are about bigger things then just what shows up on the scoreboard. I loved my Dawgs before the kickoff of the Tech game and loved ‘em every bit as much afterwards. Sure I was disappointed, but the tribute to both Larry and Vince that day were great 10 years from now, I’ll remember that a lot more than the loss and the missed tackes and questionable defensive stratagies. It was a great day to be Dawg fan. Afterall, they all are aren’t they?
MiltonDawg
June 12th, 2009
6:28 pm
Moreno will be remembered more than Stafford. Moreno made some great plays and had that swagger going from him. He should be great in Denver. Stafford had some great plays but i agree that he could’ve at least led us to a SEC championship. Kiffin is the laughing stock of the SEC…i think recruits won’t take him seriously or they’ve already been denied or kicked out of other programs.
Nuggs
June 12th, 2009
7:31 pm
Hey Bill how far did you get into that blog attempting to belittle UF for their 24 arrest in 5 years before you realized UGA has had 30 in that same time?
Lord knows that’s the only thing from stopping you from penning another jealousy filled piece to take pot shots at the Gators since your team can’t beat them on the field.
Hunk Erdown
June 12th, 2009
8:14 pm
Dorsey
Now that I have been able to dry out my hankerchief after reading your post, I’ll try to answer it.
All I’m saying is that if you ask a Dawg fan who the featured running back was in 1980, most would be able to answer accurately, immediately. On the other hand, if you asked them who the featured running back was in 1985, they might have to think about it for a while.
Twenty five years from now, there will have been nothing about the last 3 years that would make most fans remember what years Stafford and Moreno played. It doesn’t necessarily have to be wins and losses. What I will remember the most about Moreno was the announcers proclaiming that UGA would not be able to win the game against LSU if they just kept handing off to Moreno, burning the clock. He had no more gotten that statement out of his mouth and they handed off to Moreno for a long TD run. Twnenty-five years from now I doubt that I will remember much about Moreno or Stafford.
staff fan now
June 12th, 2009
8:34 pm
With the $$$ to get these non college grads to play pro ball, you just have to believe that some guys made a business decision…that might not be what they intended to happen a few years prior…when the were first drafted by the dogs.
Pitbull
June 12th, 2009
9:11 pm
Over the past three years UGA won 30 football games, and that includes Stafford’s freshman season where he was thrown into the fire when Joe T. got injured.
We also won all three of our bowls during that time. I think that is plenty to be proud of
Mr. Perspecitve
June 12th, 2009
9:55 pm
Correct, Knowshon and Matthew will not be considered UGA legends…they were just passing (no pun) through, especially Matthew….he basically said so. No disrespect to either. Herschel left early too, BUT…consider what he did for the program!
fact checker
June 12th, 2009
10:28 pm
I know I’ll remember D.J. more than Stafford. He stuck around for his turn and then made the most of it. It kills me he didn’t get his chance in Jacksonville. In my mind, D.J. is an all-time great for his selflessness. A true Georgia Bulldog.
SamoanDawg
June 12th, 2009
10:56 pm
I hope Joe Cox have a successful year like DJ did. That would be really awesome!
Gen Neyland
June 12th, 2009
11:01 pm
MiltonDawg : As a Vol, I’ll remember Moreno more than Stafford too, especially when CMR pulled a dazed Moreno to his feet after Eric Berry laid into him…But all in all, I think both Stafford and Moreno both did a hellava job in 2008 with the makeshift OL manuvers…
Most Cool Kid (aka MCK)
June 13th, 2009
12:10 am
What is a stafford no gone?
FL DAWG
June 13th, 2009
1:07 am
Everyone keeps ripping UT. Word of caution, Monte will have a very tough D at UT. I don’t see anyone blowing them out. While I think the UT offense will not be great, UTs D will keep them in games. Just a word of caution. Go Dawgs!!!
Volman
June 13th, 2009
2:33 am
Wah wah wah…blah blah blah. Lane Kiffin this, Lane Kiffin that. You all have to put Lane Kiffin’s name around this newspaper everyday to get interest. Give me a break.
Mark Richt is the new Philip Fulmer.
CoolBreeze
June 13th, 2009
7:37 am
Dorsey, you got it right. I’m a Tech fan, but I couldn’t have said it better myself. Wish more people could see the difference between Saturday football and the NFL.
Me
June 13th, 2009
8:49 am
yawn!
Jim
June 13th, 2009
8:57 am
To Mitch: The endzone celebration was blown out of proportion in regards to what CMR told his team to do he meant for the Offense on the field to get fired up not the entire team off the bench.
- My opinion about CMR and Kiffin Jr. is they are both 2 different people with different personalities. Whatever works right?
- FL DAWG has a great point, everyone is talking smack about how bad the Vols are going to be the offense maybe under par but he defense will be the factor that keeps them in games.
..83 days left, kick-off time cannot come soon enough GO DAWGS!!!
allenlaw
June 13th, 2009
9:42 am
Mark this down– if either Stafford or Moreno ends up a big NFL star, they will be remembered as “Bulldog Legends” and we will brag forever about them. If they flop in the NFL, then they will fall off the radar and be remembered as good players we enjoyed, but not as legends.
Mikey
June 13th, 2009
9:51 am
Agree about Shock- he paid his dues and bleeds red and black.
Staff bleeds green but any darn one of us would love to have his contract !
AltamahaDawg
June 13th, 2009
10:19 am
Not sure breaking a rule in a game of ball is really to the level of “illegal”, certainly not against the laws of God as you suggest. Twerp.
AltamahaDawg
June 13th, 2009
10:32 am
Not sure what the definition of “dues” would be as it relates to Georgia football if Stafford paid any less.
Cuz
June 13th, 2009
10:43 am
Since I am getting older and my memory is a little hazy maybe one of you can help me on this question. What year did Bulldawg legend Hines Ward and the team win their SEC Championship?
WildBill
June 13th, 2009
11:09 am
Dorsey, I have to agree with your comments. Still, losses to Florida and Tech in the same year leave me with a pain in the gut that just won’t go away.
Bow Wow
June 13th, 2009
11:28 am
Richt’s family style includes the highest arrest rate in the country and unsportsmanlike conduct that would get most coaches fired. Richt is the “Ike Clanton” of college football while Kiffin is just a buffoon.
RxDawg
June 13th, 2009
12:00 pm
allenlaw is absolutely right. But why not? We didn’t have any championships of any kind during their era, but we should of. Don’t forget we ended up #2 in the nation in 2007. We should of played for the national championship that year too, PERIOD. The media coned us out of it by basicly talking the voters out of it. On paper they didn’t win us any championships, but the past 3 years have been pretty good for Dawg football.
Fools Gold
June 13th, 2009
12:24 pm
Willie is a bald headed galoot and its going to be another year again till some of you mutt fans realize that his defense just plain suxs. I bet ole rocky top will surprise the mutts this year. Those dawgs need to forget mat drills and the the weight room and bulk up. Just think a freshman ladden team scored 45 points in big ole Sanford Stadium. I bet ole Erk Russel is still tossing in his grave.
Trendy Dawg
June 13th, 2009
12:27 pm
I like Willies bald head!
Apologists are weak
June 13th, 2009
12:54 pm
Dorsey,
You are a weak apologist. It sounds like you know you’re making excuses for the fact that you can’t beat the gators, you’re scared now that Tech has a real coach and will actually be competitive, you’re scared of Lane Kiffin even if he is a big joke. Why else does the AJC rip UT and Kiffin so much. The guy is admittedly an idiot but can the guy get any less print space.
Apologists are weak
June 13th, 2009
1:07 pm
Dorsey,
I re read your article. What a freaking joke you are. You’re proud your team isn’t like Miami of the 80s? Didn’t the dawgs have something like 15 players arrested in 1 year last year. Sounds like you’re giving those Miami teams quite a run for their money.
What was that about you would rather have CMR than a loud mouth like Spurrier. The saintly Mark Richt? The same guy who had his whole team run onto the field to celebrate against Florida. The same coach whose team then committed something like 4 or 5 more unsportsmanlike penalties the rest of the first half against the gators. That saintly coach? Is this the same team doing the sideline dancing taunting Auburn 2 years in a row with Knowshon cranking his soulja boy dance? Reminds me a helluva lot of Miami. The only difference is Miami backed up their soulja boy type dancing by whooping their biggest rivals azzes like FSU year in year and year out while the dawgs whimper like whupped mutts against the big boys like the Bammers and Florida 16 out of 19 times. What freaking hypocrisy and what a joke of a guy you are!
Cuz
June 13th, 2009
1:25 pm
Apologist, your village called. They miss you.
PT Merce
June 13th, 2009
1:37 pm
You know Bill you are hard up for topics if you have to bless the local madonna(MR) to sell newspapers. Between you and Tony you do not miss a many columns without a Bulldog Blessing. Rx Dog mentioned being #2. Gosh you were #1 this time last year.
DawgGirl32
June 13th, 2009
2:08 pm
Wow Dorsey. You really got to poor ol’ “apologists are weak.” I don’t know if he’ll ever recover from your post.
I have to agree with allenlaw about Stafford and Knowshon. If they are successful in the NFL you can bet that they’ll be remember as legends. I’ll probably remember them more than most other players simply because I was a student when they played.
G. Costanza
June 13th, 2009
3:37 pm
Cuz, the Jerk Store called. They’re running out of you.
(your turn)
JimC
June 13th, 2009
4:05 pm
Bill, you left yourself wide open with the statement “the family atmosphere that permeates Mark Richt’s program at UGA.” Since when does having a high percentage of UGA players arrested and most of the players taking fluff courses and never graduating constitute a “family atmosphere”?
What a joke.
Cuz
June 13th, 2009
4:24 pm
George, guess I’ll have to work them into my schedule.
Sure there were more penalties called against the Dawgs in the first half. That endzone celebration got under the refs skin. Apparently it bothered the Urban Legend also cause he made up for it in 2008. Gotta admire his putting a picture of that celebration on his players lockers before the game. As if they needed more motivation. Say what you will of Urban, he is a great coach and a great motivator.
I don’t think that any “true fan” is scared of any opposing team. I can’t wait to play Florida again. I relish playing tougher teams. I am not a big fan of playing games against Northeastern Utah State or other like schools. I bet Gator fans are not happy with the minor league teams they play with the money they spend on tickets either. I am glad that Coach PJ’s has put together a good team at Tech. It will make us play better. And I still love the blackout games. I bet Arizona State will still play a Goldout, or whatever they call it, after we won out there last year. But if we have a blackout, make it a night game or late in the year.
What championship team did Garrison Hearst, UGA legend play on?
Saint Simons
June 13th, 2009
4:38 pm
Somebody please help me.
I went to Georgia Tech and got my head stuck up my arse.
It smells like chili dogs in here.
DawginLex
June 13th, 2009
4:44 pm
Gold fool,’
You need to stay off the UGA blogs,idiot. My guess is you never played a down of organized football in your life, have never lifted weights and have never been with a woman. You spend all of your life trolling the UGA blogs because you want to be a DAWG but were never smart enough or good enough at anything in life to get in to UGA.
Save yourself further embarrassment and go to the nerd blogs and stay there.
To DawginLex:
June 13th, 2009
7:15 pm
If somebody wanted to be a UGA fan, they would. Not that hard. Just go to Walmart and buy a cheap 5 dollar shirt with a big G on it. And if they’re not smart enough or good enough (<-wtf?) to get into UGA, then they’re definitely not smart enough for Tech.
As for Moreno, I’m sure everybody of this time will remember his awesome leap over the Michigan St defender (am I correct?). Even as a Tech student, and a longtime Broncos fan, I’m ready for Moreno to make a difference at Denver.